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Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: NEXT Re: Train Train Philadelphia Inquirer article Re: War My final word Re: War Meet before the Boston show tomorrow? mystery train/trend Still not convinced In response to being yelled at. brickbats Re: Philadelphia Inquirer Re: My final word Billy and Robyn do an encore together Re: Train Train A moment of your time, please Re: And in the red corner... Kula Shaker misc. stuff... Re: A moment of your time, please ------------------------------ From: Critica@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:11:14 -0500 Subject: Re: NEXT In a message dated 96-11-14 23:14:36 EST, Marcy writes: << Got a phone call from NEXT tickets today telling me the Boston show has been moved. I wonder if they called because of the email I sent them saying I thought it was very unprofessional of them not to tell people! Marcy >> I got the same phone call yesterday afternoon. Nice early warning eh? Thank God for this mailing list! --Becky ------------------------------ From: jlaw@qucis.queensu.ca (Jeffrey Lawrence) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 10:16:08 EST Subject: Re: Train Train >From: KeN SaBaTiNi >The song was some kind of cover I'd say, but I was not familiar with it. Billy >stepped out from behind the stage and was helped into a guitar by stage hand >person, while Billy told him the key and the chords of the song. Billy looked >a bit bewildered by it all--definitely not confident at first. It seemed like >it was a last minute idea by Robyn to do a song. The song was a midtempo >countryish/rock-ee number with opening lyrics something like "Train train __ >___ ___?" and then "Big old train, 16 counties long" later it had something >about the train taking people away (it was not Train Train by Billy Bragg). That's cause it was "Mystery Train" by Julian Cope (or at least several people on the BB list said it was - this is one that I am not familiar with so I can't be absolutely certain...) Slainte! "To do easily what is difficult for others is the mark of talent. To do what is impossible for talent is the mark of genius." - Henri-Frederic Amiel (1821-81) JEFF LAWRENCE (jlaw@qucis.queensu.ca) | Systems Specialist Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences | Queens University, Kingston, Ontario, CANADA, K7L 3N6 | (613) 545-6656/545-6513(FAX) URL : http://www.qucis.queensu.ca/home/jlaw Canadian Job Source:http://www.irus.rri.uwo.ca/~jlaw/canjob.html ALBUMS OF THE WEEK OF Nov. 13 | 1)Billy Bragg - William Bloke 2)Robyn Hitchcock - Moss Elixir | 3)Richard Thompson - You?Me?Us? ------------------------------ From: Kymm Zuckert Subject: Philadelphia Inquirer article Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:21:24 -0500 Forwarded from the Bragg list: Two cult acts from Britain team up on a tour Their musical styles differ, but Robyn Hitchcock and Billy Bragg see themselves as kindred spirits. By Dan DeLuca INQUIRER STAFF WRITER On the surface, Billy Bragg and Robyn Hitchcock, who will share billing tomorrow night at the Keswick Theater, appear to be cut from the same cloth. Both are British singer-songwriters with longtime cult followings. Each is reappearing after a lengthy absence, and both are blessed with a gift of gab that often makes the spoken interludes the highlight of their concerts. But Bragg, whose new William Bloke (Elektra) is his first album in five years, and Hitchcock, whose Moss Elixir (Warner Bros.) is his first in four, are very different. Bragg is the realist. From his early '80s beginnings as an electric-guitar-wielding troubadour who was equal parts Woody Guthrie and the Clash, Bragg built a career railing against British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and wrote increasingly lyrical love songs that balanced pursuit of the happily-ever-after with his desire to change the world. Hitchcock is the fantasist. Since his late '70s stint with the Soft Boys, Hitchcock has woven surreal lyrics that are equal parts Syd Barrett and H. G. Wells into richly textured melodies that take their cues from the Byrds and Beatles. Where Bragg gravitates toward a chest-thumper such as the Rudyard Kipling-penned ``A Pict Song,'' which appears on William Bloke, Hitchcock is more likely to sing about a ``Globe of Frogs'' or ``Madonna of the Wasps.'' But Bragg and Hitchcock see themselves as two of a kind: a pair of eccentrics who offer, to quote a Hitchcock lyric, ``a sideways glance in a full-on world.'' ``People think of him as political, and me as weird,'' said Hitchcock, 42, while sipping afternoon tea in his San Francisco hotel. ``But we're both romantics at heart.'' ``He's eccentric because his lyrics are psychedelic. I'm eccentric because I'm a socialist,'' said Bragg, 38, over morning coffee and the newspaper in a Chicago hotel room, a few stops earlier in the duo's tour. ``I'd be upset if you called me a liberal. The outrage!'' Actually, said Hitchcock, ``we're both very left. Bill believes a socialism of the heart will prevail and we'll one day live together in harmony. I believe that the human race would have to take an evolutionary leap for that to happen, but I'd be quite happy if it did.'' Moss Elixir is a standout in a career that has spanned 16 albums and 19 years. Hitchcock -- who performs solo with occasional assistance from violinist Deni Bonet -- is known for his keening vocals and deceptively complex guitar; he keeps his songs free of timely references, the better to explore his unfettered imagination. The best of Hitchcock's surreal songs combine humor, a sense of wonder about the natural world, and a keen awareness of man's fleeting existence. ``Human beings are disgusting,'' he says, off on a tangent. ``Everyone gets to live their whole life as a conscious being, with death the last gift to be opened on Christmas Day. But people strive to acquire as much as they can, and spend their whole lives building up towers and such. And for what, really?'' A & M Records, which dropped Hitchcock following the release of Respect in 1992, has just put out a greatest-hits compilation. Rhino rereleased nine Hitchcock albums last year. And next month, director Jonathan Demme will shoot a Hitchcock performance in New York for a feature-length concert film to be released next year. Moss highlights such as ``Alright, Yeah,'' ``Heliotrope'' and ``The Speed of Things'' succeed, in part, because of their pristine production. ``I only wanted to put on the record what was necessary,'' explained Hitchcock. ``I wanted everything to count.'' Bragg -- who goes it alone on stage -- was prepared to follow up his 1991 album Don't Try This at Home when ``parenthood intervened.'' His partner, Juliette, was pregnant with their son, Jack, now 3. ``I made a conscious decision to not do this for a while,'' said Bragg, who kept busy by writing for London newspapers and hosting public radio programs. Parenthood's effect on Bragg, both politically and personally, is reflected in lovely William Bloke tunes such as ``From Red to Blue,'' in which he expresses dismay with a father who has let his principles slip, and ``Brickbat,'' which finds the foghorn-voiced singer content ``with the baby in the bathroom, with that big shell, listening for the sound of the sea.'' Being a performer ``encourages you to think you're the center of the universe,'' Bragg said. ``Someone brings your grilled cheese up to your room, and then you go out afterwards and everybody cheers. . . . ``But having kids gives you perspective. You don't have as much time, so you focus on things that are the most important things in your life. . . . And in the political sense, it's not all abstract anymore: You realize whose future you're working for.'' As Bragg's world changed, the world around him changed, too. Don't Try This at Home was recorded when Thatcher was in power and Republicans were in the White House. ``We're living in this post-ideological period where it's harder to locate your ideals than ever,'' said Bragg, repeating a question he's asked himself many times. ``So what's Billy Bragg going to write about?'' That uncertainty gives William Bloke the feel of a transitional album. On ``The Space Race Is Over,'' he rues the passage of time and of grand ambitions. On ``Upfield'' he uses a soccer metaphor to redouble his commitment to ``a socialism of the heart.'' (His recent albums are loaded with British football references, from ``Moving the Goalposts'' and ``God's Footballer'' to the new ``Goalhanger.'' Must be why his American audiences are filled with ``soccer moms,'' he said, laughing.) ``On my last album, you could mention a buzzword in a song -- apartheid, Soviet Union, Reagan, Thatcher -- and everybody knew what you meant,'' Bragg said. ``But all that is gone. That's what I'm struggling with in `Red to Blue.' It's harder to be clear about where you stand in a song, and in your life.'' ------------------------------ From: jlaw@qucis.queensu.ca (Jeffrey Lawrence) Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 10:37:22 EST Subject: Re: War >From: TPJSHEDS@aol.com >Well that won't do. > >Full-out WAR anyone ? > >...Because I'm beginning to smell a big, fat, Billy Bragg, rat. > >Now, there's no way we can take those guys post for post. They've got a much >larger membership and "All Things Considered" is advertising the new B.B. >Album. > >But...and this is a big but...If we compile all of our 486's and all of our >Power Books in one massive, fully orchestrated attack...I think we stand a >damn good chance of catching those guys with their pants down! > >Whaddaya think ? I think this is the stupiest and lowest idea I've heard on the Internet ever in my 7 years being "connected". What are you - an adult or a child? Just because YOU don't like Billy Bragg does not mean that you have to spill your hate at the rest of us or them. People have a right to like whomever they want - I mean just cause I can't stand for example Captain Beefheart (sorry folks!) does not mean that I wanna go and attack their list! This is an example of infantile behaviour at it's worst. The characteristic that seems to be missing here is "tolerance" (ever heard of that word? I doubt it). People on the BB list had been complaining about the narrow mindeness of Robyn fans they'd met at the shows (not like there aren't any narrow-minded BB fans on that list either...) and I had been saying "but that's not what the Feg list is like" - I guess I was proven wrong and there are a minority of people out there who have childish blinders on, like a baby horse does. THANKFULLY Woj has hopefully intervened to calm down this situation so that it won't develop into something worse (thanks Woj!), but next time THINK before you start blabbering away like a hen. Think of it this way - would Robyn think you're "cool" for starting a flame war with BB's fans? No - he'd think that you were acting a jerk. So if you claim to be a Robyn "fan", be a little more tolerant (no one is saying you have to like BB or agree with BB - just respect his fans and him like he respects RH and his fans...) Slainte! "To do easily what is difficult for others is the mark of talent. To do what is impossible for talent is the mark of genius." - Henri-Frederic Amiel (1821-81) JEFF LAWRENCE (jlaw@qucis.queensu.ca) | Systems Specialist Dept. of Computing and Information Sciences | Queens University, Kingston, Ontario, CANADA, K7L 3N6 | (613) 545-6656/545-6513(FAX) URL : http://www.qucis.queensu.ca/home/jlaw Canadian Job Source:http://www.irus.rri.uwo.ca/~jlaw/canjob.html ALBUMS OF THE WEEK OF Nov. 13 | 1)Billy Bragg - William Bloke 2)Robyn Hitchcock - Moss Elixir | 3)Richard Thompson - You?Me?Us? ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:51:01 -0500 Subject: My final word OK, here's my final word on this as I'm not interested in you Fegs hitting "Delete" whenever my name is on your screen. To the wonderful and charming Susan, I address this: <> "12 year olds trying to rewrite "Revolver"--- That is the key. AGE. See my first paragraph: > Stop and think for a moment, folks. Bucking the trend when you're in your > teens or 20's is much easier than when you're in your late 30's - early 40's. << In short, it's hardly a punk revolution Mark II out there. There seems to be room for damn-near every style, with no one especially dominant.>> Good! We need more variety!! So why is it no one is playing Me'shell Ndegeogello? Selling like hot cakes- radio ignores her. If There REALLY is room for damn-near every style, then why is Craig Ross' great debut ("Dead Spy Report" MCA records) being snubbed? It's got everything from Beatles to Bowie on it. My point is, as wide as the styles may be, there is a certain "marketability" to the bands you mentioned (at least in the record company's eyes), and if true talent figures into it (like, say, in Beck's case, or dare I say, Fiona Apple), the big wigs are saying, "Hey, BONUS." Talent alone will not move product, and that is, I think, what Robyn was getting on about with the Nirvana statement. <> Agreed. I bow to you on this issue. I think, in short, it is Robyn's defence mechanism; the thing that attracts people and the thing that often keeps him from being able to REALLY open up or be understood by them. >He ain't Morrissey, after all!! <> No question here. I'm a long time Smiths fan and always give Morrissey a listen. The point was lost here. What I was saying is that Robyn, unlike Moz, has NEVER been one to complain about not being noticed or understood. Moz, as part of his design, practically screams this with every move. Final point. His quote stated that Nirvana "doomed" THE EGYPTIANS. Let's be clear, he didn't say they doomed his CAREER. Big difference. What the Egyptians represented in the face of "grunge" or whatever was possibly too much for the unit known as the Egyptians to carry. Again, let's just say they fought the tide a lot and after a while (at a certain AGE) it just isn't worth it to you personally. One of my favorite sayings goes like this: Q: "Why are you banging your head against the wall?" A: "Because it feels so good when I stop." And at this point, I stop banging my head as well. Kula Shaker? Indeed, I believe I'll be checking them out on Saturday! Everyone pick up the latest NME for a great interview with this very in-touch band. Can't say much about their record as I've only heard it once (liked it), but they've got their shit together personally, and I dig that. Cheers, Jay P.S. Susan, I still love you :) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:54:41 -0500 From: sister ernestine Subject: Re: War jeff sez: > THANKFULLY Woj has hopefully intervened to calm down this situation >so that it won't develop into something worse (thanks Woj!), in the credit-where-credit's-due department, chris and tracy get kudos for calling the proposed attack on the bragg list the stupid idea that it is and tom clark kindly pointed out that any retalition from braggers not subscribed to feg would end up in my mailbox. obviously, i can't stop anyone from engineering an attack on a mailing list, but i'd appreciate it if anyone intending to do so would not plan strategy on feg. woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:21:13 -0500 From: Stephen Foskett Subject: Meet before the Boston show tomorrow? I'm wondering if anyone would like to meet for dinner/drinks before the Boston show tomorrow! I'll be in the city (I live in the burbs) all day, having lunch at the Middle East and dinner at either the Border Cafe or Casa Mexico in Harvard Square. If anyone would like to meet, please drop me a line by tomorrow morning. My wife and I would love to meet up with some of you! And yes, the show HAS been moved to the Avalon. For those who don't know, that's near the now not-so-submerged Kenmore Station on the Green Line. Just get off there, come above ground, and look for Fenway Park. Avalon is on Landsdowne Street right next to Fenway. Let me know, all! Stephen -- Stephen Foskett sfoskett@mass-usr.com U.S. Robotics, Massachusetts R&D Lab ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:49:31 -0600 From: "badger (but occasionally Brett Lanier)" Subject: mystery train/trend At 10:16 AM 11/15/96 EST, you wrote: >>From: KeN SaBaTiNi >>The song was some kind of cover I'd say, but I was not familiar with it. Billy >>stepped out from behind the stage and was helped into a guitar by stage hand >>person, while Billy told him the key and the chords of the song. Billy looked >>a bit bewildered by it all--definitely not confident at first. It seemed like >>it was a last minute idea by Robyn to do a song. The song was a midtempo >>countryish/rock-ee number with opening lyrics something like "Train train __ >>___ ___?" and then "Big old train, 16 counties long" later it had something >>about the train taking people away (it was not Train Train by Billy Bragg). > >That's cause it was "Mystery Train" by Julian Cope (or at least >several people on the BB list said it was - this is one that I >am not familiar with so I can't be absolutely certain...) > Not too be picky, but Julian Cope's song is probably titled "Mystery Trend" on my copy of Jehovahkill. It sounds a lot like he's saying "train" though. Billy Bragg doing Cope? The lyrics don't sound right though. Sorry, this is just turning into a waste of a post, 'cause I'm confused. It doesn't look like "Mystery Trend" though. badger (I'm really confused. I sent it to the wrong place first try...) ------------------------------ From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 17:14:11 +0000 Subject: Still not convinced Item Subject: cc:Mail Text Jay sayeth on the subject of Diversity: > I don't think for a second that Robyn was POUTING about Nirvana- > simply pointing out that angry youth will always dwarf actual > song-crafting. He's a wood carver in an age of plastic injection > molding. And forgive him, for once, for saying so! He ain't > Morrissey, after all!! I don't think he was pouting, but he was hinting that one of the reasons he thought the Egyptians should end was the change in the music scene. He has to do his own thing regardless. It's all very well striving for acceptance, but trying to be something your not is the wrong way to go about it. I don't care what he does as long as it's from the heart. (sniff) (Hamish) P.S. A little trivia. Robyns ex-squeeze was Rosalind. Is this Rosalind Kunath who took piccies for SBs album sleeves, and is she related to Simon Kunath who played in Inv. Hitch.? P.P.S. I notice from the lyric of WWHUH on the fegpage the line "She's the one I LOATHE." Shouldn't it be love (but pronounced loave). That would be more in keeping with the sentiment of the preceding lines and it's what I hear (so yah boo sucks to you if you don't). ------------------------------ From: TPJSHEDS@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:20:05 -0500 Subject: In response to being yelled at. Jeffrey Lawrence, I think it's regrettable that you choose to lambaste group members for posting comments that you regard as unworthy of your standards. As a group, we are best informed by coactive participation and insults, such as yours, hurt peoples' feelings and make them less inclined to post something again. >What are you - an adult or a child? Actually, it was my thirtieth birthday yesterday. Yeah. And I went to see Vic Chestnutt and had a lovely time. By coincidence, I met an old acquaintance at the show and afterwards we drove back into Manhattan together and drank champagne at red-lace covered bar in Chelsea that looked like a bordello. Then she came back to my apartment and spilled a bottle of Coke on my Persian carpet. But it was O.K. I had a cloth. You should rent Dr. Strangelove one night and watch George C. Scott's moments in the "War Room." Perhaps then you will understand the inspiration of my (in your case attempted) parody. Naivety is not something you should wear on your sleeve. -Tim. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 19:22:17 +0100 (CET) From: James Isaacs Subject: brickbats So, Bolly Bragg has a song called "Brickbats" on his new LP... I would pay seven thousand Altarian dollars if it were the masterful version penned by Captain Beefheart, and on his masterpiece, "Doc at the Radar Station". Somehow, I doubt it. Calvin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:02:18 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Philadelphia Inquirer On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Kymm Zuckert wrote: > Forwarded from the Bragg list: > Two cult acts from Britain team up on a tour > Their musical styles differ, but Robyn Hitchcock and Billy Bragg see > themselves as kindred spirits. > By Dan DeLuca > INQUIRER STAFF WRITER Look at what those fiends from the Bragg list have done now! Forwarded a polite and well-informed article on both acts (which even picks out the 3 best tracks from ME correctly). No wonder the militant fegs are up in arms! - Mike Godwin (Note for irony-starved fegs: the above is to be taken with a large pinch of sodium chloride) PS N Molesworth, Ace Reporter, writes: "Julian Cope the author of Mystery Train??? How larffable: it is of course by Grabber, Head of Skool, Captain of Cricket and winner of the Mrs Joyful Prize for Raffia Work". PPS Get back to work, Molesworth! It's by Sam Phillips and Junior Parker, like I said before - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:26:52 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: My final word On Fri, 15 Nov 1996 Hedblade@aol.com wrote: > OK, here's my final word on this as I'm not interested in you Fegs hitting > "Delete" whenever my name is on your screen. To the wonderful and charming > Susan, I address this: Why, thank you! > << In short, it's hardly a punk revolution Mark II out there. There seems to > be > room for damn-near every style, with no one especially dominant.>> > > Good! We need more variety!! So why is it no one is playing Me'shell > Ndegeogello? Selling like hot cakes- radio ignores her. If There REALLY is > room for damn-near every style, then why is Craig Ross' great debut ("Dead > Spy Report" MCA records) being snubbed? It's got everything from Beatles to > Bowie on it. My point is, as wide as the styles may be, there is a certain > "marketability" to the bands you mentioned (at least in the record company's > eyes), and if true talent figures into it (like, say, in Beck's case, or dare > I say, Fiona Apple), the big wigs are saying, "Hey, BONUS." Talent alone > will not move product, and that is, I think, what Robyn was getting on about > with the Nirvana statement. Yarse, you must also have one of them marketing niches. Reminds me of a passage in "Lipstick Traces"- "And you would go to the record store and buy the latest products, wondering why what you really wanted was not on sale". The thing is, these records ARE on sale, they just aren't getting airplay, even when people have demonstrated that they would like to hear them. Remember that TMBG song that won the q101 song contest thingie (sorry, Chicago reference- it's our local "alterna" station) every night for SIX WEEKS and still never got any airplay (not even light rotation) on that infernal station? The same thing is currently happening with the new (and wickedly funny) Screeching Weasel single, which by rights ought to be played a lot regardless, just to show all those young alterna-kids what old-skool really ought to sound like (and that Green Day didn't invent the stuff :)). It wins the "Headlock" or whatever they call it every night, but are they playing it? Nosiree Bob. > No question here. I'm a long time Smiths fan and always give Morrissey a > listen. The point was lost here. What I was saying is that Robyn, unlike > Moz, has NEVER been one to complain about not being noticed or understood. > Moz, as part of his design, practically screams this with every move. Now I read over your post I see what you were getting at. Yeah, of course you're right. Moz can be a real whiner on that subject, and so can his fans, come to think of it. > Q: "Why are you banging your head against the wall?" > > A: "Because it feels so good when I stop." > And at this point, I stop banging my head as well. Well, Jay, I'm sorry to see that happen :). If I may put a word in- I don't believe the "attack" was meant to be anything mean-spirited or nasty, and I have "attack" in quotes for that very reason. My feeling was that it was meant to be something more like a shaving cream battle :) and mainly humorous in intention. Yeah, sure, juvenile and all that, but hardly something that should have raised this much ire. Just my two cents. > Kula Shaker? Indeed, I believe I'll be checking them out on Saturday! > Everyone pick up the latest NME for a great interview with this very > in-touch band. Can't say much about their record as I've only heard it once > (liked it), but they've got their shit together personally, and I dig that. Don't you mean the latest "Vox"? Or since they are affiliated with each other, perhaps it is the same interview. Anyway, my copy of Vox came with the "Class of 96" cd which was a lovely bonus (I'm sure the store that sold it to me probably violated 60 million copyright laws by not removing it like they were supposed to, and I thank them for it heartily!). Yes, you are right- somehow I always feel better about liking a band who are not only good musicians but seemingly good (and witty) people as well. I don't have the album yet, just the "Tattva" EP, but I love it and can't seem to dislodge it from the CD player, much to my roommate's dismay (he thinks "first Beck, now this- you're really such a TEENYBOPPER!"). And btw- is it just me, or does Kula Shaker sound like a really tasty fruity cocktail that would be served in half a cocoanut shell with a couple umbrellas (yeah, I know, I know, it's the name of an ancient Zulu ruler, but allow me my fancy :))? Anyway........see you at the Double Door then (I'll probably be there early, 'cos I only live about 5 blocks from the place). > P.S. Susan, I still love you :) Ditto :) Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 17:25:35 -0500 From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John) Subject: Billy and Robyn do an encore together Fegs- It finally happened. A non-list member e-mailed me last night to tell me about the show, and he mentioned that Billy came out for the last song of the encore and that the 3 of them (Robyn, Billy, and Deni) played "Mystery Train." He said that Billy kept disappearing behind the curtain, tho still playing the guitar, at which point Robyn would sing "That long black train/ Took my Billy and gone." John +~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+~+ John B. Jones jojones@mailbox.syr.edu WWW-----http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "I often dream of trains till it gets light, The summer turns to winter overnight, The leaves fall so suddenly, The sun sets at four o clock, ----exactly what I'm dreading." -Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:42:42 -0600 (CST) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Train Train On Fri, 15 Nov 1996, Jeffrey Lawrence wrote: > That's cause it was "Mystery Train" by Julian Cope (or at least > several people on the BB list said it was - this is one that I > am not familiar with so I can't be absolutely certain...) "Mystery Train", written by Sam Phillips and Junior Parker, was first recorded by Junior Parker when the aforementioned Mr. Cope was probably still in diapers. Its most famous incarnation is Elvis Presley's immortal cover, which can be found on "The Sun Sessions" (as Chad has already mentioned), but it also received a treatment by this obscure British band called the Soft Boys ("Soft Boys 1976-81"). Susan ------------------------------ From: Hedblade@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:54:53 -0500 Subject: A moment of your time, please OK, Fegs- listen up. << The characteristic that seems to be missing here is "tolerance" (ever heard of that word? I doubt it). People on the BB list had been complaining about the narrow mindeness of Robyn fans they'd met at the shows (not like there aren't any narrow-minded BB fans on that list either...) and I had been saying "but that's not what the Feg list is like" - I guess I was proven wrong and there are a minority of people out there who have childish blinders on, like a baby horse does. >> I couldn't agree more, however, for my part, I certainly WAS NOT suggesting a "Flame War" with the Bragg list. I LIKE Bragg a lot, remember? Now, it seems there are enough folks here who think the idea should be dropped, and I "Respect" this group. In fact, without the blessing of ALL the members, I wouldn't want to do this. Here's the point. I had a plan for this, and perhaps I should explain this, just to set my take on this straight. The message I was going to suggest we send to the Bragg list would be one that offered a friendly handshake with a little nudge of friendly rivalry. One that collectively says, "We ALL shared this experience- good to meet you! (By the way, Robyn is great ;) )." I'm sure one of us could come up with something with a little more flair and style than that, but you get the idea. My concept also involved us agreeing on one message that we would all post, so we weren't all coming off with different slants (which would present the possibility of a single message from one person reflecting bad on our list as a whole). IN NO WAY WOULD I EVER SUGGEST WE BOMB THE BRAGG LIST WITH BAD WILL, BAD VIBES, OR BAD TASTE. Is that clear? In short, my plan was a one time message of good will and fun. It seems the very idea is now taking on a very negative feeling, and therefore I'm ready to drop it. Done right, it could have been a blast FOR BOTH LISTS. I do have an alternative to the mass "attack" - if the list is interested, I'll post it. Most Sincerely, Jay Hedblade "I'm going upfield, way up on the hillside / I'm going higher than I've ever been before / That's where you'll find me, over the horizon / Wading in the river, reaching for that other shore." -Billy Bragg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 14:11:10 -0500 From: sister ernestine Subject: Re: And in the red corner... also sprach Dollymop : >On Wed, 13 Nov 1996, M R Godwin wrote: >> On Tue, 12 Nov 1996, Nick Winkworth wrote: >> > What are the three English football teams with rude >> > words in their names...?) >> Scunthorpe, Arsenal - what's the third? >I believe it was Manchester Fucking United. or d.c. fucking united, as the case may be (go revolution!) +w ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Fri, 15 Nov 96 15:08:06 EST Subject: Kula Shaker Susan said: > And > btw- is it just me, or does Kula Shaker sound like a really tasty fruity > cocktail that would be served in half a cocoanut shell with a couple > umbrellas (yeah, I know, I know, it's the name of an ancient Zulu ruler, > but allow me my fancy :))? > > Susan > Cliffy steps into the pub. "Actually, Norm, it means 'Good Luck' in one of those languages they speak in India. Shaka Zulu was the famous Zulu king. The song 'Tattva' is taken from the phrase 'Acintya Bhedabheda Tattva' which means 'no worries for the rest of your days'. It's our problem-free philosophy." The crowd sighs in relief as Cliffy stops talking to suck on a fruity cocktail. Actually, "A.B. Tattva" means "the simultaneous inconcievable difference and non-difference of reality". Sounds pretty scary to me. -- Ross Overbury Chronic Pedant Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ From: "jeffery j vaska" Subject: misc. stuff... Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:29:25 -0800 hi fegs! to the gang - i'm not going to apologize for the enthusisam i displayed regarding a FUN, WITTY lambasting of the billy bragg site. certainly, i did not realize that it would create work for woj (i do now), but i would like to make it clear that my intentions were pure. just looking to create some FUN (and i've said this before, i hold billy in high regard)... to james isaacs, sorry about the crash. generosity and treachery don't mix, but they should. do you think that when we die, we ascend to heaven in the clothes we were wearing at the time we died, do we get a white toga, or do we get to pick out some new fashions on the way? for me, definitely sandals, large baggy hiking shorts, and a my glowing blue, pink and yellow flowery (hawaiian type) shirt... i guess that's all for now, see you guys...jv ____________________________________________________________ ethnic/world music director, kzuu 90.7 fm @ washington state university u.s. correspondent, brasil 2000 103.7 fm - sao paolo, brasil vaska, jeffery | jvaska@mail.wsu.edu http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~kzuu/ ------------------------------ From: "jeffery j vaska" Subject: Re: A moment of your time, please Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:44:09 -0800 i don't want to spend too much time pondering over this whole issue, because i just don't like getting down and petty. HEDBLADE, I'M TOTALLY WITH YOU and i think most people will be too. but don't get me wrong, i am NOT trying to speak for everybody. honestly, a small amount of good natured flaming (which might possibly follow from both sides) is not so intolerable. i still think it will be fun. anyways, once again, i'm all for it...jv ____________________________________________________________ ethnic/world music director, kzuu 90.7 fm @ washington state university u.s. correspondent, brasil 2000 103.7 fm - sao paolo, brasil vaska, jeffery | jvaska@mail.wsu.edu http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~kzuu/ > I'm sure one of us could come up with something with a little more flair and > style than that, but you get the idea. My concept also involved us agreeing > on one message that we would all post, so we weren't all coming off with > different slants (which would present the possibility of a single message > from one person reflecting bad on our list as a whole). > > IN NO WAY WOULD I EVER SUGGEST WE BOMB THE BRAGG LIST WITH BAD WILL, BAD > VIBES, OR BAD TASTE. > > Is that clear? > > In short, my plan was a one time message of good will and fun. It seems the > very idea is now taking on a very negative feeling, and therefore I'm ready > to drop it. Done right, it could have been a blast FOR BOTH LISTS. I do > have an alternative to the mass "attack" - if the list is interested, I'll > post it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .