From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #28 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 28 Saturday February 8 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Marks, his words Re: Robyn Hitchcock tour dates not very rh: publishing/copyrights... Can of Bees, Game Theory Re: Can of Bees, Game Theory Resistance is Useless. You will be assimilated. Re: Feg Digest V5 #25 re: tour dates blatant commercial spam re: tour dates Can Of Bees Robyn Hitchcock tour dates Re: Can Of Bees _glass flesh_ on sale Glass Flesh URL re: tour dates re: tour dates Triffids ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 17:18:22 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Marks, his words >From: Terrence M Marks > >Does anyone have anything by the Cleaners from Venus? I remember >reading about them in an old post...I don't think that any of the local >music stores have them, but I'll check again... I have one import record, called Going To England (released in 1987). It's a fun listen with some catchy tunes, but it's one of those deja vu albums -- every lick you hear, you think you've heard somewhere before. I've tried to bring myself to get rid of it many times, but I've never quite convinced myself. :) >Is Vic Chesnutt's previous work/his work with Brute anything like About >to Choke? How does it compare? Brute/Nine High A Pallet is probably the worst Vic Chesnutt release. To me, it sounds like he just dug up all his leftover/reject songs, quickly steamrolled through them with the Brute band (Widespread Panic) and put 'em out as a lark. I like About To Choke far better. It was #9 on my 1996 Top 10, and it's my favorite Vic release. But except for Brute and the first album Little, I would recommend ANYTHING by Vic Chesnutt very highly. >I'd just like to strongly reccomend the following albums: >Jeremy Enigk's "Return of the Frog Queen" I really didn't care for it, sorry. Enigk has an extremely poor way with melody, if you ask me. He just sorta strums one chord pattern over and over and over, and then run-on wails over it. Blah. Over the course of a full album, it gets very, very tedious. But then, I didn't like Sunny Day Real Estate either. Buy Eric Matthews' "It's Heavy In Here" instead. :) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 22:23:24 -0600 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: Robyn Hitchcock tour dates At 10:45 AM 2/7/97 -0500, Ben wrote: > from Pollstar: > > 02/22/97 Nashville, TN Bluebird Cafe Wooooooooo-hooooooooooooooo! First Nashville gig since 1992! Happy happy joy joy! Now if I can just be one of the few people who'll fit inside the Bluebird... Later, Miles ====================================================================== np: the Pogues, _Peace and Love_ Miles Goosens goosenmk@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 1997 20:30:21 -0800 From: Mark Gloster Subject: not very rh: publishing/copyrights... Re: Copyrights and Publishing... A copyright is a very simple thing. You can contact the US Register of Copyrights and they will send you the appropriate forms. You probably want to use form PA for registering a song, SR for an album. It costs $20 for each registration. This is _way_ more important than worrying about performance rights organizations. People have talked for years about a "poorman's copyright": mailing a registered cassette to yourself, but this provides virtually no legal protection- do not try this even at home. You can download the (adobe acrobat) forms from the BMI website, or call (202) 707-9100 the US Reg. of Copyrights to obtain forms. FYI- speak very clearly when ordering forms on the answering machine at the US Copyrights telephone number, I have been fortunate to have had them sent to my correct address, but they have never spelled my name right. ref: http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/ http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/forms.html --- A performance rights organization, BMI, SESAC, ASCAP, etc. is an entity that assures that when your song is "performed" (mostly radio, TV, or in movies), that you get paid for it. I joined BMI, because it was easy to do so. I also became a publishing company at the same time through them. There are some compelling reasons to join ASCAP as well, including the fact that it is easier to get out of if the relationship is less than wonderful. I can't remember which of the two is bigger, but they both handle gigantic quantities of dough. Also BMI is a not-for-profit organization. SESAC handles primarily gospel acts, I believe. Your performance rights organization has affiliations with foreign performance rights entities and collects money for foreign performances. ref: http://bmi.com/ http://ascap.com/ http://sesac.com/ --- Robyn Hitchcock Rules! This is the only fan listserv to which I belong, and I don't mind the off-topic stuff, as I have in my time here perpetrated some myself. I think you are all great. Please don't whack each other, or me, for that matter. I've had others thank me for information (off topic) on this list and whack other people for off topic stuff. I don't get it, maybe I'm drain bamaged. L.O.Y.B. -Mark Gloster "not a lawyer, but I play one on my local cable access channel" Mark Gloster and Big Rubber Shark Kitty Want Fed BMI Tigermonkey Records rubrshrk@tigermonkey.com http://www.tigermonkey.com ------------------------------ Subject: Can of Bees, Game Theory Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 22:14:18 -0800 (PST) From: "Daniel Saunders" Couple of questions: I believe I now own almost all of the "major" hitchcock albums, but I was wondering about Can of Bees. I really like Underwater Moonlight, but I've actually heard very little about the aforementioned (what reminded me of it was Russ Reynolds "Ban of Keys" comment). Any words of advice? The other thing is a band I've heard mentioned several times on this list: Game Theory. I like the name (do they have a song called Prisoner's Dilemma), but I know nothing about them, aside from that one of their best albums is called "Lolita Nation". Any fans on the list? Daniel Saunders, pining for Robyn to come back to Vancouver (I missed it) Life is heaven and hell. All else is silence. - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 01:33:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Can of Bees, Game Theory > Couple of questions: > > I believe I now own almost all of the "major" hitchcock albums, but I was > wondering about Can of Bees. I really like Underwater Moonlight, but I've > actually heard very little about the aforementioned (what reminded me of > it was Russ Reynolds "Ban of Keys" comment). Any words of advice? Hmm...It's nothing like Underwater Moonlight. It's punky. I don't like it much. I consider it the great disposable Hitchcock album. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 00:03:12 -0800 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Resistance is Useless. You will be assimilated. OK now you've done it. You've woken me from my temporary lurkdom. Now I'm gonna waste more bandwidth on this on/off topic debate. You should all be ashamed of yourselves. (Seriously, with narry an exception, the discussion on this (off-topic) subject -- on both sides of the argument -- has been courteous, articulate and well-reasoned. And THAT's a big part of why _I_'m still on this list.) Ross Overbury wrote: > I was once in the RH-only camp. Now I've come to think of a lot of you > as friends and thanks to you I've gained an appreciation for Dickenson, > Cope and others. and d mayowel added > ...i'll speak up once more in favor of irrelevancy. what keeps me > here is the sense that are real, complex, contradictory people on the > other side of the modem, who occasionally have bad days and good ones, who > read books i like and books i don't, who like bands i loathe and bands i > love... I place my voting slip in the Overbury/moyowel/Diamond...et al box. What people *think* they want from a list, and what they find valuable once they're there are quite different things. Its like walking into a library looking for a book on Shakespeare and finding a bunch of actors having a party. Sure, you can get shirty about enduring the noise while you browse the stacks -- but once you join in the conversation it's the quality of the company, not the narrowness of the topic that will bring you back to the library. (with apologies to any librarians for that analogy) My feeling is that these so-called "off-topic" posts are absolutely the essence of what this list has become. I also firmly believe that the majority of these RH-only folk -- if only they stick around -- will come to appreciate it too. I don't know about you, but as much as I enjoy Robyns work, it/he is not the center of my life. I spend more time listening to other artists, more of my life doing other stuff. Somehow though, an appreciation of this music marks us as people who just *might* just share other interests, intellectual traits or worse (yes, this very list has spawned at least one romantic attachment that I know of). I guess I'm saying "woj, don't touch the list. Create another -announce list if you _must_, but I'd be sad if any more Ross Overburys missed the chance to experience 'true fegdom'". If you *are* one of those list purists let me just say; "relax, if you've read this far, you too will soon be one of us...". ;-) Just my 2 Altarian Pobble Beads worth. nickwinkworthus of borg OK Susan, I am going to hug my monitor ...........NOW! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 13:58:53 +0000 From: am@enterprise.net (Aidan) Subject: Re: Feg Digest V5 #25 >>OK, I'm a baffled North American, that's for sure (for God's sake, I can't >>even tell when Robyn is joking :) ), but didn't Sandie "Puppet On A >>String" Shaw partake in the Eurovision Song Contest? If so, then at least >>ONE beauty came from it! Correct me if I'm wrong and flame at will. < > >True. Then again, it's a song she now refuses even discuss. If you >interview her and mention that song, she'll walk out - you have been >warned. > >Perhaps Robyn should cover it! Anyone wishing to hear this in the flesh, go dig out a copy of _Greasy Quiff_. Admittedly, they only get about 10 seconds into it before abandoning it (it's on the live half) but the thought's there... Aidan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 09:00:44 -0500 From: Alex Tanter Subject: re: tour dates Ah, notice a date in Albany followed by a date in NY. Notice NO Northampton/Iron Horse date. Those who were holding your breath may exhale now. Perhaps an Iron Horse date will materialize but why would he come back up here? It would make more sense to come after Albany. I am just SO surprised. BAH! Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 09:13:32 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: blatant commercial spam i've spent the morning digging my shiny new copy of the glass flesh cd yummy yummy yummy and it occured to me that some of you might not know about another recent, somewhat similar effort. i know that several of you are already on the loud-fans list, and that a few others are already familiar with the work of longtime so cal power popster scott miller with his bands game theory and loud family. since he's not british, no one is ever likely to level the adjective 'eccentric' at miller the way they do at mr. the hitchcock, but the man melds delirious polysyllabic spills to glorious hooky melodies decorated with all sorts of crunchy sonicisms in a way that's less wilfully odd and overtly funny than r.h., but just as smart and witty. anyway, roger winston over there played the role of bayard and assembled a generous discful of tunez, entitled _The Tape of Only Loud Fans_, from the bands and bedrooms of assorted list members. a few names will be familiar, with bradley skaught and mike breen's other days lending further credence to my contention that the aesthetics of the two songwriters are not mutually exclusive. the quality is generally high, the passion evident -- miller himself has said that the career-spanning overview could provide a good introduction for someone not familiar with his work. full liner notes including comments from former game theory member gil ray and dozens of rare photos of miller and various bandmates complete the package, which is available at a low low price that will knock your socks off. please, help roger reclaim his living room and drop him a line at rogwinston@aol.com! you won't regret it. [insert any required disclaimers here] d. -- oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug -- dmayowel@access.digex.net==dmw@mwmw.com==dougmhyphw@aol.com -- get yr recently updated pathos at http://www.mwmw.com/pathetic/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 10:01:25 -0500 From: mr bean jeans Subject: re: tour dates also sprach Marcy: >Ah, notice a date in Albany followed by a date in NY. Notice NO >Northampton/Iron Horse date. Those who were holding your breath may >exhale now. Perhaps an Iron Horse date will materialize but why would he >come back up here? It would make more sense to come after Albany. notice too, that there are two nights at tt the bear's in boston on march 21 and 22. there is a lull between new york and boston, so there is chronological space for an iron horse show. northampton is kinda sorta on the way, at least the way i drive in the northeast. ;) woj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 97 08:23:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Can Of Bees >> I believe I now own almost all of the "major" hitchcock albums, but I was >> wondering about Can of Bees. I really like Underwater Moonlight, but I've >> actually heard very little about the aforementioned (what reminded me of >> it was Russ Reynolds "Ban of Keys" comment). Any words of advice? > >Hmm...It's nothing like Underwater Moonlight. It's punky. I don't like >it much. I consider it the great disposable Hitchcock album. Don't pay any attention to this rubbish! (no offense, Terry). A Can of Bees is a mighty fine piece of work. True, it's much harder edged than Moonlight, but there are some brilliant tracks. Human Music, Return of the Sacred Crab, Leppo, Betty...The instrumentation on CoB is much more complex and creative than on any album he's done since, and while the record itself is not as polished as most of his other offerings it offers great insight to the brilliant songwriting capabilities of Mr. Hitchcock. I've never understood why CoB seems to get no respect on this list. -russ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 97 13:07:25 -0600 (CST) From: songbird@airmail.net (Stefanie A. Newton) Subject: Robyn Hitchcock tour dates > 02/22/97 Nashville, TN Bluebird Cafe > 02/24/97 Athens, GA 40 Watt Club > 02/25/97 Atlanta, GA Point > 02/26/97 Atlanta, GA Point > 02/28/97 Winston-Salem, NC Ziggy's > 03/01/97 Greenville, SC Gunter Center > 03/03/97 Carrboro, NC Cat's Cradle > 03/05/97 Baltimore, MD Eight By Ten Club > 03/07/97 Rochester, NY Milestones > 03/08/97 Albany, NY Park West > 03/11/97 New York, NY Knitting Factory What!!! No Texas!!! I have not seen ANY Texas dates ... And now not even a SXSW ... I'm crushed! Lurkingly yours, ---===] Songbird [===--- aka Stefanie A. Newton Songbird@airmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 13:08:08 -0600 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: Can Of Bees i've still not heard this album......... anyone have a copy they could copy for me? *grin* (i do favours in return, ya know.. would at least pay you back the postage. ;) LSDiamond At 08:23 AM 2/8/97 -0800, you wrote: >>> I believe I now own almost all of the "major" hitchcock albums, but I was >>> wondering about Can of Bees. I really like Underwater Moonlight, but I've >>> actually heard very little about the aforementioned (what reminded me of >>> it was Russ Reynolds "Ban of Keys" comment). Any words of advice? >> >>Hmm...It's nothing like Underwater Moonlight. It's punky. I don't like >>it much. I consider it the great disposable Hitchcock album. > >Don't pay any attention to this rubbish! (no offense, Terry). A Can of Bees >is a mighty fine piece of work. True, it's much harder edged than >Moonlight, but there are some brilliant tracks. Human Music, Return of the >Sacred Crab, Leppo, Betty...The instrumentation on CoB is much more complex >and creative than on any album he's done since, and while the record itself >is not as polished as most of his other offerings it offers great insight to >the brilliant songwriting capabilities of Mr. Hitchcock. > >I've never understood why CoB seems to get no respect on this list. > > -russ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My heart was broken, my heart was broken Sorrow Sorrow Sorrow Sorrow My heart was broken, my heart was broken You saw it, You claimed it You touched it, you saved it My tears are drying, my tears are drying Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you My tears are drying, my tears are drying Your beauty and kindness Made tears clear my blindness While I'm worth my room on this Earth I will be with you While the Chief puts Sunshine on Leith I'll thank Him for His work And your birth, and my birth. - Sunshine on Leith The Proclaimers ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 16:04:56 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: _glass flesh_ on sale New reduced prices on the tribute cd's. I still have a lot left! - Those who pre-ordered are entitled to a free cd for every one they bought. If you pre-ordered, really like it and know someone else who would, just let me know and I'll send you an extra. If you want to send me a dollar for postage, that's fine too. - Participants in the project can get copies for $5. That includes current participants, so fegbands take note and send me some tapes so we can finish the third tape. - Until March 15, you can buy it for $12. - After that, it'll be $15. woj is doing the web page and will announce the url soon. thanks to the kindness and trust of those who sent money early, mark and i are closer to covering the costs of the project. Let me know if you know a record store or magazine that would be interested in getting a copy. =b ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 16:30:06 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Glass Flesh URL remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/glassflesh/cd.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 17:00:58 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Assassin Subject: re: tour dates Is anyone planning on the Cambridge show? I'm out of this world for the Knitting Factory date, and so far, that show is my best choice. Reminder: 3/22/97. ========================================================= http://www.li.net/~gsa/index.html This is my signature file, not part of this mail message. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Feb 1997 17:02:07 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Assassin Subject: re: tour dates > notice too, that there are two nights at tt the bear's in boston on march > 21 and 22. there is a lull between new york and boston, so there is > chronological space for an iron horse show. northampton is kinda sorta on > the way, at least the way i drive in the northeast. ;) > Hopefully, Toads place in New Haven... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Feb 1997 22:12:09 -0800 From: Phil Edwards Subject: Triffids A very fine & unjustly neglected Australian band who made a series of albums of ever-increasing excellence for Hot, got a deal with Island, moved to London, made another couple of albums and split up. The albums to look out for are the (stammer, splutter, superlatives fail me) ***classic*** _Born Sandy Devotional_ and the very different but almost equally marvellous _In the Pines_. _BSD_ is a lush, beautiful album about suburban anomie & the wide open spaces (look, it just is, all right?). Anyone who's ever lived near a beach will weep at least once. (Can't vouch for the rest of youse). _ITP_ was recorded entirely in a woolshed in the bush; it's a lot more basic-sounding and includes some of the best & most faithful pastiches of Dylan, Lou Reed & the Doors I've heard. The singer and lyricist, David McComb (who's since done some solo stuff) combines a kind of decadent solemnity a la Jim Morrison with a genuine religious sensibility. He also writes some great lyrics & choons. _Calenture_ was the first of their two 'English' albums (the second being _The Black Swan_); good but a bit overdone. My first copy of _BSD_ was a cassette with a compilation of their early stuff, _Love in Bright Landscapes_, on one side; well worth getting if you see it. Not particularly RH-ish; as I was saying (or at least thinking) a while back, what's so unusual about RH is that his stuff lacks precisely that solemnity/seriousness/self-importance which most 'poetic' songwriters adopt automatically. Which enables him to write De Chirico Street or Trilobite without getting self-conscious, and makes Acid Bird or Queen Elvis all the more powerful. That's what I think, anyway. -- Phil Edwards amroth@zetnet.co.uk "So, you write the lyrics. Who writes the words?" - Chris Morris ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .