From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #203 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 203 Wednesday October 9 1996 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Rolling Stone review No joke (robyn-free) mtn stage Tim?; Review tally begins... Fries With Your Anguished English, Sir? Colours, lyrics and Mad King Julian NZ music news in brief Re: Yes, a large fry please New songs, Antwoman in Germany. New songs Re: Tim? Re: Synaesthesia Re: MS. CELANIOUS Re: Synaesthesia Re: Greatest Hits in the UK Re: Robyn at Nachtleben, Frankfurt, 7 Oct. 1996 Sinister But She Was Full of Pep Re: Robyn at Nachtleben, Frankfurt, 7 Oct. 1996 Music Machine/Invisible History Re: Tim?; Review tally begins... Re: Robyn at Nachtleben, Frankfurt, 7 Oct. 1996 Re: Music Machine/Invisible History Dark "Gminor7" Energy more on Synesthesia Re: Dark "Gminor7" Energy Re: Dark "Gminor7" Energy Re: A man, a woman and a guitar Re: CMJ article complete Re: What if... The Law Firm of Black, Proud, Alpert, Prince, Primus and Zappa Re: Smoothie RE: Greatest Hits in the UK Re: Rolling Stone review Re: Smoothie Re: CMJ article complete Re: Dark "Gminor7" Energy Unhatched Crablings Tape Tree [here it is] Re: Like A Real Smoothie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 18:48:25 -0500 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: Rolling Stone review At 04:19 PM 10/8/96 -0500, Ken Ostrander wrote: > on another note, can anyone believe the write up in >stolling rhone for the new albums? MOSS ELIXIR gets ***1/2 and MOSSY >LIQUOR gets ****! i was flabbergasted. it all depends on who gets to do >the review i guess. i believe i've read more positive reviews than >negative. do we have a tally? the most critical stuff seems to have been >on this list. The reviewer was Ira Robbins, the editor of the late, legendary _Trouser Press_. For those of you who don't know, Ira is one of those "Robyn hasn't made sense since 1986 except for _Eye_" kind of folks (as Robyn himself appears to be these days), and the comments on ME seemed to be half-and-half. In fact, had there not been a star rating, I would have thought that Ira would give it 2 1/2 - 3 stars, the rating being more positive than the review itself would have led you to believe. Later, Miles ===================================================================== I shift the blame to the worm in the bottle I shift the blame to anyone standing before me -- Wire, "Silk Skin Paws" Miles Goosens goosenmk@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ===================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 18:58:11 -0700 From: Ryan Godfrey Subject: No joke (robyn-free) Rex Stardust, Lead Electric Triangle, says: >Weirder still, snob that I was, I once told a 3rd grade classmate of mine (a >true backwoodser with rudimentary language skills) that I really needed to >teach him English. He responded, " Aw, Rex.... ahcantdoTHAHT!!!"... see, he >thought that he spoke 'Merkin, not English, and that English was some >hopelessly incomprehensible European language (cf. common joke "If English >was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me...") A kid in my eighth-grade world history class objected to the teacher saying Jesus was a Jew: "I'm a Christian, and my family believes Jesus was a Christian." The teacher tried to explain it to him, but he wouldn't listen. And the next day THE KID'S MOTHER called the teacher and the principal to complain that the teacher had no right to air her religious opinions in class. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 21:18:16 -0400 From: Alex Tanter Subject: mtn stage I thought I heard on NPR the other day that Robyn's show is being broadcast on the 13th..? They're not broadcast live....??? Did I hear wrong? Marcy ps--Iron Horse show still not rescheduled. ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 23:34:40 -0400 Subject: Tim?; Review tally begins... Hey James (the one in Germany, not the one in NZ, and certainly not the one who's me): Thanks for the detailed gig review, but just one question: who's Tim? Did I miss something? (Not Finn?) James (ibid.): > "I Dream of Antwoman"- I had never heard this song before, but I love the > line "Being just contaminates the void". Lovely Truman: "Read Percy Shelley's "Adonais". I'd get the quote for you, but alas P.B. is packed away somewhere. There's a part towards the end of that poem that refers to life being the stained glass dome that taints the whiteness of eternity (no quotes used here, cause I'm not exactly sure of the line, but that's the idea anyway, and it's awfully similar to, though a bit fancier than, Robyn's)." Not to wax non-literary, but "Being just contaminates the void" sounds like a VERY direct response to (or echo of? Not enough context) "Tomorrow Never Knows" to me. But clearly both these comparisons are absurd... I can't imagine Robyn listening to Lennon any more than I can picture him reading Shelley. (I will now remove my tongue from my cheek and continue...) James: "> The next song was dedicated to the entire rock industry. > "Queen Elvis" Truman: "Seems to me he does that a lot, judging from other accounts of live shows I've seen here. Can anyone verify that?" Yahr. I've not heard that specific dedication, but he does a lot of stuff like that. First time I heard "Yip Song", before it was recorded, he introduced it with a lovely spiel about who Vera Lynn was and how she'd symbolized unattainable idols for British airmen, etc... he then went on to tell us how silly this was, whether or not our particular idols happened to be himself or Paula Abdul... (nb. this isn't directly related, but it's stuck in my memory because I can never forget Robyn pronouncing the words "Pawler ab-DOOL" and simultaneously equating her to himself...) Ken: "on another note, can anyone believe the write up in stolling rhone for the new albums? MOSS ELIXIR gets ***1/2 and MOSSY LIQUOR gets ****! i was flabbergasted. it all depends on who gets to do the review i guess. i believe i've read more positive reviews than negative. do we have a tally? the most critical stuff seems to have been on this list." The RS review was warm; I thought that the intent of favoring "Mossy" over "Moss" was to encourage those who auditioned "ME" to spring for the (purportedly superior) "ML" as well. Critical tally starts here, I guess: 1) Rolling Stone: positive 2) LA Times: positive (***, "best in a decade") 3) LA New Times: very positive ("most mature work", etc.) (New Times was conversely needlessly harsh on Billy's new one, but I was surprised they bothered with either!) I've read others, all basically positive, but can't remember where (some copied to the list). Take it away, Fegs... Rex PS for Byrdsheads (grow on my shoulder): The otha Broome writes: "Well, I assume you got it from the Byrds newsgroup, but you probably haven't been reading that group for very long. McGuinn is a FREQUENT poster to that newsgroup, and yes, it really is him. Whatta guy! " Yeah, so very accessible. I think that's why I asked about "Arms of Love" and was really surprised by his response. I mean, if a dweeb like me can get in touch with McGuinn, why can't Robyn, who wrote a great song for the guy and recently expressed an interest in working with McGuinn, get a copy of said composition (which has already appeared on a major label record) to him? Robyn should really rethink his aversion to cyberspace, given that it's the easiest way to contact his own "idols"! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:36:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Fries With Your Anguished English, Sir? On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, my own luscious, gaspingly adorable one (that's Rex, to you ;)) wrote: (in response to this from James) > colours, perhaps it's not impossible. After all, if you can cross > > modalities between auditory and visual perception, why not tactile and > > visual perception? No, the important question here is not so much "is it > > possible?", but "do you want fries with that?"" > > Kristin Hersh has said that she's been in a constant search for the "perfect > chord". And she also seems to receive her lyrics unconsciously and endeavors > not to interfere with them on any level. I've always equated this with > Robyn's chord-color association. Dunno why... maybe the two statements seem > to share the same tonal color to me... (yes, fries too, please... mauve > ones...) Scriabin spent his whole life searching for "the mystic chord" which would bring about world peace and other lovely things when found. My friend Will told me all about it, but alas I have forgotten what the chord actually was (the poor man did claim to have found it :)). I believe it was some sort of G chord, though. And as to that- Tom Waits has often been known to give directions to producers and engineers that sound like "I think we need a bit more blue moon rising over the smoky mystery train in that part". I believe that he did this in emulation of one Don Van Vliet, who was known to make statements of a similar nature. Also, I have often heard old jazz musicians say things to each other like "well, you see, 53rd street is kinda strange; I think it sounds more like A-flat to me"...... And then, of course, there are always those who are content with descriptions like "I want it to sound Positively Fourth Street" ;). As to our own mother tongue: > I said: " > Hahaha! That isn't unique to West Virginia! Were you also > asked to "speak English"? :) :) :)" > > Weirder still, snob that I was, I once told a 3rd grade classmate of mine (a > true backwoodser with rudimentary language skills) that I really needed to > teach him English. He responded, " Aw, Rex.... ahcantdoTHAHT!!!"... see, he > thought that he spoke 'Merkin, not English, and that English was some > hopelessly incomprehensible European language (cf. common joke "If English > was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me...") In Chicago, there is a law on the books that English is not allowed to be spoken here. Apparently, sometime in the late 1800s an English diplomat was visiting here, and the mayor at the time could not understand the way he spoke and said "What ARE you speaking?". The man looked at him, turned up his nose and replied "Perhaps you are familiar with it, it is called English". The mayor went straight out and had a law put on the books that no one was allowed to speak this "English". We also have a law still on the books here that bans ugly people from sidewalks, parks, or "any other public spaces". I guess that means lots of people are going to have to move, since pretty much everyone in the city breaks one or both of these laws on a daily basis. Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:40:49 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Colours, lyrics and Mad King Julian >We're going to take Robyn's word that he hears chords in particular >colors? This is the same man who says he becomes a completely different >person every seven years because that's how long it takes to replace >every cell in the body. Mr. Hitchcock often says things of stunning >brilliance and poeticality that have very little to do with the physical >laws of the world that the rest of us are living in. > >A few decades ago another fellow named James had a pet phrase that >popped up a few times in his novella about Dublin in mid-June: "the >ineluctable modality of the visible." I've gotta agree with him on this >one, although I'm willing to hear other views. hmmm. If it's the James I'm thinking of, the first part of his best known book (same name as a character from Mythology and an American Civil War leader) dealt with the funeral of a chap named Dignan. Humph! >James: Do you know of research dealing with such perceptual anomalies? >Are there really cases where one sense doesn't just evoke a perceptual >memory of another sense, but where (for example) a visual stimulus is >mistaken for a tactile one? I'm intrigued. yes, to an extent. Mainly it's just, as you say, an evocation of one sense (we all know what a velvety voice sounds like, for instance, or a fragrant taste), but there are cases of true cross-modality. There is a bit of research into this area (synaesthesia). I've seen a book fairly recently to do with it, but I can't remember the title offhand. The most common crossed modalities seem to be taste and touch and taste and smell (although these two are pretty closely tied together anyway). If I can find the title of that book, I'll pass it on to you! >THE GREAT James sez: > 1) World Shut Your Mouth agreed > 2) 20 Mothers agreed > 3) Jehovahkill very good > 4) Kilimanjaro mediocre > >THE VERY GOOD > 5) St. Julian agreed > 6) Fried agreed > >THE MEDIOCRE > 7) Wilder very good > 8) Autogeddon agreed > 9) My Nation Underground great > 10) Peggy Suicide agreed >Kristin Hersh has said that she's been in a constant search for the "perfect >chord". And she also seems to receive her lyrics unconsciously and endeavors >not to interfere with them on any level. I've always equated this with >Robyn's chord-color association. Dunno why... maybe the two statements seem >to share the same tonal color to me... (yes, fries too, please... mauve >ones...) sorry we're all out of mauve. Would you like some shimmering glissando ones instead? I think a lot of songwriters receive their lyrics in this way. Certainly I regard myself more of a "channeler of the words I receive" rather than as a writer of them. There are several occasions I look at songs I've written and thought "I couldn't have written lyrics like *that*!" I don't consider it like the chord-colour (Robyn's English. His colours have a "u" in them :) association though. James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 16:53:59 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: NZ music news in brief I know folks on this list expect the occasional NZ music news from me so... coming soon to Europe, the UK and the US... The Chills! This month, it's Belgium, Holland, England and France, and then the US during November. The New Album finally gets a release over there, too! Next week. Ex-Straitjacket Fits member bands are both recording, Shayne Carter's Dimmer should have an EP out in the new year, and Andrew Brough's Bike is working on an album for release next year sometime. The new Clean album "Unknown Country" should see release in the UK and US in about a month. About the same time, the new Tall Dwarfs album "Stumpy" should be out in NZ - release O/S will be in about January. And (a special message for Cheri!) Bats member Robert Scott's side-project The Magick Heads are in the studio recording their second album! :) for more details, go to: http://www.flyingnun.co.nz James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 22:58:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Yes, a large fry please On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Ryan Godfrey wrote: > > We're going to take Robyn's word that he hears chords in particular > colors? This is the same man who says he becomes a completely different > person every seven years because that's how long it takes to replace > every cell in the body. Mr. Hitchcock often says things of stunning > brilliance and poeticality that have very little to do with the physical > laws of the world that the rest of us are living in. Well, actually, at the risk of sounding really goofy........ What Robyn is saying is in complete accord with an important idea in Tropical (Western) astrology, that of the Saturn return. The (very) basic structure goes something like this- your personalized astrological chart will have each one of the planets in a different sign (and also in houses, conjunctions, and other things that there's no need to go into here). Saturn changes signs approximately every seven years, and the theory goes that when Saturn "returns" to the sign it was in at the time you were born, you experience major life changes and transformations that do lead to a sort of spiritual rebirth. Oddly enough, RH is in a Saturn return period right now :). > > A few decades ago another fellow named > James had a pet phrase that popped up a few times in his novella about > Dublin in mid-June: "the > ineluctable modality of the visible." I've gotta agree with him on this > one, although I'm willing to hear other views. I'm willing to go with that, although I would like to add this caveat from Mr. John Birks (Dizzy) Gillespie: To Be or Not to Bop- that is the question. Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 01:02:11 -0500 From: "John, Jacci, & Madison" Subject: New songs, Antwoman in Germany. UK fegs, help me out. What new songs has Robyn previewed so far? Here's what I have down: I Dream of Antwoman, Feels Like 1974, Let's Go Thundering, Guilford(??). Is that it? Didn't someone mention some song about a lantern??? Maybe Green Storm Lantern? (uh maybe I'm thinking of the superhero from Justice League of America.) Oh and thanks to James Isaac for posting a review and setlist for the first show in Germany. I think the line you quoted from "antwoman" is actually : Being just contaminates the BOY. not sure tho, i'll have to listen to nigel jarman's tape of the IoW gig again. Ken--thanks for the news on buying tickets in Boston. I spaced out and forgot to call up on Saturday, but now that I know that there's plenty of seats, i won't panic so much. Good night, all. John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 09:29:10 GMT From: Rob Collingwood Subject: New songs John wrote: > UK fegs, help me out. What new songs has Robyn previewed so far? Here's > what I have down: I Dream of Antwoman, Feels Like 1974, Let's Go > Thundering, Guilford(??). Is that it? Didn't someone mention some song > about a lantern??? Maybe Green Storm Lantern? (uh maybe I'm thinking of > the superhero from Justice League of America.) > I think your list is almost complete, the titles as I have them being: I Dream Of Antwoman Feels Like 1974 Let's Go Thundering No, I Don't Remember Guildford Green Storm Lantern Also: Where Do You Go To When You Die I think that lyrics have been posted for all of the above songs, but if anyone wants a particular one I'm happy to mail them direct. And to my hearing it is "being just contaminates the void" from Antwoman. -- Rob Collingwood Warrington, Cheshire, England rob@nimbus.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 09:23:46 GMT From: Rob Collingwood Subject: Re: Tim? In a message Rex wrote: > Hey James (the one in Germany, not the one in NZ, and certainly not the one > who's me): > > Thanks for the detailed gig review, but just one question: who's Tim? Did I > miss something? (Not Finn?) > Almost certainly Tim Keegan from Homer. He plays an acoustic and sings good harmonies with Robyn. Homer's homepage:- http://www.foresight.co.uk/homer/ -- Rob Collingwood Warrington, Cheshire, England rob@nimbus.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:33:07 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Synaesthesia >On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Ryan Godfrey wrote: We're going to take Robyn's word that he hears chords in particular colors? I don't see why not. Synaesthesia (? sp. ?) is a recognised medical condition under which the five senses become confused and overlapping. The Move's classic "I can hear the grass grow" is supposedly about it. Some say (wouldn't know myself, guv) that this condition can be brought on by eating certain substances... - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:57:02 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: MS. CELANIOUS On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, Ken Ostrander wrote: > on another note, can anyone believe the write up in > stolling rhone for the new albums? MOSS ELIXIR gets ***1/2 and MOSSY > LIQUOR gets ****! i was flabbergasted. I can relate to that. ML works a suite of songs. ME has different production (indeed, different producers) on various songs, plus sufficient OTT horn arrangements to reduce its coherence as a set. That's not to say that the best stuff on ME isn't better than the best stuff on ML - just that it is a less consistent group of performances. > >And I can't believe Syd was that far gone > > believe it. the man's brain was fried. some of his solo albums > show that very well. "yes, i'm thinking..." Hold on thaar! Everyone does ropey outtakes now and again. If you check out the order that he recorded (as opposed to issued) his solo catalogue, he was still coming up with great performances to the end. I think "Wined and Dined / I never lied to you" was his last completed session, and it sounds fine. After that, however, he certainly deteriorated. It's terrible to hear that he is going blind. > p.p.p.s. i have to come to the defense of AUTOGEDDON A mate of mine (Paul "Nasher" Nachman) once made a film called Autogeddon. Did anyone ever see it? - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 07:15:22 -0500 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: Re: Synaesthesia At 12:33 PM 10/9/96 +0100, M R Godwin wrote: > >>On Mon, 7 Oct 1996, Ryan Godfrey wrote: > >We're going to take Robyn's word that he hears chords in particular >colors? > >I don't see why not. Synaesthesia (? sp. ?) is a recognised medical >condition under which the five senses become confused and overlapping. The >Move's classic "I can hear the grass grow" is supposedly about it. Not to mention Peter Himmelman's album by that name... Later, Miles ===================================================================== I shift the blame to the worm in the bottle I shift the blame to anyone standing before me -- Wire, "Silk Skin Paws" Miles Goosens goosenmk@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ===================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:25:27 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Greatest Hits in the UK I picked up a copy yesterday at the Virgin Megastore near Tottenham Court Road, priced at a fairly outrageous 20 quid - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:26:11 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Robyn at Nachtleben, Frankfurt, 7 Oct. 1996 On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, James Isaacs wrote: > The next song was "Only the Stones Remain" Remember my asking whether this was his favourite song for performing, ever? Here it is again, still there after 12+ years. I rest my case. - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 09:14:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Sinister But She Was Full of Pep Anybody catch Jeane Moreau on Lettterman Monday night? Would have been great if RH was the musical act. In fact, earlier in the show they used a sort of blink-o-meter on some footage of Bob Dole from the debate (clocked him at something like 41 blinks in 30 seconds)...Had Hitchcock been on the show they could have had a blink off between he and Dole. To that end, has anyone heard anything about upcoming TV appearances by RH? -russ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Robyn at Nachtleben, Frankfurt, 7 Oct. 1996 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 10:31:16 +0100 From: Tom Clark "James Isaacs" >> The next song was "Only the Stones Remain" > >Remember my asking whether this was his favourite song for performing, >ever? Here it is again, still there after 12+ years. I rest my case. > >- Mike Godwin > Perhaps it's his fave now, but during "the A&M years" I never heard him perform it with the Egyptians. It was my favourite of his SB material at the time but I don't think I ever heard him do it until last year in S.F. Now that I think of it, that works out to about a 7 year hiatus. Here we go with the 7 year re-invention thing again! -tc ------------------------------ From: Critica@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:36:37 -0400 Subject: Music Machine/Invisible History Hi all! Does anyone have a phone number for Music Machine, peddler of the "Invisible History" disc? I sent them a check over the summer, which they have since cashed & I still don't have my disc. I understand it takes MM a long time to fill orders, so I still have hope; I just want to know what the heck's going on. I've got their address, but if anyone has the phone # I'd really appreciate it. Thanks much, Becky critica@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 19:59:31 +0200 (METDST) From: James Isaacs Subject: Re: Tim?; Review tally begins... Well, I do not know who Tim was, but I would assume he is one of thse fellows in Homer. He was short, and had a Beatle haircut. Looked like lot like David Spade, the fellow from SNL and Chris Farley movies. Did not catch his last name. James ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:15:13 +0200 (METDST) From: James Isaacs Subject: Re: Robyn at Nachtleben, Frankfurt, 7 Oct. 1996 On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Tom Clark wrote: > >> The next song was "Only the Stones Remain" > > > >Remember my asking whether this was his favourite song for performing, > >ever? Here it is again, still there after 12+ years. I rest my case. > > > >- Mike Godwin > > > > Perhaps it's his fave now, but during "the A&M years" I never heard him > perform it with the Egyptians. It was my favourite of his SB material at > the time but I don't think I ever heard him do it until last year in S.F. > > Now that I think of it, that works out to about a 7 year hiatus. Here we > go with the 7 year re-invention thing again! > > -tc > I saw and heard Roban sing it in 1992 with the Egyptians. A lot of other people did, too, as it is on the Toth Boys tape. James ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 15:21:01 -0400 (EDT) From: ! Subject: Re: Music Machine/Invisible History On Wed, 9 Oct 1996 Critica@aol.com wrote: > Hi all! > > Does anyone have a phone number for Music Machine, peddler of the "Invisible > History" disc? I sent them a check over the summer, which they have since > cashed & I still don't have my disc. (410) 356-4567 (fax 4693) email:musicmac@aol.com web: http://www.musicmanchine.com/musicmachine (maybe music_machine) good luck! -- oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug -- dmayowel@access.digex.net a.k.a. dougmhyphw@aol.com -- get yr recently updated pathos at http://www.mwmw.com/pathetic/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 12:31:07 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Dark "Gminor7" Energy On Mon, 07 Oct 1996 Ryan queried: > We're going to take Robyn's word that he hears chords in particular > colors? Does this seem odd to you? I've always thought of chords as colors - seems very natural to me. What struck me when I read that was not the fact that he imagined chords as colors but that his chord/color relationships were quite like mine. (not that I can remember what his were, now) Anyone else have difficulty with this concept? For the record, "Dmaj" is dark blue,... -Nick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 12:42:42 -0700 From: stephen@transport.com (Stephen Austin Welch) Subject: more on Synesthesia I like the synesthesia topic. I run a photo studio named "Synesthesia Studio." I have some information and books I recomend about the disorder at my web site Although the disorder is know to only affect ten in one million people, Robyn seems like a perfect candidate. Most evident maybe in his story telling. Stephen ______________________________ >>I'm intrigued. > >yes, to an extent. Mainly it's just, as you say, an evocation of one sense >(we all know what a velvety voice sounds like, for instance, or a fragrant >taste), but there are cases of true cross-modality. There is a bit of >research into this area (synaesthesia). I've seen a book fairly recently to >do with it, but I can't remember the title offhand. The most common crossed >modalities seem to be taste and touch and taste and smell (although these >two are pretty closely tied together anyway). > >If I can find the title of that book, I'll pass it on to you! ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Wed, 9 Oct 96 16:16:00 EDT Subject: Re: Dark "Gminor7" Energy Steve Vai on modes: Ionian: Reminds me of Julie Andrews in "the Sound of Music". Her wholesome, healthy image is very Ionian. She could be from the Planet Ionia - or rather from the island. Dorian: I think of snow. I think of a dark night in the Arctic. I think of "no Quarter" by Led Zeppelin. The image that song creates is what this mode is all about. Phrygian: I see the Egyptian pyramids, the Sphinx and the amber sun shining above the desert. Egypt is the wrong image techically, but it works for me. Lydian: Maria from "West Side Story". It's my favourite mode, although I also really like the Lydian #5 and Lydian b7 modes from the melodic minor scale. Mixolydian: I think of a smoky jazz club, with funk horns blasting out, that ='s a big Mixolydian sound. Aeolian: I think of the sound of the piano in my classroom at Berklee. My music teacher kept always playing stuff in the Aeolian mode. Locrian: Like a diseased island. I think of Molakai in Hawaii, where there's a leper colony. Scary and strange. PS: Susan, I'm really trying hard to keep my mouth shut about Saturn. I guess I'm not doing so well... -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca -- Ross Overbury Senior Operations Officer, Software CN Rail Signals and Communications, Laurentian District 2nd floor, 1060 University St. Montreal, Quebec, Canada TEL: (514) 399-8070 FAX: (514) 399-6725 email: rosso@cn.ca EMC2: OVERBURY ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 13:24:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dot, the Itchy God." Subject: Re: Dark "Gminor7" Energy On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Nick Winkworth wrote: > > For the record, "Dmaj" is dark blue,... > this is impossible only because it has to be brighter than Amaj, which is not black by any means. but, i do not see anything for me about chords and colors, i just would have never thought of it in any such terms, and can't really. my mind just does not think like that for some reason. it seems to me that i think in terms of where the cords are in relation to one another; space and distance away on the neck sorts of things. but, having said that, sometimes i think i have the tonal abilities of a dog. bark, .chris ------------------------------ From: Hello Dali Subject: Re: A man, a woman and a guitar Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:51:38 -0700 At 03:44 03.10.96 -0400, headfx@ix.netcom.com wrote: >As far as Susan's weird relationship I once had a relationship with a >woman who decided things were getting too intense emotionally and that >it conflicted with her feelings for her horse - that's right her >horse!!! Now that was something I had a little trouble understanding - >people are weird. I never dated anyone into horses, but I did have a (brief) relationship with a woman who was fond of riding crops ;). Draw your own conclusions. --g ______________________________________________________________________ Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ______________________________________________________________________ "I spend all night with the dealer/Trying to get ahead/I spend all day at the Holiday Inn/Just trying to get out of bed." --Gram Parsons, 'Ooh, Las Vegas' ______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Engulfed in Living Slime From: Hello Dali Subject: Re: CMJ article complete Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:52:27 -0700 At 17:44 05.10.96 -0400, ! wrote: > >i also bought the Goldmine ish, which has rather a lot of text. are any >among us OCR equipped? if not, perhaps we could divvy up this hummer so >that a bunch of people type in one or two pages each. I missed the Goldmine issue, so I would appreciate it very much if someone (or someones) would post it to the list. Also, any chance of scanning the photos and emailing them to me privately? Thanks in advance, --g ______________________________________________________________________ Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ______________________________________________________________________ "I spend all night with the dealer/Trying to get ahead/I spend all day at the Holiday Inn/Just trying to get out of bed." --Gram Parsons, 'Ooh, Las Vegas' ______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Hello Dali Subject: Re: What if... Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:52:38 -0700 At 19:31 05.10.96 -0400, BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: >Dear Haters Of Respect, I have an honest question for you. I'm not a hater of _Respect_, but I'll answer anyway. >Now that the >greatest hits album is out, we have all heard the 2 "bonus" tracks from the >Respect sessions that didn't make the album (Allright Yeah & Bright Fresh >Flower) > >12 songs to choose from, 10 spots on the album. If you could replace these >songs with your 2 least favorite songs on the album, might it have been a >better album? Mind you, this is 20% of the album! Actually, 13 songs, if you count _The Live-In Years_. Personally, I prefer it to BFF. > >I know I know. Maybe this is just trouble. But after listening to Bright >Fresh Flower 100 times, it drives me nuts that he finished the album with >Wafflehead instead of this track. I really don't get it. BFF isn't a "hit" >song. It wouldn't have made his career any more profitable. But I feel it >would have made the album more enjoyable. Better. I am one of the three people in the world who likes 'Wafflehead', but it really doesn't fit in with the rest of the album. It would have made a great B-Side or bonus track. I feel the same about 'Allright Yeah'. It doesn't fit the mood of the album. Robyn claimed on the interview portion of _Spectre_ that 'Wafflehead' was put on the album to add levity after all the dark, minor key stuff. 'Allright Yeah' may have served that purpose just as well, I don't know. Because I know you care ;), --g ______________________________________________________________________ Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ______________________________________________________________________ "I spend all night with the dealer/Trying to get ahead/I spend all day at the Holiday Inn/Just trying to get out of bed." --Gram Parsons, 'Ooh, Las Vegas' ______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ fegmaniax@ecto.org From: Hello Dali Subject: The Law Firm of Black, Proud, Alpert, Prince, Primus and Zappa Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:53:27 -0700 On Sat, 5 Oct 1996 RxBroome@aol.com wrote: > >> I'll say it once, I'll say it loud: I'm bright and I'm proud. > Then, at 21:07 05.10.96 -0500, Truman Peyote wrote: >Did anyone else get the image in their head of that scene in "The >Commitments" where the saxophone player, after someone offers an >explanation for why the Irish are suited to the playing of R&B, says in a >thick Irish accent "Say it looud, I'm black and I'm proud" in an >incredulous tone of voice? :) > Actually, I thought of the James Brown tune of the same title. To those of you who think it odd that a feglister would like Prince or Primus (which I do), or Herb Alpert (which I don't), I must be a real curiosity in that I have a great affinity for and appreciation of James Brown. Zappa, on the other hand, is a deity. ;) Continuing the Herb Alpert thread with this piece of trivia: Herb Alpert is the only artist to ever have a number one instrumental single and a number one vocal single. Amaze your friends! Be the life of the party! On second thought... Cheers, Glen, who not only likes reading dictionaries, but whose goal is to become a lexicographer. How's that for Supergeekdom? ______________________________________________________________________ Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ______________________________________________________________________ "I spend all night with the dealer/Trying to get ahead/I spend all day at the Holiday Inn/Just trying to get out of bed." --Gram Parsons, 'Ooh, Las Vegas' ______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Hello Dali Subject: Re: Smoothie Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 14:53:21 -0700 At 20:24 05.10.96 -0400, Terrence M Marks wrote: >@SMOOTHIE Where might one obtain this song? Curiously yours, --g ______________________________________________________________________ Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ______________________________________________________________________ "I spend all night with the dealer/Trying to get ahead/I spend all day at the Holiday Inn/Just trying to get out of bed." --Gram Parsons, 'Ooh, Las Vegas' ______________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 22:49:20 +0100 (BST) From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: RE: Greatest Hits in the UK On 08-Oct-96 PARKERNW@WCG.CO.UK wrote: >Subject: Greatest Hits in the UK >For what it's worth, I've been told that the GH CD is not available=20 >even on import yet in the UK HMV in Glasgow have had a couple of copies. I got mine yesterday at the outrageously inflated price of =A317.49 (>$25) - mind you, I'm happy, as I just picked up a good condition Queen Elvis for $6 in a fine store in an otherwise cheesy mall in Ocean City, MD. Odd Thing #1: the spine printing on the QE CD is the other way up from nearly all other CDs... Odd Thing #2: read Robyn's stories alongside Andre Breton's "Soluble Fish", and note the amazing similarities. Stewart ------------------------------ From: "Baker, David(PIN-C09)" Subject: Re: Rolling Stone review Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 02:02:21 -0400 Is there any kind Feg out there who will be able to transcribe this review. In return, I'll be able to fill the list in on the review by the Australian Edition of Rolling Stone Magazine (if they deem it worthy of space). They generally have different reviews to the American counterpart. Thanks Dave. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 17:28:48 -0600 From: mbrage@surgery.bsd.uchicago.edu (Michael Brage) Subject: Re: Smoothie >>@SMOOTHIE > >Where might one obtain this song? > >Curiously yours, >--g This is on the Invisible History CD. Michael On the CD player: Bad Religion's "Stranger than Fiction" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:42:46 -0400 (EDT) From: ! Subject: Re: CMJ article complete On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Hello Dali wrote: > At 17:44 05.10.96 -0400, ! wrote: > >i also bought the Goldmine ish, which has rather a lot of text. are any > > I missed the Goldmine issue, so I would appreciate it very much if someone > (or someones) would post it to the list. Also, any chance of scanning the > photos and emailing them to me privately? since no one else has lept forward to volunteer, i'll take a crack at getting the goldmine text in. i think we will do this old time cliffhanger movie serial style, with bits in drips and drabs when my poor carpal-tunnel-damaged wrists are up to the task. i'll try to get a page or so in tonight before i run off to dinner... doug n.p. elysian fields _bleed your cedar_ -- oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug -- dmayowel@access.digex.net a.k.a. dougmhyphw@aol.com -- get yr recently updated pathos at http://www.mwmw.com/pathetic/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Oct 1996 15:51:53 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth CC: Vyrna Knowl Subject: Re: Dark "Gminor7" Energy > On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, the over-punctuated Chris retorted: > > > > > For the record, "Dmaj" is dark blue,... > > > > this is impossible only because it has to be brighter than Amaj, which > is not black by any means. no, no, no ... Amaj is a sort of red-orange color! (Ugh! I'm sorry I started this now!) -Nick ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 18:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Unhatched Crablings Tape Tree [here it is] Here's the Unhatched Crablings tape tree. Tenative, of course, because at least 4 people are going to ask to be put on the tree once I finalize it. What to do now: I have yet to receive my copy of Unhatched Crablings, so the tape tree itself is not progressing. [yes, I *did* set myself up as a bottleneck] 1)Branches: If you and I do not have a trade organized yet, *now* is the time to organize one. Also, unless otherwise specified, I will not mail tape cases. I am currently using Memorex type II 60 minute tapes. Why Memorex isntead of Maxell? Memorex about 40% off. If any branches here are allergic to Memorex, please let me know. 2) Leaves: Work out arrangements with your branches. When I recieve my copies of the tapes, I will start copying and mailing immediately, and I will then release leaf mailing addresses to the branches. If there are any problems, complaints, etc, please let me know. If your name is not on here, let me know immediately. Note: I'm not handling the DAT portion of this. I'm not too sure who is. I believe Bayard has that info. Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu Mike Brage 7 shane brashear Owen Gwilliam Chris Kouzes Jeff Pearce Jay M Montgomery Hamish Simpson James Dignan *Hal Brandt 7 Rico Gonzalez John McIntyre "(The Rooneys)" *Miles Goosens David Willems Rob Collingwood Wanda Chu *John B. Jones 9 woj Mitchell Dickerman Eric Neffke tom Don Share Alex Tanter Scott Carr <102465.41@compuserve.com> benjamin brainard Jonathan Turner jeff margrave 9 Cynthia Peterson jeffery vaska Griffith Davies Eric D. Wieder KCasey@aol.com David Michael Dunham Chris Franz Khoi Huynh Peter Palmer *Steve Schiavo 7 KeN SaBaTiNi Alex Wettreich Gene Hopstetter, Jr. Keith Clyne Gary Parker Jay Lyall Dmitry Gokhman Norman Parker ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Oct 1996 20:28:35 -0400 From: sister ernestine Subject: Re: Like A Real Smoothie also sprach Hello Dali : >Where might one obtain this song? in addition to the invisible history disc, this song also appears on the bootleg blue vinyl (or is that Amaj?) "1980 rehearsals" 7". woj ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .