From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #250 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 250 Friday December 13 1996 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: film stuff 12/11 AM Re: 1974 Re: 1974 Re: film stuff 12/11 AM Re: 1974 Speculation Re: Speculation 1974 Trying to climb out from under a rock (iraq?) number nine...number nine... Re: film stuff 12/11 AM Re: 1974 Re: film stuff 12/11 AM Re: number nine...number nine...number nine Re: Number nine...number nine... Re: film stuff 12/11 AM bummed in NYC... Re[2]: film stuff 12/11 AM ------------------------------ From: Dollymop Subject: Re: film stuff 12/11 AM Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 21:06:58 -0500 Chad the apprentice British historian to the rescue... Indeed, "In the Name of the Father" is the story of Jerry Conley and the Guildford 4. Jerry Conley doesn't look quite as slick as Daniel Day-Lewis and he is actually Irish, not an Irish wannabe, but the movie does stay pretty close to the story. -chad movie question BTW, is this flick gonna be released by a major studio? Is it gonna be vying for screen space with Deep Space Nine: The Motion Picture and Under Siege III: Out For Pizza or will it be an indie release? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:42:33 +0000 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: 1974 >> You could hear Robyn even on the street, he was warming up with "I >>Don't Remember Guildford" > >to me this has a strong political overtone, do the lyrics reflect this >thought? if not then what the hell could you say about guildford that >was not political? also, as i remember 1974 was the year this happened >in--although the tatcher bit took a bit longer although just as >devistating to innocent lives. but, what is the deal with 1974? is >there something beyond syd, bombings, and future politics? perhaps the >impending, somewhat in the future, date of Nick Winkworth's private >gig for robyn himself? (it is well known how this would affect the >future of the soft boys) John Lennon was obsessed with the number 9. Revolution #9, #9 Dream... He was born on the 9th, and died on the 9th. Perhaps, Robyn is having his own premonitions. Perhaps he will die the next time it's 1974. Perhaps it was an important crux, nexus or turning point in his life. He would have been, what, a mid-teenager? Lotsa important dates and firsts to remember from THAT period of yer life! James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: 1974 Date: Thu, 12 Dec 96 19:02:33 -0800 From: Tom Clark "The Lobster Gang" James writes from far away: >John Lennon was obsessed with the number 9. Revolution #9, #9 Dream... He >was born on the 9th, and died on the 9th. Perhaps, Robyn is having his own >premonitions. Perhaps he will die the next time it's 1974. Perhaps it was >an important crux, nexus or turning point in his life. He would have been, >what, a mid-teenager? Lotsa important dates and firsts to remember from >THAT period of yer life! Actually Robyn turned 21 in 1974. According to his (brief) autobiography on the Warner's page, it's the year he moved to Cambridge and "burrowed into the folk clubs." IIRC, it's also the year he tried to bum a joint off of Paul McCartney. -tc (Who turned 11 in 1974 and still remembers listening to "Rikki Don't Lose That Number" and "Kodachrome" on his Toot-A-Loop radio while swimming in the backyard - well, in the pool in the backyard) ******************************************* Tom Clark Apple Computer, Inc. tclark@apple.com http://www.netgate.net/~tclark ------------------------------ Subject: Re: film stuff 12/11 AM From: guambat@juno.com (Cardinal Fang) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 22:08:30 EST On Thu, 12 Dec 1996 21:06:58 -0500 Dollymop writes: >movie question BTW, is this flick gonna be released by a major studio? > Is >it gonna be vying for screen space with Deep Space Nine: The Motion >Picture and Under Siege III: Out For Pizza or will it be an indie >release? Yes, yes. And furthermore, when should we be expecting this fine piece of cinematography? And will Ted Turner try to colorize it? No one expects the Spanish Inquisition Cardinal Fang guambat@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 19:13:55 -0700 From: gondola@deltanet.com (E.B.) Subject: Re: 1974 >From: "Dot, the Itchy God." > >but, what is the deal with 1974? is >there something beyond syd, bombings, and future politics? perhaps the >impending, somewhat in the future, date of Nick Winkworth's private >gig for robyn himself? Well, in Los Angeles, RH went into a long explanation about how all the good intentions and achievements of the '60s finally dissipated for good in 1974, and left culture in a big void. No good music, etc., etc. Personally, I've always thought 1976 was the real nadir of pop music. After all, 1974 had The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, Red/Starless & Bible Black, Diamond Dogs, Walls And Bridges, Country Life, Taking Tiger Mountain, Fear, Planet Waves/Blood On The Tracks/Before The Flood, Grievous Angel, Starting Over and maybe a couple of other neat things. But alas, I digress. Eric B. ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 00:22:54 -0500 Subject: Speculation Thanks to all the filmgoers-- well, that's not really the right word, but you know what I mean-- for the reports, setlists, etc... Time to start speculatin' on what the fall shall bring, says I... THE FILM. Material-wise, what we'll be looking at is a pretty close approximation of most of Robyn's solo shows over the past few years, with a few visual bells and whistles. Largely this is the group of songs that Robyn wrote while touring and later recorded on a pair of albums for which he then toured and was filmed which will result in another album for which he'll doubtless also tour. Hmm. This period of Robyn's work is nothing if not organic in its evolution- kinda like Neil Young in the mid-70's. Anyway, I figure this will be pretty groovy. THE SOUNDTRACK ALBUM: This is a little trickier to predict. At a guess, Warners won't be extremely into the idea of releasing a double album, so we can expect one disc, between 45 and 70 minutes. What makes it onto the album? Well, it seems to me like there are between five and eight "new" (unreleased) songs on deck, so there's no way the album will consist of "all new" material. You'd guess that it would be weighted towards the new stuff; however, if it's meant to be a sort of "Robyn for non-Fegs" primer, it'll be primarily made up of whatever came out "best". Regardless, a live album consisting of a 50/50 split between old favorites and brand new stuff is a pretty odd thing for ANY artist. Wonder if Robyn himself would consider it a "real" album. Thoughts, kids? Rex PS- Noticed today that A&M has released another compilation in the "Backlot Series" that was inaugurated with Robyn's "Best of". Yep, that's right: "Best of Procul Harum". PPS- "Paris 1919" and "Fear" are both superb and, to my mind, a little too different from each other to invite comparison. I've been listening to "Paris" a lot lately. Feels wintery to me. "Fear" is a little more bracing musically, but a bit more anchored... "Paris" is beautifully all of one floating piece, a product of a singular place and time which does not, of course, exist-- which is why I agree with James' "Element"comparison. But that's just me. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 21:42:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Dot, the Itchy God." Subject: Re: Speculation On Fri, 13 Dec 1996 RxBroome@aol.com wrote: > THE SOUNDTRACK ALBUM: This is a little trickier to predict. At a guess, > Warners won't be extremely into the idea of releasing a double album, so we > can expect one disc, between 45 and 70 minutes. What makes it onto the > album? Well, it seems to me like there are between five and eight "new" > (unreleased) songs on deck, so there's no way the album will consist of "all > new" material. You'd guess that it would be weighted towards the new stuff; > however, if it's meant to be a sort of "Robyn for non-Fegs" primer, it'll be > primarily made up of whatever came out "best". Regardless, a live album > consisting of a 50/50 split between old favorites and brand new stuff is a > pretty odd thing for ANY artist. Wonder if Robyn himself would consider it a > "real" album. there could be the 'portland arms problem' with the soundtrack being that robyn will leave out a few jems because he is not happy with them, claiming they are sub-standard. and to further the kollector-skum market the video will have different tracks than the album. (oh...don't forget the rarities soundtrack with the one bonus track!) not that i would look on any such release in a synical [sp?] manner. > > Thoughts, kids? > > Rex > > PS- Noticed today that A&M has released another compilation in the "Backlot > Series" that was inaugurated with Robyn's "Best of". Yep, that's right: > "Best of Procul Harum". also, the simian crew has begun to included there own with simian mater-worker peter framptom. the cover is just as bad as robyn's, but without any off-kilter references to the dietary habits of the producers. ------------------------------ From: M R Godwin Subject: 1974 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 06:18:26 -0500 On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, Baker, David(PIN-C09) wrote: > Was this 1974 Guildford incident what the movie/book 'In the Name of the > Father' based upon? Could well be (haven't seen the film). What happened was that four people were convicted on forensic evidence that they had been handling explosives. It was (much) later established that the substance which 'proved' they handled explosives was also present in laminated playing cards. So all that it proved was that they had been having a game of cards! The convictions were eventually quashed (good word) after they had served many years in jail. I think James's point that RH was 21 in 1974 is a good explanation of this sudden attack of nostalgia. RH was probably totally into music and poetry then, and not bothered about politics at all. [Personally, I was in my 3rd band in 1974, and had just written a song about having a date with the Loch Ness Monster... "She never gets too cold, not even in a blizzard, Just puts on her dancing shoes and does the Funky Lizard"] - Mike (definitely one of the older ones here, wherever "here" is) Godwin PS to Hamish: Did you notice "Heaven" on that film setlist? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Dec 1996 18:16:38 -0700 From: Mark Gloster Subject: Trying to climb out from under a rock (iraq?) Hi. It's me. Thanks for holding the flame for me, Bayard & Co. in my absence. It was great meeting all my feggy friends at the show in San Fran. I'm sorry that I was suffering from PDS (personality deficiency syndrome) that evening and was incapable of carrying on a discussion at the elevation of y'all. Particular apologies to Tom Clark and Susan of Peyote fame, as I miss our previous connections. If excuses are worth anything, I had an 8.6 richter migraine going that particular evening. I've started reading my fegdigests, and it's great to see that you all still have your wits about you. Robyn Stuff: I enjoyed RH at the Warfield, but found his energy a little down. I was impressed with Billy B., but I wished I had control of the mixer. I have listened to Moss Elyxir in the high teens, and still think that it's brilliant. Glass Flesh stuff: I have finished up the graphics and am sending them off to the CD manufacturer tomorrow morning, so early next month, they will be available from everybody's favorite Record Company Magnate- Bayard. Don't tell Bayard that I sneaked a listen to the thing to make sure the CD will sound good. It doesn't- it sounds great. Also, I will be putting my studio back together so I might contribute to the next fleshy experiments in sound. Other news: the cat is outa the bag, yep, Monday's Lunch, by Mark Gloster and Big Rubber Shark is ffffffinally out. Contact me for pricing or look at my web site. I'd love to trade with some of the great bands in fegland. I hope I can stay up with you wonderful people and don't disappear again. I've missed you all. Joy, light, toast, -Mark Gloster rubrshrk@tigermonkey.com http://www.tigermonkey.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:43:41 -0500 From: "Hal 'n' Carey" James Dignan Subject: number nine...number nine... James Dignan wrote: > John Lennon was obsessed with the number 9. Revolution #9, #9 Dream... He > was born on the 9th, and died on the 9th. Lennon was murdered on December 8, 1980. However, his son Sean was born on the 9th of October (same as John). Numerology...sillier than astrology! And who REALLY was the walrus?!? hal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 10:05:56 -0800 From: Nick Winkworth CC: chris@unr.edu Subject: Re: film stuff 12/11 AM Dot, the Itchy God raved... > ...perhaps the impending, somewhat in the future, date of Nick > Winkworth's private gig for robyn himself? (it is well known how this > would affect the future of the soft boys) WHA..?? Looks like the desert sun has finally gotten to Chris. Let me be the first to put $5 in the "send .chris a ticket out of Reno" fund. > what is the deal with 1974? You may be right about this being the year of the infamous Guildford Pub bombing. I don't remember exactly. I do know that it would also have been around the time Robyn moved to Cambridge. Definitely among his "formative years". FYI Guildford is the largest town (I think it actually qualifies for the moniker "city" since it has a Cathedral), in the county of my birth, Surrey. This time of the year reminds me (with horror!) of many Christmas shopping trips there in my youth. RE: The Film I have to say that I'm disappointed by the reports of the filming so far. Everything I have read up to now makes it sound like just an (admittedly above average) record of his current stage performance - hardly material for a feature film. There _has_ to be more to it than this! Can someone who was there comment? Am I missing something here? ...and yes, I know "Stop Making Sense" was a stage performance too, but there was so much inventive business going on that it transcended the traditional music documentary. One hopes Demme (should I say "JD" now?) has something equally special up his sleeve for Robyn. But what? Nick - awoken from temporary lurkdom ------------------------------ From: Naha-Ru Subject: Re: 1974 Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 11:29:06 -0800 At 15:42 13.12.96 +0000, James Dignan wrote: >Perhaps, Robyn is having his own >premonitions. Perhaps he will die the next time it's 1974. Perhaps it was >an important crux, nexus or turning point in his life. He would have been, >what, a mid-teenager? Lotsa important dates and firsts to remember from >THAT period of yer life! Could it possibly be the year Maizie was born? Just a thought... --g ************************ Glen E. Uber "Why couldn't Frank Gifford glen@metro.net have been the ex-football http://metro.net/glen/ player who killed his wife?" ************************ ------------------------------ From: Critica@aol.com Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 15:20:38 -0500 Subject: Re: film stuff 12/11 AM In a message dated 96-12-13 13:05:51 EST, winkworth@hdshq.com writes: << RE: The Film I have to say that I'm disappointed by the reports of the filming so far. Everything I have read up to now makes it sound like just an (admittedly above average) record of his current stage performance - hardly material for a feature film. There _has_ to be more to it than this! Can someone who was there comment? Am I missing something here? ...and yes, I know "Stop Making Sense" was a stage performance too, but there was so much inventive business going on that it transcended the traditional music documentary. One hopes Demme (should I say "JD" now?) has something equally special up his sleeve for Robyn. But what? Nick - awoken from temporary lurkdom >> Nick-- I was at the morning show on the 11th & had a feeling of disappointment too--as I said in my original film-reporting post, there were a few rather unimaginative lighting props, with the exception of the tomato, which was neato. The crew _did_ film things like Robyn changing his shirt before the "encore," and I assume & hope & pray that there's more stuff going into the film that we don't get to see until it's finished. After all, we were just there for the music part of it & that's really all we were supposed to witness. Maybe there are a whole bunch of special effects that won't be put in until later? Three spectral ghouls playing whist? Schools of fish swimming by? A walking, talking, digital Jabba the Hutt? Movie Magic & all that. One never can tell. Cheers, Becky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 12:28:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: number nine...number nine...number nine Hal noted: >Lennon was murdered on December 8, 1980. yes, but at 11 pm. Which was--what, 2AM? December 9 in England, where he was born. At any rate, neither day was very fun. -rr ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Fri, 13 Dec 96 15:51:02 EST Subject: Re: Number nine...number nine... > James Dignan wrote: > > > John Lennon was obsessed with the number 9. Revolution #9, #9 Dream... He > > was born on the 9th, and died on the 9th. > > Lennon was murdered on December 8, 1980. However, his son Sean was born > on the 9th of October (same as John). > Numerology...sillier than astrology! > And who REALLY was the walrus?!? > > hal > Paul was the walrus, and John was Terry. "The walrus was Paul" - Glass Onion "I'm Terry Marks" - end of Strawberry Fields Forever -- "The man who has not anything to boast of but his illustrious ancestors is like the potato - the only good thing belonging to him is underground." (Sir Thomas Overbury, 1613) Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ From: Naha-Ru Subject: Re: film stuff 12/11 AM Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 13:09:09 -0800 At 10:05 13.12.96 -0800, Nick Winkworth wrote: >RE: The Film >I have to say that I'm disappointed by the reports of the filming so >far. Everything I have read up to now makes it sound like just an >(admittedly above average) record of his current stage performance - >hardly material for a feature film. There _has_ to be more to it than >this! > >Can someone who was there comment? Am I missing something here? ...and >yes, I know "Stop Making Sense" was a stage performance too, but there >was so much inventive business going on that it transcended the >traditional music documentary. One hopes Demme (should I say "JD" now?) >has something equally special up his sleeve for Robyn. But what? I would like to see interview footage, animation by RH (wouldn't that be cool?), narration by RH as the cameras follow him from place to place in New York (sort of a day in the life of an Englishman in NY), Robyn's thoughts on anything and everything, Robyn acting as a man on the street interviewing people about their sealife preferences and whether they've ever had the damn thing out. But what do I know? --g ************************ Glen E. Uber "Why couldn't Frank Gifford glen@metro.net have been the ex-football http://metro.net/glen/ player who killed his wife?" ************************ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:17:22 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: bummed in NYC... Howdy group, You don't know how frustrating it is to accidently stumble upon the information that there were 2 free Robyn Hitchcock concerts AND a film in progress a mere 2 days ago here in NYC. *sigh* Fortunately, i did get to see the Beacon show a few weeks back and it was great. Also, how are the tracks on Mossy Liquor? I'd love to find this but don't have access to a turntable. If any of you are also Elvis Costello fans (he's my all-time fav) feel free to drop me an eMail - i'd love to hear from fellow appreciators of great music. Steve P.S. Julian Cope rounds out my top 3 favs... ;) -- Steve Talkowski Animator / Blue Sky Studios http://www.blueskystudios.com steve@blueskystudios.com "New art will violate what you think good art is, and should be measured not by immediate pleasure but by the shock and challenge to your expectations." - Eugene M. Schwartz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 16:50:55 -0500 From: Paula_Carino@usccmail.lehman.com (Paula Carino) Subject: Re[2]: film stuff 12/11 AM I'm disappointed by everybody's disappointment. I thought Robyn's performance was moving, and I think it's a great bit of luck that a CONCERT FILM--a rarity in these days of MTV and the Internet--is being made about my favorite songwriter by one of the coolest American directors. And being part of the filming was one of the most interesting musical experiences of 1996 for me. It would be great, and fitting, if the film had all those boffo added extras, but even if it doesn't, it will still be great. Good lord, people, haven't any of you ever seen Rust Never Sleeps? I wonder if people are feeling possessive of Robyn and nervous that he will become huge as a result of the movie. Just a guess. -paula ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .