From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #25 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 25 Wednesday February 5 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Dylan Covers tape content discussion Re: FCC Internet Line Use Rate Increase Consideration not a lot of RH, if any - skip at will what's he doing now? Re: content discussion Re: not a lot of RH, if any - skip at will Re: content discussion [RH-0]: How big is yours? Re: content discussion iso egyptians at the edge (sf?) Question for Fegbands [rh=0] Re: Eurovision (no Robyn blah blah blah) Re: Dylan Covers tape (RH=100.00%) Re: content discussion (rh=dewey) Re: content discussion (rh=dewey) [RH-0] Content malcontents rh factor zero Edge show Re: Uglies For You No RH content (You were warned) Re: No RH content (You were warned) Re: No RH content (You were warned) Re: No RH content (You were warned) Sandie Shaw and the off-topic posts (R-content, 8%) Re: No RH content (You were warned) for wnat of a list ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 16:15:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Dylan Covers tape Is there a track list for the Dylan Covers tape floating around somewhere? I know I've asked this before and I'm pretty sure I've gotten a response, but I can't find the information anywhere. This'd be the Dylan tribute show Hitchcock did last year (Isle of Wight?) thx in advnc -rss ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 19:24:55 -0500 From: Alex Tanter Subject: content discussion When I posted my plea for consideration the other day, I suspected some people would get rude about the general assertion and I'm disappointed to see that I was right. I wasn't asking that people NEVER get off topic, I was asking people to keep big discussions that get out of hand in the private rather than the public sphere. I realize that it's interesting to hear about other things (but frankly I don't care what Robyn would do) but you also need to realize that there are people who subscribe to this list out of interest in RH and when there are huge, inane discussions that are completely irrelevant and continued by just a handful of people it is frustrating for those of us whose mailboxes get so full. I get the digest and last month there were quite a few times when the mailbox was half-filled with the digest and the majority of the posts were non-RH and, frankly, were not of interest to me. I just think it would be nice if people would be considerate and, if a discussion is getting dragged on and on and is irrelevant, email each other privately. Naturally there are going to posts, even ones about Robyn, that aren't of interest to individual people, and nothing can be done about that. But large discussions that are off-topic could be posted to other groups--maybe someone could even start a listserv for RH fans who want to have big discussions about non-RH things. The key word in all of this is "big." I'm asking that big non-topic discussions be done privately. I don't see why it's such a big deal. Marcy ------------------------------ Subject: Re: FCC Internet Line Use Rate Increase Consideration Date: Tue, 4 Feb 97 18:08:26 -0800 From: Tom Clark >> > >I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter currently >> > >under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has filed a >> > >with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your internet service. >> > >contend that your usage has or will hinder the operation of the >> > > telephone network. > >Dang. That's pretty keen of my local telephone company to do that. >It's even more impressive that they got everyone else's telephone company >to do this...Imagine James Dignan's surprise when he hears that his >telephone company has filed with the FCC for this. I didn't even think >that New Zealand Bell was affiliated with the FCC.. Do they even have telephones in New Zealand? -tc p.s. Bryan: I've showered, everything's cool now. Thanks! ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark "If you drink, don't drive. Don't even putt." - Dean Martin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:46:31 +1100 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: not a lot of RH, if any - skip at will >>Sweet Marie, Like a Rolling Stone, Tommorrow such a long time, blah, >>blah, blah in no fixed order: Tomorrow is such a long time; Desolation row (possibly the best 12 minute song ever written! AND it's the answer to the question I asked that no-one ever answered :( - ain't there any Warren Zevon fans out there???); It takes a lot to laugh, it takes a train to cry; Queen Jane approximately; Visions of Johanna; Percy's song; I want you (if only for the pronunciation of the word 'flute'); Man of peace; Everything is broken; Ring the bells; All along the watchtower (although I prefer Jimi's version); Don't think twice, it's alright; Subterranean homesick blues, Quinn the eskimo (the original cannot be beaten!), and My back pages (here, though, I prefer the Byrds cover). >I regret to say that the first CD I owned was probably Duran Duran's >"Seven and the Ragged Tiger", either that or Ultravox "Vienna", I'm not >too sure. Either way it's a little embarassing. do I get more kudos, or more pretention points, for saying Fripp and Eno's "No Pussyfooting" (3 months before buying my first CD player). First LP - hmmm. possibly Supertramp's "Crisis, what Crisis", although I also got Abba's "Arrival" at about that time. First one to move down 'the path less travelled' towards rewarding music was probably XTC's "Black Sea". Robyn came a lot later (although I had heard and enjoyed UM by the mid 1980s, when my collection was still pretty small). >Robyn clocks in 3rd in mine, tied with the Beatles at 8 (though if you >count Invisible Hits, that would put him one ahead), right after Miles >Davis (12) and Bob Dylan at an alarming 15. sigh. The following list includes CD eps/"singles" (how can you call sonething 45 minutes long a CD single???) Beatles, 15 (plus 2 solo); Hitchcock, R, 14 (plus 3 soft boys); Eno, B, 13 (plus major appearances on a further 19); Jethro Tull, 13; King Crimson, 13 (plus 8 Fripp or Belew solo, 11 more where Fripp appears); XTC, 12; The Church, 12 (plus 7 by band members); Simon, P, 11 (with or without Art - interpret this comment how you will); REM, 10; U2, 10 (plus 1 Passengers); The Who, 10 (plus 3 Townshend solo); Cope, J, 8 (plus 3 Teardrop explodes); Tangerine Dream, 8; Gabriel, P, 7 (plus 3 Genesis with him, and appearances on a further 3); Hunters and Collectors, 7; Pink Floyd, 7 (plus 2 Gilmour solo and 1 appearance by him elsewhere); Bats, 7 (Robert Scott also appears on 3 other CDs); Chills, 7 (plus one appearance on compilation); Cale, J, 7 (plus 2 Velvets, and appearances on a couple of others). six each: Costello, E; Cole, L; Curve; Stranglers; Byrds; Bowie, D (+ 1 appearance elsewhere); Bragg, B; Mitchell, J; Split Enz (N Finn, a further 3 appearances, T Finn, +2, N Crombie +1); Bush, K (+ 1 appearance elsewhere); Dylan, B, D.Byrne (with or without Talking Heads). >Susan >who thinks a girl needs a gun these days on account of all the rattlesnakes ah, but do you look like Eva Marie Saint in "On the waterfront"? A thought; a lot of bandwidth has been wasted lately discussing whether a lot of bandwidth has been wasted lately. Is it right or wrong to waste bandwidth discussing whether it is right or wrong to waste bandwidth? Is this something we should be debating? Now playing: "Right or wrong" - Stealers Wheel James ------------------------------ From: "Bayard Catron IV" Subject: what's he doing now? Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:05:39 -0500 >Actually, I wonder who/what Robyn is currently listening to--- does >anyone >know? Last time i was over, oasis was in the player--- but that's Michi's. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:21:55 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: content discussion On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, Alex Tanter wrote: > maybe someone could even start a listserv for RH fans who want to > have big discussions about non-RH things. No offense, but maybe someone could start a listserv for RH fans who don't. I would also suggest taking a poll (heck, if we can do the worst songs poll every six months, surely someone will want to poll on this ! ;) Off-list, of course. The worst thing you could do would be to post an obnoxious message about the off-topic topic of being on or off topic. No one seemed to like my ratings idea. it would be just like watching tv. you're just emailing along, minding your own business, when suddenly, "[RH-0] re:re:what i had for breakfast" flashes on the top of the screen... peace & harmony and little clear squiggly things, =b ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 21:39:42 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: not a lot of RH, if any - skip at will On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, James Dignan wrote: > ah, but do you look like Eva Marie Saint in "On the waterfront"? No, but I have been quoted as saying that all I need is therapy. Fortunately I found a slightly insane grad student/programmer who agrees with Lloyd that all I need is love is all I need :) :). Saved me quite a bit of money! > A thought; a lot of bandwidth has been wasted lately discussing whether a > lot of bandwidth has been wasted lately. Is it right or wrong to waste > bandwidth discussing whether it is right or wrong to waste bandwidth? Is > this something we should be debating? No, it's not. It's a waste of bandwith. Here's what we ought to do about it, straight from the man himself: Go, and seek ye the one known as Clint. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 21:49:39 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: content discussion On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, Bayard wrote: > On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, Alex Tanter wrote: > > > maybe someone could even start a listserv for RH fans who want to > > have big discussions about non-RH things. > > No offense, but maybe someone could start a listserv for RH fans who > don't. This is a real winner of an idea, I think. That way, those of us who are constantly straying would be out of the hair of those who are not. Unfortunately, this would mean more work for our poor beleagured woj, so I think he ought to be the one who has the final say about it. > No one seemed to like my ratings idea. it would be just like > watching tv. you're just emailing along, minding your own business, when > suddenly, "[RH-0] re:re:what i had for breakfast" flashes on the > top of the screen... The problem with that is figuring out how to do a relevancy score. Easy when it's "re:re: What I had for breakfast" or "Bob Dylan songs I like", but not so easy when it's things like Robyn/Dylan comparisons or Ray Davies' writing style vs. Robyn's, which are usually the sorts of things that lead some of us down the primrose path to passionate trysts with irrelevancy. Love on ya, Susan of the Lightbulb Eyes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 22:50:57 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: [RH-0]: How big is yours? On Sat, 1 Feb 1997, mr bean jeans wrote: > >So question #1: who's got the *smallest* collection? > > not me. i can guarantee that. seconded. woj has cd's on just about every wall of his house. it's one of the most impressive sights i've ever seen (yes, that's right, i don't get out much.) the most amazing thing is , they're all promos- ha! just kidding. (: [that's a reference to the first email woj ever sent me, about four years ago. he was explaining how he got the motw cd. ghod, this memory of mine is a curse...] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 23:09:17 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: content discussion On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, Truman Peyote wrote: > > This is a real winner of an idea, I think. Well hey, thanks! (: > Unfortunately, this would mean more work for our poor beleagured woj, so I > think he ought to be the one who has the final say about it. Oh, we couldn't assign a human to such drudgery, least of all woj. Perhaps majordomo can filter posts automatically if the poster specifies rh-social or rh-dataonly. > > > No one seemed to like my ratings idea. it would be just like > > watching tv. you're just emailing along, minding your own business, when > > suddenly, "[RH-0] re:re:what i had for breakfast" flashes on the > > top of the screen... > > The problem with that is figuring out how to do a relevancy score. Easy > when it's "re:re: What I had for breakfast" or "Bob Dylan songs I like", > but not so easy when it's things like Robyn/Dylan comparisons or Ray > Davies' writing style vs. Robyn's, which are usually the sorts of things > that lead some of us down the primrose path to passionate trysts with > irrelevancy. how about this: rh=0: Persinal stuff, like you lost someone's email address and need to broadcast a request for them to write you. rh=1: Fegdom issues involving us- our likes and dislikes, favorite songs and other interesting music, films, books etc of the non-robyn variety. rh=2: Fegdom favs regarding RH. rh=3: Questions about rh. rh=4: Answers about rh, usually information-laden. rh=5: Announcements about rh, articles, etc. rh=6: Tabs, Lyrics,and the such. rh=s: Social posts. rh=f: flames. That categorizes things, at least. The one obvious problem: It makes participating in the list no fun at all. :( It's also extremely silly, but I just had to say something as this dilemma has come up too many times and we're no closer to a solution. =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 01:21:34 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: iso egyptians at the edge (sf?) I'm seeking a tape of a show in the bay area. Details below. Interested in the performance of "grooving on an inner plane" cos I think it's pretty rare live, AND it has everyone chanting "wang bo" at the end! i have a lot of fairly amazing stuff to trade, if you're into that sort of thing. Oh look, even *I* forgot to use my new rating scheme. Fuck that, I guess. > Okay. The tape I got is labeled 'Robyn Hitchcock Acoustic At Kennel > Club, + Egyptians at the Edge.' > > Most of the tape seems to be the Kennel Club show. The part that I'd > call '+ Egyptians at the Edge' includes: > > The Wreck Of The Arthur Lee > I've Got A Message For You > Alright Yeah > One Long Pair Of Eyes > Grooving On A Inner Plane > Oceanside > > No dates or anything. The tape also has '1st encore + conversation > with Nancy Sin' and I think describes this part of the tape because > while this music is going on this guy is talking to a female. > > Soundwise it sounds like the pseudo-acoustic Respect (or pre-Respect) > tour. I do have to confess that I haven't listened to it for a while. > > I got the tape from someone who used > to live in the Bay area and most of his tapes tended to come from > there and he seems to have made this one himself. > ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 02:03:20 -0500 (EST) Subject: Question for Fegbands [rh=0] Just wondering...how do you get copyrights and so on. I'm very tempted to just start writing (c) Modern Lizard Music next to all my songs, but I've got a feeling that the US copyright system doesn't work on the same sort of basis as cattle branding.. Could someone tell me how this is done? [Especially: Do I have to do anything special to have it copyrighted under somethng other than my name (as I've noticed many fegbands doing.) And..why do people do that..is it just because it looks cool, or is there a legal reason?] Terrence Marks Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy -Seeking enlightenment through normalcy. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 08:51:59 +0000 From: am@enterprise.net (Aidan) Subject: Re: Eurovision (no Robyn blah blah blah) >I've never heard of this song. Is it a Katrina and the >Waves song or does he have a new solo album? If you've >actually heard the song, does it in fact cause one to >reach for the barf bag? I thought some of his early 45's >like "Stomping All Over the World" were pretty good. I'd guess him and Katrina, minus the rest. I haven't heard it, but if it's of Eurovision standard, I think we can safely prejudge it, don't you? (Just to clear up what the Eurovision actually is: it's to choose 'the best song in Europe' each year. Bear in mind that anything winning it is the type of song that sells well in France.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 10:43:22 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Dylan Covers tape (RH=100.00%) On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, Russ Reynolds wrote: > Is there a track list for the Dylan Covers tape floating around somewhere? I > know I've asked this before and I'm pretty sure I've gotten a response, but > I can't find the information anywhere.> > This'd be the Dylan tribute show Hitchcock did last year (Isle of Wight?) Not the Isle of Wight. The Isle of Wight show(s) included 'Thundering', 'Feels Like 1974', 'Queen of Eyes' and 'Beautiful Queen'. I understand that the Dylan show was at a London venue called the Borderline, but I didn't go to it myself. According to the set list posted by Bill Pannifer, the songs performed were as follows - I don't know if the record includes them all. The list does not appear to include 'I don't believe you', which I would have expected to be the second number in the second set. Robyn Hitchcock Borderline, London, *25 May 96* 1st set (solo acoustic): She Belongs To Me 4th Time Around Visions of Johanna ----------------------------------------- Baby Blue Desolation Row -- 2nd set (with band, Homer): Tell Me Mama Baby Let Me Follow You Down Tom Thumbs Blues Leopard Skin Pillbox Hat One Too many Mornings Thin Man Rolling Stone __ Dignity (semi-acoustic w/lead, bass) Queen Jane (w/band) Cheers - Mike (living 4 flights up but if feels like living underground) Godwin PS There is a Blue Oyster Cult / Hawkwind list whcih offers subscribers the choice of subscribing to only half the list, so it must be technically possible. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:00:43 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: content discussion (rh=dewey) On Tue, 4 Feb 1997, Bayard wrote: > > The problem with that is figuring out how to do a relevancy score. Easy > > when it's "re:re: What I had for breakfast" or "Bob Dylan songs I like", > > but not so easy when it's things like Robyn/Dylan comparisons or Ray > > Davies' writing style vs. Robyn's, which are usually the sorts of things > > that lead some of us down the primrose path to passionate trysts with > > irrelevancy. I have had a look at Bayard's 9-category classification system, and I don't think it addresses the problem above, which clearly requires cross-referencing of the rh:rz rh:rd rh:bw variety. Could all those librarians on the list give us a quick run-down of the way uncle dewey would handle this? I propose rh=dewey as the appropriate sub-classification, but I am open to other ideas... Glad to see that we are now having some really irrelevant discussions about the classification system {-: . - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 09:35:30 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney CC: Bayard , fegmaniax@ecto.org Subject: Re: content discussion (rh=dewey) Fegs all... Melvil Dewey was a freak of nature and should be avoided at all costs. Details will be gleefully provided off-list. Dolph ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 9:58:07 EST Subject: [RH-0] Content malcontents I see alt.music.fegmania is pretty darned lonely these days. Since there's nothing else going on there, it could be used for RH-only discussions, and might help recruit new followers. Yes, there will be spam and flames, but probably less noise to the RH-only minded than currently found on this list. Are there any people who object to the non-RH content who *don't* have access to alt.music.fegmania? We could crosspost high RH factor articles to that group as well, and maybe net a few more Robyn fans. Usenet might also be a more appropriate vehicle for RH news flashes. I was once in the RH-only camp. Now I've come to think of a lot of you as friends and thanks to you I've gained an appreciation for Dickenson, Cope and others. So what'd you have for breakfast? -- "Do you discuss Eric Clapton?" - RH Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:14:14 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: rh factor zero i've been mostly lurking lately while i deal with, y'know, a heap of bad stuff, but i'll speak up once more in favor of irrelevancy. what keeps me here is the sense that are real, complex, contradictory people on the other side of the modem, who occasionally have bad days and good ones, who read books i like and books i don't, who like bands i loathe and bands i love. i'll delete every fuckin post on pink floyd, but ya'll have convinced me to go buy a dylan record r 2 when i'm a little more solvent. i'm sure we'll all be much more ontopic when the flick is just about to come out, eh? d. -- oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug -- dmayowel@access.digex.net==dmw@mwmw.com==dougmhyphw@aol.com -- get yr recently updated pathos at http://www.mwmw.com/pathetic/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 97 13:23:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Edge show Bayard was looking for someone who had a tape of the Egyptians' Edge show in the Bay Area (I think they've only played there once). I'd like a copy of that too, actually. I have a few items to trade, or I can send a blank with postage. Someone from this list sent me a copy of their tape list a couple of years ago and I recall that it included the Edge show and had it rated very highly in terms of quality and performance. That person has a copy of The Soft Boys live at The 80's, NYC, 1981 which I sent to them. Is that person still on this list? -russ ------------------------------ From: Aidan Cully Subject: Re: Uglies For You Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 18:41:34 -0500 (EST) Truman wrote: > On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, Brett Cooper wrote: > > >If you're so upset about extra messages in your mailbox, just subscribe to > > >the digest form, where you can just scroll past those unforgiveable > > >non-Robyn messages. > > > > Why should I have to change what I do because a few people want to skew the > > focus of the list? Because people skew the focus of the list with the understanding that it is always possible for people to change what they do? > You didn't feel that way during the infamous Brian Wilson debate, I > noticed. But no use in dredging that back up. Woohoo! (not that I was here then, but I think that comment called for something like that :) > The real issue at hand is what a mailing list is for. Some of us (I'm > among them, as you might have noticed) really get into having these > discussions. Others don't. Both sides have valid points, and both sides > have been a bit out of line on this topic in the past. There's no > need But I like the VIRUS warnings! > > >I found the above post really obnoxious. > > For what it's worth (approximately 2 cents :)), so did I. > > > Oh really? And how do you think the rest of us feel who get messages that > > are totally unrelated to the focus of the list? Go rethink your logic. > > They feel that they should get the digest. That's what the digest is for. > Scroll past whatever doesn't interest you. Oh, and also, there is this > nifty thing called "delete", and when you see something that warns "no RH > content" or some such in the header (and perhaps some of us need to be > better about tagging our posts this way, mea culpa :)), you can > delete it but one of the complaints was the wasted bandwidth, and the people who pay for it.. I think this is insignificant (not being one to participate in discussions that fall under either category, and thus completely unbiased :) unless someone's got a really awful ISP which they have to pay long distance for and every additional kilobyte costs an extra $0.02 (I bet you people were all using that value figuratively :). > without reading it. There are ways to deal with what you don't want to > read, and probably those are better ways than attempting to restrain the > speech of others by lashing out at them, which is not only going to be > ineffective but also the cause of ill-feeling. And THAT is what will cause > the downfall of the feglist, not natters about Bob Dylan. err.. Warning, no RH content.. --aidan (no, the other one, with the little 'a') Hey, why not split the list up into two lists, posts to one get mirrored to the other (though not vice-versa).. Call them info-fegmaniax and announce-fegmaniax, or something like that :). ------------------------------ From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Date: Thu, 6 Feb 97 01:19:30 +0000 Subject: No RH content (You were warned) Item Subject: cc:Mail Text Isn't it strange that whenever we don't have much real RH news to discuss we fall to tearing each other apart. I guess the last biggie was the Brian Wilson thing. I think we have to recognise how nice this list is compared to any others (I have seen anyway) and leave it at that. I know I get bored silly with all the Dylan conversation and the Peake stuff, and so much other stuff, but as someone pointed out, it's probably there because there ain't much else to discuss at the moment. I think we also have to remember that the point at which relevance is no longer there depends on the interest level of the individual, e.g. RH discussion is OK, as is discussion of those who inspired him, those he worked with, people who cover him, people who have met him and have a brief tale, similar artists, other fegs tastes, their shoe sizes, (tell me at which point YOU tailed off). Why don't those who are fed up with the off-topic stuff start a new thread instead of complaining? I hate writing crap like this because it seems so arrogant when I'm doing it, but this is (as someone else also said) the last mailing list I have anything to do with and I don't want it to change. (Maybe we can all meet here at a prearranged time and simultaneously group hug our monitors.) As Susan (amongst others) says "Love On Ya" () ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 20:52:30 +0000 From: Bret Subject: Re: No RH content (You were warned) At 01:19 AM 2/6/97 +0000, you wrote: > I think we have to recognise how nice this list is compared to any > others (I have seen anyway) and leave it at that. I know I get bored > silly with all the Dylan conversation and the Peake stuff, and so much > other stuff, but as someone pointed out, it's probably there because > there ain't much else to discuss at the moment. speaking of which, and to keep things off topic a bit more (it is true, there is no RH info right now and unless we want to re-hash 'your fav RH song' again, the topic is bound to veer off course) the above makes me think, some of these names seem to show up on other lists that I am on....... what other lists are we on???? right now, it is just this one, and the Goodson (Nick Cave) mailing list.... just curious..... -----Bret bret@atdot.com **or my new email** comdotdotat@atdot.com comdotdotat@atdot.com bret@atdot.com bret@nkn.net bbolton@tymnet.com bret.bolton@mci.com bbolton@mci.net bolton@mail.gld.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: No RH content (You were warned) From: guambat@juno.com (The Guambat) Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 21:10:53 EST On Thu, 6 Feb 97 01:19:30 +0000 HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com writes: > Isn't it strange that whenever we don't have much real RH news to > discuss we fall to tearing each other apart. I guess the last > biggie was the Brian Wilson thing. Yes, we're all such wild dogs. As Nathanial Hawthorne once wrote, "The true nature of man is EVIL... except when he's being nice." Oh, bother--if you must know, Nathanial Hawthorne didn't say that. I think I was the first to say that, actually. But it isn't important because I'm just a nobody--no, worse than a nobody--I'm just a lonely guambat. Well, I love the list just as it is and, well, I LOVE YOU MAN! (obligatory beer commercial reference) And gosh sakes, I love that ROBYN! (getting weepy now) And furthermore, Robyn Hitchcock blah blah blah blah... THE GUAMBAT has spoken! guambat@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:54:33 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: No RH content (You were warned) On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Bret wrote: > speaking of which, and to keep things off topic a bit more (it is true, > there is no RH info right now and unless we want to re-hash 'your fav RH > song' again, the topic is bound to veer off course) the above makes me > think, some of these names seem to show up on other lists that I am on....... > > what other lists are we on???? > > right now, it is just this one, and the Goodson (Nick Cave) mailing list.... I'm on the John Cale list, and I've seen a few other fegs pop up over there (hi Bradley!). I also get the Kinks digest, where I've seen Terry and Aidan put in appearances, among others. Currently I'm trying to find a Roxy Music list- is there such a thing? Probably if there is, at least someone from this list is on it and can tell me if it's worth getting :). just cause you were curious :) Love on ya, Susan and to join the sentimental chorus, as Lyle Lovett once said, "I love everybody, especially you". Oh gosh. Hand me a kleenex, would ya? :) I guess I'll have to settle for clutching the keyboard though, as my monitor is too large for me to get my arms around. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:18:10 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Sandie Shaw and the off-topic posts (R-content, 8%) >OK, I'm a baffled North American, that's for sure (for God's sake, I can't >even tell when Robyn is joking :) ), but didn't Sandie "Puppet On A >String" Shaw partake in the Eurovision Song Contest? If so, then at least >ONE beauty came from it! Correct me if I'm wrong and flame at will. < True. Then again, it's a song she now refuses even discuss. If you interview her and mention that song, she'll walk out - you have been warned. Perhaps Robyn should cover it! (sorry, had to increase the RH quota somehow!). Hmmm... what would be the most unlikely song for Robyn to cover that you'd actually like to hear him sing??? The first one to come to mind for me (not that it's *completely* impossible, mind) is Bowie's "Heroes". >Dang. That's pretty keen of my local telephone company to do that. It's >even more impressive that they got everyone else's telephone company to do >this...Imagine James Dignan's surprise when he hears that his telephone >company has filed with the FCC for this. I didn't even think that New >Zealand Bell was affiliated with the FCC.. < erm, that's Bell South. And who the hell are the FCC? Finchley Cricket Club? >Oh really? And how do you think the rest of us feel who get messages that >are totally unrelated to the focus of the list? Go rethink your logic. < sounds to me like the other lists this person is on are pretty strange ones. On the XTC list, we've been talking everyone from Eno to Robyn Hitchcock. The King Crimson list talks Beatles, Bartok and Jethro Tull. The Church list talks GoBetweens, Triffids and Cockney Rebel. The Eno list - well, she's a strange puppy that one. Derek Jarman, Devo and Holger Czukay, last I saw. Even the non-music lists I'm on are pretty diverse. A list becomes an amorphous community with all sorts of interests. Robyn remains our binding thread, and as such the bulk of our conversation is about him. The rest is moire or less loosely connected with him or with the other shared interests of the listmembers - which means that often we talk "off-topic" because the offtopicality relates to other things that interest the list's members. Often, that will be other musicians of similar sound - I'd never have heard of Viic Chesnutt, or Martin Newell, or Barenaked Ladies, if it wasn't for the off-topic mentions on these lists. More often than not, off-topic posts are *more* interesting that on topic ones - there's just so many "this is the playlist from the Soft Boys at the Wapiti's Arms in East Grinstead in May 1977" messages that you can take before you run screaming from the room! James James Dignan, You talk to me Dept of Psychology, University of Otago As if from a distance ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St, And I reply Dunedin, New Zealand with impressions chosen from another time steam megaphone (03) 455-7807 (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 1997 21:22:37 -0600 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: No RH content (You were warned) just a thought, but one thing i've noticed is that there's a limited amount of information on ANY subject, and so lists like this get to a point where all one can do is change the topic till something new comes up (i.e., the latest album, concert, groovy shirt Robyn was wearing)... so why complain at each other??? *grin* after all, there's only so many times we can go on about which version of "My Wife and my Dead Wife" we like the most. anyways, just my 2 cents.. personally i'm ready to drop the whole complaint bit and talk about ANYTHING else, Robyn related or not.. LSDiamond ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My heart was broken, my heart was broken Sorrow Sorrow Sorrow Sorrow My heart was broken, my heart was broken You saw it, You claimed it You touched it, you saved it My tears are drying, my tears are drying Thank you Thank you Thank you Thank you My tears are drying, my tears are drying Your beauty and kindness Made tears clear my blindness While I'm worth my room on this Earth I will be with you While the Chief puts Sunshine on Leith I'll thank Him for His work And your birth, and my birth. - Sunshine on Leith The Proclaimers ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:34:39 -0500 (EST) From: mr bean jeans Subject: for wnat of a list also sprach Alex Tanter : >I'm asking that big non-topic discussions be done privately. I >don't see why it's such a big deal. the only issue i can see with carrying on off-topic discussions off list is that there may be interested parties who are not taking part but want to follow the thread. this argues for, as you suggest, some sort of chatty mailing list, which is a possibility. if we were to create another mailing list, however, i'd be more inclined to set up a news-only announce list. also sprach Bayard : >No one seemed to like my ratings idea. no offense, bayard, but subject header based rating systems suck. ;) it's hard enough getting people to agree what's on-topic or off. do you think we can get as unruly bunch as this to stick to a set of standard subject tags? also sprach Truman Peyote : >Unfortunately, this would mean more work for our poor beleagured woj, so I >think he ought to be the one who has the final say about it. eh, not too much more work. provided i could convince the almighty master of ecto.org to grant unto me another mailing list, this should not be a problem. also sprach Bayard : >Perhaps majordomo can filter posts automatically if the poster specifies >rh-social or rh-dataonly. don't think the version of majordomo running on ecto can do this (easily), but i'll look into it. also sprach Ross Overbury : >I see alt.music.fegmania is pretty darned lonely these days. yeah, but it's not commonly carried by most sites. for instance, rutgers does not carry it. when an old usenet backbone site doesn't carry it, that's a couple strikes against you. in general, though i am still a staunch defender of usenet's usefulness, i am also a staunch supporter of mailing lists for artist-specific forums. rec.music.info and rec.music.reviews are good places to post news and reviews, but fegmaniax/fegmaniax-announce are the proper places, imho. since bayard suggested a poll, i'll volunteer to tally the results. anyone who cares, please send me a note answering these two questions: 1) do you think there should be a sister list for fegmaniax? 2) should the sister list be a news-only list or a chatty list? please send your answers to me. thanks, woj ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .