From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #24 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 24 Tuesday February 4 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Uglies For You flesh on the way... mushy's digits Re: Uglies For You my Tape List Peake, Luminous Rose, 1969... Cheers Re: Pass the sick bag... Re: Strike A Light? (Little RH) Re: mushy's digits Re: FCC Internet Line Use Rate Increase Consideration Re: Uglies For You Re: Pass the sick bag... Re: Please, please, please...(RH content!! wooh!) how big is yours Re: Please, please, please...(RH content!! wooh!) Re: FCC Internet Line Use Rate Increase Consideration Re: Uglies For You ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:18:14 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Uglies For You >From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett Cooper) > >This is all great and beautiful, but you obviously have not noticed that >this mailing list is to discuss ROBYN HITCHCOCK. It is a real pain to have >to sift through all of this non-Robyn related junk when I get home and >check my e-mail. On the other list that I belong to, the Alice Cooper >Mailing List, people are topical; their messages are about Alice or >directly related to him. If they have other things to discuss, they take >it to private e-mail and leave everyone else alone. Why do people >subscribe to Fegmaniax? Let's see.... Maybe with the hopes of discussing >Robyn Hitchcock? Or let's see...maybe with the hopes of meeting other Robyn Hitchcock fans, to discuss whatever their little hearts desire (within reason)? And hey, could it be that Robyn Hitchcock fans have more diverse musical interests than Alice Cooper fans? Perhaps? D'ya think? If you're so upset about extra messages in your mailbox, just subscribe to the digest form, where you can just scroll past those unforgiveable non-Robyn messages. I found the above post really obnoxious. Eb PS I have more Zappa CDs (21) than of any other artist, for whatever that's worth. That's partly because I got them extremely cheap, however. I have 31 Dylan albums, but most of my Bawb stuff is on vinyl. Eb "Save it for the stage, Romeo" -- a late 20th-century sage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:29:18 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: flesh on the way... I've got a big pile of _glass flesh_ cd's packaged up and ready to fly. Discs in the mail tomorrow; the first wave, anyway. A couple questions: tlr: are you at home or school? let me know where to send it. ms. lindhurst: how many did you buy? i know i have it written down here someplace... just one? steve schiavo and peter palmer: please verify your addresses. If you like how it looks, send an email to Mark Gloster and Donne, they did all the work. They can be reached at rubrshrk@cruzio.com. The colors on the CD itself seem to have mutated to a peculiar lightish purple, but with a little luck you'll have it in the player 24/7 and never notice. Robyn rating .00001, but lots of friendly hellos, =b ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 21:51:05 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: mushy's digits Anybody have Mrs Wafflehead's telephone number? Mark and I need to work out these royalty payments. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:06:56 -0900 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett Cooper) Subject: Re: Uglies For You Eb reared her or his ugly keyboard and wrote: >Or let's see...maybe with the hopes of meeting other Robyn Hitchcock fans, >to discuss whatever their little hearts desire (within reason)? And hey, >could it be that Robyn Hitchcock fans have more diverse musical interests >than Alice Cooper fans? Perhaps? D'ya think? Totally irrelevant to the issue at hand. >If you're so upset about extra messages in your mailbox, just subscribe to >the digest form, where you can just scroll past those unforgiveable >non-Robyn messages. Why should I have to change what I do because a few people want to skew the focus of the list? >I found the above post really obnoxious. Oh really? And how do you think the rest of us feel who get messages that are totally unrelated to the focus of the list? Go rethink your logic. >PS I have more Zappa CDs (21) than of any other artist, for whatever >that's worth. That's partly because I got them extremely cheap, however. I >have 31 Dylan albums, but most of my Bawb stuff is on vinyl. Totally irrelevant. _______________________________________________________________ "Even after you lose your life, there's one more thing you can lose: your reputation." -Ashleigh Brilliant ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 1997 21:20:11 -0600 From: LSDiamond Subject: my Tape List i deleted my list of tapes!!! ARGH! whoever i sent it to, do you still have it and if so could i get you to forward it back to me? it wouldn't be any trouble really to re-type it, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut.... it's the principle of the thing! LOL Anyone? LSDiamond ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Where was I? I forgot the point that I was making I said that if I was smart that I would save up for a piece of string And a rock to wind the string around. Everybody wants a rock To wind a piece of string around. ~ They Might Be Giants - "We Want a Rock" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 03:30:39 -0800 From: Phil Edwards Subject: Peake, Luminous Rose, 1969... All sorts of stuff in here I'm afraid... > From: am@enterprise.net (Aidan) > Subject: Chinese > > Flogging a long-dead horse, can I just mention "Turkeys In China" by Fish > Turned Human? It may be a pile of shit, but it _was_ sung by Andy Metcalfe. Are we on to Subject: late-70s Cambridge-based obscurities yet? That's a discussion I *could* contribute to... > From: jpartridge@accel.com > Date: Sun, 02 Feb 97 23:08:49 EST > Subject: Uno question por favoro > > 1. Re the Peake thread: Mervyn wrote a short story about Titus meeting > the evil one. It was one story in a book of three and one of the > others was by the guy wot wrote Lord of The Flies (William Golding I > think) and the third was by C.S. Lewis. maybe. I'm a little fuzzy on > the third one. Anyway, the Peake story was outstanding; I recommend it > highly. More details! More details! > The sad thing about reading the Gormenghast trilogy was how it > chronicled Mervyn's mental deterioration. He suffered from one of > those progressive neurological diseases (Parkinson's I think) and the > last book required extensive editing because Mervyn had lost track of > pieces of the plot and it no longer cohered. Having read the first edition of _Titus Alone_ (itself heavily edited, but still weird-and-not-in-a-good-way in parts) I can vouch for this. Very sad. In some ways it might be best to pretend there was no trilogy, just _Titus Groan_. > Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 18:50:20 +0000 > From: am@enterprise.net (Aidan) > Subject: Pass the sick bag... > > >From the _Cambridge Evening News_: > > Local musician Kimberley Rew is really walking on sunshine tonight, Local paper journalists, don'tcha just love 'em? > Translations for baffled Americans: _A Song For Europe_ is a contest held > each year to choose the pappiest, dullest pop song in the country to be > Britain's entry for the dismal Eurovision Song Contest (previous winners > include Bucks Fizz, Abba and Celine Dion - Cliff Richard only came second), No quarrel with this part... > while the Samaritans are a mob of Christian do-gooders in Slough who > purport to offer "guidance to those in distress" - aka trying to convert > teenage girls upset over Take That splitting up to the church, while > wearing woolly jumpers, voting Liberal and being insufferably smug. ...but this seems pointlessly & offensively inaccurate (they don't "offer guidance", let alone trying to convert people to Xtianity). Harumph, as somebody said. > > From: "Baker, David(PIN-C09)" > Subject: Re: harumph! > Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 19:03:22 -0500 > > >> ...anyway, I was just contemplating how, indeed > >> ANYONE could not just love "Luminous Rose"??? > > >Well, yes, but Robyn's voice sounds nasally and grating and the song > drags > >on forever with that same boring chord structure. > > > >Terry > > And it does bog down the album, being sandwiched between two of the albums > grooviest moments: Balloon Man and Sleeping with your Devil Mask. Eee, isn't it great how we're all different and that. To these ears Balloon Man is one of the worst things RH has ever done, & Luminous Rose one of the best. Also, that's not the order the tracks are in on my copy... The flexi of Grooving on a inner plane/It's a mystic trip came with The man who invented himself. IAMT ends in a lock groove; GOAIP may do as well, but as it bores the pants off me I haven't listened to it often or recently. And finally: "welcome to 1969, hope you've been born". RH was 16 in '69: old enough to see some serious grooviness passing by, not quite old enough to get in there. (I can sympathise, having been 16 in '76). I think this mood, & attempts to recapture it, is quite important in RH's work, although offhand I can only support this statement with Acid Bird. Not having been born in '69 = having missed all that *completely*; but it's not a criticism, it's a self-deprecating reflection back on himself (look at me, fixated on a time my audience never even lived through). Compare the comment after Acid Bird on _Hen_. Phil temporarily sigless ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 03:41:30 -0500 (EST) Subject: Cheers Dear Phil and Fegs, << Not having been born in '69 = having missed all that *completely*; but it's not a criticism, it's a self-deprecating reflection back on himself (look at me, fixated on a time my audience never even lived through). Compare the comment after Acid Bird on _Hen_.>> Thanks to all who contributed to this discussion. Based on all of your feelings, I think it is fair to say that I was reading Robyn all wrong. That make sense, actually, because reading his comments "... before you were born..." as a slight to the audience goes against everything else I know about him (that is to say, he's a very pleasant dude and pretty self deprecating). In other words, thanks for setting me straight. I'm willing to leave this thread now... (come on, let a guy save a *little* face, will ya?!). :) Sincerely, Jay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:35:58 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Pass the sick bag... On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, Aidan wrote: > From the _Cambridge Evening News_: > > Local musician Kimberley Rew is really walking on sunshine tonight, after > his song 'Strike A Light' was selected as en entry for A Song For Europe. > Translations for baffled Americans: _A Song For Europe_ is a contest held > each year to choose the pappiest, dullest pop song in the country to be > Britain's entry for the dismal Eurovision Song Contest (previous winners > include Bucks Fizz, Abba and Celine Dion - Cliff Richard only came second), Yes, but it was with the ever-memorable 'Congratulations'. And what about that memorable polyphonic extravaganza 'Boom Bang a Bang' by Lulu? - Mike Godwin PS And BF only won because of that routine with the velcro skirt... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 08:29:48 +0500 From: Ken Frankel Subject: Re: Strike A Light? (Little RH) I've never heard of this song. Is it a Katrina and the Waves song or does he have a new solo album? If you've actually heard the song, does it in fact cause one to reach for the barf bag? I thought some of his early 45's like "Stomping All Over the World" were pretty good. Ken PS: mandatory RH content: Rew played in the Soft Boys with RH ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 09:04:03 -0500 From: lobsterman Subject: Re: mushy's digits >Anybody have Mrs Wafflehead's telephone number? Mark and I need to work >out these royalty payments. its 1-800-REAPER, ask for Dean. :) sorry, its been a long morning. jbj /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/- John B. Jones e-mail:jojones@mailbox.syr.edu web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "condemned to hell for every sin but littering" -soul coughing \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ From: bryanm@doc.state.ok.us (Bryan Moore) Subject: Re: FCC Internet Line Use Rate Increase Consideration Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 10:19:18 -0900 > Subject: FCC Internet Line Use Rate Increase Consideration > Date: Tuesday, February 04, 1997 6:34 AM > > Recieved this today and thought that it might be of > interest to you. The FCC mailbox is valid. > > <---- Begin Forwarded Message ----> > > > >Subject: FCC Imposed Charges > > > >I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter currently > >under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has filed a proposal > >with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your internet service. They > >contend that your usage has or will hinder the operation of the telephone > >network. > > > >It is my belief that internet usage will diminish if users were required > to > >pay additional per minute charges. The FCC has created an email box for > >your comments, responses must be received by February 13, 1997. Send your > >comments to isp@fcc.gov and tell them what you think. > > > >Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet so all our > >voices may be heard. > > > >Thanks for your time, > > > >Elan Amram > >DTC SuperNet > > > > > > > > > <---- End Forwarded Message ----> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 10:40:51 -0600 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: Uglies For You i forgot to send it out to the whole list, but it looks like things are going okay now.. Umm... i'm sorry, but i think that the flaming should *also* be kept off the list. I think that the occasional off-topic post can be helpful and interesting--i have enjoyed some of the off-topics... some of them i don't care for, so i just delete the ones of that particular thread. All this person was trying to say was that you could get the same information less cumbersomely, and wouldn't have to worry about it anymore. That is all. Not trying to flame anyone at all. LSDiamond ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Where was I? I forgot the point that I was making I said that if I was smart that I would save up for a piece of string And a rock to wind the string around. Everybody wants a rock To wind a piece of string around. ~ They Might Be Giants - "We Want a Rock" ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 12:46:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Pass the sick bag... <> OK, I'm a baffled North American, that's for sure (for God's sake, I can't even tell when Robyn is joking :) ), but didn't Sandie "Puppet On A String" Shaw partake in the Eurovision Song Contest? If so, then at least ONE beauty came from it! Correct me if I'm wrong and flame at will. Oh, I almost forgot... Roybn Hitchcock is the greatest. I love Robyn Hitchcock. Don't you think Robyn Hitchcock is cool? I like the songs of Robyn Hitchcock. I have several Robyn Hitchcock albums. I have a lot of Robyn Hitchcock rarities on tape. I have more Robyn Hitchcock CD's than any other artist. I think all posts to this list should contain the name Robyn Hitchcock at least 8 times in the body of a letter to the Robyn Hitchcock list Fegmaniax (which is a play on the album title Fegmania! by the artist Robyn Hitchcock). Enough Robyn Hitchcock content for ya? Sincerely, Jay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:08:29 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Re: Please, please, please...(RH content!! wooh!) > What are mailing lists and news groups all about--isn't it, > ultimately, about communing with kindred spirits? > > Because of the Robyn list, I've heard about other artists whose >work > I'd like to explore. I started reading Mervyn Peake! (insert >steadily > swelling violin music here) I've traded CDs with other >musicians who > I wouldn't have met any other way. All because of >non-Robyn-content > messages. And as God is my witness, I'll never go hungry again! > > Paula I'm with you 100% here, Paula. That's why I love this list, and that's why it's practically the only 'Net community I participate in (other than the usual lookin-for-work business that I am always forced to do!). This is a great place for like-minded people to discuss music and art and culture and yes, lots of Robyn-worshipping. Don't you think if ROBYN was on this list, he'd want to talk about something else?!?! Actually, I wonder who/what Robyn is currently listening to--- does anyone know? see ya! lj on the cd player now: "you like coffee and you like tea much more than you like me and everybody says whatch out yeah yeah for the sour milk-cow blues" -e.c. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 20:23:01 +0100 From: William Charles Scheckel Subject: how big is yours Being new to the group and all I hate to have to play the vinyl snob with a trump answer to Russ' question, but the Tiny Tim /Robyn single from Ptolomaic Terrascope was my 9,000th piece of vinyl. The last time I counted my collection was right after I bought it. I will probably never count again as it took forever to catalog all that. Sadly, Robyn does not rank anywhere near the top for most records by one artist in my collection. The winner there would have to be the Beatles (200 - 250) and Jimmy Durante (100-ish). One of these days I'm going to go through it and get rid of all the Eighties big-hair stuff - Japan, ABC, the Europeans, etc - and replace them with just about anything else. Will ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Please, please, please...(RH content!! wooh!) From: guambat@juno.com (The Guambat) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 1997 14:49:00 EST On Tue, 4 Feb 1997 14:08:29 -0400 lj lindhurst writes: >Actually, I wonder who/what Robyn is currently listening to--- does >anyone >know? The black crow knows (and Woj, of course) The GUAMBAT has spoken! ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Tue, 4 Feb 1997 15:56:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: FCC Internet Line Use Rate Increase Consideration > > > > > >I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter currently > > >under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has filed a > > >with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your internet service. > > >contend that your usage has or will hinder the operation of the > > > telephone network. Dang. That's pretty keen of my local telephone company to do that. It's even more impressive that they got everyone else's telephone company to do this...Imagine James Dignan's surprise when he hears that his telephone company has filed with the FCC for this. I didn't even think that New Zealand Bell was affiliated with the FCC.. > > >It is my belief that internet usage will diminish if users were required > > >pay additional per minute charges. The FCC has created an email box for > > >your comments, responses must be received by February 13, 1997. Send > > >comments to isp@fcc.gov and tell them what you think. Hmm.. 1) Internet use is virtually indistinguishable from conversational telephone use. 2) This "Modem tax" rumour has been around for ages. It's never been passed. It's probably never going to be passed.. > > > > > >Please forward this email to all your friends on the internet so all our > > >voices may be heard. Please don't forward this to your friends. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 22:00:47 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Uglies For You On Mon, 3 Feb 1997, Brett Cooper wrote: > >If you're so upset about extra messages in your mailbox, just subscribe to > >the digest form, where you can just scroll past those unforgiveable > >non-Robyn messages. > > Why should I have to change what I do because a few people want to skew the > focus of the list? You didn't feel that way during the infamous Brian Wilson debate, I noticed. But no use in dredging that back up. The real issue at hand is what a mailing list is for. Some of us (I'm among them, as you might have noticed) really get into having these discussions. Others don't. Both sides have valid points, and both sides have been a bit out of line on this topic in the past. There's no need to be rude about it and bash people for their musical tastes or refer to others' posts as "junk". Also, I think there's a difference between making a polite request, as Marcy did, and spouting out vituperative flamebait. Marcy had a valid point, and it's true that some of us could edit themselves a bit (I'm one of the worst about it, so I'm trying to bear it in mind for future posts), but it's posts like hers that convince me to do it, not those that are the email equivalent of mean-spirited bitching. Generally speaking, you catch more flies with honey, and people are more likely to do what you ask if you ask nicely. > >I found the above post really obnoxious. For what it's worth (approximately 2 cents :)), so did I. > Oh really? And how do you think the rest of us feel who get messages that > are totally unrelated to the focus of the list? Go rethink your logic. They feel that they should get the digest. That's what the digest is for. Scroll past whatever doesn't interest you. Oh, and also, there is this nifty thing called "delete", and when you see something that warns "no RH content" or some such in the header (and perhaps some of us need to be better about tagging our posts this way, mea culpa :)), you can delete it without reading it. There are ways to deal with what you don't want to read, and probably those are better ways than attempting to restrain the speech of others by lashing out at them, which is not only going to be ineffective but also the cause of ill-feeling. And THAT is what will cause the downfall of the feglist, not natters about Bob Dylan. Love on ya, Susan ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .