From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #234 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 234 Tuesday November 19 1996 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Career Arc.... stuff... Re: A chord question Re: Career Arc.... kitten on the keys Obscure / overlooked bands (no Robyn content) Re: Rain, rain, rain, I don't mind.... Re: Obscure / overlooked bands (no Robyn content) Lloyd Cole (no Robyn content...AGAIN) Found and Lost .... Re: Don't waste you time reading this! THIS SUCKS BIG TIME!!!! I just got a phone call... Northampton Gig cancelled! Legalized Murder Lyrics john jones's tape tree Re: Long lists Lead Coffee Cup Robyn records Re: Lead Coffee Cup OTC/NMH (no hitchcocK) this snippet from the Washington Post HELP! rareties compilation (greedy jim) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 20:24:02 -0500 (EST) From: Eugene Subject: Re: Career Arc.... On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, E.B. wrote: > >From: RxBroome@aol.com > > > >The zenith of Robyn's popularity was around 1991 and 1992, with "Perspex" and > >the single, you know, "Love Is a Terrible Thing to Waste" or whatever. > > How do you arrive at that conclusion? Wouldn't the earlier "Balloon > Man"/"Madonna Of The Wasps" period be Robyn's commercial peak? > > Broome#2 > > > No, I think "Perspex" was his most commercially successful album, though maybe not his most commercially acclaimed. More random people know "So You Think You're In Love," but more people who know something about Robyn or "alternative music" or whatever like Balloon Man, I think. That's my take, if it makes sense. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tipper Gore said to Lou Reed, "Lou Reed, how can we communicate better with our children?" Lou Reed responded, "We would probably have to sit down and talk about it over a bottle of scotch, and maybe, some crack." It's back! My lovely Humor Home page: http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~ebmF92 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "jeffery j vaska" Subject: stuff... Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 20:33:39 -0800 hi fegs! nickwink says... >PART B - ..when the revolution comes >I'd like to add my name to the list of those relieved that the so-called >war' on the Bragg list, however benign, has come to naught. IMHO it >would only take one bozo on the Bragg list to misunderstand/take it the >wrong way and the whole thing would escalate into a conflict of galactic >proportions. Good intentions do not always indicate a good outcome. i say...while i admit to being one of THOSE people who thought it would fun, i must agree with nick. this almost certainly would have been the case (and it would have been glorious! - uhm, i didn't say that). i respectfully offer my resignation as co-head mucker... also... >I like V's idea of sharing our musical treasures with others >on the list, but I'm not sure that everyone will be so happy about list >bandwidth being used in this way. I haven't seen much response so far, >but I imagine things will warm up once people start posting. so far i think only one person has posted any kind of message with their fave bands - i think everybody could benefit from this exchange. i am going to post one right now. have you ever heard of... UI or HIM. they are on SOUTHERN RECORDS (from chicago - they dominate), and have been doing quite a bit of recording. both of them (interchangeable members) play varying degrees of free-form rock or eclectic rock/jazz (you pick a style that suits your fresh breath). who knows how to describe them, quite unique. they have been touring and recording extensively with the likes of bill laswell, southern records, and even the gang at grand royal (beastie boys, butter 08, etc). if you haven't heard them yet, i believe that in a year or two they are going to get some serious press, and be hailed as the new avant-garde jazz thing (which we all know is just a cover up for the roswell incident)... and finally, for you all because it's just lovely to hear some good prose...from lord byron... The Vision of Judgement...stanza 66 A merry, cock-eyed, curious-looking sprite Upon the instant started from the throng, Dress'd in a fashion now forgotten quite; For all the fashions of the flesh stick long By people in the next world; where unite All the costumes since Adam's, right or wrong, >From Eve's fig-leaf down to the petticoat, Almost as scanty, of days less remote. is it me, or does heaven sound like a huge drag show? it's me, right? rock on...jv ____________________________________________________________ ethnic/world music director, kzuu 90.7 fm @ washington state university u.s. correspondent, brasil 2000 103.7 fm - sao paolo, brasil vaska, jeffery | jvaska@mail.wsu.edu http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~kzuu/ ------------------------------ From: SVagrant@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:14:44 -0500 Subject: Re: A chord question In a message dated 96-11-18 16:40:24 EST, you write: << Usually it means that you add the scale degree which corresponds to the number to the chord (which already includes the 1st, 3rd, and 5th). Thus, a seventh chord consists of the 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 7th degrees within a scale. For example, E7 is E(which is the 1st note in E major), G#(3rd), B(5th), and D(7th). Although, I should warn you that some people use numbers to refer to the fret on which a bar chord is to be played. If this makes no sense, I can try again, Andy On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, David Willems wrote: > > > What does it mean when there is a number in parenthases after a chord > (ex. A(5) etc..)? > > If it means further up on the fret board how does one play it? > > Thanks, > > David > >> Generally, When a chord is designated with a (5) it means that the chord is to be played with no 3rd (A -E-A, for example, the 3rd, C#, is left out). The is what is also referred as a power chord. Power chords are what the 'old lady was made of'. Andy was right as well that when a (#) is written next to a chord it usually means a note in addition to the basic triad of the chord. For example, an A6 chord would would have the basic triad, A-C#-E, and the sixth, F#. I hope that helps you David. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 21:29:59 -0800 (PST) From: "Dot, the Itchy God." Subject: Re: Career Arc.... On Mon, 18 Nov 1996, Eugene wrote: > No, I think "Perspex" was his most commercially successful album, > though maybe not his most commercially acclaimed. More random people know > "So You Think You're In Love," but more people who know something about my take on this is that i was in a gap store (no comment from the peanut gallery here, i was shoplifting at the time, so its o.k.) and heard SYTYIL on the instore stereo broadcast device. dare i say this can be inferred as an indicator of something, perhaps commercial success? but, there are those out there in the days when what would devolve into 'alternative' was called 'indie' and know quite well balloon man. .chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:29:45 -0800 From: chao@mail.voyagerco.com (Tom X. Chao) Subject: kitten on the keys >Oh, BTW, Billy Bragg didn't say, "I fell on my KEYS", he said, "I fell on >my KITTENS!" Somehow this is not as funny to me, but I will apologize for putting the wrong word into Billy's mouth. (Goddamn row T, a million miles from the Beacon stage.) Thanx to lj lindhurst for setting the record straight. By "negative space," I meant blackness, which appeared to swallow up Robyn and Billy if you had the misfortune to sit in goddamn row T. I should have spent the extra nine dollars or whatever for the really high priced tickets and sat in row S. TXC ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 02:36:21 -0500 Subject: Obscure / overlooked bands (no Robyn content) Alright, I finally got it together to do this. Look forward to additions as I'm sure I'm going to leave off some winners. Let's go way obscure for the time being. Plasticland- Great pycho-delic band from the mid-1980's. They went the FULL psych route down to the clothes and swirling cover art. Jellyfish are the Archies in comparison (no slight). Released on CD, but out of print since their label, Pink Dust / Enigma went out of business. Look for Wonder Wonderful Wonderland (1985), Plasticland (1984), and Salon (1986 or 87). You'll love 'em! Close Lobsters- UK jangle-masters from 1987-1989. On the Fire label in UK (home of Blue Aeroplanes) and Enigma in the US (Sorry, folks, out of print again). They fit nice with the first Wedding Present lp, The Smiths, and all those great bands that ruled right before the Madchester deal. Foxheads Stalk This Land (1987), What Is There To Smile About (EP - 1988), and Headache Rhetoric (1989) make up their discography. If you locate HR on import from the UK, you get Foxheads as a bonus- GREAT PACKAGE! Cud- UK boys again, who had their brief day in the NME in between Suede and Oasis. Check out the album Asquarius (A&M- 1992). This one is in the cut out or used bins (as a promo ALWAYS) all the time. Frazier Chorus- If you like sweet techo-pop like the Lightning Seeds, you'll probably dig the Chorus. First UK release, Sue, is good, as is their second (and US debut) Ray . I'll kiss any Feg who can find me the latter for cheap!! The Hollow Men- Signed by Arista amid the Madchester craze, The Hollow Men had a great pop record called Cresta around 1990-91 that went nowhere but straight to the cut out bins. A product of its time, no doubt, but still great. Orange Juice- Edwyn "A Girl Like You" Collins' first band from the early to mid 80's. A major influence on David Gedge from The Wedding Present early on. They jangle like no one else!! Check out the debut You Can't Hide Your Love Forever (1981) and their final, self titled release from 1984. BRILLIANT! NEW BANDS Sugarbuzz / Brian Leach- GREAT power pop! If you like Material Issue, Matthew Sweet, or 1970's AM radio, you'll LOVE this stuff. Brian's solo from 1994 is called The Sunrise Nearly Killed Me and is simply flawless. His new band, Sugarbuzz, have an equally great new one called Three Mil Thick. Order from Parasol Records at http://www.cu-online.com/~parasol (a great mail order company in its own right, so check it out!) Moxy Fruvous- >From Toronto Canada, these guys put on live shows to rival Robyn for intimacy and humor. Debut Bargainville (1994) is on Atlantic. Two more are import only for now. Sort of a male version of The Roches, but they rock way more. Kinda like Robyn, no words really describe them or their talent. The Rugburns- WAY funny rockers from San Diego. Check out Morning Wood and their latest Taking The World By Donkey (Priority). Once again, see them live!!!! I'll personally refund your money if you don't enjoy yourself!!!! Old 97's- Dallas rockers with a distictive country twang. You might call this "Y'all-te rnative." They SMOKE, folks! Latest release is called Wreck Your Life (Blood shot Records). So good that Elektra just signed them to a 6 record deal!!! You'll say you heard it here first. Jolene- North Carolina rockers in the vein of Murmur era R.E.M. Debut is called Hell's Half Acre on Ardent Records and mixes that R.E.M. sound with pedal steel guitar for a great southern flavor. Blindingly brilliant live and most certainly headed for the big time. If they don't make it, music is doomed. Five big, fat stars!!! Is that overload enough for now? Hope you all don't mind this on the list, but I wasn't sure where else this is supposed to go. (WOJ? Am I in violation for posting this here?) Hope some of you find some stuff you like here; I look forward to hearing some of your suggestions!!!! Cheers, Jay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 00:22:31 -0700 From: gondola@deltanet.com (E.B.) Subject: Re: Rain, rain, rain, I don't mind.... >From: rgodfrey@swlink.net (Ryan Godfrey) > >I'm not really sure what is meant by the rain forest thing. I'm >half-tempted to accuse the reviewer of offensively willful quirkiness. > >--rdG Perhaps referring to the lush, "wet" sound of albums like Perspex Island? EB ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 01:45:59 -0800 (PST) From: Dollymop Subject: Re: Obscure / overlooked bands (no Robyn content) Hey, On Plasticland...yes yes yes, they are great, "Salon" being my favorite. However, as their original albums are out of print, interested parties might want to look into two re-issues: "Mink Dress and Other Cats", a collection of singles and EPs and "Dapper Snappings", their "lost album". John Frankovic, one of Plasticland's movers and shakers, is now producing (and occasionally guesting on sitar) an interesting band called the Petals. To plug one of my own favorites, look into Tiny Lights for an eclectic good time, somewhat reminiscent of Camper Van Beethoven. If you ever find "Hazel's Wreath" snatch it up immediately, but those with less luck would do well to check out their "best-of" CD "The Young Person's Guide to Tiny Lights." -chad ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:12:18 -0500 Subject: Lloyd Cole (no Robyn content...AGAIN) Hey, Fegs, I'm looking for the Lloyd Cole news group, but I can't seem to locate it. Are any of you on it? Certainly there must be Cole fans among us?! Please help! Sincerely, Jay Hedblade@aol.com ------------------------------ From: NJARMAN@frmail.rosemount.com Subject: Found and Lost .... Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 03:57:11 -0600 Dear Fegs, I would just like to thank everybody for posting set lists and stories from Robyn's US Tour. Here in the UK we are all living the experience virtually through your words. I assume that most of the concerts are being taped by list members all over the US. Here is an idea. How about assembling all these recordings into one place. Producing a definitive recording of every song he sang on tour, including the funniest of the stories and banter and assembling them into (double tape probably) of the 96 US tour! I would very much like a copy of this. Any chance of somebody with the appropriate kit to burn a few CD's? Some List members have photos of the tour to make packaging. Oh well just an idea - anybody else interested in such a recording? Cheers, Nigel Jarman PS I was recently burgled, and along with my CD player they also took my entire CD collection :-( The Police have had no luck finding any of my stuff, so the insurance will have to pay for replacements. (although I'm not exactly sure how much I will get) Consequently my 20 or so Robyn Albums now need replacing. I can get all the Rhino stuff over here quite easy, but if anybody wants to volunteer to find me another "Queen Elvis" or "Greatest Hits" CD I would appreciate it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 09:19:56 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Don't waste you time reading this! On Mon, 18 Nov 1996 HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com wrote: > I noticed from (excessive) listening to Inv. Hits that the version of > Rock'n'Roll Toilet on the CD that sounds the most like the Rolling > Stones is the first one where everyone plays the wrong instruments. I > think the general scrappiness adds to the illusion. (Susan - Please > don't tell me you love Mr Jagger as well. If you had his lips & Mr > Davies nose you wouldn't have much facial real estate left for > anything else.) I always took Rock and Roll Toilet as being a Stones parody. Maybe that's just me :). I am not as big a fan of Mr. Jagger, who is not nearly as inventive a songwriter as Bignose- lots of people write songs about trains, but he wrote one in the persona of a train, which is unique in my experience (not to mention that one about an 18 year old boy losing his virginity to a she-male- what was that called again? :)). Susan P.S. The other day I was having drinks with a charming fellow who was telling me all about Julian Cope having written a book about German rock. Truth? Fiction? Merely rumor? I'm sure someone around here can tell me something about this. It really piqued my curiosity. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:14:24 -0500 From: Alex Tanter Subject: THIS SUCKS BIG TIME!!!! Sorry guys but I'm ticked off. Just got a call that the Iron Horse show for Dec. 4 has been cancelled. I'm not overly thrilled with Mr. Hitchcock at the moment. ARGH! Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:18:25 -0500 (EST) From: Eugene Subject: I just got a phone call... The Northampton box office called and said the Robyn show for the 4th of December at the Iron Horse is cancled. I can't believe it. Twice. Oh well. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tipper Gore said to Lou Reed, "Lou Reed, how can we communicate better with our children?" Lou Reed responded, "We would probably have to sit down and talk about it over a bottle of scotch, and maybe, some crack." It's back! My lovely Humor Home page: http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~ebmF92 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 11:44:37 -0500 From: Stephen Foskett Subject: Northampton Gig cancelled! Just got a call from the Northampton Box Office. The RH show has been cancelled AGAIN! Argh! Stephen -- Stephen Foskett sfoskett@mass-usr.com U.S. Robotics, Massachusetts R&D Lab ------------------------------ From: SVagrant@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 12:23:16 -0500 Subject: Legalized Murder Lyrics Does anyone know what the final line in the first verse of Legalized Murder is?? Here's what I've got. I certain on everything except the last line. I got this from the web site. But the last line that was there I don't think is right. Legalized Murder In the hall of legalized murder A young black man is waiting for his death He killed a white policeman Or so they say And the judges (want his breath?), (word is death? I don't hear this but this is what was on the web site. Thanks for any help. Matt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 12:54:06 -0500 From: Alex Tanter Subject: john jones's tape tree Hi. I've emailed John Jones 3 times about the tape tree and have had no response so I'm wondering if there's something wrong with his email. Has anyone else on his tape tree, especially leaves, gotten tapes done? Could someone please let me know what's up? Thanks! Alex Tanter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:12:34 -0500 From: "Daniel J. Troy" Subject: Re: Long lists Since James Dignan mentioned so many bands from down under (Chris Knox, the Chills, the Bats, Paul Kelly, etc.), I feel I should add one more. Does anyone know of Australia's Richard Davies? He's put out some wonderful albums with the Moles, Cardinal, and now as a solo artist. He specializes in beautiful, artfully-constructed pop songs, somewhere along the lines of the Zombies' Odessey and Oracle days. The Cardinal album (eponymously named) combines his excellent songwriting with the fine arrangements of Eric Matthews (a fine performer on his own - plus he sounds a lot like Nick Drake!). Davies' last solo album, "There's Never Been a Crowd Like This" is wonderful though more spartan in its production. I prefer the Cardinal CD, but highly recommend both of them. Also, fans of lo-fi Revolver-style rock/pop will be blown away by the Olivia Tremor Control. I think they're from Atlanta, but you'd never guess they weren't from Liverpool. They only have one CD, and (darn it!) I can't remember the name. The songs are highly creative loopy masterpieces and have an excellent acidy guitar sound. Thumbs up! Dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:33:51 -0800 (PST) From: Griffith Davies Subject: Lead Coffee Cup I apologize if this has been discussed before, but is the song "Mystery Train" that Robyn, Billy, and Deni performed the same song that is on the Rykodisc release "The Soft Boys 1976-81"? Thanks Griffith (whose memory is fading because of that lead coffee cup). ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies hbrtv219@email.csun.edu ------------------------------ From: jlgr@concentric.net Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 13:46:21 -0500 (EST) Subject: Robyn records Hey cats, I was at work on Friday night (I work at Subterranien records in NYC) and I was putting away some records when I stumbled across some robyn 45's. If anyone's interested, we've got the Man Who Invented Himself 45 (great cover), we've got the If You Were A Priest 45 (similar cover to element Of Light), We've got a flexi that came with BOB magazine that's got flesh#1, and Deck of Cards live. It's a soft Boys / peter Buck thing. (pretty cool) Also have the Near The Soft Boys Kingdom of Love / Vegetable Man / Strange 45 with a great cartoon on the back cover...There's also some other stuff floating around the store, but these I thought were really interesting ( I bought a copy of each for myself actually.) well, by for now Thomas ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Lead Coffee Cup Date: Tue, 19 Nov 96 10:54:17 -0800 From: Tom Clark "How do you work this thing?" Griffith asks: >I apologize if this has been discussed before, but is the song "Mystery >Train" that Robyn, Billy, and Deni performed the same song that is on the >Rykodisc release "The Soft Boys 1976-81"? Yes. I believe through subsequent discussion we've established that it was written by Julian Cope when he was 7 years old and living in Memphis. -tc ************************************* * Tom Clark * Apple Computer, Inc. * tclark@apple.com * tclark@netgate.net * http://www.netgate.net/~tclark ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 14:38:02 -0600 From: "badger (but occasionally Brett Lanier)" Subject: OTC/NMH (no hitchcocK) Daniel J. Troy wrote >Also, fans of lo-fi Revolver-style rock/pop will be blown away by the >Olivia Tremor Control. I think they're from Atlanta, but you'd never guess >they weren't from Liverpool. They only have one CD, and (darn it!) I can't >remember the name. The songs are highly creative loopy masterpieces >and have an excellent acidy guitar sound. Thumbs up! What do you think of OTC's constant collaborator, Neutral Milk Hotel? I have the one LP, and ther's only two songs on it that I like. Jeff Mangum can right a damned catchy pop song, but most of the stuff I have by him (bootlegs off his four-track from exgirlfiend of his) is horrible, IMHO. Oh, the OTC title is 'Dawn at Cubist Castle,' right? They have had some more songs out on vinyl, 7"s. (Which you probably already know.) I like those, but fear getting the CD, because it may disappoint me like 'On Avery Island.' badger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 22:11:04 -0800 From: Stephanie Cangin (by way of Kymm Zuckert ) Subject: this snippet from the Washington Post Another forward from the Bragg list Do y'all get the feeling this guy left early? later... Steph =20 Hitchcock And Bragg: Alternate Takes Friday, November 15 1996; Page D08 The Washington Post=20 Robyn Hitchcock and Billy Bragg are both English rock-folkies who tend to chat a lot between songs, which is apparently the kinship that led to the "co-headlining" tour that arrived at the 9:30 club Wednesday. What they chat about, however, is quite different: While Bragg is a socialist, Hitchcock is a surrealist. "I'm from the 1960s. I'm going back after the show," Hitchcock announced before beginning a set that demonstrated some of his debts to Roger McGuinn, John Lennon and Syd Barrett. (The latter's crackup was actually mentioned in a song about 1974 that also included Nixon's resignation and Monty Python's last TV series.) The set included such college radio hits as "Balloon Man"= and "Heaven" as well as several songs from his new album, "Moss Elixir," including some that featured violinist Deni Bonet. As always, Hitchcock mixed playful absurdism with genuine dread of mortality. As he said introducing the exuberant "Yip Song," "here's one about death and cancer." Bragg played a set that was quite similar to the one he performed at the club in June, but updated with a new set of amusing observations on American culture and politics. -- Mark Jenkins =A9 Copyright 1996 The Washington Post Company ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 17:50:21 -0500 Subject: HELP! Hey Fegs! I've got a line on The Bob magazine issue #30 that claims to have a Robyn flexi with it. Can you all help me. Tell me what this is! Sincerely, Jay ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Nov 96 17:28:43 -600 From: spine@iastate.edu (James Francis) Subject: rareties compilation (greedy jim) there was talk, months ago, of a rareties compilation which would cover all or a lot of the recent b-sides, obscurely released songs, etc., that weren't included on the "greatest hits." is anyone still working on this? among the things i remember really hoping would be there were: the early "she was sinister but she was happy," "creatures of light," "as lemons dr/chop," and oh, it seems like there were other recent rare things that only appeared in some obscure magazines or places like that. it was NOT to be a compilation of live rareties, but things that have actually BEEN released but which are just really hard to find (like "deck of cards" and things). anyway, just wondering if this is still in the works. ? singing the little bit of "1974" i can remember over and over and over, "jim" francis ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .