From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #20 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 20 Thursday January 30 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Chinese Re: My final word... or Miles said it best! Re: Floyd & Big Star's divinity Re: never played live Re: introduction robyn tour dates Re: just about everything (except Robyn) News Flash (maybe) Favorite Dylan? Re: News Flash (maybe) Re: Favorite Dylan? Re: Favorite Dylan? Re: Tortured genius & crustaceans Re: Favorite Dylan? Robyn / Demme article; Big Star ruminations More BS BS... Re: Chinese Robyn's Dylan show CD - anyone need one? Re: Acoustic Guitar article & Devil's Radio Re: Favorite Dylan? Re: Robyn / Demme article; Big Star ruminations AOL SPINonline features Robyn Re: Robyn / Demme article; Big Star ruminations Re: Robyn / Demme article; Big Star ruminations Re: AOL SPINonline features Robyn Re: Favorite Dylan? (an allow me to intro. myself) Bobby D. Re: Robyn / Demme article; Big Star ruminations Re: AOL SPINonline features Robyn E-Town Show tricky robyn reference? Grooving On An Inner Plane Re: Grooving On An Inner Plane Re: AOL SPINonline features Robyn Re: Grooving On An Inner Plane _GF_ CD release party! Pink Chinese rain falls up (Robyn rating, 0) Re: _GF_ CD release party! Re: tricky robyn reference? Re: tricky robyn reference? Re: tricky robyn reference? SYD Rude? Underwater Moonlight cover Re: Favorite Dylan? Re: tricky robyn reference? Re: Underwater Moonlight cover How big is yours? Re: Rude? Re: Grooving On An Inner Plane Re: How big is yours? Deuling Dylans Re: How big is yours? How big is yours? Re: Devil's Radio & Ripoffs Re: Rude? Re: Rude? Jocelyn Pook Re: How big is yours? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 16:54:40 +1100 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Chinese Chinese laundry Blues, by George Formby James (who is currently basking in 25 degrees - celsius, that is. But don't worry folks, soon you can laugh at me freezing my patooties off while you sunbathe...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 21:56:38 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: My final word... or Miles said it best! On Tue, 28 Jan 1997 Hedblade@aol.com wrote: > Miles, in his wisdom, said: > > << the Robyn = Syd comparison is too easy, and way too limiting -- Robyn is > so much more than just Syd's successor, and IMO, far greater of an artist in > reach and grasp than Syd ever was even in his _Piper_ heyday.>> Actually, I would argue that Robyn is in fact DYLAN'S successor much more than he is Syd's. I can see quite a few more career parallels between him and Dylan, and more artistic parallels as well (the most obvious being "Eye" as Robyn's "Blood on the Tracks"- there is nothing in the Barrett catalog that even comes close to matching these two albums in emotional intensity and honesty, IMHO). And intellectually speaking, there really is no question that Dylan and Hitchcock are closer to each other than either is to Barrett. > HERE, HERE. Can I say it again? Robyn is far greater of an artist in reach > and grasp. Syd was pure and raw and beautiful, but Robyn has managed > longevity which in art and expression, is an art in itself. By the way, his > material is getting better and better with age in case you didn't notice, and > as he ages the comparrisons to Syd are not just too easy, but without merit. I don't know that the material is getting better, necessarily. But it is has gotten deeper and more personal with the years, which to me is the hallmark of a mature artist and songwriter who is very far from having exhausted his creative energies. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 14:16:37 +0100 (CET) From: James Isaacs Subject: Re: Floyd & Big Star's divinity On Sun, 26 Jan 1997, Dollymop wrote: > > > PS I like Big Star's "Radio City" and "Sister Lovers" better than pretty > > > much anything by Robyn Hitchcock. So there. > > > > Obviously you've been reading that great classic "One Hundred and One Ways > > To Start A Fight", by an Irish gentleman whose name eludes me. Do you happen to have a copy of "The Adventures of Flight Lieutenant Gladys Stoat-Pamphlet and her intrepid terrier, Stig?" (sic) James ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 1997 13:59:26 +0100 (CET) From: James Isaacs Subject: Re: never played live On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Bayard wrote: > mellow together-I saw RH do this live in 1990, Cincinnati. James ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:52:21 +0100 (CET) From: James Isaacs Subject: Re: introduction On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, William Charles Scheckel wrote: > Hi, > I just signed on to the group and thought I'd introduce myself. I'm an > American living in Germany, married, working on a PhD and a seemingly lone > fan of Robyn Hitchcock. By lone I mean I know nobody (except my wife) who > has ever even heard of him. Frustrating. But that's why I signed on. > > I've seen Robyn live twice. Once in Chicago in 90 or 91 and once here in > Germany. I had the chance to meet up with and chat with Robyn after his > concert in Frankfurt in October. There were only 23 people there, including > the girl behind the bar, the sound guy and Robyn. (He played the same songs > he played in Berlin for anyone who saw him or has a tape of him at > Quasimodo.) Anyway, the tickets were part of my wife's birthday present and > he wished her a happy birthday three times, chatted about working with Peter > Buck and the film with Johnathan Demme, how he hoped WB would try to move > his album at the beginning of this year, touring alone and how frustrating > it is to be stuck on a train (there was a seven hour delay on his train > because of track damage and he showed up an hour after the show was supposed > to have started.) > We joked and chatted for a good 45 minutes at which point he had to find his > hotel, and we had to get home. He was so friendly and funny, we could have > talked to him all night, and on our way home my wife and I kept saying to > each other that it's great knowing that that money we spend on records is > going to a person you actually really like, not just a cool musician. > > Though I was now a signed Queen Elvis CD and a good memory wealthier, real > frustration set in the next day when I realized I had no one to tell my > story to - nobody who would say "Robyn Hithcock! Cool!" But like I said, > that's why I signed on. > Looking forward to joining in. > > Will Hey Will, you think you got it bad. I am living the lonely life of a Feg in Germany also. I am in Heidelberg. I was at that concert in Frankfurt and I did not get to speak to RH that night, because he stayed in that little room with Tim for what seemed to be 42 hours. I however did get a tape of the show. I would have stayed vigil outside that door for the necessary 42 hours, but I had a train that I was extremely late for, and somehow it was also extremely late. At least you can say now you know one other RH fan in Baden-Württemburg. James ------------------------------ Subject: robyn tour dates Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 08:19:35 -0500 From: Thomas Narten Cat's Cradle here in NC lists Robyn appearing on March 4. Thomas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 15:46:02 +0100 (CET) From: James Isaacs Subject: Re: just about everything (except Robyn) On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > > On Mon, 27 Jan 1997, Dolph Chaney wrote: > > > Adding to the esteemed Mr. Dignan's additions to Rex's query, posited > > thusly: > > > > Forget not various songs from Japan's TIN DRUM, most directly "Visions > > of China," but peripherally including (sort of) "Canton" and "Cantonese > > Boy". > > There's a Paul Kantner song which goes something like: > > 'Let me tell you 'bout a man I know > Rode the length and breadth of China > On a horse that he made himself > >From the bark of a tree in mainland China' > > You might also consider > 'Hong Kong Blues' by Hoagy Carmichael > 'She's the Sheriff of Hong Kong' by Captain Beefheart > > - Mike Godwin > > PS Talking of the bark of a tree: > > If quinine = the bark of a tree, > does canine = the bark of a dog? > > And do not forget "China Pig", also by the boloved Captain. James ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:12:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: News Flash (maybe) Hi Fegs! Forgive me if this was already posted, but I certainly never saw it if it was! I picked up a magazine this past Saturday (Chicago Fegs- I found it at Reckless and they had several copies) called Pop Culture Press. It's got our man on the cover and includes a disc that includes Robyn's recording of "Caroline Says" from the CBC, Vancouver radio broadcast. Other tracks on the disc from The Loud Family, Lemongrowers, The Cardigans, but most are not exclusives. The issue is #40, but I couldn't find a month on the damn thing anywhere. Here's the web address: http://monsterbit.com/pcp/pcp e-mail - pcp@monsterbit.com I hope this isn't old news! Sincerely, Jay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:15:37 -0500 From: JSB Subject: Favorite Dylan? With all of this talk about Dylan, i've started listening to him a good bit again. I have three of his disks. "Bringing It all Back Home", "Blood On The Tracks", and "Oh Mercy". I love all three. I'm wondering what anyone would recommend me to pick up next. Scott tocs@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 22:47:44 -0600 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: News Flash (maybe) At 11:12 PM 1/28/97 -0500, Hedblade@aol.com wrote: >I picked up a magazine this past Saturday (Chicago Fegs- I found it at >Reckless and they had several copies) called Pop Culture Press. It's got our >man on the cover and includes a disc that includes Robyn's recording of >"Caroline Says" from the CBC, Vancouver radio broadcast. > >Other tracks on the disc from The Loud Family, Lemongrowers, The Cardigans, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Quick Loud Family blurb -- the various works of Scott Miller, the Loud Family's singer/writer, might be quite agreeable to those of you in Fegland, if your tastes run to the power pop side of things, and lyrics that practically require prerequisites don't put you off. Scott's music is hard to describe, though pal Stewart Mason's attempt ("the bastard love child of Paul McCartney and Thomas Pynchon") comes damn close. Their latest, _Interbabe Concern_, is widely available (well, as widely as an Alias Records release can be), and is the most fantabulous thing Scott's done since former band Game Theory's magnum opus, 1987's _Lolita Nation_. And if you spot a CD of the latter anywhere, snatch it up and send it to me. Later, Miles ====================================================================== "I don't know a single damn thing 'bout these words or the world or the feelings that force me to sing" -- Anton Barbeau, "Heather Song" Miles Goosens goosenmk@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:54:31 -0800 (PST) From: Dollymop Subject: Re: Favorite Dylan? Hmmm, let me think.... Blonde on Blonde, Blonde on Blonde, Blonde on Blonde, Blonde on Blonde, have you thought about Blonde on Blonde, what about Blonde on Blonde, I can't help but recommend Blonde on Blonde, you know, call me crazy, but I say Blonde on Blonde... > With all of this talk about Dylan, i've started listening to him a good bit > again. I have three of his disks. "Bringing It all Back Home", "Blood On > The Tracks", and "Oh Mercy". I love all three. I'm wondering what anyone > would recommend me to pick up next. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:01:40 -0600 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: Favorite Dylan? At 11:15 PM 1/28/97 -0500, JSB wrote: >With all of this talk about Dylan, i've started listening to him a good bit >again. I have three of his disks. "Bringing It all Back Home", "Blood On >The Tracks", and "Oh Mercy". I love all three. I'm wondering what anyone >would recommend me to pick up next. Well, at the risk of starting one of them off-topic shouting wars (gosh, I hope 1997 goes more harmoniously than 1996 around here!), _Highway 61 Revisited_ or _Blonde on Blonde_ are the next logical choices. Put 'em with BIABH, my favorite, and you've got a trio of albums that Dylan's never comes close to equalling in subsequent years. You already have his two best post-'60s albums, hooray for you! Other worthwhile Dylan picks: John Wesley Harding (though I like it less than most folks) Slow Train Coming Infidels Or if you're feeling indecisive, you can't go wrong with _Greatest Hits Vol. II_, songs handpicked by Dylan, and my favorite thing to use as an introduction to his Bobness. Later, Miles ====================================================================== "I don't know a single damn thing 'bout these words or the world or the feelings that force me to sing" -- Anton Barbeau, "Heather Song" Miles Goosens goosenmk@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 20:59:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Tortured genius & crustaceans >From: M R Godwin > >...sometime in 1969/70, Syd stopped being >interested in finishing songs off. The ideas were still coming through, >but the discipline to tidy them up just fell away. Which brings us back to the dreaded "Brian Wilson is/is not a genius" thread, eh? ;) Regarding Susan's comment about more trilobyte songs, there was another trilobite song a few years ago. I can't remember the group's name, but I'm pretty sure the song was on Chameleon Records and that the group was sort of like a mom and her two daughters??? Help, anyone? Eb --------------------- "Save it for the stage, Romeo" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 1997 23:57:34 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Favorite Dylan? On Tue, 28 Jan 1997, Outdoor Miner wrote: > Well, at the risk of starting one of them off-topic shouting wars (gosh, > I hope 1997 goes more harmoniously than 1996 around here!), _Highway 61 > Revisited_ or _Blonde on Blonde_ are the next logical choices. Put > 'em with BIABH, my favorite, and you've got a trio of albums that Dylan's > never comes close to equalling in subsequent years. You already have his > two best post-'60s albums, hooray for you! I third Blonde on Blonde :). And I disagree about those being two of the best post 60s records. Blood on the Tracks, yeah, can't argue with that. But "Oh Mercy" better than "Desire"? No effin' way. I also think maybe you're slighting "New Morning" a bit, since I think that's a much stronger record than "Oh Mercy" (hard to argue with a record that contains "Time Passes Slowly", "Father of Night", AND "Sign on the Window", among others). But "Desire" is the main thing here. I just can't say enough about "Desire". One of my all-time favorite records EVER. > Other worthwhile Dylan picks: > > John Wesley Harding (though I like it less than most folks) YEAH! I love John Wesley Harding. > Slow Train Coming > Infidels Now, I would say that IMHO, these two are iffier. There are a couple of fabulous songs on Infidels ("Jokerman" rules!), but overall it's reeeeeally spotty. And I have a suspicion that the gospel content of STC might be off-putting to some (doesn't bother me, I just think it's weak, but I thought that should be mentioned). I also think that Infidels is something to pick up after you are well familiar with the seminal sixties and seventies "triumvirates" (Home, 61, and Blonde on Blonde and Blood on the Tracks, Planet Waves, Desire), because I think that part of its strength is the way Dylan plays with his own mythology and image in songs like "Jokerman", and you won't be able to pick up on that as well if you aren't familiar with the "canon". In fact, that brings me to something I've always wondered about. Namely, how come Dylan albums always seem to come in sets of three? It's really odd. I can't think of any other artist just offhand whose works can be grouped so naturally into trilogies or any 'logies, for that matter, with so little contention. Love on ya, Susan P.S. DESIRE! DESIRE! DESIRE! GET DESIRE! NOW! :) ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 02:13:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: Robyn / Demme article; Big Star ruminations Whew... lots going on here. 1) BIG BIG BIG feature on the Robyn / Demme film in this week's LA Times Sunday Calendar section. Photo and everything. Please don't make me transcribe it. Basically, there was a lot of background bio on both Robyn and Demme. No mention of the Tom Hanks/ "That Thing You Do" connection-- the film project was framed as a labor of love on Demme's part after a particularly inspiring Robyn solo gig. Of interest only to film industry geeks such as myself, the film, provisionally titled "Storefront Hitchcock", is set to be released theatrically by Orion in the fall of this year. If I, for some godforsaken reason, am still working for the same company (which shares a "parent company" with Orion) at that time, I'll let you guys know the Hollywood reaction to advance screenings, etc... Some guy from Warners was interviewed about the project and promised to throw a lot of support behind the film and its accompanying soundtrack. Believe it if you wanna. Robyn his own bad self had a few things to say. First off, he said that the "soundtrack" is likely to include material that isn't in the film... let's hope that it'll at least be similarly "live" takes-- those live / studio mixture albums give me gas. Secondly, he actually acknowledged his career as a series of ups and downs, and cited the film as a probable "high point" in public aceptance of his work. I've rarely heard him even admit to publically giving a damn about his popularity, so this was a bit of a shock. 2) Dan says: "Big Star seems to have two legacies: 1) The "perfect guitar pop" legacy that marks their first two albums and live recordings and 2) The Chris Bell-less third album, unreleased until many years after its recording, which I believe is now known as Sisters/Lovers." Whoops. "Radio City" is post- Chris Bell, Dan. I truly adore Big Star, and have been listening to them a lot lately. But just yesterday I picked up a copy of a CD comp called "The Ultimate Box Tops"... and, well, we know this is the label-induced stuff that Chilton did before striking out on his own, but you've still gotta ask-- WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE GUY'S VOICE?!? Before really listening to this disc, I had vague memories of "The Letter" and its vocal not sounding at all like my beloved Big Star records. But for God's sake, nothing Chilton did with the Box Tops even VAGUELY resembles the vocal signature of his later work. The only conclusion that I can draw is that, while developing his jangly guitar style, he aped Roger McGuinn's vocal style every bit as much as his guitar style. EXCEPT THAT he maintained that McGuinn- like voice on all of his later recordings, including the very un-jangly punk and pseudo- rockabilly records. The only comparably drastic abrupt shifts in vocal style I can think of are as follows: 1) Bob Dylan's mysterious and brief vocal transformation on "Nashville Skyline", and 2) Bernard Summer's shift from sounding exactly like Ian Curtis into sounding like himself. I am also a little nonplussed by Chris Hillman's transformation from the guy who sang "The Girl Who Had No Name" into the workaday country vocalist in the Desert Rose Band, but I chalk that up to an adroit career move. I guess I can understand why Big Star could seem underwhelming, but because they were sort of behind the times in their day, they hold up a lot better than many of their contemporaries. I mean, what else was going on at the time that doesn't presage the near- apocalypse of all that is rock. Recent evocations of the amazingly ever-increasingly wretched post- Syd Pink Fucking Floyd serve to illustrate this theory spectacularly. (Does anyone on this list actually LIKE any of that latter-day Floyd shit?) The gift of Big Star, to me, is their ability to play that Status Quo boogie style riff for two bars and suddenly land on a Byrdsy C2, and make it sound natural... cf. "Back of a Car" and the entire career of Teenage Fanclub. Flame me, beat me, call me Edna, Rex ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 02:54:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: More BS BS... Continuing on about Big Star, the other Broome (or am I the "other" Broome"?) says: "The thing that really gets under my skin about Big Star is the songs' "falling apart" quality. It's the same thing that's intriguing about Barrett, actually. Especially on Radio City and Sister Lovers, there's a jagged, irregular quality to the songs where you feel like any second, the band's just gonna end the song altogether, throw up their hands and give up. It's hard to put into words, but the strange way the chords and rhythm changes collide really thrills me. I once read somewhere that Chilton sounds like he's playing the guitar upside-down -- I liked that quip. :)" "I think it's a real shame that Big Star is most remembered for "September Gurls," which IS a very safe, conservative continuation of the Beatles/Byrds thing. There are many, many Big Star songs I like better than that one. And the funny thing is, often when people compare bands to Big Star nowadays, they're not comparing them to Big Star as a whole but essentially to the safe 'n' jangly "September Gurls." And this means that these folks should REALLY be comparing said bands to the Byrds/Beatles, not Big Star. I've heard very few (supposedly) Big Star-descended bands/songs that have that same falling-apart quality. In fact, the only one I can really think of at the moment is Matthew Sweet's "Divine Intervention" (the first song on Girlfriend)." Well, what kills me about Chilton is that as "falling apart" as "Sister Lovers" (whose title is, as Eric knows, a Byrds lift in itself) is, he got even further into it later on. I've only heard selected tracks from "Like Flies on Sherbert (sic)", but it seems to be an even more ragged document of self-hate that Big Star's 3rd. (nb. any leads on a CD copy of Flies would be much appreciated)... The line of descent from this movement is pretty hazy. Any modren rock songwriter person who cues into "Sister Lovers" is probably equally enamored of "Tonight's the Night", which leads us directly to the so-called "No Depression" movement, which owes more to the Replacements than the original source, IMHO... not that it's bad or anything... "Oh, and in this week's Sunday Calendar section of the Los Angeles Times, there's a big article about the Robyn/Demme film. I'm surprised no one else has mentioned it yet." Oh, I have... Also, as to that George Harrison "Devil's Radio", I remember it well from that scary period where John was dead and Paul was releasing "Press to Play" as the only marginally palatable Beatles offshoot of the time. Mind you, I was all of 17 years old. George based the lyric on a church marquee that he passed every day on his way to the studio- "Gossip: the Devil's Radio". Robyn's is much better , but I'd lay odds that the title derives from his having heard and subsequently understandably forgotten the Harrison song. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:03:54 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Chinese Chinese White by (?) the Incredible String Band - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 09:01:43 +0000 From: Clinton Golden Subject: Robyn's Dylan show CD - anyone need one? Howdy Just wanted to let you folks know that a local store here where I am has an extra copy or two of the "Bob, Rob, and Albert" (I think that's the name) CD in. If anyone would like one, I can pick 'em up. I think they're $25. Just trying to be of some service- clint ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 9:57:12 EST Subject: Re: Acoustic Guitar article & Devil's Radio There's definitely some babbling in "Devil's Radio". I remember it was done as as high speed monotone. Thanks, Susan for remembering for me that the song was about gossip, not talk radio. It's still too close for comfort. Hey, here's something more promising than "China". How many blatant rip-offs can we think of? There could be some relelations here! -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:49:03 -0500 From: mlang@inch.com (Matrix) Subject: Re: Favorite Dylan? Essential Dylan Records in order of quality: 1. Blonde on Blonde 2. Bringing It All Back Home 3. Freewheelin' 4. Highway 61 Revisited 5. Blood on the Tracks 6. John Wesley Harding 7. Another Side 8. Desire (Hurricane is so grand!!!!) 9. The Times They are a Changin' 10. Nashville Skyline >With all of this talk about Dylan, i've started listening to him a good bit >again. I have three of his disks. "Bringing It all Back Home", "Blood On >The Tracks", and "Oh Mercy". I love all three. I'm wondering what anyone >would recommend me to pick up next. > >Scott >tocs@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 10:50:09 -0800 (PST) From: "The TA formerly known as Chris." Subject: Re: Robyn / Demme article; Big Star ruminations On Wed, 29 Jan 1997 RxBroome@aol.com wrote: > company" with Orion) at that time, I'll let you guys know the Hollywood > reaction to advance screenings, etc... now might be a good time to write the reviews before they are written. perhaps, even a little list wagering for the closest content. given the high level of a hitchcock review's predicatability [sp?, not even close], my estimation of the content is that it will include the following references... mention of syd barret and of robyn as his successor brief mention of guitar-poet dylan, or something dylan-esque how different robyn is from the 'silence of the lambs' the word ramblings, in conjunction with 'between songs' the words, inseperable in this case, eccentric english[man] nothing about shirts; this finer point will be missed the words, in the same sentence, 'increasing' 'popularity' 'wider' 'audience' 'cult' 'following' perhaps [long shot here] a mention that the reviewer thinks or hopes that the 'elixir' is more/less intoxicating than the movie .chris ------------------------------ From: hollie_satterfield@mail.amsinc.com Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 13:47:04 EST Subject: AOL SPINonline features Robyn I received the following note on my AOL account, I imagine it was sent to all AOLers who mention Hitchcock fandom in their user profile. "Go to the Sounds area of the SPINonline Downlode section to get a full-length sound file of Robyn performing "I Something You" live, exclusively for SPINonline. The song was previously available as a 7-inch from K Records, but the live version is only available at SPINonline!" Once you get there there is a Windows sound file and a Mac sound file. The one I downloaded said: File:SUM.WAV (315988) bytes Estimated Download Time (28800 baud): < 3 minutes Download Count: 52 Soundclip of "I Something You" by Robyn Hitchcock sung live during an interview with SPINonline's Emily Steele. The single had previously only been available as a K Records single. It is a good quality 30-second clip. I forget which Windows application will tell me if it is stereo or not. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Robyn / Demme article; Big Star ruminations From: guambat@juno.com (The Guambat) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:58:42 EST Too true, too true... Don't forget the obligatory "flora and fauna" reference, not to mention the words "teeming", "psychedelic", "witty", "brilliant pop sound" and "non-sequitor". Who knows, there might even be a political allusion: "The kinder, gentler Robyn Hitchcock" That's all for me, The Guambat ------------------------------ From: bryanm@doc.state.ok.us (Bryan Moore) Subject: Re: Robyn / Demme article; Big Star ruminations Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:52:22 -0900 > Too true, too true... > > Don't forget the obligatory "flora and fauna" reference, not to mention > the words "teeming", "psychedelic", "witty", "brilliant pop sound" and > "non-sequitor". Who knows, there might even be a political allusion: > > "The kinder, gentler Robyn Hitchcock" What? No leeches? Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 15:56:05 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Assassin Subject: Re: AOL SPINonline features Robyn > File:SUM.WAV (315988) bytes > Estimated Download Time (28800 baud): < 3 minutes > Download Count: 52 > How about sending it up here? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 15:38:13 -0600 From: Gary V Parker Subject: Re: Favorite Dylan? (an allow me to intro. myself) Scott, I think someone mentioned Blonde on Blonde? Do get it right away. After first hearing, program your player to skip the first track, then listen to the rest of the album continuously for days on end (or, as I once did, until it ejects itself from the car stereo and sneaks out through the hole in the floorboard). You will become entranced and eventually acquire all of Bob's records Folowing that, you've had other good suggestions, but I'll add two: 1) I can't imagine a Robyn fan not enjoying _The Basement Tapes_. 2) _Under the Red Sky_ is a deceptively simple record that is regarded with derision by some Dylanites, but there is a lot there for the dedicated listener, including some very Robyn-esque moments (just what is "Wiggle Wiggle" about, eh?). 3) The Bootleg Series 1-3. A great overview of Dylan' career with some delightfully odd moments not found on other offical releases. (Okay, three suggestions.) Hello, Fegs. It took a Dylan quest to bring me here and a Dylan thread to de-lurk me. I orginially signed on to find a copy of the legendary Robyn does Bob at Albert's Hall gig. That was taken care of right away and I've been happily lurking ever since. And lurking is probably where I'll be, most of the time. Gary --who lurks around a lot; but don't be afraid... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 17:27:02 -0500 From: Paula_Carino@usccmail.lehman.com (Paula Carino) Subject: Bobby D. I realize we're talking about all-time bests and faves, for the benefit of the new listener. However, I think the all-blues-covers collection that Bob Dylan put out several years ago, the one with "World Gone Wrong" (that may be the album title, too), is amazing. It's the best album of his geriatric years, as he gets to make use of his disintegrating vocals and life experience. Buy it NOW--then make me a copy, cuz I leant mine out over a year ago and haven't gotten it back!! Paula ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 14:49:08 -0800 From: librik@netcom.com (David Librik) Subject: Re: Robyn / Demme article; Big Star ruminations >now might be a good time to write the reviews before they are written. The second paragraph will begin with "Hitchcock started his career with the legendary psychedelic-punk group The Soft Boys" and then proceed through the same old story, recommending albums along the way. Getting to write a Robyn Hitchcock review article gives the journalist/fan the chance to tell the Traditional Myth (like Homer, complete with stock verbal formulas) and mention the albums he's been trying to enthusiastically push on his friends for years. - David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 19:01:49 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: AOL SPINonline features Robyn I think it would be better to put the WAV on a robyn-friendly web or ftp site, I don't think things would work if it was uploaded to the list. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:51:26 -0500 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: E-Town Show Was anyone out there able to hear or tape this show? I'd be interested to hear what it was like, seeing as I MISSED IT! :< __________________________________________________________ Mike Runion Cocoa, Florida email: mrrunion@tng.net (home) email: Michael.Runion-1@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov WWW: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/default.htm "A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends, Drink another, coin a phrase..." -REM __________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 21:04:31 -0500 From: "T.L.R. III" Subject: tricky robyn reference? i bought tricky's two albums based on some raves by fellow fegs. . . anyone notice the line "she's on my knees" in "suffocated love" off maxinquaye? not that i expect tricky to have listened to robyn, but doesn't robyn sing "madam you are on my knees" somewhere? random thought, tom * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "questions are a burden for others. answers are a prison for oneself."* * --village sign * *tom's web page--http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/t/l/tlr121 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:01:09 -0500 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Grooving On An Inner Plane Forgive me if this has come up before... I have the Glass Fish cassette version of "Invisible Hitchcock", and, as opposed to the Glash Fish CD, it has "Grooving On An Inner Plane" as like track 6 or 7 on side A. But this is an entirely different version (vocals & music) from the one on Groovy Decoy (or Gravy Deco). And, to top it all off, the "Grooving" on Gravy Deco clocks in at like 5:10, vs. the Groovy Decoy length of 4:55. Hmmm...puzzling. Anyone have any info on this brainteaser? __________________________________________________________ Mike Runion Cocoa, Florida email: mrrunion@tng.net (home) email: Michael.Runion-1@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov WWW: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/default.htm "A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends, Drink another, coin a phrase..." -REM __________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Grooving On An Inner Plane Date: Wed, 29 Jan 97 18:03:40 -0800 From: Tom Clark Michael Poses: >I have the Glass Fish cassette version of "Invisible Hitchcock", and, as >opposed to the Glash Fish CD, it has "Grooving On An Inner Plane" as like >track 6 or 7 on side A. But this is an entirely different version (vocals & >music) from the one on Groovy Decoy (or Gravy Deco). And, to top it all >off, the "Grooving" on Gravy Deco clocks in at like 5:10, vs. the Groovy >Decoy length of 4:55. Hmmm...puzzling. Anyone have any info on this >brainteaser? There were two versions recorded. One was "Grooving On *An* Inner Plane" and the other was "Grooving On *A* Inner Plane". One had Matthew Seligman on bass, the other had Sara Lee. I don't remember the specifics at the moment. -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark "Once during Prohibition I was forced to live for days on nothing but food and water." - W.C. Fields ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 20:45:10 -0600 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: AOL SPINonline features Robyn how can i get this wav??? At 03:56 PM 1/29/97 -0500, you wrote: >> File:SUM.WAV (315988) bytes >> Estimated Download Time (28800 baud): < 3 minutes >> Download Count: 52 >> >How about sending it up here? > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Where was I? I forgot the point that I was making I said that if I was smart that I would save up for a piece of string And a rock to wind the string around. Everybody wants a rock To wind a piece of string around. ~ They Might Be Giants - "We Want a Rock" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 21:46:19 -0500 From: "Hal 'n' Carey" CC: fegmaniax@ecto.org Subject: Re: Grooving On An Inner Plane Runion, Michael R. wrote: > I have the Glass Fish cassette version of "Invisible Hitchcock", and, as > opposed to the Glash Fish CD, it has "Grooving On An Inner Plane" as like > track 6 or 7 on side A. But this is an entirely different version (vocals & > music) from the one on Groovy Decoy (or Gravy Deco). And, to top it all > off, the "Grooving" on Gravy Deco clocks in at like 5:10, vs. the Groovy > Decoy length of 4:55. Hmmm...puzzling. Anyone have any info on this > brainteaser? I can make it even more puzzling. This alternate "Grooving" can also be found on the "Invisible Hitchcok" vinyl LP. Baffling! hal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 22:10:11 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: _GF_ CD release party! OK, some of you had better come this time! ;) Here are some reasons why you'll have a good time: - Piles of _Glass Flesh_ CD's! - Lots of extra Rhino Reissues posters - I'll fix you a mossy beverage - My friend "Big G" is bringing a tape of his second 16mm film short, as well as a documentary he made on Super 8 about some crazy filmmaker friends of his - Rich's next batch of beer probably won't be ready yet, but I'll share the last bottle of his christmas brew with you (wow, it's good!) and most importantly, there will be lots of friendly fegs! Either Feb.1 or Feb 15, RSVP and let me know which. =b ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:10:44 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Pink Chinese rain falls up (Robyn rating, 0) >I believe that they included One of These Days. (at least they did it live >during most of that tour). some advice. NEVER, NEVER listen to this while driving (unless you're damn sure there are no cops with speed detectors around! "All the best cowboys have Chinese eyes" (Pete Townshend, album title) "Chinatown" (the Move, also another song with the same title by Thin Lizzy) "China Tea" (Russ Conway) "The Chinese Way" (Level 42) ...oh, I'm fed up with this. It's about time we changed the subject! "Spanish bombs" (The Clash) "Spain" (the Stranglers) "Blue Spanish eyes" (Al Martino)... (are there any songs with Tristan da Cunha in the title? or Tierra del Fuego?) >Umm...That's James from new Zealand having a barbecue on sunny Christmas >Day. They've got their weather upside-down in that part of the world. His >song "Cold July Rain" makes a *lot* more sense when you realize that.. < pretty strange stuff it is too - come down here someday and watch the rain fall up into the clouds... James The radio is silent, no long drawn out sad refrain, There are no feelings left, just the cold July rain... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 00:35:32 -0500 From: lobsterman Subject: Re: _GF_ CD release party! >OK, some of you had better come this time! ;) >and most importantly, there will be lots of friendly fegs! > >Either Feb.1 or Feb 15, RSVP and let me know which. I vote Feb 8th! I'll be there. I'm on a mission to buy that whole stack of _Hooded One_ boots at Record Convergence. :) /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-//-/-/-/-/-/-/- John B. Jones e-mail:jojones@mailbox.syr.edu web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones Internet Confessional: I watch "Boy Meets World" regularly. :| \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 01:53:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: tricky robyn reference? Written by: Terrence Marks Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy -Seeking enlightenment through normalcy. normal@grove.ufl.edu On Wed, 29 Jan 1997, T.L.R. III wrote: > > i bought tricky's two albums based on some raves by fellow fegs. . . > > anyone notice the line "she's on my knees" in "suffocated love" off maxinquaye? > not that i expect tricky to have listened to robyn, but doesn't robyn sing > "madam you are on my knees" somewhere? > It's from "Just Direct Me to the Cheese" aka "Cheese You" And I don't get what's so great about Tricky.. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 1997 23:25:46 -0800 (PST) From: Dollymop Subject: Re: tricky robyn reference? Hey, Gotta second the slam on Tricky. Saw him at the Phoenix festival in 95, sandwiched between Van Morrison and Bob Dylan. Thought he was really mundane. Plus he was petulant and abusive of the Bobfans. Next night I saw Robyn, though, and it was the first I'd seen him with Deni. Opening line (while we were abusing him over his shirt) was "welcome to 1969...hope you've all been born." Which of course I wasn't, but anyway. If anyone has a tape of that show I'd love to grovel and beg for it. -chad ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 02:41:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: tricky robyn reference? > Next night I saw Robyn, though, and it was the first I'd seen him with > Deni. Opening line (while we were abusing him over his shirt) was > "welcome to 1969...hope you've all been born." Which of course I > wasn't, but anyway. If anyone has a tape of that show I'd love to grovel > and beg for it. Hmm..I don't have the tape, but that reminds me of a tape I have.. Between songs, the audience starts singing Happy Birthday to him and he stammers and protests it. "Look...look, it's not my birthday. Do I look like a Gemini to you? No. I'm a pisces" I think that next gig you go to, you ought to get as many people as you cna to start singing Happy Birthday... ------------------------------ From: "Baker, David(PIN-C09)" Subject: SYD Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 02:58:27 -0500 I was away for the long weekend and have come back to find my mailbox full of Syd-related comment which I feel compelled to add my two cents, even if the debates have subsided now. Firstly, in regard to the remaining Pink Floyd members decision to veto the release of STLS and VM, I feel fairly certain that it is motivated by some desire to protect Syd's privacy. And while that seems pretty unnecessary and misguided 30 years on, I get the impression that it would still be a principle they abide by. (And, after all, Syd still is pretty big news after 25 years of doing nothing). For all their musical/ego sins, the remaining Floyd members have always shown a huge respect for Syd's abilities and indeed came to the rescue of his solo projects (which would have been very painful work) when everyone else gave up. Dave Gilmour was one of the closest people to Syd as he initially retreated from the world outside and has always defended Syd's right to the privacy which he obviously craved. On a similar point, Susan also mentioned (in reference to gradual release of Syd's material to maximise income): > I think this may indeed be the strategy at work. And I think it's Syd's >own. Remember, it's been a very long time since those days, and Syd is >considered to be relatively sane at this point in time. I wouldn't be >surprised at all if he came up with this particular stratagem. If it's >his sole source of income, it would behoove him to manage it cleverly, >wouldn't it? which is a nice thought but I don't get the impression that Syd is that together. The last I heard was that Syd had developed diabetes but, despite the consequences, he won't inject his insulin unless someone is around to make him take it. Recently, he didn't take for such a long period of time that he was found unconscious and is almost totally blind as a result of the neglect. As for whether the weirdness in Syd's material was a result of him being 'mad', I think that most of the weirdness is attributable to Syd's desire to be innovative and follow no rules. The less together he was, the more normal his material came out with the result that his final album was probably the least bizarre music he ever released. As for the Robyn vs Syd debate, I find that there is nothing in Robyn's extensive catalogue of songs that can really match Syd's most inspired moments. Syd never really made a 'perfect album' (Piper loses its way a bit in the middle section, Madcap had three songs which Syd wasn't really together enough to perform and Barrett had a bit of filler) but I don't feel that anything Robyn (or anyone else for that matter) has done moves me to the same extent that _Late Night_, _Terrapin_, _Long Gone_ or _Lucifer Sam_ do. And given that Syd had so little output, the variety of styles, music and moods that Syd managed in his brief time is astonishing. Robyn has managed to sustain a long and consistently excellent career and managed to grow and mature with his music, which is to his credit and our benefit but I don't feel that this is really an indicator of sheer songwriting ability. Finally, the fact that I see Robyn's music and songs as being closer to Syd Barrett while other people have seen Bob Dylan to be a closer comparison is probably due to the different things that each person gets out his music. (And it is worth noting that Syd was a huge fan of Bob Dylan, The Beatles and the Byrds - sound familiar?). Although Robyn makes no attempt to hide his influences, there is no doubt he is a highly original and multi-faceted artist. Nonetheless, there was a period when he did sound uncannily like Syd Barrett and even Robyn has admitted this. He stated once in an interview that he started to get quite disturbed because he felt like Syd was roosting in his head and coming out in his songs and singing. And he mentioned something along the lines of Groovy Decay being a bit of an exorcism for him. Definitely sounds like some form of influence! Phew! I feel like I've written an essay. More like my $2 than my 2 cents! Dave. ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 04:59:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Rude? Hey, you big FEGS! << Next night I saw Robyn, though, and it was the first I'd seen him with Deni. Opening line (while we were abusing him over his shirt) was "welcome to 1969...hope you've all been born." >> Our man has made this comment / joke several times in several ways over the past tour. The question is, do any of you find it slightly rude? I mean, in a way it always comes off as a sort of slam. The fact that many of us are of a different generation than Robyn (I was born in '67, btw) seems to bother him a bit, don't you think? Why else would he harp on the subject so? Now, having had the pleasure to talk to Robyn at length on a few different occasions, I can say that I don't have any evidence to suggest that he has ANY malice for his fans; in fact, he often seems quite fond of us all, and has always displayed a gracious nature when approached. That said, there is a slight barb to his tone when he repeats this line. Sure, it shows he is aware of his audience, but doesn't it say a lot about him as well? That his age is of no significance to a group of kids like us should please him, IMHO. And doesn't it suggest that he's being exposed to a new audience with each new release? By my math, those born in '69 would have been 19 when he toured with R.E.M. I don't know about you, but Robyn is one of a few distinct artists I'm still listening to from my college days (can anyone say Ministry, Bauhaus, or Nitzer Ebb without laughing?). Those born AFTER '69 are even less likely to "get it," if you consider that his airplay has been little since "Balloon Man." Robyn MIGHT get played on a AAA (ADULT Album Alternative) station if he's lucky, but Modern Rock / Alternative / Whatever they call it this week, wouldn't even THINK of touching "Alright Yeah" when they've got a new Bush record to drive into the ground. Is it not safe to assume that those born after '69 are most likely to listen to a Modern Rock station (it is their prime demographic, after all, and stats prove they're hitting the mark on that audience in spades)? With that in mind, I'm certain there are several Fegs here that are younger than myself. Yes, I'm being long winded here, and I'm sorry. It isn't something I'm losing sleep over, even if it appears so. The points are: 1) Do you find it kind of rude or at least a tad condescending? 2) Why do you think he does this? 3) Shouldn't it please him? 4) Is it just me? Asbestos in tact. Flame at will. Sincerely, Jay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 10:55:40 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Underwater Moonlight cover Further research reveals that my LP of Underwater Moonlight is not an original release, as I had assumed, but a release on the Living Cream label, number MOIST 1, marked "(C) 1986". This confuses me, as I would have thought that the copyright would date back to the original issue in 1980 / 81. The front has the aeroplane-fish on it, plus about five geese (one if which is carrying bombs), a cocktail and an ice-cream, etc, all in an attractive blend of green, orange and yellow. The back has a Soft Boys photomontage including a pic of Morris and Matthew and RH in a 'Help'-style starjumping pose, looking very much like Peter Cook in 'Bedazzled'. I'd scan it in if I had a scanner. - Mike Godwin. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:16:04 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Favorite Dylan? All these mentions of the 'Robyn plays Bob' record remind me that my favourite Dylan album is the 'Albert Hall' bootleg - even if it was recorded in Manchester. The only official release that comes close is 'Highway 61 Revisited'. Forgetting albums for a moment, which _songs_ do you like? My favourites are: Just like Tom Thumb's Blues Boots of Spanish Leather Tombstone Blues Like a Rolling Stone Tangled Up in Blue Ballad of a Thin Man Please Mrs Henry Cheap Tequila (whoops, that's by Rick Derringer) - Mike Godwin PS Quick quiz question: the riff of 'Obviously Five Believers' is nicked from another song. What is it? And who wrote it? (Thinks: I'll have to remember that title myself now...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 08:36:51 -0600 From: LSDiamond Subject: Re: tricky robyn reference? i've got that one.. wasn't that one broadcast as a "mystery" concert on the KALX Cabinet Tapes program? LSDiamond >Hmm..I don't have the tape, but that reminds me of a tape I have.. >Between songs, the audience starts singing Happy Birthday to him and he >stammers and protests it. >"Look...look, it's not my birthday. Do I look like a Gemini to you? No. >I'm a pisces" > >I think that next gig you go to, you ought to get as many people as you >cna to start singing Happy Birthday... > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Where was I? I forgot the point that I was making I said that if I was smart that I would save up for a piece of string And a rock to wind the string around. Everybody wants a rock To wind a piece of string around. ~ They Might Be Giants - "We Want a Rock" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 07:18:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: Underwater Moonlight cover >I'd scan it in if I had a scanner. > >- Mike Godwin. If *I* had a scanner I'd scan 'er in the morning I'd scan 'er in the evening all over this land ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 07:51:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: How big is yours? I got to thinking about the size of my record collection (aprox 850 LP's, 500 CD's) and realizing with Yurtle-like envy (bone up on your Seuss if you've never heard of Yurtle the Turtle) that a good lot of you probably have much larger collections. Then it occurred to me that you'd probably *have to* have a large record collection to have stumbled across Hitchcock in the first place. I can tell you that my first Hitchcock purchase was my 333rd album (UM, when it first came out). I'm interested in finding out which of us discovered Hitchcock at the earliest stage of his/her record collecting career. So question #1: who's got the *smallest* collection? Is there anyone on this list with just 10 albums on the shelf? 50? And I'm not talking about people who's ex-wives absconded with 1,000 albums, or those of you who've had to sell off everything to support your internet habits. and question # 2 (not counting the follow-ups to #1): Is there anyone who's *first* LP or CD purchase was a Hitchcock recording? 10th? 50th? -russ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 08:19:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: Rude? >1) Do you find it kind of rude or at least a tad condescending? no. but I'm a 1959 geezer. >2) Why do you think he does this? to get attention. >3) Shouldn't it please him? no. >4) Is it just me? yes. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 11:15:16 -0500 From: nicastr@mail.idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Grooving On An Inner Plane >Runion, Michael R. wrote: > >> I have the Glass Fish cassette version of "Invisible Hitchcock", and, as >> opposed to the Glash Fish CD, it has "Grooving On An Inner Plane" as like >> track 6 or 7 on side A. But this is an entirely different version (vocals & >> music) from the one on Groovy Decoy (or Gravy Deco). And, to top it all >> off, the "Grooving" on Gravy Deco clocks in at like 5:10, vs. the Groovy >> Decoy length of 4:55. Hmmm...puzzling. Anyone have any info on this >> brainteaser? > >I can make it even more puzzling. This alternate "Grooving" can also be found >on the "Invisible Hitchcok" vinyl LP. Baffling! > >hal This is the way it was originally released. Rhino moved this "Grooving" on to the reissue of Black Snake Diamond Role as a bonus track. ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 13:36:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: How big is yours? > So question #1: who's got the *smallest* collection? Is there anyone on this > list with just 10 albums on the shelf? 50? And I'm not talking about > people who's ex-wives absconded with 1,000 albums, or those of you who've > had to sell off everything to support your internet habits. I've got about 48. I'm planning on getting rid of a couple. > > and question # 2 (not counting the follow-ups to #1): Is there anyone who's > *first* LP or CD purchase was a Hitchcock recording? 10th? 50th? I think that the Underwater Moonlight CD was in my top 10, or at least 20 Terry ------------------------------ From: firstcat@lsli.com Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 15:17:58 Subject: Deuling Dylans Anyone want to wager which is going to be the better cover of "The Wind Cries Mary" -- Robyns or Pat Boones? Cheers Jay ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall Channel Sales Director Livermore Software Laboratories, Intl. 2825 Wilcrest, Suite 160 Houston, Texas 77042-3358 1-713-974-3274 jay@lsli.com Date: 1/30/97 Spectacle is not reality ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 16:07:33 -0500 From: Paula_Carino@usccmail.lehman.com (Paula Carino) Subject: Re: How big is yours? "Element of Light" was my 23,444,519,649th album! Really! And I listened to T. Rex in the womb--oops, sorry that was Gene Simmons, not me. Paula ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: How big is yours? Author: Russ Reynolds at usccmail Date: 1/30/97 7:51 AM I got to thinking about the size of my record collection (aprox 850 LP's, 500 CD's) and realizing with Yurtle-like envy (bone up on your Seuss if you've never heard of Yurtle the Turtle) that a good lot of you probably have much larger collections. Then it occurred to me that you'd probably *have to* have a large record collection to have stumbled across Hitchcock in the first place. I can tell you that my first Hitchcock purchase was my 333rd album (UM, when it first came out). I'm interested in finding out which of us discovered Hitchcock at the earliest stage of his/her record collecting career. So question #1: who's got the *smallest* collection? Is there anyone on this list with just 10 albums on the shelf? 50? And I'm not talking about people who's ex-wives absconded with 1,000 albums, or those of you who've had to sell off everything to support your internet habits. and question # 2 (not counting the follow-ups to #1): Is there anyone who's *first* LP or CD purchase was a Hitchcock recording? 10th? 50th? -russ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Devil's Radio & Ripoffs Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 16:55:33 -0500 From: >There's definitely some babbling in "Devil's Radio". I remember it was >done as as high speed monotone. Thanks, Susan for remembering for me >that the song was about gossip, not talk radio. It's still too close >for comfort. Well, pardon me if I am about to remark on something the rest of you find terribly obvious. I interpret Robyn's song not to necessarily mean that the talk shows are the Devil's Radio, but the dittoheads (Rush Limbaugh fans, for you non-US Fegs) and their ilk who go around repeating mindlessly the views espoused by these primitive radio gods. So that a person him/herself is, in essence, "the devil's radio," which only makes me wonder how he could have passed up using the term "flesh radio" at least once. Of course, perhaps the Adjective Fairies only gave him a limited use of the word "flesh," which of course he promptly fairly blew his load on during the recording of "Globe of Frogs" leaving only one more allowed usage -- and that even whispered -- to be placed in the mouth of the enigmatic conductor Milo. Oh, yes, um - back to the point. So that is my interpretation of the song, and the nature of the Devil's Radio. ("Limbaugh . . . was talking through some bimbo. . . ") I hope that wasn't so terribly obvious that everyone now thinks I am a moron, and you all know about it already. Oh, by the way, I hear a new movie is opening up. I think it's called "Star Wars," and looks kind of neat, anyone hear anything about it . . . . >Hey, here's something more promising than "China". How many blatant >rip-offs can we think of? There could be some relelations here! OK - time for my personal grudge against the one-hit-wonder group known as EMF with their one hit wonder of several years back, "Unbelievable." I have always -- upon my very first listeing of it -- thought it was a ripoff of "Grooving on an Inner Plane," but that is my own cantankerous assertion, so there. Schubert Dip, my ass. (Of course my wife points out that it is hard to imagine them actually owning a Robyn CD, let alone ripping off what could just be a common groove. Bah. And I really believe that Vanilla Ice never heard Bowie/Queen's "Under Pressure." Doubleplus bah.) The Great Quail ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Rude? Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 16:56:37 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Rude? Sent: 1/30/97 8:43 AM fegmaniax@clairseach.ecto.org Fegmaniax!, fegmaniax@ecto.org Hellbalde . . . er, sorry, Hedblade, or something like that, forgive an old Moorcock fan, or should I say rather Jay, posted: ><< Next night I saw Robyn, though, and it was the first I'd seen him with >Deni. Opening line (while we were abusing him over his shirt) was "welcome >to 1969...hope you've all been born." >> > >Our man has made this comment / joke several times in several ways over the >past tour. The question is, do any of you find it slightly rude? >1) Do you find it kind of rude or at least a tad condescending? No, not at all. >2) Why do you think he does this? Robyn has always joked around about birth and time paradoxes. ("The year was 1966(?) . . . most of you haven't been born . . . a situation that continues to this day," etc.) If anything, I think it's a bit self-deprecating in that dry English Robynesque way. (Shades of "Welcome to the past. I am an unreconstructed retrodelic, which is to say stuck there in 1969. . . ") >3) Shouldn't it please him? That he has younger fans? Sure. Why wouldn't it please him? You are asking that question in the context of a correct interpretation of his comment, which I am not sure you have. We all know Robyn is justifiably cranky about the musical taste of the masses (his Nirvana comments, etc.) but then again - is there anyone on this list how *doesn't* occasionally bask in the aura of how insufferably cool we are that we own more Soft Boys CDs than Bush CDs? heh heh. >4) Is it just me? I cannot answer that. But I can say that it is not me. (hey . . . catchy lyric there . . . sounds vaguely familiar. . . ) Oh, yes, and one last comment. Um -- wait a moment. I have to find the right toggle switch here somewhere first . . . oh, yes -- >I don't know about you, but Robyn is one >of a few distinct artists I'm still listening to from my college days (can >anyone say Ministry, Bauhaus, or Nitzer Ebb without laughing?). Hey! Bauhaus is still one of my favorite groups! They were one of the only fun Goth groups - I mean, such black spiteful surrealist bile pumped up by such outrageously clever music! All delivered with a self-knowing and ironic wink. I will stand by Bauhaus any day of the week. A better question is, can anyone say "Styx" without laughing? Or am I betraying my age? Okay, thanks for letting me get that off my chest. Hang on -- The Great Quail (Nearing 30 and confused about why Bush is so popular) ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Thu, 30 Jan 1997 17:27:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Jocelyn Pook Hello. I'd just like to point out that Jocelyn Pook has played viola on Respect (Robyn Hitchcock), Gideon Gaye (The High Llamas) and Blood (This Mortal Coil). Does anyone know anything about her? Terrence Marks Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy -Seeking enlightenment through normalcy. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Subject: Re: How big is yours? Date: Thu, 30 Jan 97 17:39:20 -0500 From: >and question # 2 (not counting the follow-ups to #1): Is there anyone who's >*first* LP or CD purchase was a Hitchcock recording? 10th? 50th? Actually, my third CD purchase, and after that many more - very very expensive - imports. All I could stick on my credit card, purchased from Greg's "City Lights" records in State College, PA, in the Year of Our Lord 1990, which is when I first bought a CD player. By the way, as far as the Yertle Turtling goes, my Cd collection is now about 1400. This is, of course, the price of a relatively nice car. I console myself with the fact that a nice car wouldn't make as much lovely sounds going into my ears. Sigh. The Great Quail ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .