From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #35 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 35 Thursday February 20 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- RH rating 60% - Me rating 100% Re: Dylan-Robyn tape List joining Re: RH rating 60% - Me rating 100% SB sound-a-likes Re: SB sound-a-likes Re: SB sound-a-likes Re: 100% VU content Re: 100% VU content Re: 100% VU content Re: 100% VU content Re: where'd everyone go? Re: SB sound-a-likes Re: SB sound-a-likes Re: SB sound-a-likes The Lennon Bauhaus Dragon Re: SB sound-a-likes all together now; say "cheese" no Robyn.. well, not much, anyway.. Re: ..."say cheese" Crablings Caroline Says, "Little RH" tour dates From the Oxford English Dictionary ------------------------------ From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-Sonoma-om1.om.hp.com Date: Tue, 18 Feb 97 11:11:15 -0800 Subject: RH rating 60% - Me rating 100% Item Subject: cc:Mail Text Does anyone else think that "The Abandoned Brain" sounds very like the intro to "99 Red Balloons" by Nena? (Does anyone know what I'm talking about?) "Optimist of 1997" goes to a CD store in Cotati CA that is selling (trying to) the Rhino sampler CD (available everywhere else at around the $1 mark) for $15 plus tax, by sticking an import sticker on it!!! What a marketing coup. BTW, to the Proclaimers fan whose address I have lost, the store has a new copy of "Hit The Highway" for $5-6. If you want it I can buy it and send it to you for whatever it costs me. Let me know. Still no CA dates???? To hssmrg, you need to get out more!! You didn't do the storyline for "Head" did you?????? () - Wafflehead ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 14:22:08 -0500 From: nicastr@idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Dylan-Robyn tape Does anybody have a tape of the "Robyn covers Dylan" shows for trade? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:15:11 -0800 From: meketone@well.com (Carrie Galbraith) Subject: List joining Greetings fellow Fegmaniacs! As a fan of Robyn for 10+ years and a devoted attendee to his numerous appearances, I am glad to find others of like minds out there. Not sure I share all the knowledge you do, re: other bands and such, but I'm into the meister songwriter on a par with Dylan in my book, and have been enjoying the List so far. Just a few comments: I have a marvelous comp tape of RH oldies which includes his most Lennon-like rendition of "Cold Turkey". I've enjoyed his covers when I've seen him (the encores) and particularily - "A Day in the Life" (Above Paradise, December 1988, I think), and "Visions of Johanna" (Great American Music Hall, 1996 or 95). Time is my enemy. I'm painfully ignorant of his SB sound-a-likes even thought I was an old PF fan (showing my age, sorry). Anyway, I'll participate when I can and when it's relevant. I will, of course, not miss a performance out here on the coast, and I'm interested in the Robyn covers CD. Take my eyes, I've used them, Ethyl Ketone ps: Svensk, if you subscribe, please e-mail me! Lost your number. "After God, Shakespeare created most." - Dumas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 23:11:24 -0600 From: "A. Hardy" Subject: Re: RH rating 60% - Me rating 100% At 11:11 AM 2/18/97 -0800, you wrote: >Item Subject: cc:Mail Text > Does anyone else think that "The Abandoned Brain" sounds very like the > intro to "99 Red Balloons" by Nena? (Does anyone know what I'm > talking about?) ABSOLUTELY... i've thought that almost since the day i heard "The Abandoned Brain" > "Optimist of 1997" goes to a CD store in Cotati CA that is selling > (trying to) the Rhino sampler CD (available everywhere else at around > the $1 mark) for $15 plus tax, by sticking an import sticker on it!!! > What a marketing coup. > > BTW, to the Proclaimers fan whose address I have lost, the store has a > new copy of "Hit The Highway" for $5-6. If you want it I can buy it > and send it to you for whatever it costs me. Let me know. COOLNESS!! (that was me!! *pointing at herself*) is it on CD or cassette? if you wanted it for yourself, i'd be content with a copy, but if you weren't gonna get it for yourself, the actual thing would be great! :) LSDiamond ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Though I may never see you again, I wish you the warmest clam chowder, the finest of embalmings, and the best in stainless steel cadaver pans that money can buy. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 00:28:23 -0600 From: gokhman@zakuski.math.utsa.edu (Dmitry Gokhman) Subject: SB sound-a-likes My votes for SB sound-a-like songs (apart from the obvious covers): 1. Fiend Before the Shrine, 2. The Ghost Ship (Opel), 3. The Pit of Souls (Lanky). Do I get a prize? - D ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 02:17:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: SB sound-a-likes Fiend is too coherent. And Syd couldn't do "pit of souls" without it degenerating into chromatic psychedelic swirls... Dreams, This Could Be The Day, Surgery or Mr. Deadly would fit in on any Syd album...(note: WHen I saw "What Robyn sounds most like SB", I thought Soft Boys...) But then, not all of Syd's songs sound like Syd (ie. Here I Go, Maisie) Terrence Marks Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy -Seeking enlightenment through normalcy. normal@grove.ufl.edu On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Dmitry Gokhman wrote: > My votes for SB sound-a-like songs (apart from the obvious covers): > 1. Fiend Before the Shrine, > 2. The Ghost Ship (Opel), > 3. The Pit of Souls (Lanky). > > Do I get a prize? - D > ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 03:42:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: SB sound-a-likes > > The Lizard - The vocal, guitar, lyrics and general eerie atmosphere all > would fit perfectly as one of the early tracks on Piper (Listen to this next > to Lucifer Sam). > Hmm...The Lizard is too coherent. It's got one solid chord structure and goes into arpeggios based on that. Musically, it's much to normal or complex for Syd. (Complex? Well, Syd's songs tend to either be uneven and chromatic or just three-chord ditties) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:30:27 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: 100% VU content On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Russ Reynolds wrote: > I seem to recall this thread being woven a couple months back and I suppose > I should have been paying closer attention, but on which of Lou Reed's > albums can "Caroline Says" be found? I could've sworn I had it at home but > all I've got is the VU version, "Stephanie Says" (Robyn's version from Lady > Mitchell Hall blows that one away). I should say that it's on the third album, called 'Velvet Underground' (i.e. not 'Velvet Underground and Nico'), the one with 'Beginning to see the light' and 'Jesus' on it. Incidentally, someone was asking about a song sung by Mo Tucker the other day, which I think must be 'Afterhours' ("If you close the door the night can last forever let the sunshine out and say hello to never all the people are laughing and they're having such fun I wish it could happen to me but if you close the door I'd never have to see the day again"). Cheers - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 10:52:29 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: 100% VU content On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Russ Reynolds wrote: > > I seem to recall this thread being woven a couple months back and I suppose > > I should have been paying closer attention, but on which of Lou Reed's > > albums can "Caroline Says" be found? > > I should say that it's on the third album, called 'Velvet Underground' > (i.e. not 'Velvet Underground and Nico'), the one with 'Beginning to see > the light' and 'Jesus' on it. No it isn't, you're thinking of 'Candy Says', Godwin - try again! Oh all right, my next guess is the unlistenable 'Berlin' album by Lou Reed. - Mike Godwin encore une fois PS To Hamish: I was going to say I never saw 'Head', but then I started humming 'Listen to the Band' so maybe I did ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 06:59:01 -0600 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: 100% VU content At 10:52 AM 2/19/97 +0000, M R Godwin wrote: > >On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > >> On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Russ Reynolds wrote: >> > I seem to recall this thread being woven a couple months back and I suppose >> > I should have been paying closer attention, but on which of Lou Reed's >> > albums can "Caroline Says" be found? >> >> I should say that it's on the third album, called 'Velvet Underground' >> (i.e. not 'Velvet Underground and Nico'), the one with 'Beginning to see >> the light' and 'Jesus' on it. > >No it isn't, you're thinking of 'Candy Says', Godwin - try again! > >Oh all right, my next guess is the unlistenable 'Berlin' album by Lou >Reed. Correct about which Lou album it's on, though not about its listenability -- _Berlin_ is one of the few Lou solo efforts (along with _The Blue Mask_, _New Sensations_, and maybe _Street Hassle_) that's worthwhile all the way through. It is one of those albums, like Joy Division's _Closer_, that should come with a warning label to lock up the razor blades before listening. Russ is right about the timing of the song's writing, at least in its original form. There is a Velvets version of the song, from the sessions for the third album, called "Stephanie Says." It's been posthumously released on _VU_ and the boxed set, _Peel Slowly and See_. Later, Miles ====================================================================== RH: Uh - no, but I remember Eno had sort of long hair and round blue sunglasses, and he looked like the apex of cool, you know. Eno had two tape recorders and somebody playing a D-tuned violin, and the violin is going and someone lit a stick of incense. It was fantastic. - Robyn Hitchcock on NPR (transcription courtesy Tracy Aileen Copeland) Miles Goosens goosenmk@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 08:22:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: 100% VU content >I should say that it's on the third album, called 'Velvet Underground' >(i.e. not 'Velvet Underground and Nico'), the one with 'Beginning to see >the light' and 'Jesus' on it. just as I was, you've been faked out by "Candy Says". This is why I wasn't paying attention to the earlier thread--I was so sure about that tune being on the 3rd VU that I didn't think the topic applied to me. (it's the same sort of smugness that led me to a career in radio instead of computer programming). I've since been informed that "Caroline Says" appears on "Berlin" which will probably be my next CD purchase. The Velvet Underground's early version, "Stephanie Says," can be found on their posthumous (1984?) release "VU" There's even another "(somebody) Says" tune--"Lisa Says"--which, if memory serves [WARNING! MEMORY SUBJECT TO BRAIN FARTS!] is also on VU. confused? me too. -russ in the changer today: ROBYN HITCHCOCK/Blask Snake Diamond Role (VARIOUS ARTISTS)/Glass Flesh* XTC/Black Sea ELVIS COSTELLO/This Year's Model SMASHING PUMPKINS/Siamese Dream *(MY but this is loud!) ------------------------------ From: jlaw@qucis.queensu.ca (Jeffrey Lawrence) Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 11:39:07 EST Subject: Re: where'd everyone go? >Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 11:38:14 -0500 (EST) >From: Gary Assassin >Subject: where'd everyone go? > >Here are my comments. I was very disappointed. Of all the Robyn shows I >was ever at, 30+, this was the worst. Not just because it was non-visible, >but I didn't like the way they broadcast it. It was cut, right? What show >lasts only an hour? I will not complain about sound quality, because you >have to live with the Internet. Um, hello? - you must have been asleep for the past little while, since you obviously didn't catch onto the fact that this was when Robyn was OPENING for Billy Bragg this fall (in Vancouver). And guess what - his set was only an hour to start with!! (at least in Toronto it was). Yes, normally they do edit the show down into an hour (for those two hour sets that they do broadcast) but this one was an hour to begin with so..... Maybe they cleaned up some between song banter (I wasn't at that one so I couldn't comment) but other than that it wasn't touched - personally I thought it was a good (not great) show - but that's my $0.02 Just thought I'd clear up this misunderstanding..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 12:07:01 -0600 From: gokhman@zakuski.math.utsa.edu (Dmitry Gokhman) Subject: Re: SB sound-a-likes >PS Dmitry, I can't place Fiend Before the Shrine with any Syd song/song style. >What is the relation that you see? I think its the words and the whistling at the end, which reminds me of Let's Split. - D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:16:25 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: SB sound-a-likes On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > (Complex? Well, Syd's songs tend to either be uneven and chromatic or > just three-chord ditties) Which of these categories do 'Astronomy Domine' 'Clowns and Jugglers' and 'Lucifer Sam' fit into? And 'Dominoes' and 'Baby Lemonade'? - Mike Godwin PS Maybe I just don't understand your definition of chromatic... ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 14:06:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: SB sound-a-likes > > On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > > > (Complex? Well, Syd's songs tend to either be uneven and chromatic or > > just three-chord ditties) > > Which of these categories do 'Astronomy Domine' 'Clowns and Jugglers' and > 'Lucifer Sam' fit into? Astronomy Domine is an exception. Lucifer Sam and Clowns and Jugglers are both chromatic, with unevenly spaced chord changes. > > And 'Dominoes' and 'Baby Lemonade'? I think that Baby Lemonade fits into the chromatic, uneven categor. I'm not sure about dominoes. Terry ------------------------------ Subject: The Lennon Bauhaus Dragon Date: Wed, 19 Feb 97 17:10:22 -0000 From: The Great Quail >Well i don't really remember what it was that my friend & i decided, but the >first album we heard was "The Invisible Hitchcock" and we heard a lot of >Lennonesque songs in it... don't ask me for titles, because playing Lennon >and then playing Hitchcock doesn't work... the sounds are too distinct if >one compares them straight on like i did.. > >anyone else think so of TIH? Well . . . I've never noticed it much on TIH, but on Element of Light I have always thought that "Somewhere Apart" was very Lennon-sounding, which is not to take anything at all away from Robyn, whom I enjoy much more than Lennon, Barret, or GWAR. Oh. So, um, the rest of you don't think he sounds like the guy in GWAR? Hm. Also: My wife, who I have slowly and painfully converted over the years, still contends to me that she thinks Bauhaus sounds like "an evil Robyn Hitchcock." I admit that I thought she was a bit crazy, until one day I was, um, a bit tired - heh, heh - one could almost say *altered* - and my friend put on some Bauhaus and suddenly all I heard was a Robyn who went over to the Dark Side of the Force. It was very strange. I've never quite heard that again, you know. >The unquestioned Lennon sound-alike is "Flavour of Night"... Another one for my wife. This was always one of my favorite Robyn songs, and one day she wanders in and says "Wow. It's Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, but different." Grrr. It's good she didn't say that before we were married. . . . The Quail PS: I have always thought that the Soup Dragons had always sounded like RH and the Egyptians. ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ From: "Baker, David(PIN-C09)" Subject: Re: SB sound-a-likes Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 03:18:57 -0500 I agree, Robyn was definitely at his most Syd-like around the time of the Soft Boys and BSDR (and after all, Soft Boys and Syd Barrett have the same initials)! The songs/performances which I most associate with Syd are: The Lizard - The vocal, guitar, lyrics and general eerie atmosphere all would fit perfectly as one of the early tracks on Piper (Listen to this next to Lucifer Sam). Sleeping with your Devil Mask - As I have mentioned before, Rats with a chorus. Trilobite and Ghost Ship - Both would sit very comfortably on Opel Strange - Again, a sinister yet melodic vocal/song, like no-one except said has really managed. Dave PS Dmitry, I can't place Fiend Before the Shrine with any Syd song/song style. What is the relation that you see? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 18:25:26 -0800 From: Nick Winkworth CC: goosenmk@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu, ahardy@companet.net, mrrunion@tng.net, ebmF92@hamp.hampshire.edu, gsa@li.net, mrd@world.std.com, jojones@mailbox.syr.edu Subject: all together now; say "cheese" Judging by the list traffic of last few days it seems quite a few of you are planning to meet up either prior to, during, or after some of the upcoming gigs. If this includes you, here's your step-by-step guide to fame and glory... 1) Take a camera and snap a pic of the assembled fegpersons 2) Send me a copy of the photo (identifying the pictured dignitaries). 3) I will scan it, stir in a little HTML, add some annotations and witty comments (per your suggestions) and send it off to our esteemed listmeister. 4) The resulting fegphotos page will be proudly displayed on the FegMANIAX! web site (big thanks to woj for his kind offer to host it) - where you will be the envy of your fellow listmembers. Err... That's it! I can really recommend trying to meet up with some other fegfolk, by the way. I had a great time at the SF gig last year. It was really quite painless, and I got to meet some really cool people. I even have the photo to prove it (I'll show you mine if you show me yours!) --Bonus points to anyone who can get their picture taken with Robyn. (Now *there's* a challenge!) Just email me when you're done and I'll tell you where to send your photos. I'll be happy to return the original if you want. Enjoy the shows - I'm jealous but I'm happy. Keep on clicking... -Nick BTW, if anyone is wondering how we managed to meet up last year, we just booked a table at a local restaurant in the name of "Mr. Feg" (!) and assumed that anyone who was directed to our table was "one of us". Don't knock it - it worked! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 22:01:08 -0600 From: LSDiamond Subject: no Robyn.. well, not much, anyway.. i noticed something, in going through liner notes from RH albums. Someone meets Steeleye Span.... anyone remember those guys? Dad got me hooked on them with the "Now We Are Six" album, and i was just wondering if anyone else liked them, too. i have got to be the weirdest 17 year old i know.. LOL LSDiamond ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sandra's having her brain out Brenda's having her heart washed Norman's having his soul dry-cleaned Sandra's having her brain out Brenda's having her heart washed Barry's having his mind repaired And they feel alright! -Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 07:58:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: ..."say cheese" >BTW, if anyone is wondering how we managed to meet up last year, we just >booked a table at a local restaurant in the name of "Mr. Feg" (!) and >assumed that anyone who was directed to our table was "one of us". Don't >knock it - it worked! ...and if that didn't cause confusion in San Francisco (where the word "feg" could have easily been misunderstood thereby applying to a good portion of the city) you shouldn't have problems elsewhere. -rr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 97 08:17:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Crablings I'm in the process of listening to "Unhatched Crablings" for the first time. A few notes/questions: 1. "Surfer Ghost" is such a wonderful tune!!! Definitely the cream of the crop. The Egyptians' version would've made a great single/video. 2. That recipe Robyn sings...what's it a recipe for (I had trouble making out all the words)? Has anyone tried it yet? And if anyone here was at that show, was he reading from a cookbook by any chance? 3. Nice version of Waterloo Sunset. Coincidentally, our Morning guy, Greg Kihn was interviewing Dave Davies this morning and mentioned that his own cover of "Waterloo Sunset" was--far as he knew--the only cover of that tune in existence. I can't believe that's true...anyone know of another that was released? (hello, Susan?). 4. Has anyone made a cassette J-Card for Crablings? I'm also still waiting to hear about J-Cards for the Dylan Covers tape & Lady Mitchell Hall if anyone can help. 5. Oh yeah, "You're So Repulsive" is a fun tune too. -russ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:10:11 -0800 (PST) From: Griffith Davies Subject: Caroline Says, "Little RH" I am a digest subscriber, so this might have been covered already. I searched through all of my Velvet Underground cd's (including the boxed set and a few others) and I could not find *Caroline Says*. I found a lot of things said by Lisa, Candy, and Stephanie, but no Caroline. Next, I checked my Lou Reed boxed set (between thoughts & expression) and found two very different *Caroline Says*. The version that Robyn is found playing on the Pop Culture Press CD is Caroline Says II. Hope this clears a few things up. griffih ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies hbrtv219@email.csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:46:21 -0500 (EST) From: MichaelHooker Subject: tour dates hello, has anybody heard anything about the columbia ,s. carolina gig being confirmed? thanks, Mike Hooker ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:59:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: From the Oxford English Dictionary Hey Fegs, In light of the discussion about the origin of the word "fag," I thought I'd try to solve it once and for all. From the Oxford English Dictionary, we have these: 1) That which causes weariness; hard work, toil, drudgery, fatigue. colloq. first printed documentation of word used in this context: 1780 2) In English public schools, a junior who performs certain duties for a senior. Also transf. a drudge. first printed documentation of word used in this context: 1785 3) Something that hangs loose; a flap. first printed documentation of word used in this context: 1486 4) A "knot' in cloth first printed documentation of word used in this context: 1464 5) a) The fag-end of a cigarette. b) a cheap cigarette. c) any cigarette first printed documentation of word used in this context: 1888 6) US slang. [Abbreviation of FAGGOT] first printed documentaion of word used in this context: 1923 How's that? Sincerely, Jay ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .