From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #48 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 48 Wednesday March 12 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Knitting Factory advance sales Re: HEY! We've been dissed! Re: the Dylan reproduction gig Two Feg Bands for Free!!, Best Song on Moss Elixir Lost Highway Harps, Harmonicas, and Horoscopes (NRC) Re: Two Feg Bands for Free!!, Best Song on Moss Elixir Just The Horoscope Facts, Ma'am (NRC) Re: Two Feg Bands for Free!!, Best Song on Moss Elixir The Moss Elixir Debate phase two peel slowly and see Re: peel slowly and see Re: Two Feg Bands for Free!!, Best Song on Moss Elixir Velvets, Trib, and ME Favorites, all in a row Come see Cone #34 horrorscopes once more... mindless prattling Finally, Sensible Politicians! It's a Miracle! Re: Finally, Sensible Politicians! It's a Miracle! How to get one's head out from underneath a bucket of cement. Re: The Moss Elixir Debate phase two Question about the past ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 00:39:16 -0800 From: txc@echonyc.com (Tom X. Chao) Subject: Knitting Factory advance sales I bought my ticket for the Wednesday night show last Saturday. There were still hundreds of seats remaining. I believe I bought the 43rd ticket. According to the box office person it would be likely that tickets would remain available up through show time on Saturday. I may try to attend one or both gigs that night. Occasionally if there is room they let people from the early set stay on for the second gig. I didn't see the NY Press denigration of Robyn fans, although I've got a copy sitting on the floor here somewhere. I'm still pissed off about Christgau slamming us Costello fans in the Mar 11 Voice, saying that the Jazz Passengers disc was "over the head of the average Costello completist." I think not. Come on Fegs, let's fill up the Knitting Factory for Robyn! Fly in from other cities like Costello geeks flying in for the Jazz Passengers and Deborah Harry with Elvis show! TXC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 01:15:27 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: HEY! We've been dissed! On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Outdoor Miner wrote: > At 10:04 AM 3/10/97 -0400, lj lindhurst wrote: > >In last week's NY Press, they wrote some very uncomplimentary things about > >Robyn's FANS, calling us "creepy", among other things. I don't have it in Oh boy! First I read this about how I'm one of the "creepy" (hey wait, did someone mention soiled trousers? I'M KIDDING, FOLKS :)). Then I find out that being a fan of Elvis Costello, the Jazz Passengers are "over my head" . Uh, how's that? I've been a jazz DJ for around 4 years now and I probably know more about it than Robert "I go around saying Self-Portrait is a great album because I like to pick fights with people for the hell of it" Christgau. It's a bizarre thing to say, anyway, even for him. This on top of finding out that my most recent ex is now seeing a performance artist (if you knew him you'd know how strange this is), being royally flamed by someone on a newsgroup who was angry because she wanted to be the only Susan there, and finding a copy of Dr. Seymour Papert's "Mindstorms" in the trash (he did the primary research for it at my elementary school- remember Logo, anyone?) just about tops off the truly odd week this is turning into (and it's only MONDAY). Sheesh. What next? :) Goodnight I say! Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:39:27 -0500 (EST) From: Richard Plumb Subject: Re: the Dylan reproduction gig I'm pretty sure that Robyn's version of this show is out of order in the acoustic section, at least compared to the most recent versions of this show which have come out. His version does match what had been circulating for about 30 years. Apparently Sony was going to release the album legitimately, but for some reason didn't. Of course as these things happen an absolutely gorgeous version of the show escaped. I'd be more than willing to run a tree if there's enough interest. rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:01:51 -0500 From: mlang@inch.com (Matrix) Subject: Two Feg Bands for Free!!, Best Song on Moss Elixir Fellow Feg Paula Carino's band Regular Einstein and my band, the Favorite Color will be playing a FREE show together at the newly crowned Hotel Galvez on April 4th. New York fegs should all come, eh? Just wanted to get back to Moss Elixir for a second. One of my problems with it is that I don't really have a favorite song. I guess if I had to choose one it is You and Oblivion, but I am not quite sure. What do the rest of you think? steve Upcoming Performances: _____________________________________________________________ Saturday March 15 at Midnight at CBGB'S GALLERY (Bleecker & Bowery) _____________________________________________________________ Friday April 4th at 11:00 PM Hotel Galvez (Ave B between 6th & 7th) ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ THE FAVORITE COLOR "Delicate, exuberant rock swirling with fantasy and a current of psychedelia. Their new "Color Out of Space" is laced with teeth-grinding irony, but that never diminishes the sweet daffodil buzz." ---Natasha Stovall ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: hollie_satterfield@mail.amsinc.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 14:16:16 EST Subject: Lost Highway Tom Clark exclaimed: >p.s. Saw the new David Lynch movie "Lost Highway" yesterday. Now, >I'm a pretty intuitive guy and I usually "get" his stuff, but what >the f*** was going on here? You're not alone, Robert Blake said he really enjoyed making the film, but "I read the script like nine f***in' times and I didn't understand one f***in' word of it." I would say that the film is like a Moebius strip about a guy who cannot escape from what he has done. But I loved it, whatever it was. "I've never liked videos." - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:18:16 -0600 (CST) From: David Witzany Subject: Harps, Harmonicas, and Horoscopes (NRC) I haven't posted in ages, so I thought I'd jump intoa couple of recent discussions. First, the harmonica got a mention recently, when it was noted that it can sound like another reed instrument, the saxophone. The difference is that the harmonica is a free reed instrument, meaning that the reed itself is completely responsiblefor the pitch you hear--to play a different pitch, you switch to a different reed. In harmonica circles, a harp played through a microphone, and heard through an amp which is driven to distortion, is sometimes called a Mississippi saxophone. Now, about this astrology business. I've seen folks posting about sun signs and Geminis and what-not, and I thought I'd ask a question that I've never gotten a satisfactory answer to: Are horiscopes based on what constellation the sun was in on the day you're born? If so, the system's gotten out of whack since it got started thousands of years ago. Due to the Earth's precession in the last four thousand years, we actually see it come up in different constellations now than we used to. I fired up an astronomy program I've had for years, and had it show me the sky around the sun every morning from mid-May through the end of June. On May 15, it's half-way between Aries and Taurus; by the 20th, the Sun is clearly in Taurus. It doesn't get to Gemini, then, until around June 20. What is there about the sky that warrants calling people born from the end of May until the end of June Geminis? Curious in Champaign, Dave. David Witzany (witzany@uiuc.edu) ...one of Nature's bounds checkers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:34:34 -0500 From: mr bean jeans Subject: Re: Two Feg Bands for Free!!, Best Song on Moss Elixir also sprach mlang@inch.com (Matrix): >Just wanted to get back to Moss Elixir for a second. One of my problems >with it is that I don't really have a favorite song. I guess if I had to >choose one it is You and Oblivion, but I am not quite sure. What do the >rest of you think? while driving home after saturday night's gig, similar thoughts were on my mind lately as well, though, in my case, i was trying to wrestle with which one of three songs was my favorite. "heliotrope" was an early front-runner, but i've really become fond of "you & oblivion" and "sinister but she was happy" over time. the former, in particular, has really grown on me as a result of its repeated appearance in live sets. the juxtaposition of a gorgeousness tune and menacing lyrics are really effective. although an older tune, "the speed of things" is also extremely wonderful. woj n.p. all things considered ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:37:21 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Just The Horoscope Facts, Ma'am (NRC) On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, David Witzany wrote: > Now, about this astrology business. I've seen folks posting about sun signs > and Geminis That would be me, mostly, although K has been known to say a few words on the subject in the past. She's a Cap and I'm a quadruple Gemini, so naturally I say a bit more :) :). > and what-not, and I thought I'd ask a question that I've never > gotten a satisfactory answer to: Are horiscopes based on what constellation > the sun was in on the day you're born? If so, the system's gotten out of > whack since it got started thousands of years ago. Due to the Earth's > precession in the last four thousand years, we actually see it come up in > different constellations now than we used to. I fired up an astronomy You might well ask :). There are many varieties of astrology. The two most commonly used here in the West are tropical (the one that people have been talking about here, and by far the more common of the two) and sidereal. The sidereal variety takes into account the changes you have mentioned. The tropical does not. It remains basically the same (which is why some refer to it as "fixed astrology") and is primarily, ahem, a mystic trip- it's mainly symbolic in nature. Both systems use the same twelve signs, though, and the same rules (e.g., conjunctions, stelliums, trines, mean the same thing in both systems) the argument is over where exactly things -are-, and it can get rather complex, since it's not just the Sun you're dealing with with a given birthchart, it's all of the planets and their relationships to each other at that given moment you're dealing with (each planet and the moon are in one of the signs as well as the sun, and each is in a "house"). Astrologers argue long and hard about which is the "true" one, but I use the tropical one mainly for convenience- it's just a hell of a lot easier to use in my view, and good astrology (no, that's not an oxymoron :)) is primarily about intuition and interpretation, anyway. In my opinion it is like Runes, I Ching, or any other divination method you care to use- the trappings are not nearly as important as whether or not one is able to use it to tap into one's subconscious effectively, and the tropical system suits me fine for that purpose. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:05:35 -0800 (PST) From: "Infinity's Ragged Shore" Subject: Re: Two Feg Bands for Free!!, Best Song on Moss Elixir On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, mr bean jeans wrote: > >Just wanted to get back to Moss Elixir for a second. One of my problems > >with it is that I don't really have a favorite song. > > while driving home after saturday night's gig, similar thoughts were on my > mind lately as well, though, in my case, i was trying to wrestle with which > one of three songs was my favorite. after some time with this i find this an amazingly deceptive album. it presents things and conceals others as time goes by. perhaps that is why the album is rather refreshing after a bit of time on the shelf. dare i say that it is one of his better productions. end comment script, .chris ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:59:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: The Moss Elixir Debate phase two On the topic of Moss Elixir... Chris wrote: << after some time with this i find this an amazingly deceptive album. it presents things and conceals others as time goes by. perhaps that is why the album is rather refreshing after a bit of time on the shelf. dare i say that it is one of his better productions.>> I tend to agree here. Over time, I have found that ME continues to deliver subtle nuances that intrigue me. On the other hand, I warmed to ME upon FIRST listen and found "favorites" right off the bat. Where the album grew and expanded in its scope, for me anyway, was as I was starting to wane on one "favorite" track, another I hadn't heard the magic of before would unfold. In short, I've found that ME has an amazing shelf life, and I concur with Mr. Chris in suggesting "it is one of his better productions." Over the years, if I may be so bold, I predict that Moss Elixir will rank high on all of our lists. Then again, I think Queen Elvis is a beaut while the majority of you seem to think it is dross, so what do I know? ;) Just for fun, here is Jay's personal ME "favorites" run down: First Listen: Sinister But She Was Happy (I agree with woj in the pretty melody vs. evil lyrics observation) The Devil's Radio Beautiful Queen Mid Period: Sinister But She Was Happy Filthy Bird This Is How It Feels Currently: Filthy Bird Heliotrope The Speed Of Things You And Oblivion I guess that Sinister and Filty Bird stand as the overall "favorites," and I'm quite comfortable with that. Our beloved Susan, will agree with 50% of this equation, but then again she thinks Eye is a beaut, so what does she know? :0 !!! Blinking On And Off, Jay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:42:37 -0500 From: mr bean jeans Subject: peel slowly and see fegs, considering some of the recent velvet underground discussion, it's worth pointing out that the five disc box set, _peel slowly and see_, is on sale from the bmg music club for $20.39 -- even cheaper than the last box set sale, when i picked up the same for $30. i think this offer is only available to existing members, but i'm not sure.... oh, this reminds me that i still haven't followed up with bmg about their mysterious single listing of _moss elixir/mossy liquor_... +w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:36:18 -0700 From: rgodfrey@swlink.net (Ryan Godfrey) Subject: Re: peel slowly and see >oh, this reminds me that i still haven't followed up with bmg about their >mysterious single listing of _moss elixir/mossy liquor_... > >+w I ordered it on the off chance... Got me 'nother copy of ME, this one without that pesky UPC code. --Ryan ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Two Feg Bands for Free!!, Best Song on Moss Elixir Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:31:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Daniel Saunders" > Just wanted to get back to Moss Elixir for a second. One of my problems > with it is that I don't really have a favorite song. I guess if I had to > choose one it is You and Oblivion, but I am not quite sure. What do the > rest of you think? Definitely a Happy Bird is a Filthy Bird. Absolutely chilling acoustic and voice work, and one of Robyn Hitchcock's few directly political songs. Daniel Saunders Life is heaven and hell. All else is silence. - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:44:45 -0600 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Velvets, Trib, and ME Favorites, all in a row At 07:42 PM 3/11/97 -0500, mr bean jeans wrote: >considering some of the recent velvet underground discussion, it's worth >pointing out that the five disc box set, _peel slowly and see_, is on sale >from the bmg music club for $20.39 -- even cheaper than the last box set >sale, when i picked up the same for $30. i think this offer is only >available to existing members, but i'm not sure.... Wow, makes me feel bad that I requested it from my mother for Christmas-before-last, and she probably paid $55 or so for it... I picked up Bowie's SOUND AND VISION and Lou Reed's BETWEEN THOUGHT AND EXPRESSION on their last sale, grand total of about $50. While we're on the Velvets tip, I'm giving a hearty recommendation to Rhino's two-disc version of LOADED (the "fully loaded version"). LOADED has always been my least-favorite Velvet Underground album, but this reissue is helping me rediscover it (oddly, disc five of PEEL SLOWLY didn't). I particularly like the "alternate album" takes on disc two, which are closer to the wonderful feel of 1969 LIVE (the absolute peak of the VU, in my opinion) than the ones on the final, more-polished version of LOADED. And it's always a trip to hear songs you know so well like "Satellite of Love" and "Sad Song" with dramatically different lyrics and arrangements. I bought mine for $17.99; I'd've gladly given $30. Got the trib yesterday, so I've only had time to spin it once, but was mightily impressed. A big thanks to Bayard and Mark G., who made it all possible with their enthusiasm and persistence. Great art, as everyone has noted, and the layout is handy, informative, and attractive. Oh, the music? (grin) Well, I usually don't like to comment on things I've listened to fewer than three times, but Kevin Slick's amazing bluegrass take on "Brenda's Iron Sledge" is quite the opening whammy. Other Days' cover of "Insanely Jealous" is the best thing I've ever heard from them. I was already hepped up to hear Bradley's "Queen of Eyes," what with his amazing version of "Amelia, Have You Lost" on the Scott Miller tribute album and his most excellent tape (which you really all should order), and he did not disappoint. Mark Gloster's "Higsons" made me eager to hear his album (Mark, could you send me the ordering info off-list? I've misplaced it). And no one should feel left out or slighted if I didn't mention them -- I didn't *dislike* anything, and I'm sure that, like with MOSS ELIXIR, new favorites will come to the fore with repeat listens. That being said, here are my ME picks: FIRST THREE LISTENS: Filthy Bird I Am Not Me DeChirico Street THE MIDDLE PERIOD: Sinister But She Was Happy The Devil's Radio The Speed of Things RIGHT NOW: Beatiful Queen The Speed of Things You and Oblivion (and I agree with everything Woj has said about it) At all times, I thought it was a stellar album, and I still do. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:35:18 -0500 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Come see Cone #34 Hey all... I've put up a little animated .gif of the cone I bought at the Athens show. Cone #34 to be exact. If anyone interested is seeing it, go to: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/cone34.htm Maybe others could do something similar. We could create a little virtual "Cone Gallery" or something. See you. __________________________________________________________ Mike Runion Cocoa, Florida email: mrrunion@tng.net (home) email: Michael.Runion-1@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov WWW: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/default.htm "A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends, Drink another, coin a phrase..." -REM __________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:28:36 -0500 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: horrorscopes once more... >Love on ya, >Susan >born during Gemini season ah... another one! James "course, I don't believe in horoscopes - Us Geminis rarely do..." (JD) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:29:20 -0500 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: mindless prattling >(and James' Serpent at... reminds me kinda of "I Never Thought I'd Live to >Be A Hundred" by The Moody Blues...especialyl the intro) >Terrence Marks hmmm. odd... I wonder if that's a compliment... I've never heard that Moodies song - I'll have to hunt it down. Be vewwy quiet, we're hunting Moodybwues! >park west Park west? I always park east and dress left. That way it's less distance to walk - and more comfortable! James "blue with a yellow horizontal line and a big white star? That's Nauru!" Dignan James Dignan___________________________________ You talk to me Deptmt of Psychology, Otago University As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk Street And I reply. . . . . . . . . . Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:55:49 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Finally, Sensible Politicians! It's a Miracle! Just thought there might be some here who would enjoy this. My next post will be full of references to RH, I promise. Love on ya, Susan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- *** Labor promises British drinkers a full pint Britain's opposition Labor Party promised Tuesday to give beer drinkers a full pint by making oversized glasses with a line to mark the pint mandatory. A Labor official pointed to a survey by The Campaign for Real Ale (CAMRA), a consumer group which champions traditional British beer, which revealed eight out of 10 pints are sold short. The Labor Party, favored to win May elections, will reinstate a Weights and Measures Act section and call for pubs to get proper pint glasses. For the full text story, see http://www.merc.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=1887070-290 ------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:38:40 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Finally, Sensible Politicians! It's a Miracle! what are they going to do with the old glasses, i wonder? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 00:46:42 -0600 From: LSDiamond Subject: How to get one's head out from underneath a bucket of cement. otherwise titled: Has anyone tabbed out "I Something You" yet? I feel as though I should, but if someone else has done it, please tell me as i'd like to be able to play it for my L-D boyfriend when he comes down to visit for Easter/spring Break.. *grin* Also, the song which goes "I say Caroline, no need to spell it backwards, that's enilorac"... the title escapes me (though i DO have the real title around here somewhere! ;) has anyone tabbed *it* yet? Ta! LSDiamond, the one who asks for it all.. ;) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Okay Okay i updated my page again (7 March, 1997) now will you PLEASE sign my guestbook??? *pitiful smile* http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/1542 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:09:54 -0800 From: meketone@well.com (Carrie Galbraith) Subject: Re: The Moss Elixir Debate phase two At 7:59 PM 3/11/97, Hedblade@aol.com wrote: >On the topic of Moss Elixir... >Then again, I think Queen Elvis is a beaut while the majority of you seem to >think it is dross, so what do I know? ;) Another Queen Elvis fan! I thought I was so alone. But I still vote Invisible Hithcock as the tops. (OK, I've put on the asbestos suit...) My 2¢ ME list: First few listens: Sinister But She Was Happy Filthy Bird Man With A Woman's Shadow Next round of listening: Sinister But... Speed Of Things You and Oblivion Last several spinnings: Devil's Radio Filthy Bird Sinister... Man With A Woman's... But what do I know? I listen mostly to soundtracks (when I'm not listening to Rh, Tom Waits or Nick Cave). Carrie "After God, Shakespeare created most." - Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:15:40 -0800 From: meketone@well.com (Ethyl Ketone) Subject: Question about the past I've been remembering past shows lately and I seem to recall, years ago, whenever Mr. H played solo (at certain venues), that he had a piano on the stage as well as guitars. He usually did a "piano set". Since I quite doing drugs a LONG time ago, it's definately not an alternate reality I am remembering. Anyone else who saw him in the 80s remember a piano on the stage and anyone have any knowledge on why he stopped using this during his solo shows? Just pondering, Carrie "After God, Shakespeare created most." - Dumas ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .