From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V5 #8 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 5 Number 8 Saturday January 11 1997 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Jack Frost Re: Jack Frost Mossy Beverage Hulabaloo Gloss Fish Re: say what about? say what about? Mossy Liquor CD misprint? PLUS a Billy Bragg editorial. Re: Mossy Liquor CD misprint? PLUS a Billy Bragg editorial. Re: Mossy Liquor CD misprint? PLUS a Billy Bragg editorial. Re: Mossy Liquor CD misprint? BMG first feg quoted Re: Mossy Liquor CD misprint? PLUS a Billy Bragg editorial. Re: Mossy Liquor CD misprint? PLUS a Billy Bragg editorial. Re: Mossy Liquor CD misprint? PLUS a Billy Bragg editorial. those pseky clubs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 16:50:30 +1100 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Jack Frost >what's the deal with Jack Frost? Jack Frost (Steve Kilbey from the Church and ex-GoBetween GW MacLennan) last year put out their second album, Snow Job (erroneously called kama Sutra on the list a coupla days back, but given the - erm - interesting cover art, it's understandable). It's a very good album, but damn near impossible to get outside Australia, by all accounts. Their first album, BTW, was self-titled (or even, dare I say it, eponymous), and came out in about '94. It is also pretty good and well worth a listen. James ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Jan 1997 23:21:43 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen C Ellis Subject: Re: Jack Frost > Jack Frost (Steve Kilbey from the Church and ex-GoBetween GW MacLennan) > last year put out their second album, Snow Job (erroneously called kama > Sutra on the list a coupla days back, but given the - erm - interesting > cover art, it's understandable). It's a very good album, but damn near > impossible to get outside Australia, by all accounts. Their first album, > BTW, was self-titled (or even, dare I say it, eponymous), and came out in > about '94. It is also pretty good and well worth a listen. I agree with James' comments about the Jack Frost album. However, for U.S. fegs, there is quite a good mail order company (in Nebraska of all places), which specializes in Australian/New Zealand artists. If anyone wants more info, e-mail me privately for more details. -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 21:10:41 -0700 From: Mark Gloster Subject: Mossy Beverage Hulabaloo I had an adventure last Sunday with some of the nicest folx one could imagine meeting. It was one of those magical days in which nothing goes wrong, everyone you meet is nice, and directions turn out to be correct. Oh, and just about everybody in the house knew who Robyn Hitchcock is- and, of course, THE COWBOYS LOST. The beer was not the best part of my day, but it wasn't bad- just not Sierra Pale Ale. We chatted about all things hitchcock, music, runny-catchy, and spent some time discussing other brews. Humour was had by all. Thanks for having us Russ! I have been a bad dog about checking my digests, but saw the posts by Glen and Steve today. Steve raised two questions: Q: 1st time feg quoted? A: No, sadly I must tell on my ego that I used to quote my ditties sometimes in my sig, hoping that somebody would say something. I struggle with the spectre of self-love continually, and sometimes even in public. I confess that the self-love usually wins. It was, however, probably the first time a feg was quoted in a sig line by another feg. Q: Do rubberheads throw fish? A: No, but their breath is fishy and Big Rubber Shark eats toast and long-haired guitarists, but the graphical element of which I circumscribe involves ambiguous directional information. Happy New Year from the Happy Cap! Thanks for everybody's indulgence. -Mark Gloster "I'll have an anchovy, raisin, cottage cheese pizza and a buttermilk daiquori." -mg (the song with these words isn't written yet and I have a really hard time thinking about it) rubrshrk@tigermonkey.com http://www.tigermonkey.com ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 00:34:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Gloss Fish Ok...it's very nearly time for Gloss Fish, the tape full of original material by feg-related bands. Q1: What do I do if I want a tape? A1: Wait. In a little bit, I'll post and start a tape tree. If you email me asking what to do, I'll tell you to wait a bit. This is basically to make sure that no one has any objections ot the setlist. The tape will very probably be released early February. Q1b: Well, if it's just setlist questions, why didn't you just post to the artists? A1b: Because I don't have all of their email addresses. Q2: What do I do if I want to submit material? A2: Email me about it and hurry. You don't need to sound like Robyn or have a professional release to do this. You don't even need to have been on "Top of the Pops". It helps, though. Q3: What about copyrights? A3: Unlike most tape trees, this is 100% legal. Most tape trees are merely 95% legal. All artists have given permission. No one will get sued over this. We promise. If you take it to another country, make a copy for the customs agent if you like. Here is the setlist (preliminary). If any of the artists wish to have the order/songs changed, let me know soon. Currently, we are waiting on the Modern Lizard Quartet. Side A: Cold July Rain James Dignan Vicki Lawrence There Goes Bill End In Sight The Transparencies Go Back to West New York The Favourite Colour Infinite Girl Other Days Shine Like The Sun The Modern Lizard Quartet Severe Tire Damage Mark Gloster and B.R.S. Jing Jing The Carolinas Mines of Wisdom The Moomins Call of the Wild Mark Gloster & B.R.S. Heaven The Modern Lizard Quartet Side B: Omens on the Run James Dignan Ergie Bergie There Goes Bill Foundation of Love The Delusions Valis The Favorite Color All The Signals Other Days Dark Was The Life You Lived The Modern Lizard Quartet Monday's Lunch Mark Gloster and B.R.S. Cowboy Mouth The Carolinas Down James Dignan Richard Nixon The Delusions Just Like I There Goes Bill [Note: "Heaven" by the MLQ is not "Heaven" by Robyn Hitchcock] Wel Terrence Marks Second Student in the Tendo Kasumi School of Philosophy -Seeking enlightenment through normalcy. normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 10:22:36 -0500 From: Paula_Carino@usccmail.lehman.com (Paula Carino) Subject: Re: say what about? The conversation was about surreal lyricists. Martin Phillipps and Chris Knox haven't been mentioned--both are amazing writers but they don't tend to deal in surrealism. The thing I love about M.P. and C.K. is their earnestness and straightforwardness--no dicking around with symbols for these guys, and it works very well for them. Meanwhile Robyn & Black Francis & Beck, et al, are great at what THEY do. It's refreshing to know that there are all kinds of ways to be great. PC ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: say what about? Author: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) at usccmail Date: 1/10/97 3:53 PM >>More to the point, I can't think of any other songwriter I'd say this about.<< >I'd add Black Francis and Scott Miller (Loud Family/Game Theory) to that >list of lyricists who go out on a limb with varying levels of poetic >success. When they hit their mark, they hit it with a great crashing >sound, and when they miss, it can be truly icky.< I've missed a lot of this conversation through being offlist for a while, but I hope that the names Andy Partridge and New Zealanders Graeme Downes (Verlaines), Martin Phillipps (Chills) and Chris Knox (Tall Dwarfs) have been mentioned. >oh well and "7" year >is here, and we all know what that means...] hmmm... lesseee. London teams win the FA Cup in "1" years, so it can't be that... James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 10:46:33 EST From: KeN SaBaTiNi Subject: Mossy Liquor CD misprint? PLUS a Billy Bragg editorial. I think this is just a misprint, but in the latest BMG music club mailing is a release by Robyn Hitchcock titled "Moss Elixir: Mossy Liquor: Outtakes and Prototypes" This is exactly how it was printed. The blurb underneath it says something like,"'Devil's Radio' 'Alright Yeah' plus 10 more." I suspect this was just misentered by someone compiling the CD's who didn't note that these were two separate releases (one on CD, the other on LP). BMG would certainly not carry LP's, let alone anything not mass produced, so the above has got to be Moss Elixir. Maybe we can claim that their booklet of CD's constitutes a legal document and force them to provide the CD/LP combo package of Elixir/Liquor. :) This issue also had Billy Bragg's latest, which also caught me off guard. "What's the thing about Billy Bragg anyway?" you might ask. Ok, here's the thing about Billy Bragg. Its like there are two sides to him-- one comes out on his recordings: self-reflective, gentle, heart on his sleeve, and sincere while also being a bit brash, blunt, and political (but not as blatantly political as a passive observer might imagine--with very few hints of preachiness). Then there is the concert, between-songs talker Billy Bragg (or is it the "between-talk singer"?), who delights in getting the audience riled up, bullying them at times, and preaching to the choir at other times. Even I, who am a pretty ardent fan, felt like yelling out "shut up and play!" on a few occasions during the Robyn/Billy show. If he just played his material or if someone were to just listen to his last few releases, they would get a totally different impression of where Billy Bragg was coming from. I think some of his stage banter prevented some from really listening and appreciating his songs. I was entertained by most of the talk, but as there was only a limited amount of time, I'd rather hear him play than joke. It was like seeing two different people in one: He'd be off on this commentary, having a blast arguing with any dissenters one minute, and then be putting his heart into a personal and moving song like Brickbat, The Only One, or the gently-sung SugarDaddy. I have obviously gone on a tangent. Many apologies. Where was I when all this was getting talked about during the tour? I was gonna say something then, but I was just too busy . . . or something. ;) Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ken Sabatini Optimism has failed us Pessimism has failed us Dept. of Psychology And all logic is wrong University of Georgia We'll go swirling up We'll go searching high Athens, GA -David Kilgour ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 12:28:52 -0500 From: Lobsterman Subject: Re: Mossy Liquor CD misprint? PLUS a Billy Bragg editorial. >I think this is just a misprint, but in the latest BMG music club mailing is >a release by Robyn Hitchcock titled "Moss Elixir: Mossy Liquor: Outtakes and >Prototypes" This is exactly how it was printed. The blurb underneath it >says something like,"'Devil's Radio' 'Alright Yeah' plus 10 more." I suspect >this was just misentered by someone compiling the CD's who didn't note that >these were two separate releases (one on CD, the other on LP). I hope this isn't true, because I'm about to fork out $30 to have Mossy Liquor put onto CD. Granted, I'm having them throw extra stuff on there to take advantage of the 74 min duration (such as: Statue w/a Walkman from Virgin Sampler, Ptolemaic flexi, and K 7"--i have it on CD but would like to have the vinyl on CD (with spoken intro)) But still, that would be a ROTTEN trick to play on us fegs that LOVE Mossy even more than moss but can't get it in their fave digital format. /-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/-/- John B. Jones e-mail:jojones@mailbox.syr.edu web: http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "The Higsons come from Norwich Norwich, Massachusetts And they eat alot of pancakes..." -Billy Bragg, 16 Nov 96 \-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\-\- ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Mossy Liquor CD misprint? PLUS a Billy Bragg editorial. Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 10:29:21 -0800 From: Tom Clark >I think this is just a misprint, but in the latest BMG music club mailing is >a release by Robyn Hitchcock titled "Moss Elixir: Mossy Liquor: Outtakes and >Prototypes" This is exactly how it was printed. The blurb underneath it >says something like,"'Devil's Radio' 'Alright Yeah' plus 10 more." I suspect >this was just misentered by someone compiling the CD's who didn't note that >these were two separate releases (one on CD, the other on LP). > >BMG would certainly not carry LP's, let alone anything not mass produced, so >the above has got to be Moss Elixir. Maybe we can claim that their >booklet of >CD's constitutes a legal document and force them to provide the CD/LP combo >package of Elixir/Liquor. :) This issue also had Billy Bragg's latest, which >also caught me off guard. BMG saves money by manufacturing their own CD's, so sometimes they make their own version a little different from the record companies. Who knows, they might have melded the moss? -tc ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark "Beer is the only virtual reality I need." -Leroy Lockhorn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 97 13:41:48 EST From: KeN SaBaTiNi Subject: Re: Mossy Liquor CD misprint? On Fri, 10 Jan 97 10:29:21 -0800 Tom Clark said: > >BMG saves money by manufacturing their own CD's, so sometimes they make >their own version a little different from the record companies. Who >knows, they might have melded the moss? > >-tc "Melded the Moss" has a nice ring to it! I can see it now, "Melded Moss: The Complete Moss(y) (E)Li(xi)quor Sessions" Has this been written this way before? If so, sorry.Lately I've been writing or saying things to people which I believed were novel ideas, only to later think that I may have merely repeated someone else's novel idea from some time ago or repeated something I had just said a few weeks before. With BMG, I'm skeptical that someone would have taken the extra effort to compile some combination of tracks from two source tapes rather than just go with the official CD release tracks. But still, I'll be sure to drop BMG a line about this when I return the "no thanks, no-CD's-for-me-why am-I-still-in-this-club-when-I-so-rarely-order-anything-and-end-up-wasting-a stamp-to-tell-you-no-thanks-every-2-3 weeks" reply card. They actually write back about stuff pretty promptly, so I'll be sure to let everyone know if the track listing is different. A few months ago they were offering the Velvet Underground box set at like 2/3's list price with noadditional purchases needed--I had written to inquire about the handling charges for CD sets (hoping it would be less than the standard per CD charge, which it was) and they got back to me in about 10 days. Still, I'd not get too excited. Even if it was a melding of the two, it is limited to 12 tracks (since the mailer did say 12 tracks included). Enjoy the weekend everyone! Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ken Sabatini Optimism has failed us Pessimism has failed us Dept. of Psychology And all logic is wrong University of Georgia We'll go swirling up We'll go searching high Athens, GA -David Kilgour ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 15:39:54 -0600 (CST) From: donald andrew snyder Subject: BMG Greetings fegs, In what I think is the most recent issue of the BMG magazine, Robyn is featured in one of the windows. Moss Elixir and Greatest Hits are offered, but no sign of Mossy Liquor. Still, it's a start. BTW, music clubs can make purchasing CDs very affordable if you join and quit several times. Also, most of them have websites where you can respond to your selection of the month without even using a stamp. The site for BMG is www.bmgmusicservice.com. Andy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 18:37:33 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: first feg quoted it's not a lyric, but i remember seeing this .sig on the list and even in newsgroups: "Ever notice how almost all stereotypes are negative?" -J. Dignan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 19:31:35 -0500 From: mr bean jeans Subject: Re: Mossy Liquor CD misprint? PLUS a Billy Bragg editorial. also sprach Tom Clark: >BMG saves money by manufacturing their own CD's, so sometimes they make >their own version a little different from the record companies. Who >knows, they might have melded the moss? bmg also saves money by paying one lump sum to a record company for the rights to manufacture and distribute an album. i.e., they never pay royalties for all the albums they sell. however, i can't think of any examples of bmg making their release different from the record company's. i suspect that all the albums they sell for a penny take a chunk out of their savings... ;) i also would be surprised if warners would sell mossy to bmg. warners must know that they could probably get two sales for the price of one, considering the relative rabidness of robyn hitchcock fans, if they released mossy on disc. woj ------------------------------ From: "David Wright" Subject: Re: Mossy Liquor CD misprint? PLUS a Billy Bragg editorial. Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1997 21:11:29 -0700 ---------- > From: mr bean jeans > To: fegmaniax@ecto.org > Subject: Re: Mossy Liquor CD misprint? PLUS a Billy Bragg editorial. > Date: Friday, January 10, 1997 5:31 PM ...snip... > > bmg also saves money by paying one lump sum to a record company for the > rights to manufacture and distribute an album. i.e., they never pay > royalties for all the albums they sell. however, i can't think of any > examples of bmg making their release different from the record company's. i > suspect that all the albums they sell for a penny take a chunk out of their > savings... ;) ...snip... > woj Back in the OLD days, i.e. before CDs really took off, there were SIGNIFICANT differences in the retail releases of an album, and the releases from Columbia House and BMG (which was then the RCA Music Club). An example would be a tape which purchased from the store had lyrics, musician credits, etc. on the J card, a cool transparent shell, and a different working of the cover art that would take advantage of the rectangular format of the case. If you bought this tape through a club, you'd get a cream colored shell, a J card with the square album cover art centered between white bars on the front, and nothing more than a copyright date on the inside. It was also widely known/believed that the quality of the media, whether tape or vinyl, was sorely inferior, and the sound quality was trash as a result. Many people believe that the sound quality is still poor on club cds, but in this age of digital mastering, can anyone tell me how they can screw that up? (I'm just assuming that the label delivers a copy of their digital master, which the club then presses to CD. I can't imagine a club taking an analog master and doing all of the CD mastering stuff themselves. Can anyone give me an example where it appears that has been done, such as a track marker appearing in a different place on a club cd?) Nowadays, they seem to be pretty faithful to the packaging, only occasionally being off by a color shade or something. They're using all of the same packaging gimmicks that the retail releases are using, what with different color cd cases and whatnot. I don't know whether this is due to contract or extra effort on their part, but it's nice either way. Occasionally, with Columbia House, a CD bought from them on one of the Sony labels has a upc code, and NO evidence of the "manufactured by columbia house under license", indicating that these were perhaps pulled from the regular stock manufactured for stores. -David (the hooded one) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 08:40:47 -0500 From: mr bean jeans Subject: Re: Mossy Liquor CD misprint? PLUS a Billy Bragg editorial. also sprach David Wright: >Back in the OLD days, i.e. before CDs really took off, there were >SIGNIFICANT differences in the retail releases of an album, and the >releases from Columbia House and BMG (which was then the RCA Music Club). as you point out, there were (and still are) packaging differences. i was talking about differences in what *music* was on the release. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 11:09:39 -0500 (EST) From: dmw Subject: those pseky clubs On Sat, 11 Jan 1997, mr bean jeans wrote: > also sprach David Wright: > > >Back in the OLD days, i.e. before CDs really took off, there were > >SIGNIFICANT differences in the retail releases of an album, and the > >releases from Columbia House and BMG (which was then the RCA Music Club). > > as you point out, there were (and still are) packaging differences. i was > talking about differences in what *music* was on the release. > > woj i dunno about track markers, but i'm fairly certain there are well documented cases of club releases lacking hidden bonus tracks. certainly if hte clubs are pressing their own cd's, they need masters to do it with, and i assume the original label provides a dat or some kind of hard disk which the club makes a new master from, tho this is not 'remastering' in the sense of tweaking hte sound at all. i dunno why you would stop the tape running, so to speak, before reaching the end, but it does seem to have happened. nirvana's _nevermind_is one of the ones i'm thinking of, although allegedly later club releases corrected the defect. also two different versions of _jagged little pill_ floating around, one with an acoustic track at the end, one not, if memory servers, and i think clubs are blamed for that as weell d. -- oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug -- dmayowel@access.digex.net==dmw@mwmw.com==dougmhyphw@aol.com -- get yr recently updated pathos at http://www.mwmw.com/pathetic/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .