From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #17 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 17 Saturday January 25 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: The Peake of Perfection Re: Syd Nothing to see here... This Mortal Coil/Big Star Re: This Mortal Coil/Big Star Re: This Mortal Coil/Big Star Re: This Mortal Coil/Big Star Re: This Mortal Coil/Big Star Re: This Mortal Coil/Big Star Re[2]: The Peake of Perfection Re: The Peake of Perfection Re: Ever Done Live Re: fwd: Underwater Moonlight cover RE: UM Cover Re: This Mortal Coil/Big Star Re: This Mortal Coil/Big Star Re: Syd RE: UM Cover RE: UM Cover RE: UM Cover RE: UM Cover never played live Re: never played live Re: never played live The Madness Of King Syd ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:24:28 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: The Peake of Perfection On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > It was my love of intelligent nonsense that drew me to Robyn's music at first. > How could I resist someone singing that they wanna be an anglepoise lamp? > (you do know what they are, yes? Luxo lamps, I think they're called Stateside.) > > Anyone else like other nonsense illustrator/poets? Peake, Lear, Cutler and > Gorey (who is almost impossible to track down in the UK) are my favourites. I was thrilled to receive "The World of Edward Gorey" for Christmas. Still later, Gerald did something terrible to Elsie with a saucepan. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 20:01:58 -0700 From: gondola@deltanet.com (Eb) Subject: Re: Syd >From: M R Godwin > >Does Roger think that people's current opinion of the Pink Floyd is going >to be altered one jot by whether some 1967 recordings are issued 30 years >on? [etc] It's too bad that Waters doesn't have veto power over the CURRENT Pink Floyd. Damn, they're pathetic. Who wants to go see a concert where they duplicate all the original guitar solos note for note? Sheesh. Oh, BTW, This Mortal Coil's debut was actually the first strictly "alternative" album I ever bought. :) Regarding Buckaroo Banzai: When it first came out, I thought it was really hip and cool and amazing. I think otherwise now. Time hasn't been kind to that film. With a better director/writer, it could've been a far more durable vehicle. Hell, there might've even been a sequel. Eb, who deeply loves his "Dark Side of the Moo" bootleg which includes "Scream Thy Last Scream" but not (waah!) "Vegetable Man" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:40:44 -0600 From: JH3 Subject: Nothing to see here... ------------------------------ 3) The Sugarplastic. Is ANYONE else completely underwhelmed by this band? Me. Then again, I was also underwhelmed by Mervyn Peake's "Gormenghast" trilogy, so I guess I'm in the minority around here. (I mean, just how many pages do you *really* need?) >In St. Petersburg >By the lake >Where the stake drove >deep in my heart... It's in *Williamsburg* by the lake. St. Petersburg in the *night.* I lived in Williamsburg for four years and sat by Lake Matoaka many times. However, by then the problem of stakes being driven deep into people's hearts was relatively under control... --John Hedges ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:35:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: This Mortal Coil/Big Star On the strength of This Mortal Coil's versions of "You and your SIster" and "I am the Cosmos", I picked up (used) Chris Bell's "I am the Cosmos" and Big Star's "#1 Record/Radio City". If anyone wants them, I'm currently selling them cheap. Terrence Marks Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy -Seeking enlightenment through normalcy. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 08:10:26 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: This Mortal Coil/Big Star On Fri, 24 Jan 1997 00:35:21 -0500 (EST) normal@grove.ufl.edu (Terrence M Marks) wrote: >On the strength of This Mortal Coil's versions of "You and your SIster" >and "I am the Cosmos", I picked up (used) Chris Bell's "I am the >Cosmos" >and Big Star's "#1 Record/Radio City". >If anyone wants them, I'm currently selling them cheap. You've got to be kidding! I'm not familiar with Chris Bell's solo efforts, but Big Star is definitely among the greatest bands of that period! Not only their pop period (i.e. #1), but also the later stuff. I could 've sworn that this band *must* appeal to Robyn fans! Well, no use arguing about taste, I guess :-) Cheers, Sebastian PS: I used to own "Filigree & Shadow" once, but I sold it. Can't really remember what it was like, it was about 10 years ago. -- Sebastian Hagedorn Cologne University, Germany Kempener Str. 66, D-50733 Koeln Hagedorn@spinfo.uni-koeln.de http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 02:12:42 -0800 From: librik@netcom.com (David Librik) Subject: Re: This Mortal Coil/Big Star Terrence M Marks wrote: >On the strength of This Mortal Coil's versions of "You and your SIster" >and "I am the Cosmos", I picked up (used) Chris Bell's "I am the Cosmos" >and Big Star's "#1 Record/Radio City". >If anyone wants them, I'm currently selling them cheap. Hm, Big Star. There is one of those bands that, considering all the music that I like, everyone tells me I would absolutely adore. And yet they did absolutely nothing for me. With the exception of "September Gurlz," that CD was hardly a treasury of pop gems. What am I missing? Maybe I should get "Sister Lovers" and find out if they get more memorable. - David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:06:03 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: This Mortal Coil/Big Star On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > On the strength of This Mortal Coil's versions of "You and your SIster" > and "I am the Cosmos", I picked up (used) Chris Bell's "I am the Cosmos" > and Big Star's "#1 Record/Radio City". > If anyone wants them, I'm currently selling them cheap. Terry, how cheap is cheap? my copy of #1 record/radio city skips on 3 or 4 songs; i'd love to fix that, but i'm still pretty broke. also, i have a tape for you with monkees covers and barrett covers, and some other stuff. d. -- oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug -- dmayowel@access.digex.net==dmw@mwmw.com==dougmhyphw@aol.com -- get yr recently updated pathos at http://www.mwmw.com/pathetic/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 09:19:38 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: Re: This Mortal Coil/Big Star On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, dmw sent a private reply to the whole list. d'oh! he knows better, and he'll try not to do it again. pls disregard, tks. -- oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug -- dmayowel@access.digex.net==dmw@mwmw.com==dougmhyphw@aol.com -- get yr recently updated pathos at http://www.mwmw.com/pathetic/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 09:08:53 -600 From: spine@iastate.edu (James Francis) Subject: Re: This Mortal Coil/Big Star >and Big Star's "#1 Record/Radio City". >If anyone wants them, I'm currently selling them cheap. >Hm, Big Star. With the exception of "September >Gurlz," that CD was hardly a treasury of pop gems. What about "O My Soul," "Back of a Car," "Mod Lang," and, well, everything else on _Radio City_? Yikes! This surprises me. _Radio City_ is one of my absolute favorite albums in the world. Their _Live_ cd, though, is even better (not the recent reunion but the live one on Ryko which was taped in the 70s). Stripped down, perfect songwriting--the absolute essence of what I think "rock" music should be. Not trying to sway anyone, really, just sticking up for what I think was an amazing band and one that most Robyn fans would go nuts for. --"Jim" Francis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 10:14:06 -0500 From: Paula_Carino@usccmail.lehman.com (Paula Carino) Subject: Re[2]: The Peake of Perfection When I was about 7 years old, my aunt left the first Amphigorey book over our house. My parents saw that it was "cartoons" and gave it to me to read. "Here's a nice children's book." I read it a million times. That book almost single-handedly formed my artisitic and literary sensibilities...and in a round-about way, my musical ones, too. Which is why, all these years later, I'm "chatting" about Robyn Hitchcock instead of doing my work! Paula ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: The Peake of Perfection Author: Truman Peyote at usccmail Date: 1/23/97 9:24 PM On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > > It was my love of intelligent nonsense that drew me to Robyn's music at first. > How could I resist someone singing that they wanna be an anglepoise lamp? > (you do know what they are, yes? Luxo lamps, I think they're called Stateside.) > > Anyone else like other nonsense illustrator/poets? Peake, Lear, Cutler and > Gorey (who is almost impossible to track down in the UK) are my favourites. I was thrilled to receive "The World of Edward Gorey" for Christmas. Still later, Gerald did something terrible to Elsie with a saucepan. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ From: jlaw@qucis.queensu.ca (Jeffrey Lawrence) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 10:43:14 EST Subject: Re: Ever Done Live **From: Terrence M Marks **Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:45:18 -0500 (EST) **Have the following songs ever been performed live? [SNIP] **Raymond Chandler Evening (w/ Egyptians) It was once performed live solo on KSUF (those the right call letters?) Dunno the date though. I have that performance on some tape somewhere ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 10:44:31 EST From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: fwd: Underwater Moonlight cover >The first issue of UM (which I bought as an import fron the UK) had the >dolls...which were crafted by Robyn's sister, I believe. It *is* kind of an >ugly cover--if you ask me, not very representative of the music contained >therein. AGREED. i love the "sensible aeroplane-fish cover". to me the cover with the dolls on the shore is like all of the world (you know, non-robyn fans) looking into the ocean while the newer cover shows all of the wondrous underwater activity that the people on the beach can't see. of course, the cd has all of those extra tracks; so you gotta have both. KEN ------------------------------ From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 17:17:05 +0000 Subject: RE: UM Cover Item Subject: cc:Mail Text My Ryko version of the CD has the "statues" on the front in daylight and on the back of the booklet at night/evening. I guess the fish aeroplane is the mish-mash on the back. What's on the back of yours "Guitar God". I thought the Andy liner notes were most curious because he said something about it being the bands best work, which was mighty generous considering he wasn't on it!! As to his choice of good/bad tracks, remember it was him and Mo that put the Banana Boat Song on the Kershaw CD. Need I say more. (Hamish) P.S. Any UK fegs who didn't try Mike Neill for the promo poster offer might want to try as my ones are apparently in my house in the UK as we speak. Nice one Mike. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 12:22:48 -0600 (CST) From: donald andrew snyder Subject: Re: This Mortal Coil/Big Star On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, James Francis wrote: > What about "O My Soul," "Back of a Car," "Mod Lang," and, well, > everything else on _Radio City_? Don't forget "What's Going Ahn" and "The Ballad of EL Goodo"--two atmospheric pop masterpieces! The harmonies are comparable to "You Still Believe in Me" and "Waterloo Sunset." > Yikes! This surprises me. _Radio City_ is one of my absolute favorite > albums in the world. Their _Live_ cd, though, is even better (not the > recent reunion but the live one on Ryko which was taped in the 70s). > Stripped down, perfect songwriting--the absolute essence of what I think > "rock" music should be. Down right shocking. The only explanation I can muster is that Robyn's writing is more sophisticated, but still... Try again, Andy ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:13:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: This Mortal Coil/Big Star This was written by: Terrence Marks Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy -Seeking enlightenment through normalcy. normal@grove.ufl.edu > > Yikes! This surprises me. _Radio City_ is one of my absolute favorite > albums in the world. Their _Live_ cd, though, is even better (not the > recent reunion but the live one on Ryko which was taped in the 70s). > Stripped down, perfect songwriting--the absolute essence of what I think > "rock" music should be. > > Not trying to sway anyone, really, just sticking up for what I think > was an amazing band and one that most Robyn fans would go nuts for. Gotta disagree. I found most of the songs unlistenably...well, they had too much of a beat, if you know what I mean.. Anyhow, I think that Squeeze, The Kinks or The Beach Boys are much more Robynesque than Big Star. RH basically strikes me as well-done, whimsical light pop....Big Star doesn't. I know that he isn't *always* well-done, whimsical light pop, but usually, he is.. Terry ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:21:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Syd > > > >Does Roger think that people's current opinion of the Pink Floyd is going > >to be altered one jot by whether some 1967 recordings are issued 30 years > >on? [etc] > It's not that. It's not their opinions on Pink Floyd, but their opinions on Syd that the band is trying to protect. I can't explain their metaphor at all, but trust me, that's what they want to do. ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 15:29:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: UM Cover > I thought the Andy liner notes were most curious because he said > something about it being the bands best work, which was mighty > generous considering he wasn't on it!! As to his choice of good/bad > tracks, remember it was him and Mo that put the Banana Boat Song on > the Kershaw CD. Need I say more. Yeah, but Andy wrote most of the basslines, I believe. Most songs were around before Matt and stayed the same.. ------------------------------ From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Date: Fri, 24 Jan 97 21:35:50 +0000 Subject: RE: UM Cover >> I thought the Andy liner notes were most curious because he said >> something about it being the bands best work, which was mighty >> generous considering he wasn't on it!! As to his choice of good/bad >> tracks, remember it was him and Mo that put the Banana Boat Song on >> the Kershaw CD. Need I say more. > Yeah, but Andy wrote most of the basslines, I believe. Most songs were > around before Matt and stayed the same. Yeech. As a bass player myself (he said modestly) the thought of that makes my skin crawl. I refuse point blank to play anything the way I'm told (except for some covers, esp. "Heaven"), but then I tend to be an argumentative bugger. So why did Andy leave anyway? The Soft Boys were a great band, with good tunes (except the instrumentals) and a good sense of humour. It must have been awkward live as well because I seem to remember Matthew S. didn't do vocals (on UM at least). I guess they had to rework some songs a little. () On the subject of the missing Syd songs, I can't understand why Rog would hold them back, a) why would he give a toss about Pink Floyd any more, and b) most Syd fans have probably heard/got them anyway. Maybe he hopes to sell the rights later as some sort of pension fund. (I still say it was him who was desperate enough to be on that TV broadcast with the BeeGees.) ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 18:40:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE: UM Cover > On the subject of the missing Syd songs, I can't understand why Rog would > hold them back, a) why would he give a toss about Pink Floyd any more, and > b) most Syd fans have probably heard/got them anyway. Maybe he hopes to > sell the rights later as some sort of pension fund. (I still say it was > him who was desperate enough to be on that TV broadcast with the BeeGees.) Pink Floyd doesn't need any more money. They were something like the sixth highest paid act a few years ago. Roger Waters, while not making that kind of cash, is still hauling it in. Syd Barrett is making a decent wage too (his albums have cult status and are still selling. And people cover his songs fairly often, so that brings in money. Also, since he doesn't do very much, he probably doesn't spend very much.) The reason that Pink Floyd doesn't want those songs released is probably 1) Pink Floyd probably don't like those songs very much and 2) Those songs show Syd at his most vulnerable and exposed. Pink Floyd compared it to publishing nude photos of a now-famous actress. I can't explain the metaphor offhand, but it made sense.. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 19:33:47 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: RE: UM Cover On Fri, 24 Jan 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > Pink Floyd doesn't need any more money. They were something like the > sixth highest paid act a few years ago. Ah, but greed is not rational, and therefore one should never underestimate it. The Rolling Stones make lots of money, but does that stop them from unleashing mediocre albums on an unprepared world or from staging monumental stadium lightshows (euphemistically known as "concerts")? > The reason that Pink Floyd doesn't want those songs released is probably > 1) Pink Floyd probably don't like those songs very much This is probably the main reason. Although they've released SO MUCH JUNK since then, I can't see how the quality issue could possibly bother them. > and > 2) Those songs show Syd at his most vulnerable and exposed. Pink Floyd > compared it to publishing nude photos of a now-famous actress. I can't > explain the metaphor offhand, but it made sense.. You don't need to explain it (and actually it's a simile, not a metaphor :)). It makes perfect sense. But I don't think that that's the real reason. After all, everyone knows poor Syd was loopy. It's not as if we haven't seen his madness exposed in other places. To work within the constraints of the simile- it's as if the actress in question were Traci Lords. We've ALREADY SEEN it, so there's no point in being squeamish. Really I think it may have something to do with not wanting to encourage the ghoulish Syd madness fetishist types. Let's call a spade a spade, shall we? Lots of Syd Barrett fans take it to a morbid extreme, and maybe they don't want to encourage more people to take up The Cult of Syd's Madness as a hobby by officially releasing these tracks. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 13:56:44 +0100 (CET) From: James Isaacs I have 3 Big Star albums, all courtesy of the BMG CD club. The one I like the best is Live, which is from a radio broadcast concert in 1973 or so, I forget exactly which year. It is sloppy and quite brilliant. I have "Sister Lovers" and never got into it. I also have "Columbia", the live reunion album featuring members of the Posies, and it is also sloppy and quite good. On the subject of Pink Floyd, I saw them on both of the tours since the reunification, and I would agree it is a fest for the eyes, but too perfect sounding. I would like to see an Unplugged show where they do songs like "Paint Box" or "The Narrow Way". Fat chance. James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 21:57:21 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: never played live just for fun, I thought I'd make a list of all the songs that (as far as I know) are only on the albums. let me know if he's done any of these live. the pit of souls luminous rose don't you she reached for a light captain dry august hair take your knife out of my back the dust aether fiend before the shrine nothing stranded in the future keeping still you & me if i could look nocturne cathedral mellow together winter love this could be the day furry green atom bowl heartful of leaves knife autumn sea all i wanna do is fall in love a skull, a suitcase... it's a mystic trip falling leaves eaten by her own dinnner star of hairs vegetable friend the abandoned brain let there be more darkness blues in a dr sticky certainly clickot chinese water python sweet ghost of light college of ice queen elvis II if you go away earthly paradise nightride to trinidad the rain how do you work this thing grooving on an inner plane st. petersburg midnight fish it was the night this is only from memory, so probably very inaccurate, but still-- there seem to be quite a lot he's never seen fit to do for an audience! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Jan 1997 22:15:40 -0500 From: mrrunion@tng.net (Runion, Michael R.) Subject: Re: never played live At 09:57 PM 1/24/97 -0500, you wrote: > >just for fun, I thought I'd make a list of all the songs that (as far as I >know) are only on the albums. let me know if he's done any of these live. >if you go away Robyn did a nearly solo version of this on April 28, 1991 at the REM Mountain Stage show (followed by Birdshead). __________________________________________________________ Mike Runion Cocoa, Florida email: mrrunion@tng.net (home) email: Michael.Runion-1@kmail.ksc.nasa.gov WWW: http://www.spacecoast.net/users/mrrunion/default.htm "A perfect circle of acquaintances and friends, Drink another, coin a phrase..." -REM __________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 02:09:02 -0600 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: never played live At 10:15 PM 1/24/97 -0500, Runion, Michael R. wrote: >>just for fun, I thought I'd make a list of all the songs that (as far as I >>know) are only on the albums. let me know if he's done any of these live. > >>if you go away > >Robyn did a nearly solo version of this on April 28, 1991 at the REM >Mountain Stage show (followed by Birdshead). One should note that this was done after the regular radio broadcast, tho' the subsequent post-radio hour has been widely bootlegged. I could swear that he did "Cathedral" solo/piano at his show in May 1990 at the Bluebird Cafe here in Nashville, but I can't find my setlist to confirm it... Later, Miles ===================================================================== "I kicked the habit Shed my skin This is the new stuff I go dancing in" -- Peter Gabriel, "Sledgehammer" Miles Goosens goosenmk@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ===================================================================== ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Jan 1997 11:34:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: The Madness Of King Syd In response to our beloved Susan, Venus of the Fegs: <<> The reason that Pink Floyd doesn't want those songs released is probably > 1) Pink Floyd probably don't like those songs very much This is probably the main reason. Although they've released SO MUCH JUNK since then, I can't see how the quality issue could possibly bother them. > and > 2) Those songs show Syd at his most vulnerable and exposed. Pink Floyd > compared it to publishing nude photos of a now-famous actress. I can't > explain the metaphor offhand, but it made sense.. You don't need to explain it (and actually it's a simile, not a metaphor :)). It makes perfect sense. But I don't think that that's the real reason. After all, everyone knows poor Syd was loopy. It's not as if we haven't seen his madness exposed in other places. To work within the constraints of the simile- it's as if the actress in question were Traci Lords. We've ALREADY SEEN it, so there's no point in being squeamish. Really I think it may have something to do with not wanting to encourage the ghoulish Syd madness fetishist types. Let's call a spade a spade, shall we? Lots of Syd Barrett fans take it to a morbid extreme, and maybe they don't want to encourage more people to take up The Cult of Syd's Madness as a hobby by officially releasing these tracks.>> I agree, but in a way this sort of "protection" of a couple of very old tracks only feeds into "the ghoulish Syd madness fetishist" behaviour doesn't it? Think about it- the Syd appeal, aside from the obvious musical contributions, IS his mystique. The fact that very little material was ever actually recorded by / with Syd, makes the existance of non-offically released songs that much more ROMANTIC. It contributes to the mystique rather than drawing attention away from it. Think about the Beatles reunion; the years and years of spectualtion / wishful thinking were finally put to rest with the new songs. Haven't we ALL felt, "well, that's it then." It was put to rest, and regardless of your personal feelings toward the new material or even the concept of a reunion, the world can now quit asking the question. One more point. << Lots of Syd Barrett fans take it to a morbid extreme, and maybe they don't want to encourage more people to take up The Cult of Syd's Madness as a hobby by officially releasing these tracks.>> The question here, then, is why was Opal ever approved? Certainly that was a blatant (if wonderful) example of exhuming Syd and his madness for display. I assume the Peel Sessions disc had to be approved of as well (and contains one otherwise unavailable song- coincidence?). It seems that every 5 years or so some new Syd "product" finds it's way into the marketplace. I'd suggest that it is PERHAPS a matter of strategy. They can keep Syd in money the rest of his life if they keep "discovering" items to release. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it is a bad idea. Whatever works best for Syd is the important thing. Either that, or Waters and company are just a bunch of nagging, bickering ninnies using Syd as a pawn in their own personal grudge matches. A far more sickening and, given the very public displays of acrimony, probable conclusion. Sincerely, Jay ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .