From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #237 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 237 Friday November 22 1996 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Greasy Quiff/Jet Set Re: Greasy Quiff/Jet Set crablings/glassflesh Re: Billy and Robyn and Deni (oh my!) who is william blake? Re: Greasy Quiff/Jet Set Re: Album Liszt Re: Feg Digest V4 #235 Re: Rhino Rhino Robyn's Greatest Re: Vigin Fegmaniac Re: A solution to the Bragg List Quandary (Tongue firmly in RH on TV? re: RH on TV? fwd: RH on TV? Re: Greasy Quiff/Jet Set Re: Jet Set Flyer etc etc Bucketful of Brains Recently De-Virginized Fegmaniac Film tix/NY Times review ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 16:10:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Greasy Quiff/Jet Set >> > Anyhow, Jet Set Flier and Greasy Quiff were official releases. >> > Not big official releases, but official releases nonetheless. >> >> Didn't Robyn deny any involvement with greasy quiff and jet set >> flyer? In fact, didn't he not even know what they were? I remember >> someone asking him and that being his responce. > >Well, The Soft Boys definitely performed on both albums. ^^^^^^^^^^ how do you know? Have you heard these? All I've ever heard is Aidan saying that they are terrible. Some people think "Invisible Hitchcock" is terrible and I happen to like it a lot, so I'd be interested in a more detailed review. I would think anyone who HAS heard them would be able to say without a doubt whether or not Hitchcock's voice was present. Anyone? And if anyone can offer recording details surrounding these discs I'd be interested in seeing those. -rr ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 96 16:47:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: Greasy Quiff/Jet Set Thanks, Gene, for refreshing my memory. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:35:57 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: crablings/glassflesh If there is still a need for a branch to take john jones' place on the Crablings tape tree, I will make one more analog copy for the first person with awesome analog decks who emails me and is wiling to make lots of copies for other analog people. dubbing d>a for crablings is a pain b/c there are no less than THREE tape flips. after you've been doing DAT for a while, you really tire of tape flips! there are also other people who have DATs of it now who might be willing to do this (you'll have to edit out extraneous bits before "odds and ends" and "bog down in the valley" to make it fit on the b side of a 60 min). So who is coming to the glass flesh cd release party? at the moment it's scheduled for dec. 22... =b ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:58:51 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Billy and Robyn and Deni (oh my!) > >---------- Forwarded message (from that evil bragg list --jbj) > >FYI - the song Mystery Train that has been mentioned from the Atlanta > >show was also performed at the E-town recording in Boulder. Billy, > >Robyn, Deni and the little E-town band did it as a grand finale at > >the end of the show. It was great! Hopefully, it will be included > >in the broadcast version so that everyone who didn't get to see it > >in Boulder or Atlanta can enjoy it as well. Sarah when will/did the e town broadcast air, and will/did anyone record it? ------------------------------ From: "jeffery j vaska" Subject: who is william blake? Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 18:21:15 -0800 so says, wisenecker... (Has anyone noticed the irony that William Blake knew that the only true liberation came thru the induviduals soul/imagination, chasracterized as Los, whom could be one of Robyns alteridentities, not thru preaching to the converted and being holier than thou. Bragg can call his album whatever he wants--but the true spirit of Blake is part of what powers Robyn, and not one of the badly-educated reviewers picked up on this. Blake would have adored Robyn. In fact, when people say to me that Robyn dosnt make sense, I usually point out that people have been saying that about Blake for about 200 years, and yet, if given close study, Blake flowers into the consiousness much like Robyn does. Blake, like Robyn(and unlike Bragg) takes effort. You have to put your feeling intelligence into it before you can get anything out of it. And since Im on this tangent, if anyone is still reading I highly recommend Blakes JERUSALEM(not the song--the long poem) to Robyn fans this is some bio on blake... (b. Nov. 28, 1757, London--d. Aug. 12, 1827, London) was the first of the great English Romantic poets, as well as a painter, engraver and printer. Largely self-taught, he began writing poetry when he was twelve and was apprenticed to a London engraver at the age of fourteen. His poetry and visual art are inextricably linked. To fully appreciate one you must see it in context with the other. Blake is frequently referred to as a mystic, but this is not really accurate. He deliberately wrote in the style of the Hebrew prophets and apocalyptic writers. He envisioned his works as expressions of prophecy, following in the footsteps (or, more precisely strapping on the sandals) of Elijah and Milton. Most of Blake's paintings (such as "The Ancient of Days" to the left, the frontispiece to Europe: a Prophecy) are actually prints made from copper plates, which he etched in a method he claimed was revealed to him in a dream. He and his wife colored these prints with water colors. Thus each print is itself a unique work of art. As an artist Blake broke the ground that would later be cultivated by the Pre-Raphaelites there is a good deal of info on blake online, including many of his poems. go to: http://www.aa.net/~urizen/blake2.html their page is connected to some others - be sure to check out his paintings, the marriage of heaven and hell, and the proverbs of hell... the comparisons are totally appropriate...jv ps: for that matter, check out ALL the english romantics: wordsworth, shelley, coleridge, byron, keats... ____________________________________________________________ ethnic/world music director, kzuu 90.7 fm @ washington state university u.s. correspondent, brasil 2000 103.7 fm - sao paolo, brasil vaska, jeffery | jvaska@mail.wsu.edu http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~kzuu/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:19:17 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: Re: Greasy Quiff/Jet Set On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Russ Reynolds wrote: > Some people think "Invisible Hitchcock" is terrible and I happen > to like it a lot, so I'd be interested in a more detailed review. I just sat and listened to _Greasy Quiff_ and _Jet Set Flier_ all the way through, which I wouldn't do again for love or money. _GQ_ is an unmemorable set of folk songs. The sound quality is pretty poor; such lyrics as I could make out were also unmemorable. Most of the tracks have several people singing at once ("in harmony" isn't really accurate) and it's hard to pick out individual voices; the lead singer on a couple of the tracks on side 2 sound like Hitchcock, but these also have the poorest sound, so that might just be the power of suggestion at work. _Jet Set Flier_ isn't unmemorable. It's unlistenable. The arrangements are blander versions of the originals, competently and emotionlessly performed - it sounds like it was taped at a karaoke bar. The sound's a bit clearer on this one and I really don't think it's Hitchcock singing lead. Whoever it is seems to be faking the American accent as well - "popper" for "papa" in "The Coward of the County" is the real ringer, and he's overenunciating as well. Nevertheless I think Hitchcock was involved. If he says he wasn't, and Andy and Kimberly say he was, then somebody has to be lying; and I can't see any motivation to print someone's name on the liner notes on the off-chance that they might have a cult audience in ten years. I think both projects merit a footnote in the discography and nothing more. Tracy "for toast? how much toast?" Copeland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:59:01 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Album Liszt >From: Terrence M Marks >Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 03:12:01 -0500 (EST) >Subject: Album List > >Any I forgot? Kershaw sessions? James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 16:07:05 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Feg Digest V4 #235 >I like Nirvana alot. And I like Syd Barrett and The Beatles and the >Butthole Surfers and Cat Stevens (politics aside) and Ani DeFranco and >Joy Division and on and on and on. Music rules!!!! Agreed. I have some Nirvana in my collection too, right there on the shelf next to Harry Nillson and Nine Inch Nails. Their album "Nevermind" is, once you get past the hype, still pretty fantastic, and the Unplugged album shows that behind the anger and the fuzz of Seattle guitar, the songs were well crafted and often very beautiful. I also have some Simon and Garfunkel, some Abba and some Meat Puppets. Where you find joy and/or emotion listening to music, there is good music. Don't judge by what you think you should like. in the changer: Future Sound of London - Lifeforms; PIL - Compact Disc; Soft Boys - Underwater Moonlight; Joni Mitchell - Hejira; Hendrix - Axis/Bold as love. James ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 20:16:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Dot, the Itchy God." Subject: Re: Rhino On Thu, 21 Nov 1996, Griffith Davies wrote: > > Hello, > > set. However, they ARE working on a *Greatest Hits* package, which will > include at least one *rare* track. oh, great. read that as greatest hits lest one rare track. i put forth, here from this day forward, 'the campaign for real rarities'. no more should we suffer through songs out of album context for one half-arsed version of something we heard live or in some other form. with this progressive campaign, greatest hits shall be release only once--bad examples in the past here, clash compilations, and anything to do with p. weller's first band. a sub-component will be the legal mandate to release box-set rarity material on a separate disc in some form. > > This could be interesting and daunting task, just like the A&M Records > Greatest Hits project. i see the a&m project as daunting only to the simians who compiled it. only through clever manipulation and time were there opposable thumbs able to stop the tape and start the other in the middle of OLPOE and start the other one. the greatest feat for the was *not* eating the banana on the cover (you can clearly see one of their hands going for it just as the photo was snapped). > Just out of curiosity, how many RH cd's have been released in the last > two years? my count is 46 to date. this sets a all time record for re-issues within a artists lifetime. this number does not included the limited edition picture plate set from the franklin mint, which number 5. backing off the soap box, .chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 23:53:18 -0400 From: "David C. Olstein" Subject: Rhino Robyn's Greatest >Jim said that they are not working on, or have any plans for, a boxed >set. However, they ARE working on a *Greatest Hits* package, which will >include at least one *rare* track. He said they hope to coincide this >release with the release of the Jonathon Demme project. Call me a dreamer, but wouldn't it be great if Rhino modeled their greatest hits package after the Ryko Soft Boys Anthology -- two discs, with a healthy dose of unreleased live and studio recordings. There should still be several unreleased tracks left over from the You and Oblivion material. I remember that back when Rhino announced the RH reissues, there were some speculation that Rhino would also acquire the rights to Robyn's A&M material, and reissue those with bonus tracks. I haven't heard anything about that since, and right now I think nearly all of his A&M albums (Queen Elvis being the exception) are still in print, so I guess it won't happen. Sigh. ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 01:53:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Vigin Fegmaniac > Isn't "Jet Set Flyer" the second rarest bootleg in the world? I seem to > remember that there was only one album rated as rarer and more expensive, > and the name stuck in my head because it goes by the euphonious title of > "Dodo Resurrection". I assume that's an eponymous title, although I have > never heard of the band in question (apparently no one has, or it wouldn't > be so damn rare :)). Which raises the question.........how are these > things rated/appraised/priced? Why such demand for "Dodo Resurrection"? > And, not to ruffle any feathers or anything, but why would you want to > spend so much money on recordings widely reputed to be embarassingly > awful? Guess I just don't really have the collector's bug :). I believe that it's "Nostradamus" by "Dodo Ressurection" (or maybe "Dodo Ressurection" by "Nostradamus"...dunno..never heard of either band, apart from this album) And, I believe, the first version of Bob Dylan's "Freewheeling Bob Dylan" is even more rare and valuable. WHy so expensive? Collectors use them as barter. Basically, the average owner is lucky to get half of that.. ($500 is *still* an obscene amount of money to pay for a bad Hitchcock album. I'm kinda miffed that I spent $15 on You & Oblivion..) Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 10:15:28 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: A solution to the Bragg List Quandary (Tongue firmly in cheek) On 20 Nov 1996, Aidan Cully wrote: > This is all well and good, but what if something goes wrong, and they end > up stuck in 1917? They will all move to California and succeed in getting > Upton Sinclair elected governor, the worldwide communist revolution will > have come to this country, Billy Bragg will be singing about Capitalism, > and we shall have this same plot and they will go back in time and succeed > in *NOT* getting Upton Sinclair elected governor, ad infinitum, and all in > all there will be a tremendous population boom in 1917. > Is this what you want? And, as stated earlier, all it takes is one Bragg > fan to misunderstand the lighthearted nature of destroying the time-space > fabric for everything to become really nasty. I would have thought that Brannart Morphail's "Morphail Effect" would prevent this from happening... (see Michael Moorcock: 'Dancers at the End of Time'). - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 15:25:04 +0100 (CET) From: James Isaacs Subject: RH on TV? Sinc eRobyn shall soon be in New York, is there a chance he could appear on Late Night? Could there be any way someone could call NBC and ask? James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:52:39 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: re: RH on TV? James asked: >Since Robyn shall soon be in New York, is there a chance he could appear >on Late Night? Could there be any way someone could call NBC and ask? Well, I dunno about that, but I did see Uncle Bobby on TV last Wednesday, sort of. Towards the end of the last episode of Beverly Hills, 90210, there was a discussion between Valerie and David about the plight of the Peach Pit After Dark night club in Valerie's office in the club, and during a particularly tense scene, a poster of Robyn appeared on the wall to Valerie's left. Kinda funny how the look on Robyn's face in the poster made the entire scene look as foolish as it really was. It looked like a promo poster from the Spectre days. Valerie's poster is filled with promo posters for alternative bands, 'cause she runs a hip club and all. My fiancee laughed at me as I jumped out of the sofa. I mean, really, Robyn just appeared out of nowhere on the TV. I was happily astounded. Guess you had to be there. Yikes. Am I showing my breeding? __________________________________________________ Gene Hopstetter, Jr. +++ Internet Publishing Specialist E-DOC +++ http://journals.at-home.com/ Voice: (410) 691-6265 +++ Fax: (410) 684-2788 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 09:31:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: fwd: RH on TV? ======== Original Message ======== Sinc eRobyn shall soon be in New York, is there a chance he could appear on Late Night? Could there be any way someone could call NBC and ask? James ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== it would probably be on their Web site. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 09:52:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: Greasy Quiff/Jet Set Between bites of toast, Tracy reported: > Nevertheless I think Hitchcock was involved. If he says he >wasn't, and Andy and Kimberly say he was, then somebody has to be lying; Who have Andy and Kimberley told this to? >and I can't see any motivation to print someone's name on the liner notes >on the off-chance that they might have a cult audience in ten years. I can't see any motivation to release an album that is virtually unlistenable either. If he WAS involved, his role was apparently very minor. When did Robyn EVER have a minor role in the Soft Boys? >I >think both projects merit a footnote in the discography and nothing more. I think both projects merit a more thorough investigation. - Russ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 18:51:51 +0000 From: am@enterprise.net (Aidan) Subject: Re: Jet Set Flyer etc etc >Isn't "Jet Set Flyer" the second rarest bootleg in the world? I seem to >remember that there was only one album rated as rarer and more expensive, >and the name stuck in my head because it goes by the euphonious title of >"Dodo Resurrection". I assume that's an eponymous title, although I have >never heard of the band in question (apparently no one has, or it wouldn't >be so damn rare :)). Which raises the question.........how are these >things rated/appraised/priced? Why such demand for "Dodo Resurrection"? >And, not to ruffle any feathers or anything, but why would you want to >spend so much money on recordings widely reputed to be embarassingly >awful? Guess I just don't really have the collector's bug :). > >Susan The Dodo Resurrection album is called _Nostradamus_, on the Elegaic label (catalogue number SNT 7926, if you fancy popping down to the shop for a copy), and is listed in the current _Record Collector Price Guide_ at the very reasonable cost of GBP1500 (a little over US$2200). The band went on to change their name to 'The Underwater Hairdressers', and released the single 'Swimmin with the Wimmin/Underneath the Dryers', complete with free sachet of henna. There was a lengthy article on them in _Record Collector_ a couple of years ago, which I've since thrown away. Neither this not _Jet Set flyer_ were bootlegs - they were both official releases. These things are rated/appraised/priced by _Record Collector_, who survey dealers, auction houses and fanzines. Part of the reason for the silly prices is that all three of the above have been known, on occasion, to double the prices they quote on things they're hoping to sell, then sell them at the original price to people who think they're now getting a huge bargain. And part of the reason is that there's a buttload of people out there with more money than sense. The most valuable thing released under the Robyn Hitchcock/Soft Boys name is the original _Give It To The Soft Boys_ (with 'Vyrna Knowl' instead of 'Ventilator'), which sells at approx =A3130 ($200). Oh, and Terry, you left the (much underrated) _Plutonium Express_ off your list of albums. Surely anything that could drag Robyn Hitchcock, Paul Roland, Matthew Seligman and Alex Chilton onto one album's worthy of a mention... Oh (II), and if anyone wants to insult me in person they'll find me manning the t-shirt stall at Box Office Poison's gig at The Weavers, 98 Newington Green Road, London N1, on 13th December. The first 10 people to turn up with flyers get a free signed photo of my friend Misty playing the cello in the nude, too. Admission =A35. The 'secret mystery guest' mentioned on the flyer is Eleanor Rigby, by the way. First band on 9.00 pm, but they're that shitty band that always used to be on Jonathan Ross who do the set comprised entirely of 60s TV theme tunes, so I think one could safely turn up late. Check out Box Office Poison's web page on http://www.netlink.co.uk/users/sonic/bop.htm, too. Not like I'm trying to pressure you or anything. Oh (III), happy birthday, Odious. Love you all like you were my very own children, Aidan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 11:01:50 -0800 (PST) From: Griffith Davies Subject: Bucketful of Brains Quick question: What RH Tracks (and in what issues) have appeared in *Bucketful of Brains*? Thanks htiffirg ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies hbrtv219@email.csun.edu ------------------------------ From: Terry_Linnig@hccompare.com Date: Fri, 22 Nov 96 16:16:43 cst Subject: Recently De-Virginized Fegmaniac What is the origin and significance of the 'tape tree'? Waiting in blissful ignorance, Guntarski ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 21:38:50 -0800 From: txc@echonyc.com (Tom X. Chao) Subject: Film tix/NY Times review I left my name and number on the voice mail for the film at 10:00 am on Monday, after 5 tries in an hour. I have not heard anything yet. The review in the NY Times on Monday was written by a Ben Ratliff and he didn't seem to know what he was talking about either. I usually don't quibble much with Strauss or Pareles, though. TXC ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .