From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #202 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 202 Tuesday October 8 1996 To post, send mail to fegmaniax@ecto.org To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@ecto.org with the words "unsubscribe fegmaniax-digest" in the message body. Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/index.html Archives are available at ftp://www.ecto.org/pub/lists/fegmaniax/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- RE: no rh--question about j. cope no rh--question about j. cope RE: no rh--question about j. cope Chordal Coulour; Critics... Yes, a large fry please Re: McByrd Greatest Hits in the UK Robyn at Nachtleben, Frankfurt, 7 Oct. 1996 Re: Robyn at Nachtleben, Frankfurt, 7 Oct. 1996 Re: Chordal Coulour; Critics... MS. CELANIOUS Instores? Maxwell's??? ------------------------------ From: "Baker, David(PIN-C09)" Subject: RE: no rh--question about j. cope Date: Mon, 7 Oct 1996 23:57:18 -0400 Tom, Floored Genius 1 was my introduction to Julian Cope and a fine one it was to. I have heard most of his albums now and I believe that this compilation is well chosen and makes a good overview of a fairly inconsistent career (IMHO). What to purchase after that compilation (if you are still interested) is difficult to recommend. World Shut Your Mouth and Peggy Suicide are my two favourites although I've heard almost every one of his releases being held up by someone to be his masterpiece. Fried and Wilder in particular have been disappointments to me not so much because they are bad albums but because I expected to like them a lot more than I do (considering the extracted cuts on the compilation and some recommendations I've heard for them). Either way, Floored Genius is a great compilation and probably the best introduction to Julian Cope (which is not what I would say about Robyn Hitchcock's Greatest Hits!) Dave. ---------- From: T.L.R. III Subject: no rh--question about j. cope Date: Tuesday, 8 October 1996 10:47AM could anyone tell me if "floored genius I" would be a good thing to buy for someone not looking to buy a lot of cds who found that he liked "everybody likes to shag" (which he bought for four bucks as a tape)? i'm trying to figure out how to get the best cd to act as a julian cope representative in my collection. any opinions?. . . . .thanks, tom * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * "questions are a burden for others. addresses: * * answers are a prison for oneself." small documents: tlr121@psuvm.psu.edu * * --village sign large documents: tom@tlr121.rh.psu.edu* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 23:36:09 -0500 From: Outdoor Miner Subject: RE: no rh--question about j. cope At 11:57 PM 10/7/96 -0400, Baker, David(PIN-C09) wrote: >Either way, Floored Genius is a great compilation and probably the best >introduction to Julian Cope (which is not what I would say about Robyn >Hitchcock's Greatest Hits!) I'll second that -- _Floored Genius Vol. 1_ is a pretty well-chosen sampler. Beyond that, Cope's two most accessable albums are _World Shut Your Mouth_ and _St. Julian_. The Teardrop Explodes' _Kilimanjaro_ would also make the list, but I think it's out of print again (sigh)... I had meant to post about Cope last month during the mini-discussion of the man. In short, I think that his alledged inconsistency has been vastly overstated -- viewed from the perspective of time, his ouvre appears quite excellent. Even his "worst" albums (_Fried_, _My Nation Underground_, and I'll toss in _Peggy Suicide_ just to bother folks) all have at least 3-4 stupendous tracks. As David said, you're gonna hear folks tout one and the same albums as either wacked-out crapola or his masterpieces, which makes it hard to judge. I mean, everyone likes _Peggy Suicide_ but me (I found it distressingly same-y for such a long album), and nearly everyone dislikes _Jehovahkill_ but me (hey, you don't have to buy into the "pixie shite" -- as one listmember dubbed it -- to get a ticket for the Mystic Trip). Here's my own idiosyncratic ranking of the proper Cope/Poppies albums: THE GREAT 1) World Shut Your Mouth 2) 20 Mothers 3) Jehovahkill 4) Kilimanjaro THE VERY GOOD 5) St. Julian 6) Fried (has grown on me over time) THE MEDIOCRE 7) Wilder 8) Autogeddon 9) My Nation Underground 10) Peggy Suicide Heck, I've even been known to enjoy _Droolian_ and _Rite_. Maybe I need to get my head checked... Later, Miles ===================================================================== I shift the blame to the worm in the bottle I shift the blame to anyone standing before me -- Wire, "Silk Skin Paws" Miles Goosens goosenmk@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ===================================================================== ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 01:16:45 -0400 Subject: Chordal Coulour; Critics... James says... (havya seen my wigaround) "Considering that Robyn says he hears chords in particular colours, perhaps it's not impossible. After all, if you can cross modalities between auditory and visual perception, why not tactile and visual perception? No, the important question here is not so much "is it possible?", but "do you want fries with that?"" Kristin Hersh has said that she's been in a constant search for the "perfect chord". And she also seems to receive her lyrics unconsciously and endeavors not to interfere with them on any level. I've always equated this with Robyn's chord-color association. Dunno why... maybe the two statements seem to share the same tonal color to me... (yes, fries too, please... mauve ones...) Me says: "> Firstly, I was actually stigmatized more simply as "knowin' all thahm > bigwahrds", but such is rural West Virginia. And you don't even need to ask > if I relate to this, Love." Truman says: " Hahaha! That isn't unique to West Virginia! Were you also asked to "speak English"? :) :) :)" Weirder still, snob that I was, I once told a 3rd grade classmate of mine (a true backwoodser with rudimentary language skills) that I really needed to teach him English. He responded, " Aw, Rex.... ahcantdoTHAHT!!!"... see, he thought that he spoke 'Merkin, not English, and that English was some hopelessly incomprehensible European language (cf. common joke "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me...") Me: " critics would > like Robyn to be a lot simpler than he is. The fact that he's NOT is why I'm > here." Truman: "Hmm......I was hoping maybe I had something to do with it, too :). Susan" Well, things have changed a little bit since I joined the list, haven't they :)? Tired old playedoutsoldoutimmortal REM dept: Bayard says: "It crossed my mind that perhaps Monster is Stipe doing Butler -- and, please, no speculation on the more carnal interpretations of that notion. Anyone else see this similar evolution?" More like Stipe doing the same influences as Butler. Bowie, T-Rex... you know. Stipe and the band lay it all to rest on "The Wake-Up Bomb" brilliantly: "I'd rather be anywhere / Doing anything"... one of those REM songs that's more useful than intrinsically great, but such are the wages of fame... Love to all, Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Oct 1996 22:50:36 -0700 From: Ryan Godfrey Subject: Yes, a large fry please James responded: >>I think it would take >>some serious "Gravity's Rainbow"-style Pavlovian conditioning to get a >>subject to the point where a question like "Can you tell blue skies from >>pain?" becomes relevant. And I can't believe Syd was that far gone. >ohho! moving onto my territory here (synaesthesia and perception in >general...). Considering that Robyn says he hears chords in particular >colours, perhaps it's not impossible. After all, if you can cross >modalities between auditory and visual perception, why not tactile and >visual perception? No, the important question here is not so much "is it >possible?", but "do you want fries with that?" We're going to take Robyn's word that he hears chords in particular colors? This is the same man who says he becomes a completely different person every seven years because that's how long it takes to replace every cell in the body. Mr. Hitchcock often says things of stunning brilliance and poeticality that have very little to do with the physical laws of the world that the rest of us are living in. A few decades ago another fellow named James had a pet phrase that popped up a few times in his novella about Dublin in mid-June: "the ineluctable modality of the visible." I've gotta agree with him on this one, although I'm willing to hear other views. Ryan rgodfrey@swlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 00:41:06 -0700 (PDT) From: gondola@deltanet.com (E.B.) Subject: Re: McByrd >From: RxBroome@aol.com >Subject: Celebrity guest appearance (McGuinn speaks) > >I stumbled across Roger McGuinn's e-mail address. I think it's genuine. > Understand that, to me, this is tantamount to finding St. Peter's phone >number whilst trying to get ahold of God (Dylan, obviously). Well, I assume you got it from the Byrds newsgroup, but you probably haven't been reading that group for very long. McGuinn is a FREQUENT poster to that newsgroup, and yes, it really is him. Whatta guy! So basically, I suspect that ANYONE who's a big Byrds fan (myself included) has his email address. I even have a couple of letters saved from McGuinn myself. He never writes more than a couple of sentences, but hey, that's certainly enough for me.... Eric B. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Oct 1996 08:03:00 +0000 (GMT) From: "NORMAN PARKER +44 (0)1473-222478" Subject: Greatest Hits in the UK Hey, at last something constructive I can send to the list ! For what it's worth, I've been told that the GH CD is not available even on import yet in the UK, possibly explaining why it's so damn hard to get, but will be released from sort of bizarre trade embargo soon, so us UK fegs should be able to get hold of it shortly. Norm. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:55:40 +0200 (METDST) From: James Isaacs Subject: Robyn at Nachtleben, Frankfurt, 7 Oct. 1996 So, anyway, I saw Robyn last night. I had to take a train from Heidelberg to Frankfurt, but it was only 28 DM round trip-not bad. I thought thse show was to start at 8, but Robyn and Tim did not show up until around 9:30. I said "Hey, Robyn" as he walked by, and he looked back and acknowledged me. Wow, acknowledged by the man himself! So, we got to go downstairs at about 9:50. Robyn was at the mike, eating a muffin, and staring out at the place (quite small). There were a whopping 20 people in the audience. Wearing a black and white checkered shirt (with some sort of design that distorted it somewhat) and black jeans, and acoustic guitar, (he was not wearing the guitar, just holding it like musicians do when they are playing) Robyn came out and opened with a lovely version of "Devil's Radio." He said "guten abend, ich heisse Robyn", and broke out into French. He then told a brief story about the next song, called Joan. He said if it were a man it would be Otto. Strangely enough, it was "Chinese Bones". Shakespeare never said "You're gonna be sorry". Next came a strange story concerning his grandfather and Jimi Hendrix, ducks and Quentin Tarentino. Somehow, it was a fitting intro for "THe Wind Cries Mary". He did a harmonica solo during the part of the song that would require instrumental bravado. Very nice. He said he had two types of picks. The Hail Mary pick was 8.8mm, and the baby Jesus pick was 7.3mm. Next up was "1974", which must have been Robyn's blue period. The next song, written for Sinatra's Duets album, was "My Wife and My Dead Wife". Continuing the Fegmania theme was "I'm Only You", with a very nice bit of reverbed guitar work at the end. He then fiddled with his pedal, named Lars, and went into "Glass Hotel". The next song was about death from cancer. Roban made mention of this, and that Elvis played Frankfurt. Very nice "Yip Song". -Intermission- Electric- playing a black Fender Telecaster, looked older than me. "I Am Not Me"- extremely good guitar solo at end. "I Dream of Antwoman"- I had never heard this song before, but I love the line "Being just contaminates the void". Then Robyn tuned the guitar down to play "You and Oblivion". Another ripping good guitar solo at the end. He tuned the guitar back up (E strings) and did another ripping good solo that had nothing to do with the next song. The next song was "Only the Stones Remain" Robyn exite the stage, and all 20 of us made the noise of 30 men. So, he came back with Tim, both playing acoustics (Tim plays a Takamine(?)) They played the German word game, withTIm giving translations for Robyn's German words. "Queen of Eyes"-sublime "Madonna of the Wasps" Robyn then told a story about spiders who brrowed into camels, and a man who had half his face eaten off while he slept. Tim said, "So don't sleep under camels." The next song was dedicated to the entire rock industry. "Queen Elvis" "Beautiful Queen"- Tim can really hit the high notes. Exit Tim and Robyn -Encore- "Alright Yeah" "Oceanside" End of show. I waited around for about 20 minutes, but R. and T. did not come out. I managed to catch the last train to Heidelberg only because it was 25 minutes late. God blessed my luck on that one. German trains, 25 minutes late? It is unheard of. What a great show. I envy my fellow Americans. James ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 11:09:16 -0500 (CDT) From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re: Robyn at Nachtleben, Frankfurt, 7 Oct. 1996 On Tue, 8 Oct 1996, James Isaacs wrote: > So, anyway, I saw Robyn last night. I had to take a train from > Heidelberg to Frankfurt, but it was only 28 DM round trip-not bad. > I thought thse show was to start at 8, but Robyn and Tim did not show up > until around 9:30. I said "Hey, Robyn" as he walked by, and he looked > back and acknowledged me. Wow, acknowledged by the man himself! > So, we got to go downstairs at about 9:50. Robyn was at the mike, eating > a muffin, and staring out at the place (quite small). There were a > whopping 20 people in the audience. TWENTY PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!??????!!!! Yikes. Actually, I think we in America envy YOU. I'm going to end up quite far from the stage here in Chicago, and it's going to be crowded as anything. > Wearing a black and white checkered > shirt (with some sort of design that distorted it somewhat) and black > jeans, Thanks for the fashion note. I'm sure I'm not the only one who needs to know these things. But what kind of guitar was it??????? (Gearheads- I also saw a show last night :).In case anyone is remotely curious, John Cale played a pretty standard Telecaster and a Korg keyboard- no acoustic instruments within 5 miles of that stage!) > and acoustic guitar, (he was not wearing the guitar, just > holding it like musicians do when they are playing) Robyn > came out and opened with a lovely version of "Devil's Radio." > He said "guten abend, ich heisse Robyn", and broke out into French. > He then told a brief story about the next song, called Joan. He said if > it were a man it would be Otto. Strangely enough, it was "Chinese > Bones". :) (very interesting and amusing stuff deleted in the interests of brevity) > -Intermission- > Electric- playing a black Fender Telecaster, looked older than me. Thanks! :) I needed to know that! > "I Am Not Me"- extremely good guitar solo at end. > "I Dream of Antwoman"- I had never heard this song before, but I love the > line "Being just contaminates the void". Read Percy Shelley's "Adonais". I'd get the quote for you, but alas P.B. is packed away somewhere. There's a part towards the end of that poem that refers to life being the stained glass dome that taints the whiteness of eternity (no quotes used here, cause I'm not exactly sure of the line, but that's the idea anyway, and it's awfully similar to, though a bit fancier than, Robyn's). > Robyn exite the stage, and all 20 of us made the noise of 30 men. Wow! That's impressive :). > So, he came back with Tim, both playing acoustics (Tim plays a Takamine(?)) > The next song was dedicated to the entire rock industry. > "Queen Elvis" Seems to me he does that a lot, judging from other accounts of live shows I've seen here. Can anyone verify that? > I waited around for about 20 minutes, but R. and T. did not come out. Awww.........:) At least you got an encore. Cale didn't even give us that, even though people were clapping and stomping for 15 minutes. > managed to catch the last train to Heidelberg only because it was 25 > minutes late. God blessed my luck on that one. German trains, 25 > minutes late? It is unheard of. LOL :). > What a great show. I envy my fellow Americans. As stated above, I think maybe we envy you a bit more :). Susan ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Chordal Coulour; Critics... > > Weirder still, snob that I was, I once told a 3rd grade classmate of mine (a > true backwoodser with rudimentary language skills) that I really needed to > teach him English. He responded, " Aw, Rex.... ahcantdoTHAHT!!!"... see, he > thought that he spoke 'Merkin, not English, and that English was some > hopelessly incomprehensible European language (cf. common joke "If English > was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me...") You should've offered to teach him Aramaic, then... Terrence ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 16:19:10 -0500 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: MS. CELANIOUS tix for boston went on sale saturday morning with a handful of fans buying for the billy/robyn show compared to the denizens of harry connick junior fans taking up space and my time. even the scalpers seemed confused when the list of shows going on sale went up. in other words, there are probably plenty of seats still available. i haven't heard anything about a meeting place for before or after the show, but i think jj foley's is as good as any. a short walk from the orpheum and dirt cheap. on another note, can anyone believe the write up in stolling rhone for the new albums? MOSS ELIXIR gets ***1/2 and MOSSY LIQUOR gets ****! i was flabbergasted. it all depends on who gets to do the review i guess. i believe i've read more positive reviews than negative. do we have a tally? the most critical stuff seems to have been on this list. >I'm wondering if anyone can tell me the name of the last untitled >instrumental on _Mossy Liquor_. Has Robyn ever given it a name in concert? as far as i can tell, it's an extention of 'heliotrope'. an outro if you will. it sounds like the same notes to me. KEN (who loves zappa and hates primus! go figure.) p.s. 'wish you were here' the song can easily be about/for syd. listen to the lyrics and it seems to empathize with losing touch with reality. pretty scintillating to me. WISH YOU WERE HERE the album is definitely dedicated to syd, so it's really not much of a stretch. >I don't think it's possible for any living creature to mistake pain for >some >non-painy aspect of the physical world beyond the experience of countless writers over the past one hundred and fifty years or so, innumerable gothic bands, the preponderence of drugs and violence in our society, and my own ability to appreciate what i consider painful; i can only say that there are many different kinds of pain. stimulus and response can be pretty varied. from baby tigers wrestling to the revels of severin, there seems to be plenty of grey area. i think that it's easy to mistake pain with pleasure when so often the two come hand-in-hand. i know it sounds like i'm asking for a spanking (and maybe i am), but if i want it doesn't that make me at least a little confused? >And I can't believe Syd was that far gone believe it. the man's brain was fried. some of his solo albums show that very well. "yes, i'm thinking..." P.P.S. RESPECT is just fine the way it is. 'wafflehead' and 'then you're dust' are both very cool. the album definitely has a reddish tonal hue. the cover art is right on. p.p.p.s. i have to come to the defense of AUTOGEDDON and PEGGY SUICIDE. i've listened to most of saint julian's ouvre and find them among his best. for what it's worth. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 17:12:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Instores? Does anyone know of any Bragg/Hitch In-store appearances coming up, esp. in the new york area? also: don't forget to mark your calendars for the RH broadcasts on e-town (boulder, co) and mt. stage, next month on the 3rd and 8th respectively. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Oct 1996 13:38:07 -0400 From: lj lindhurst Subject: Maxwell's??? I think I missed this. Could someone tell me when this might happen? I MUST be there! lj ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .