From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #16 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 16 Thursday January 23 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Mountain Stage ever done live? Re: Beefheart Re: ever done live? deep in your heart Buckaroo, TMC, Sugarplastic, Moog, Syd's "Vegetable Man" RE: Syd's "Vegetable Man" Buckaroo, TMC, Sugarplastic, Moog, Syd's "Vegetable Man" RE: Syd's "Vegetable Man" Peake Trilogy Re: Peake Trilogy Underwater Moonlight cover This Mortal Coil (No RH) St. Petersburg Wallpaper done live? Re: Buckaroo, TMC, Sugarplastic, Moog, Syd's "Vegetable Man" Re: ever done live? Re: Underwater Moonlight cover fwd: Underwater Moonlight cover Re: Buckaroo, TMC, Sugarplastic, Moog, Syd's "Vegetable Man" Re: Underwater Moonlight cover Re: Yoyodyne (No RH) The Peake of Perfection Re: Underwater Moonlight cover Re: Underwater Moonlight cover Re: Underwater Moonlight cover ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:44:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Mountain Stage Hello. Would it be possible for me to get a copy of the latest Mountain Stage performance (both the Robyn and Donovan parts)? Terrence Marks Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy -Seeking enlightenment through normalcy. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 21:45:18 -0500 (EST) Subject: ever done live? Have the following songs ever been performed live? The Lizard (w/ Egyptians) The Devil's Coachman (w/ Egyptians) Some Body Dwarfbeat My Favourite Buildings (w/ Egyptians) Love It was the night Dreams The Leopard The Black Crow Knows Raymond Chandler Evening (w/ Egyptians) (and I'm looking for good Respect tour tapes. I know that you've got them.) Terrence Marks Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy -Seeking enlightenment through normalcy. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 09:51:30 -0800 From: Keith Hanlon Subject: Re: Beefheart > > > This is listed for todays Cable TV > > > > 3:00 pm - COM - Saturday Night Live : musical guest: Captain Beefheart & > > the > > Magic Band (rerun; repeats at 12:30 am) > > > > There seem to be some Beefheart fans on this list. This should appear on > > the Comedy Channel at 3:00 EST. > > > I have seen (and taped) this episode, and it is great. The crowd has > absolutely no idea what to make of it. It is the only bright spot in > that episode, which one book lists as the worst episode ever. > James My favorite part of the performance - is it at the end of "Ashtray Heart?" - when someone in the audience says (while the rest of the audience is stunned silent), "Oh shit!" Enjoy. Keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:16:30 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: ever done live? i'm taking a stab at this. surprised? On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > Have the following songs ever been performed live? > > The Lizard (w/ Egyptians) Dunno about Egyptians, but I've heard an awesome solo piano version. The early E's with Roger did a fascinating, trippy "The Black Crow Knows," too. > The Devil's Coachman (w/ Egyptians) not sure. > Some Body, > Dwarfbeat Definitely, solo. Dwarfbeat was on one of those solo '85 UK shows. You know, Rennie Scotts or the other one. > My Favourite Buildings (w/ Egyptians) Well, they did "spanner" for linda ryan, thats pretty close isn't it? > Love yep. > It was the night nope. > Dreams think so. > The Leopard oh yes. > The Black Crow Knows see above. > Raymond Chandler Evening (w/ Egyptians) at least with andy, i think. around 91? > > (and I'm looking for good Respect tour tapes. I know that you've got > them.) yep. :) there's very few songs (outside of the _groovy_ suite) that he's never EVER done. I have a never done live/only done live field in the robynbase, btw, which is just about ready to go online. if anyone wants to volunteer to help paste in setlists, lyrics and tabs, LMK. and I'll include an extra tape with the one that contains my friend's _Gloss Fish_ entry, terry. =b ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 1997 23:33:33 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: deep in your heart On Wed, 22 Jan 1997, Truman Peyote wrote: > I got it. And I'm female. ahaa.. a likely story, true-man.... lavonya, comrades, =b ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 01:32:36 -0500 (EST) Subject: Buckaroo, TMC, Sugarplastic, Moog, Syd's "Vegetable Man" 1) "Buckaroo Banzai"... I loved this film back in high school. Two months ago I went to a record store and found a used compilation called "Laugh While You Can, Monkey Boy!"... didn't buy it, but had a good laugh. Left the record store and went somewhere else, parking my car behind another car whose license plate frame read "Yoyodyne Propulsions Thermopod". Creepy synchronicity, eh? (Around this same time I read a late '60's novel-- can't remember which one-- which also contained a reference to a company called "Yoyodyne"-- clearly the inspiration for the name in "BB".) 2) This Mortal Coil. Well, I like them-- the 4AD All-Star team, as it were. My bandmate Chuck says that "Filligree and Shadow" was the album he always put when he was hoping to score in college. Ahem. There was a cool boxed set released some years back with all the TMC albums and a bonus disc of all the original versions of the songs TMC had covered. Wish I had it. 3) The Sugarplastic. Is ANYONE else completely underwhelmed by this band? I picked up "Bang" on numerous recomendations, and I was at first pleased to have found a "power pop" band who didn't derive their guitar sound EXCLUSIVELY from the Buzzcocks. But it quickly became clear that all they were were basically just XTC clones produced to sound slightlier "edgier", where "edgier" = "exactly like early Talking Heads". The band is promising at best, but they really need to find their own niche; their current record is only really interesting in that it's derivative of something other than what everyone else is deriving from these days. (Flames invited.) 4) Hey, I didn't say that "Moog Cookbook" was actually "good", just that it was perhaps the quintessential document of music circa 1996! I'll stand by that one, too. At this point it's hard to distinguish hipsterism from actual creativity... probably a moot point. We've probably rounded the corner from the point where anything matters artistically... I guess I just feel like "wallowing in it" is just as legitimate a project as trying to fight it right now, so why not give credit to the utmost in clever crassness? As I said, I bought mostly "old" stuff this year... 'cuz it's all over now, Baby Blue. 5) Having finally assembled most of the readily available Syd Barrett and pre- nauseating Pink Floyd, I have yet to come across the original version of "Vegetable Man", covered by the Soft Boys. What gives? If this is completely lost, where did Robyn come across it? Rex ------------------------------ From: "Baker, David(PIN-C09)" Subject: RE: Syd's "Vegetable Man" Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 02:58:59 -0500 Syd's 'Vegetable Man' isn't legitimately available anywhere to my knowledge. Apparently, Roger Waters deemed it 'psychological flashing' and unsuitable for release at the time and hasn't changed it his stance since (Attempts were made by compilers to include Vegetable Man and Scream Thy Last Scream on the rarities compilation Opel but weren't given permission). I picked it up on a Italian made bootleg CD Melk Weg and I know that quite a few bootleg compilations exist which contain the track, among other rarities. Tracking them down is the hard thing! (Trading may be an option)! As for the (quite excellent) track itself, The Pink Floyd's version is fairly similar to that of The Soft Boys, right down to the loopy whistle after '..for a place for me..' line. As you would expect, the Syd version is slightly more psychedelic and manic but, well, no-one does (did) Syd like Robyn in '79-'80. However, if you haven't got a Syd bootleg yet, Scream Thy Last Scream will be the real revelation. Dave. ---------- From: RxBroome@aol.com Subject: Buckaroo, TMC, Sugarplastic, Moog, Syd's "Vegetable Man" Date: Thursday, 23 January 1997 2:32PM 5) Having finally assembled most of the readily available Syd Barrett and pre- nauseating Pink Floyd, I have yet to come across the original version of "Vegetable Man", covered by the Soft Boys. What gives? If this is completely lost, where did Robyn come across it? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:31:00 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: RE: Syd's "Vegetable Man" There are two versions of 'Vegetable Man' floating around, the studio take and a broadcast from an old BBC John Peel show from 1967, in which the Floyd also performed 'Scream thy Last Scream'. Presumably this BBC session was the last professionally recorded performance of Syd with Roger, Rick and Nick. It seems ridiculous that Roger Waters still has a veto over the release of 'Scream' and 'Vegetable Man'. Syd's recording career basically consists of 3 albums ('Piper at the Gates of Dawn', 'The Madcap Laughs' and 'Barrett'); 3 singles ('Arnold Layne', 'See Emily Play' and 'Apples and Oranges'); the outtakes issued as 'Opel', which were all recorded during the making of 'Madcap' and 'Barrett'; plus 'Two of a Kind' on a BBC record of a John Peel session. There simply isn't enough stuff around to justify the continued suppression of two songs. 'Scream' in particular is a fantastic song, with regular changes between 4/4 and 3/4 which I don't think he does anywhere else (?). Does Roger think that people's current opinion of the Pink Floyd is going to be altered one jot by whether some 1967 recordings are issued 30 years on? - Mike Godwin PS to David Baker: 'Melk Weg' is Dutch for 'Milky Way'. There is (or was) a club of this name in Amsterdam where I played several times in the 70s. What is it doing as the name of an Italian bootleg? Maybe it includes the song 'Milky Way'? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 09:10:57 -0500 From: Scott Hunter McCleary Subject: Peake Trilogy I pushed through the whole thing this last summer, breaking the three novels up with Haruki Murakami, so my brain was pretty well fried by September. I found some interesting atmospheric correlations between the End of the World in Murakami's Hard-Boiled Wonderland and The End of the World and Gormenghast. Bayard -- any thoughts? You were pretty enthusiastic about Murakami. As for the trilogy, the introductions alone are worth the price of admission. There's a periodical dedicated to Peake's work. Has a homepage at http://www.unil.ch/angl/docs/peake-st. Scott Hunter McCleary 3052 S. Buchanan St., #A-1 Arlington, VA 22206 Chock full o' links: http://prodigaldog.ppages.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:30:49 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Peake Trilogy The early hardback editions had some sensational glossy portrait plates of the characters by MP, but I have never seen them in subsequent editions and I have never been able to find copies. Does anyone remember these? Is there a separate book of Peake illustrations published which contains them? RH content: I picked up a CD of Underwater Moonlight this week, which had a really silly cover of two dolls instead of the sensible aeroplane-fish cover that you get with the LP. Does anyone know why this bizarre change was made? And what about that strange note by Andy, singling out 'Queen of Eyes' as one of the worst tracks? Where do they get this stuff? - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:14:40 -0500 (EST) From: Wand Subject: Underwater Moonlight cover On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, M R Godwin wrote: :RH content: I picked up a CD of Underwater Moonlight this week, which had :a really silly cover of two dolls instead of the sensible aeroplane-fish :cover that you get with the LP. Does anyone know why this bizarre change :was made? I believe the dolls cover is on all the Canadian releases, CD and LP. I've never seen the aeroplane-fish. Can anyone scan it in, please? Wanda ------------------------------ From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 17:14:59 +0000 Subject: This Mortal Coil (No RH) Item Subject: cc:Mail Text I have the first two TMC albums. The first is good but the second is better. I always try to play all four sides of the second album in a single sitting. It flows really well. Is the third album any good? My band did a rendition of "Another Day" by TMC (by Roy Harper). I haven't heard the original but I reworked the TMC version into a straight rock thing (and sang it). Lovely song (Liz's version not mine). I notice also mentions on the list of the Hoodoo Gurus and Jason & The Scorchers, two bands I gave up on after about the third album. I must say I'm surprised that a) they lasted, and b) anyone has heard of them at all. I don't suppose anyone remembers the Scientists do they? {Hamish} In curly brackets today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 09:02:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: St. Petersburg >> ladies in St Petersburg, Russia. > > >In St. Petersburg >By the lake >Where the stake drove >deep in my heart... Gee, I always thought that lake was in Florida. -russ "she spins 'round and 'round three feet off the ground..." (lovely imagery, eh?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 09:02:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Wallpaper wasn't someone working on some Hitchcock wallpaper a while back? Did that ever come to fruition, and if so where can I find it? -rr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 09:02:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: done live? >Have the following songs ever been performed live? > >The Lizard (w/ Egyptians) >The Devil's Coachman (w/ Egyptians) >Some Body >Dwarfbeat >My Favourite Buildings (w/ Egyptians) ****>Love GOLDEN GATE PARK, SF 7/3/89 (?) SOLO***** >It was the night >Dreams >The Leopard >The Black Crow Knows ****>*Raymond Chandler Evening (w/ Egyptians) TONS-O-TIMES. '86 TOUR***** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 12:27:12 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Buckaroo, TMC, Sugarplastic, Moog, Syd's "Vegetable Man" On Thu, 23 Jan 1997 RxBroome@aol.com wrote: > 1) "Buckaroo Banzai"... I loved this film back in high school. Two months > license plate frame read "Yoyodyne Propulsions Thermopod". Creepy > synchronicity, eh? (Around this same time I read a late '60's novel-- can't > remember which one-- which also contained a reference to a company called > "Yoyodyne"-- clearly the inspiration for the name in "BB".) Hint- it's by some guy named Pynchon. > 4) Hey, I didn't say that "Moog Cookbook" was actually "good", just that it > was perhaps the quintessential document of music circa 1996! I'll stand by > that one, too. At this point it's hard to distinguish hipsterism from actual > creativity... probably a moot point. We've probably rounded the corner from > the point where anything matters artistically... That's because you live in LA, home of candy canes on palm trees at Christmas. It's different out here in the rest of the world. Love on ya, Susan ------------------------------ Subject: Re: ever done live? Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 10:30:15 -0800 From: Tom Clark Normal Terrance asks: >Have the following songs ever been performed live? > >The Lizard (w/ Egyptians) I have a tape from "TT The Bears' Place", Cambridge MA. in '89(?) with this on it. >My Favourite Buildings (w/ Egyptians) Well, during Egyptians tours, but usually during Robyn's solo part. >Raymond Chandler Evening (w/ Egyptians) I think so. >Terrence Marks >Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy Who was the first? -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark "Beer is the only virtual reality I need." -Leroy Lockhorn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 13:54:04 +0500 From: Ken Frankel Subject: Re: Underwater Moonlight cover By dolls do you mean the two paper mache figures sitting on rocks by the sea? (I think these were created by Robyn's sister). My LP copy of UM which I bought in 1982 has this cover (a UK import). I've seen the other one too. Does anyone know which was the original? Ken At 12:14 PM 1/23/97 -0500, you wrote: >On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, M R Godwin wrote: >:RH content: I picked up a CD of Underwater Moonlight this week, which had >:a really silly cover of two dolls instead of the sensible aeroplane-fish >:cover that you get with the LP. Does anyone know why this bizarre change >:was made? > >I believe the dolls cover is on all the Canadian releases, CD and LP. >I've never seen the aeroplane-fish. Can anyone scan it in, please? > > > >Wanda > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 11:19:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: fwd: Underwater Moonlight cover ======== Original Message ======== On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, M R Godwin wrote: :RH content: I picked up a CD of Underwater Moonlight this week, which had :a really silly cover of two dolls instead of the sensible aeroplane-fish :cover that you get with the LP. Does anyone know why this bizarre change :was made? I believe the dolls cover is on all the Canadian releases, CD and LP. I've never seen the aeroplane-fish. Can anyone scan it in, please? Wanda ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== I never heard of the aeroplane-fish cover until some time in the nid 1980s. I *thought* that was a Canadian re-issue. The first issue of UM (which I bought as an import fron the UK) had the dolls...which were crafted by Robyn's sister, I believe. It *is* kind of an ugly cover--if you ask me, not very representative of the music contained therein. ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:06:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Buckaroo, TMC, Sugarplastic, Moog, Syd's "Vegetable Man" > 5) Having finally assembled most of the readily available Syd Barrett and > pre- nauseating Pink Floyd, I have yet to come across the original version of > "Vegetable Man", covered by the Soft Boys. What gives? If this is > completely lost, where did Robyn come across it? > The producers wanted to release "Vegetable Man" and "Scream Thy Last Scream" on "Opel", but Gilmour, Waters, Wright and Mason blocked them. It has never been officially released. However, if you like, I happen to have both the studio and live versions on tape. (willing to distribute) Terry ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 15:25:48 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Underwater Moonlight cover > On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > :RH content: I picked up a CD of Underwater Moonlight this week, which had > :a really silly cover of two dolls instead of the sensible aeroplane-fish > :cover that you get with the LP. Does anyone know why this bizarre change > :was made? > > I believe the dolls cover is on all the Canadian releases, CD and LP. > I've never seen the aeroplane-fish. Can anyone scan it in, please? > The Ryko version features the dolls (done by Lal Hitchcock) on the front and the fish (done by Robyn Hitchcock) on the back. Terry ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Yoyodyne (No RH) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 97 16:41:17 -0500 From: RxBroome writes: >synchronicity, eh? (Around this same time I read a late '60's novel-- can't >remember which one-- which also contained a reference to a company called >"Yoyodyne"-- clearly the inspiration for the name in "BB".) That would probably be Thomas Pynchon's "The Cyring of Lot 49." This marks the first real appearance of Yoyodyne, Inc., which then is revisted briefly in his masterpiece, "Gravity's Rainbow." (Although it *may* be mentioned in his first novel, "V." -- I can't quite recall.) Yoyodyne started as a toy company, then expanded into electronics and mail fraud conspiracy, and then . . . visions of world conquest dance in collective heads. . . . I am not too sure how Buckaroo Banzai came across it: whether the author read Pynchon, or whether Yoyodyne is some secret 60's code for paranoiacs, I'm not sure. In any event, I couldn't recommend reading Pynchon more. (The fact that I run a web page devoted to his works is completely coincidental. Also, that my collaborator on the web page first made conatact with me when he read that I was a Robyn fan. AND that I heard of Pynchon from a song by Laurie Anderson, an artist who was introduced to me by the same person, one the same day, as he introduced me to Robyn. All a coincidence, eh? That is, of course, if you believe in coincidence; and why wouldn't you? You're not *paranoid* or anthing?) The Great Quail ---------------------------------+-------------------------------- The Great Quail, K.S.C. | TheQuail@cthulhu.microserve.com | "Keeper of the Libyrinth" | Sarnath - The Quailspace Web Page: riverrun Discordian Society | http://www.microserve.net/~thequail 73 De Chirico Street | Arkham, Orbis Tertius 2112-42 | ** What is FEGMANIA? ** "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." -- H.P. Lovecraft ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 21:17:55 -0000 (GMT) From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: The Peake of Perfection >So has anyone found any legitimate links between the two artists? Lots. As an ardent Peakefan, I could drag out lots. However, to save the list time, interested parties should try to find "A Book of Nonsense" by Mervyn Peake (Penguin, 1983) which is full of wonderful drawings and poems. Here's an extract from one: I cannot be didactic or lucid, but I can be quite obscure and practic- ally marzipan Incidentally, there's a new Peake biog written by Mervyn's son, Sebastian. It was my love of intelligent nonsense that drew me to Robyn's music at first. How could I resist someone singing that they wanna be an anglepoise lamp? (you do know what they are, yes? Luxo lamps, I think they're called Stateside.) Anyone else like other nonsense illustrator/poets? Peake, Lear, Cutler and Gorey (who is almost impossible to track down in the UK) are my favourites. -- Stewart C. Russell, Glasgow, Scotland - scruss@enterprise.net "Hang on... This is the real thing... The truth, my friend, and nothing but the truth" - Mervyn Peake ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 14:10:39 -0800 (PST) From: Carole Reichstein Subject: Re: Underwater Moonlight cover On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Terrence M Marks wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, M R Godwin wrote: > > :RH content: I picked up a CD of Underwater Moonlight this week, which had > > :a really silly cover of two dolls instead of the sensible aeroplane-fish > > :cover that you get with the LP. Does anyone know why this bizarre change > > :was made? > ...One more thing about these goofy paper-mache dolls; my guess is that this pair is a not-so-flattering portrait of Robyn's parents, Raymond and Joyce (I'm not sure of his mother's name). The white haired man w/the mustache is a deadringer for Raymond (you can see a picture of Robyn & his father on the back of the T/K records 7" single). Anyone agree? --Carole (who knows that Robyn sings "My mothers second name is Joyce" :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:27:12 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Underwater Moonlight cover On Thu, 23 Jan 1997, Carole Reichstein wrote: > > ...One more thing about these goofy paper-mache dolls; my guess is that > this pair is a not-so-flattering portrait of Robyn's parents, Raymond and > Joyce (I'm not sure of his mother's name). Elizabeth Joyce Watts (Hitchcock). The white haired man w/the > mustache is a deadringer for Raymond (you can see a picture of Robyn & his > father on the back of the T/K records 7" single). Anyone agree? Can anyone scan in the father & son photo? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Jan 1997 18:55:15 -0500 From: nicastr@mail.idt.net (Ben) Subject: Re: Underwater Moonlight cover >...One more thing about these goofy paper-mache dolls; my guess is that >this pair is a not-so-flattering portrait of Robyn's parents, Raymond and >Joyce (I'm not sure of his mother's name). The white haired man w/the >mustache is a deadringer for Raymond (you can see a picture of Robyn & his >father on the back of the T/K records 7" single). Anyone agree? > > --Carole (who knows that Robyn sings "My mothers >second name is Joyce" :) I thought that the dolls were on the cover to fit in with the song "Underwater Moonlight", the two statues making their way into the sea. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .