From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #197 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 197 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Queen Elvis, and all who sail in her That Thing You Do! Movie Decoy Happy=Filthy from the horse's mouth QE2 Re: Happy=Filthy from the horse's mouth Paul Weller Mossy Elvis SF: Warfield Show Re: Queries & SF Show today the Iron Horse says..... TABS Trees, etc. juke box jury re: happy-filthy from the horses mouth Re: SF: Warfield Show Rob & Demme Re: CRD: Heliotrope (you got it!) RE: juke box jury ------------------------------ From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 12:26:23 +0100 Subject: Queen Elvis, and all who sail in her Item Subject: cc:Mail Text Phew! Cor' blimey, strike a light guv', apples and pears, etc, etc. Big, sticky thank-yous to Bayard for the Queen Elvis CD. What on earth were A&M thinking of not releasing this in the UK? It is BRILLIANT. (sorry for shouting) I can't believe it was over the title. I believe I have heard comments of overproduction from the list. To me it is lush and rich. For those few who actually read my Uncarved Pumpkins review and the fewer who remember it you will remember my desire to hear the proper Devils Coachman. I am completely astounded!! I had expected to like it but this is now my fave RH tune. The album quality is consistently high (unlike GoF) and the driving fretless bass lines of Mr Metcalfe make me swoon. (It's easy to tell from his volume that he had a hand in production.) I can't believe we shan't hear any more of him. The song I like least is Knife. It's OK and the sinewy bass line is excellent, but the line "here is a pointy, daggery knife" makes me cringe a tad. Freeze sounds like a nod in the direction of Bill Carter and the Screaming Blue Messiahs. It sounds really like one of the tracks from their second album (Gun Shy) which I can't remember the name of at the moment. Especially the drum rhythm and the shouted bit at 2:22 to 2:27. The CD currently resides in my work PC's CD-ROM and Freeze is playing as we speak and I eat my lunch (which I forget as I eat it). Hamish (listening to the beautiful Queen, Elvis that is) P.S. I can even forget that what's his name plays on some of it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:02:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Halloween Jack Subject: That Thing You Do! I got to see a sneak preview of Tom Hanks' new film "That Thing You Do" last night and there was definitely no Robyn song nor mention of him in the credits. Quite disappointing, actually, since I had looked forward to a Robyn composition. Still, it was an excellent, if predictable, film with some damn catchy songs! -Andrew. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 09:34:18 -0500 From: "John, Jacci, & Madison" Subject: Movie Decoy found on yesterday's Music News of the World website: It's now official. Jonathan Demme will direct a concert film of cult artist Robyn Hitchcock performing in New York next month. Demme, you might recall, directed the acclaimed Talking Heads film, Stop Making Sense, as well as The Silence of the Lambs and Philadelphia. We understand that Demme has been a Hitchcock fan for years. The film will be out in '97, along with a soundtrack album. In addition to performing a mix of older material and songs from his latest album, Moss Elixir, Hitchcock plans to debut a bunch of new songs. And he just may be joined by some cool guests, whose names we can't reveal quite yet. "This will hurl this cult artist into a different realm," said a source who works with Hitchcock. "A whole new audience will discover Robin through Demme's film. It's a wonderful thing." Hitchcock begins a North American tour later this month. At the moment, the first date is in Montreal on Oct. 24, but we understand that it could start sooner than that. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Dole _IS_ '96! That would be the best campaign slogan"- Billy Bragg john b. jones jojones@syr.edu http://web.syr.edu/~jojones -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 96 09:16:30 EDT From: KeN SaBaTiNi Subject: Happy=Filthy from the horse's mouth Hola, In thelatest issue of CMJ (November!--jeez, I got it on Oct. 1 in the mail) they inlcude a one page article on Robyn. I haven't got the time to trascribe it now, but I wanted to share the part on Happy Bird, which adds yet another interpretation of the song. If you recall (if anyone is interested), we had Happy Bird = Filthy Bird as potentially referring to: * true expression of oneself--that is, when we allow ourselves to express our imaginations to the full, we necessarily allow all thoughts to flow--good and ugly . . . so when we do this we can be seen by some as filthy, while we are truly happy (something like this anyway) * Bird as a war plane--it, the plane, is only happy when it is wreaking destruction on life. * freedom to be dirty--similar to the first one, I guess, except it doesn't go beyond the idea of a bird wallowing in the dirt having a great time, celebrating in its immediate filth (this was my simple contribution) Bored yet? Well in the article in CMJ Robyn discusses the song: (the parts in quotes are Robyn's words, while the non-quoted material are the thoughts of the writer, Tom Lanham) "We'd just been to see "Philadelphia", the Jonathon Demme film, and we saw a duck right in the middle of Charing Cross Road, just walking down the road. And it was a filthy duck, it had some oil on it and it didn't look like it had the energy to take off. And people noticed this duck. Pretty soon, two policemen turned up and they weren't very tall--they were the kind of guys who wouldn't have been policemen 15 years ago, but they lowered the height limit because theywere so desperate for cops. So these twoshort policemen chased the duck into and alley and we all watched them pick it up. WE all watched because they were *the police*. Then a van arrived, and they took the duck away to the river, to drop it in the Thames. And then about a year later, we almost in the same place, and avery sad bird was lying on the ground, a dirty pigeon that the others had rejected. My girlfriend and I were standing there, and only one other person had noticed this bird, and he came up and wrapped it in newspaper and took it away saying, 'I'll look after this.'" A worried look suddenly creases the singer's boyish features. "I hope he wasn't a pervert or a sadist..." So, Filthy Bird is urging us to be kind to our fine-feathered friends? Hithcock shakes his head no. "The song has more to do with the fact that U can only really be happy in this world if you enjoy evil, if you can accept a lot of brutality. Basically, you have to be sick to be satisfied with society as it is now, or even to be satisfied with the way the human being operates. What we have here are is disease shot through with beauty. There are billions of little intricate things to celebrate in life, but I feel that the main carcass of humanity is beginning to stink us off the planet, and its only a matter of time before we go. I just hopewe don't take everything with us. Um, *that's* what the song is about." End of article material--------------------------------------------------- So Robyn offers us a fourth interpretation: that because humans have allowed the world to become what is has, it is now a place where only a sick (filthy) creature could possible be happy here. A happy bird is a filthy bird. Good day, Ken ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ken Sabatini The value of the average conversation Dept. of Psychology could be enormously improved by the University of Georgia constant use of four simple words: Athens, GA "I do not know." -Andre Maurois ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 15:26:52 +0100 Subject: QE2 Item Subject: cc:Mail Text I forgot to mention in my last post. It also struck me as bizarre that the Kershaw CD contains 3 songs (recorded on my 23rd birthday) from an album the listening public would never hear. Hamish (lost for ... erm) P.S. The Veins (Mix) is excellent and has just finished playing, going spookily into the standard version during shuffle mode. P.P.S. I will switch to digest for the next few weeks since I will be off work for the next two weeks "having a baby" and don't want to come back to 3 squillion messages. Should be born at 9:30 on Monday morning. I'll let you know if I get to call it Maisie. (My wife wants to call it Morris, but with a Robyn already I'd feel obliged to go for the set.) Hang loose fegchums. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 12:54:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Eugene Subject: Re: Happy=Filthy from the horse's mouth On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, KeN SaBaTiNi wrote: > So, Filthy Bird is urging us to be kind to our fine-feathered friends? > Hithcock shakes his head no. "The song has more to do with the fact that U can > only really be happy in this world if you enjoy evil, if you can accept a lot > of brutality. Basically, you have to be sick to be satisfied with society as > it is now, or even to be satisfied with the way the human being operates. > What we have here are is disease shot through with beauty. There are billions > of little intricate things to celebrate in life, but I feel that the main > carcass of humanity is beginning to stink us off the planet, and its only a > matter of time before we go. I just hopewe don't take everything with us. > Um, *that's* what the song is about." > > > End of article material--------------------------------------------------- > > > So Robyn offers us a fourth interpretation: that because humans have allowed > the world to become what is has, it is now a place where only a sick (filthy) > creature could possible be happy here. A happy bird is a filthy bird. > In Boston two years ago, Robyn introduced the song by saying, "This song is to Neut Gingrich and the rest of the Republican party..." -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tipper Gore said to Lou Reed, "Lou Reed, how can we communicate better with our children?" Lou Reed responded, "We would probably have to sit down and talk about it over a bottle of scotch, and maybe, some crack." It's back! My lovely Humor Home page: http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~ebmF92 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "E.I.E.I. Owen" Subject: Paul Weller Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:22:53 -0700 At 12:27 02.10.96 -0500, Truman Peyote, referring to Paul Weller's eponymous solo debut album on Go! Discs, asked: >Is the album any good? I've been spotting it around the use >bins lately and I'm curious. I think it is excellent!!! One of the better albums of the nineties. Sorta retro (there's that word again), yet very mature. It holds up after repeated listenings. I recommend it wholeheartedly. I'll buy it from you if you don't like it. With his album _Wildwood_ on the other hand, you're on your own...*P* *U* Happy listening, --g ______________________________________ "If baseball were played any slower, it would be called 'farming'. --Glen Uber ______________________________________ Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ------------------------------ From: "E.I.E.I. Owen" Subject: Mossy Elvis Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 10:22:55 -0700 fegs, I saw a still sealed _Mossy Liquor_ LP ($10.99 U.S.) and a used _Queen Elvis_ CD ($9.99 U.S.) yesterday. Anyone want 'em? Eme privately. Love on yas, --g ______________________________________ "If baseball were played any slower, it would be called 'farming'. --Glen Uber ______________________________________ Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 11:13:47 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth CC: "Clark, Tom" , dot chris , "Partridge, John" , "Reynolds, Russ" , "Uber, Glen" Subject: SF: Warfield Show Bay Area Fegs: ...just thought I'd pass along the latest info I have: I just called the Warfield. Their recorded message says that tickets for the Nov. 8th show go on sale on Sunday October 6th. $18.50 main floor and $17.50 balcony. I *think* its reserved seating but the message was very unclear (at least, it did not say "general admission", as some other shows). If you've seen a show there recently perhaps you tell us how they're set up? Also, if you can get there, you can avoid the Bass rip-off by buying tickets in person at the Fillmore on Sundays from 10-4. (limit 6) >From my correspondence with Glen, it seems that several of us are likely to be meeting up prior to the show -- let's coordinate at least to the extent of not ending up in different parts of the auditorium! Could be quite a party ..at least two birthdays are involved here (Glen + me). Anyone else interested? (..in meeting, that is: not in having a birthday.) -Nick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 14:14:32 -0500 (CDT) From: John Tyson Littlejohn A couple of queries: I. What was the Hitchcock track on "Alvin Lives at Leeds"? II. Is RH trying to sound like Van Morrison? The horns on Devil's Radio sounds like something from "Astral Weeks" and "DeChirico Street" sounds like something from "Hymns to the Silence" Thanks JL ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Queries & SF Show Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 12:44:03 -0700 From: Tom Clark "The Lobster Gang" John asks: >A couple of queries: > >I. What was the Hitchcock track on "Alvin Lives at Leeds"? "Kung Fu Fighting" >II. Is RH trying to sound like Van Morrison? The horns on Devil's Radio >sounds like something from "Astral Weeks" and "DeChirico Street" sounds >like something from "Hymns to the Silence" dunno Then Nick writes: >From my correspondence with Glen, it seems that several of us are likely >to be meeting up prior to the show -- let's coordinate at least to the >extent of not ending up in different parts of the auditorium! Could be >quite a party ..at least two birthdays are involved here (Glen + me). >Anyone else interested? (..in meeting, that is: not in having a >birthday.) Count me in. At the Warfield I always reserve a table in the back of the main floor cuz that's where the wheelchair section is (revelation!). It's a pretty open area right off the main corridor. -tc p.s. To Whom It May Concern: J'ai besoin d'un taxi a sept heures. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Oct 1996 15:40:33 -0400 From: Alex Tanter Subject: today the Iron Horse says..... "We won't know anything until the end of the month." Marcy ------------------------------ From: firstcat@lsli.com Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 15:24:54 Subject: TABS Trees, etc. Hi everyone, we got a big contract at work so I've been absorbed with making money (how vulgar).... ...any ways I hope to finish getting the tab page up this weekend and will have a boot list up for those who are hanging from the trees with me... ...this weeks personal triumph...got EYE put on the juke box at the local pub...as it is its the only RH the service carries, go figure... Cheers Jay ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall Channel Sales Director Livermore Software Laboratories, Intl. 2825 Wilcrest, Suite 160 Houston, Texas 77042-3358 1-713-974-3274 jay@lsli.com Date: 10/3/96 "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals; I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." --A. Whitney Brown ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 14:48:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: juke box jury Jay reports: >...this weeks personal triumph...got EYE put on the juke box at the local >pub...as it is >its the only RH the service carries, go figure... sounds like a fun pub. I betcha the place will will be hoppin' when they get an earfull of "Chinese Water Python" ------------------------------ From: "jeffery j vaska" Subject: re: happy-filthy from the horses mouth Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 15:35:26 -0700 ken sabatini clippe for us (robyn speaking): "The song has more to do with the fact that U can only really be happy in this world if you enjoy evil, if you can accept a lot of brutality. Basically, you have to be sick to be satisfied with society as it is now, or even to be satisfied with the way the human being operates. What we have here are is disease shot through with beauty. There are billions of little intricate things to celebrate in life, but I feel that the main carcass of humanity is beginning to stink us off the planet, and its only a matter of time before we go. I just hopewe don't take everything with us. Um, *that's* what the song is about." and so says me... i'm not an expert on Blake or anything, but (to chime on my obsession with comparing robyn to the english romantic poets), robyn's statement is sort of blakian (only for comparative purposes). why? well, blake definitely did not separate the worlds of good and evil. in fact, blake felt that the active world of imagination was actually an evil thing (isn't it in the "proverbs of hell?"). in order to be imaginative, to think one's way out of the wallow, one must be evil - to find some pleasure in it i guess you must say. am i the only person who sees something connected here? have i become schizophrenic again? have i gone schizophrenic again? blah, blah, blah...rosebud. ____________________________________________________________ ethnic/world music director, kzuu 90.7 fm @ washington state university u.s. correspondent, brasil 2000 103.7 fm - sao paolo, brasil vaska, jeffery | jvaska@mail.wsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 16:02:54 -0700 (PDT) From: MARC HORTON dot chris , "Partridge, John" , "Reynolds, Russ" , "Uber, Glen" Subject: Re: SF: Warfield Show bay area fegs-- although they didn't say anything about "general admission," i'm assuming that the main floor tickets will be, if only because the last time Robyn played there in '93, and at most of the other shows i've seen there, that's been the scenario. thanks for the tip about getting the tix at the Fillmore--i had no idea... it's good to know there are so many bay area fegs out there, and probably more still lurking in the shadows. if anyone is into getting together before the show, let me know...meeting other fegs is always a worthwhile endeavor! Yours, Marc Horton "What happens to the rat that stops running the race? The doctors' think it's dumb, when it's just disappointed..." -MarK EitzeL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 08:30:11 +0800 (SST) From: Kevin M Mathews Subject: Rob & Demme Here's some info I picked up from me freind Ben - >Director Demme Now Set To Work >With Robyn Hitchcock > > Hitchcock > to hit the > road. > > > > It's > now official. > Jonathan > Demme will > direct a > concert film > of cult artist > Robyn > Hitchcock > performing in > New York > next month. >Demme, you might recall, directed the acclaimed >Talking Heads film, Stop Making Sense, as well >as The Silence of the Lambs and Philadelphia. We >understand that Demme has been a Hitchcock fan >for years. The film will be out in '97, along with a >soundtrack album. In addition to performing a mix >of older material and songs from his latest album, >Moss Elixir, Hitchcock plans to debut a bunch of >new songs. And he just may be joined by some >cool guests, whose names we can't reveal quite >yet. "This will hurl this cult artist into a different >realm," said a source who works with Hitchcock. >"A whole new audience will discover Robin >through Demme's film. It's a wonderful thing." >Hitchcock begins a North American tour later this >month. >Cheers, Kevin. ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Thu, 3 Oct 96 21:12:30 EDT Subject: Re: CRD: Heliotrope (you got it!) RE: ben@deafkhan and Mike Hardaker's tuning advice! Mike Hardaker said: > > Hmmm... > > I'm certain that the song is in C and the opening chord is C (with a > possible (add9). > > I'm also *pretty* cartain that it only really sounds right in open C > tuning, viz: > Actually, I've almost got it sounding right in standard, but the intro is awkward. Except for having to relearn basic chord positions (I'm a c-tuning newbie), your way is obviously better. I'll see if I can contribute anything. It'll be friday before I can try any more, but you're right about the intro! It's just the same thing on 3 different strings this way! If there's any doubt a few weeks from now, I'll try to watch Robyn's hands on oct 24. > EGCGCE > > If nothing else, that's the only way to get the intro sounding just so. > > I'm still struggling with a couple of the chords, but the shapes are not > unlike: > > C/G - 300000 > C(add9) - 000020 > F - x20201 > FM7 - 120200 > ? - x32020 > ? - x02020 > The C with the A# bass is x30000. > (I haven't even worked out what those marked '?' are all about, but it's > only a starting point...) > > Cheers, Mike I'd still like to work out a standard tuning arrangement of this *after* we figure it out the right way. Thanks, Mike and Ben! -- Ross Overbury "La mort avant la figure ASCII souriante" Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ From: "Baker, David(PIN-C09)" Russ Reynolds Subject: RE: juke box jury Date: Thu, 3 Oct 1996 22:06:55 -0400 Jay said: >...this weeks personal triumph...got EYE put on the juke box at the local >pub...as it is >its the only RH the service carries, go figure... and then Russ responded: >sounds like a fun pub. I betcha the place will be hoppin' when they >get an earful of "Chinese Water Python" I must agree. I would have thought Underwater Moonlight or Fegmania would be a better soundtrack to an evening at a Pub. EYE would be a better soundtrack to waking up the next morning with a hangover and a foggy memory of your wife leaving you the previous night! All of which is a bit irrelevant because I imagine any Robyn Hitchcock albums being played at an Australian pub. Dave (Who has actually dreamt more than once that he heard a Robyn Hitchcock song on a local radio station. It is almost disturbing how excited I was at this event in my dream). ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .