From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #47 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 47 Monday March 10 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Iron Horse Show knitting factory Re: Iron Horse Show Re: Iron Horse Show Dear Janes (semi-Robyn related) HEY! We've been dissed! Re: Dear Janes (semi-Robyn related) how do you work this harmonica Re: how do you work this harmonica the Dylan reproduction gig REPOST: 3-3-97 cat's cradle tree anouncement Re: the Dylan reproduction gig Re: the Dylan reproduction gig iron horse show Re: the Dylan reproduction gig Re: HEY! We've been dissed! Re: Iron Horse Show Re: Dear Janes (semi-Robyn related) ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:13:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Iron Horse Show Like I said earlier... Could you guys get me a cone? Please? Will pay costs + shipping, and will throw in a tape, free of charge. Terrence Marks Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy -Seeking enlightenment through normalcy. normal@grove.ufl.edu On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Alex Tanter wrote: > Assuming the Iron Horse show is going to happen, who from this list is going? > We're planning to be there by 7--we could all meet up and get tables together. > > Marcy > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 11:01:37 From: Keith Hanlon Subject: knitting factory Ok... I think I'm going to make a trek from Ohio to NYC for the Saturday show at the Knitting Factory. I was hoping I could meet up with some of you folks (woj?). Please email me if you'll be there. I have a place to stay (my sis), so you don't have to worry about some strange midwestern guy asking you to sleep on your floor. Later, keith ..................................................................... Norton's Orchestraville twisted pop music from Ohio = http://www.frognet.net/~khanlon/Nortons_home = ..................................................................... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 21:37:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Infinity's Ragged Shore" Subject: Re: Iron Horse Show On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > Like I said earlier... > Could you guys get me a cone? Please? > > On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Alex Tanter wrote: > > > We're planning to be there by 7--we could all meet up and get tables > > together. no, no, terry. there gonna take all the tables, not the cones! although, i must confess that routing out the tables is less appealing, to some degree. perhaps, a motion be made that along with pictures of fegs being compiled (a sure way to keep the list from growing :), a collection of photos of cones be made somehow. this of course would prove useful when the cones hit the resale market--one could see if cone number 57 is what it actually pretends to be. a sort of conology--in visual form. no? also, maybe someone could ask if bobby would be willing to fill orders for the list of these cones. an idea that i think he will outright refuse to do and may send him into anaphylactic shock, thinking that we are counting his every move as well as collecting every items he has touched. one can reassure him that demand for his soiled trousers will always be low (but, there are those who would consider the prospect, and i am not naming names ;). .chris ------------------------------ From: mrd@world.std.com (Mitchell R Dickerman) Subject: Re: Iron Horse Show Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:31:15 -0500 (EST) > Assuming the Iron Horse show is going to happen, who from this list is going? > We're planning to be there by 7--we could all meet up and get tables together. I'll be there. I suggest you try to get there earlier than 7 - isn't that when he's due to go on? Doors open at 5:30 according to the box office. Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:51:55 -0500 From: Paula_Carino@usccmail.lehman.com (Paula Carino) Subject: Dear Janes (semi-Robyn related) I noticed they've opened for Robyn several times on this tour, so I picked up a promo copy of the Dear Janes' NO SKIN album on Geffen (NYC Fegs: 88 cents at St. Marks Sounds, and there are a few more left). I'm wondering what people think of them. It sounds like straight-ahead folk music to me, nothing very unusual. Perhaps they sound different live. Why do you suppose the Dear Janes and RH were put on the same tour? Paula ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:04:23 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: HEY! We've been dissed! In last week's NY Press, they wrote some very uncomplimentary things about Robyn's FANS, calling us "creepy", among other things. I don't have it in front of me here (can't find any free periodicals in Brooklyn of course), so I can't give the exact quote. A friend called me up and read it to me, he thought it was hysterical! Any NY fegs got a copy of last week's NYP? It's in the listings section. lj banana-fana-bo-blana-fana-however-the-hell-that-goes--- LJ! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:19:54 -0500 From: lobsterman Subject: Re: Dear Janes (semi-Robyn related) Paula wrote: >It sounds like straight-ahead > folk music to me, nothing very unusual. Perhaps they sound >different > live. Why do you suppose the Dear Janes and RH were put on the same > tour? I don't know, but they get along well. Robyn actually came out and introduced them before they came on stage (at both shows I attended), and then the Dear Janes came out and returned the favor, introducing Robyn at Park West. And at the Rochester gig they referred to Robyn as the only artist (or band) that they've toured with that they've ever actually gotten along with. The Dear Janes have also been coaxing Robyn to play the newly penned "Daisy Bomb" at every gig, which they told me is their "absolute favorite Robyn song." As Woj mentioned in the review, they peeked their heads out of the backstage door and sung along to it at Park West. Wish I'd had a camcorder just for that song, it was a "neat" sight. The Dear Janes are from England somewhere, and sing about death, and some Christ imagery. It seems to me they fit right in. I liked their songs live much better than the studio versions. Anyone who wants some Dear Janes shows, get in touch. I taped 1/2 of the Rochester show, and the entire Park West show. probably about 70min total. John -jbj /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/- John B. Jones e-mail:jojones@mailbox.syr.edu web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "condemned to hell for every sin but littering" -soul coughing \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 10:04:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: how do you work this harmonica >To paraphrase "Bedazzled": "Don't feel silly. Very few people notice the >harmonica like qualities of the saxophone" :). technically, both are reed instruments are they not? in answer to the original question posed, I'd guess that Robyn has been dabbling in harmonica from the get-go, given that he wanted to be Bob Dylan from day one. Early soft boys stuff is laced with it (though off hand I couldn't tell you who was playing the thing). -russ in the changer: Bob Dylan/Highway 61 revisited Robyn Hitchcock/Moss Elixir Lenny Kravitz/Mama Said Greg Kihn/Horror Show The Velvet Underground/Loaded ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:22:31 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: how do you work this harmonica On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Russ Reynolds wrote: > >To paraphrase "Bedazzled": "Don't feel silly. Very few people notice the > >harmonica like qualities of the saxophone" :). > > technically, both are reed instruments are they not? I guess so. The saxophone only has one (or do I mean two?) and the pitch is varied by keys which alter the passage of air, whereas the harmonica has a separate reed for each note. I was at a talk by Johnny Mars (the noted blues harmonica player) and he was explaining how he takes reeds out and retunes them so as to get different scales on different harps. > in answer to the original question posed, I'd guess that Robyn has been > dabbling in harmonica from the get-go, given that he wanted to be Bob Dylan > from day one. Early soft boys stuff is laced with it (though off hand I > couldn't tell you who was playing the thing). At the Isle of Wight thing in 1995 (not the 1996 one with Tim and Jake), he was playing solo and played the harmonica extensively. I assume he was playing it at the 'Albert Hall' gig too. - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 97 10:51:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: the Dylan reproduction gig Can anyone tell me: 1) the date of the original Dylan show which Hitchcock reconstructed? 2) what was the significance, if any, of this particular Dylan show? 3) were Hitchcock's's encore tunes the same encore tunes Dylan did? 4) did Hitchcock repeat any of the 'tween songs ramblings from the original show? If I'm not mistaken (which I very well may be) Highway 61 predated Blonde on Blonde. With several cuts from hwy 61 on the setlist I'd guess the show took place shortly after hwy 61 was released, which--if my chronological assumptions are correct--would mean "Visions of Johanna" had yet to be released. That's not something that happened too often in those days, is it? -russ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:53:56 -0500 (EST) From: the magus Subject: REPOST: 3-3-97 cat's cradle tree anouncement this is in an effort to make sure that everyone who wants to be on this tree gets on... enjoy, cory like old electronics, still used but archaic. http://www.duke.edu/~car3 this is an announcement of a tape tree for robyn hitchcock's show on 3/3/97 at the cat's cradle in carrboro, nc. the show ran 89 minutes, fitting onto a 90 min analog cassette, 60 meter dat, or 90 meter dat. the tape source is a dat recorded using core sound binaural microphones (battery box model) into a sony d7 dat walkman. the mics were hung from the ceiling to cut out all crowd noise other than applause. this show was performed on robyn's 44th birthday and features the first ever performance of "adoration of the city." tree stucture will be posted to both fegmaniax and also on the web on or around march monday, march 24 (once i get back from spring break). this was a great show and the tape came out beautifully and i hope you all enjoy it!! any questions, email me... cory tree application found below: ----------------------------------------------- signups will be taken at: deadline for applications is midnight on thursday, march 13th, at midnight. please make your subject line read as one of the following- cradle d>d -only if you have dat>dat capabilities cradle d>a -only if you have dat>analog capabilities cradle a>a -only if you have analog>analog capabilities cradle d leaf -only if you wish to be a dat leaf cradle a leaf -only if you wish to be an analog leaf *it is highly looked upon by all members with dats to also try to run off analog copies...* ***attention- lack of proper subject header will result in not being included on tree*** ---------------------- please cut and paste this form in the message body <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name: email address: alternate email: postal address: phone: <<<<<<<>>>>>>>> branch information (mandatory for branch applications)- 1)number of copies you are willing to make? (default/minimum of three) 2)if d>d-- describing your cloning setup- will these clones be full digital i/o?- prefer 60 or 90 meter tapes?- can you defeat scms?- 3)if d>a-- describe your copying setup- prefer 60 or 90 meter tapes? 4)if a>a-- which of the following numbers describes your equipment? 1-cheap dubbing deck 2-decent dual well deck (2 heads each side) 3-two 2 head decks 4-one 2 head deck and one 3 head deck 5-two 3 head decks brief description of copying setup- 5)please sign the following: -i, ___ (insert your name here) will not be the cause of a tree delay. -i, ___ (insert your name here) will get tapes to by leaves quickly. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:58:36 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: the Dylan reproduction gig On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Russ Reynolds wrote: > Can anyone tell me: > 1) the date of the original Dylan show which Hitchcock reconstructed? 1966 - I will try to check actual dates. It was the Manchester show, but marketed by the bootleggers as the London one. > 2) what was the significance, if any, of this particular Dylan show? It was widely bootlegged and is famous for a member of the audience yelling 'Judas' because Dylan had gone electric. > 3) were Hitchcock's's encore tunes the same encore tunes Dylan did? Don't think so. > 4) did Hitchcock repeat any of the 'tween songs ramblings from the original > show? He grumbled about the audience shouting Judas in the wrong places. > If I'm not mistaken (which I very well may be) Highway 61 predated Blonde on > Blonde. Correct. With several cuts from hwy 61 on the setlist I'd guess the show > took place shortly after hwy 61 was released, which--if my chronological > assumptions are correct--would mean "Visions of Johanna" had yet to be > released. That's not something that happened too often in those days, is > it? Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat as well, I think. I don't believe that Bob Dylan has ever worried too much about whether the songs he plays have been released yet or not. He changes them around both before and after the 'definitive' recordings, too. - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:54:08 -0600 From: Cone #12 Subject: Re: the Dylan reproduction gig >Can anyone tell me: >1) the date of the original Dylan show which Hitchcock reconstructed? 5/17/66. And it was not actually Royal Albert Hall; the famous bootleg is now recognized to be from Machester, Free Trade Hall. You can read all about existing recordings of the 66 world tour and at http://www.best.com/~howells/dylan/tapes/66-tour.html. >2) what was the significance, if any, of this particular Dylan show? While the setlist for this date is identical to almost all the shows from the 66 world tour, as is the regal splendor and venom of the performance and the reaction of the crowd (variously hostile, baffled, amazed), it is the fact that an excellent soundboard recording was made and has long been bootlegged that has contributed to this shows legendary status. However, even if no record existed, everyone who saw any show from this tour would more than likely still be talking about it. This tour was a seminal event in rock history--we are fortunate to have such superb audio documentation. Having said that, the real significance is that IT IS THE GREATEST PERFORMANCE OF ROCK AND ROLL MUSIC EVERY CAPTURED ON TAPE. >3) were Hitchcock's's encore tunes the same encore tunes Dylan did? Dylan and the Hawks did not play any encore at all. They were more than likely glad to escape alive. (also, one of Robyn's encores, Dignity, is from Dylan's 1988 album Oh Mercy.) >4) did Hitchcock repeat any of the 'tween songs ramblings from the original >show? To an extent. He briefly re-creates the famous mumbling ploy that Dylan used to get the crowd back on his side during a taunting incident of slow hand-clapping by the crowd seemingly done in protest of the newfangled loud electric mash that Dylan and the Hawks are spewing fourth. Also, someone plays along (from the crowd? the band?) to recreate the infamous "judas" incident, in which between tunes someone from the crowd shouts out "JUDAS", again apparently in protest of Dylan turning his back on folk music. I think on Robyn's set this was kinda amalgamated into one scene. >If I'm not mistaken (which I very well may be) Highway 61 predated Blonde on >Blonde. With several cuts from hwy 61 on the setlist I'd guess the show >took place shortly after hwy 61 was released, which--if my chronological >assumptions are correct--would mean "Visions of Johanna" had yet to be >released. That's not something that happened too often in those days, is >it? You are correct. The Blonde on Blonde material had been recorded (much of it just a few blocks away from where I sit at this moment), but not yet released. BoB was released later in May in the US, I'm not sure of UK. If anyone is interested in a tape of the Dylan show, I'll be glad to trade for some Robyn stuff. Gary ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:20:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: iron horse show From: cookie concerning the iron horse show, marcy-i just don't belive it will come to fruition-i am hoping to go anyway! cookie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:05:33 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Sarah) Subject: Re: the Dylan reproduction gig >>Can anyone tell me: > >>1) the date of the original Dylan show which Hitchcock reconstructed? > >5/17/66. And it was not actually Royal Albert Hall; the famous bootleg is >now recognized to be from Machester, Free Trade Hall. You can read all >about existing recordings of the 66 world tour and at >http://www.best.com/~howells/dylan/tapes/66-tour.html. > >>2) what was the significance, if any, of this particular Dylan show? > >While the setlist for this date is identical to almost all the shows from >the 66 world tour, as is the regal splendor and venom of the performance >and the reaction of the crowd (variously hostile, baffled, amazed), it is >the fact that an excellent soundboard recording was made and has long been >bootlegged that has contributed to this shows legendary status. However, >even if no record existed, everyone who saw any show from this tour would >more than likely still be talking about it. This tour was a seminal event >in rock history--we are fortunate to have such superb audio documentation. > >Having said that, the real significance is that > >IT IS THE GREATEST PERFORMANCE OF ROCK AND ROLL MUSIC EVERY CAPTURED ON TAPE. > > Yeah! It's great! If you don't have it, get it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:31:52 -0600 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: HEY! We've been dissed! At 10:04 AM 3/10/97 -0400, lj lindhurst wrote: >In last week's NY Press, they wrote some very uncomplimentary things about >Robyn's FANS, calling us "creepy", among other things. I don't have it in >front of me here (can't find any free periodicals in Brooklyn of course), >so I can't give the exact quote. A friend called me up and read it to me, >he thought it was hysterical! Not by J. R. Taylor, was it? His pseudo-Bangs act (imagine Lester without the talent) wears very thin, IMO. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:07:27 -0500 From: mr bean jeans Subject: Re: Iron Horse Show also sprach "Infinity's Ragged Shore" : >perhaps, a motion be made that along with pictures of fegs being >compiled (a sure way to keep the list from growing :), a collection of >photos of cones be made somehow. hah! john and i are one step ahead of you, chris! we posed for our picture with my cone on the table and new-feg chad patterson's cone perched on john's head! by the way, my cone is most excellent: the first drawing is a bomb which slowly metamorphoses into a hand holding a stalk of grass. i shan't say what chad's looks like since a) it's a surprise and b) i have no clue how to describe it. ;) woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:11:51 -0500 From: mr bean jeans Subject: Re: Dear Janes (semi-Robyn related) also sprach Paula_Carino@usccmail.lehman.com (Paula Carino): >I'm wondering what people think of them. It sounds like straight-ahead >folk music to me, nothing very unusual. Perhaps they sound different >live. eh, more rock than folk, i'd say. there are a fair amount of byrdsian undertones to their sound, but do not be mislead by the presence of an acoustic guitar! i haven't heard the record yet, but their show was enough to make me want to pick it up if i see it used anywheres (and st. mark's sounds is as good a place as any, next time i'm in new york). any plans for feggathers tuesday night? i'm still toying with going to one of the weekday shows and tuesday is better than wednesday or thursday. the two friday shows are looking quite definite for me though. woj ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .