From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #186 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 186 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: More highfalutin' art shit... Re: What did you say? Re: Clickot Re: What did you say? Unhatched Crablings **IF YOU WANT A COPY READ THIS** Python, misheard Robyn lyrics, more REM... Re: Chrissie and Cutler's Hunka Hunka Burnin' Noblesse Oblige Unhhatched Crablings [One more thing] Re: What did you say? DAT Taping Robyn's US Tour Re: Robyn Bob & Albert Tree Robyn and Graham Re: DAT Taping Robyn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:21:22 -0500 (CDT) From: sdodge@inforel.com (Truman Peyote) Subject: Re: More highfalutin' art shit... Dearest, gaspingly adorable Rex Broome, for whom I would gladly slay ten green scaly slimy horned fire-breathing dragons and ask nothing in return but a kiss, writes the following: >I: "Clickot" lyrics: >"she uncorked herself >teeth spilling from her nostrils >her handle inflect fill my hand just so" > >Think it's "inflate"... Yep, me too. >"in her breasts' cup she wore" > >Think it's breast "pocket". Yup. I hear that too. >"a fishlength angela" > >Think it's "fish named Angela". Oh Rex, though it pains me, I must disagree. I swear it's "a fish named Angelo". >III: Peter Says: >"All Los Angeles Fegs!!! >Tour time brings with it my habitual invitation to meet up before the show, >down the pub. Blatzman and I will be there. Any takers? Me! Can I come too? :) >IV: Susan, precious Susan, for whom hallways and staircases everyday I climb >to go out to my whitewalled room out on the edge of time, says: I like that one :). >"I think ("SYTYIL:" described in the "Can of Bees" liner notes is the same as >the "PI" track) actually. Because didn't Robyn once make some comment about > >feeling that it was somehow too warm and fuzzy to be quite right for the > >SBs, and that that was the reason it was not recorded with them? Perhaps > >it's just my poor befuddled brain, but it seems to me that I remember > >reading something like that once somewhere (ooooh! so SPECIFIC :))." > >It's in the liner notes themselves, Love. He sez it was "too folk-rock for >1978". But I kinda wonder when those notes were written-- they're not on my >vinyl copy, but my pre-Ryko Two Crabs CD reissue, which DOES have 'em, bears >a release date of 1990, just prior to "PI"... could be a title vintage '90, >song vintage '91? Hehe, that is where I read it- the liner notes from the Ryko reissue. My copy is a taped one, so I didn't have the CD in front of me to refer to. Duh! Now that I think on't, you are probably right- I just thought it was more romantic, somehow, to think that Robyn had held on to the song for years looking for a proper home for it. >V: The Art and Painting Thing: >(me and then, not surprisingly, Susan again:) > >" >>one might even describe his more brutally biological explosions of gristle >as > >>a little bit Bacon-esque (think "Can of Bees")." > >"Yes. I think mostly what fits here is the darker SBs stuff like "Pigworker" > >and such (Can of Bees, basically, as you said), although "Agony of > >Pleasure" kind of has this feeling about it too." > >Almost mentioned "Agony" here. Bet you're shocked. How 'bout "Devil Mask" >and "Tropical Flesh"? Yes, yes, both good suggestions, my scrummiest, especially "Devil Mask". >(rejection of Matisse parallel deleted) >I was kind of blowing off content altogether here and referring to Robyn's >painting pallette and technique, which looks a little creamy and post-fauvy >to me. Hence Matisse. I have to disagree here again, though I wish I didn't :). This would make sense for middle-period Matisse obviously, but not that later, screamingly primary colored stuff. Robyn's pallete actually reminds me a bit more of Marie Laurencin (spelling?). Though it isn't nearly as precious as all her lavender and periwinkle shadings, still there's a certain overall lightness (creamy, as you so aptly put it) that is oddly similar. Overall, though, painting-wise, I think he reminds me mostly of Ernst. >The always-resourceful James Dignan brings up the subject of "Robyn: >Modernist or Post-Modernist?" Don't get me started-- I warn you. You would all be wise to heed this warning :). >I think Robyn is archly modernist, and a lot of his subject matter derives >from his >perplexed vantage point on the post-modern world. His "sampling" -type >references (James astutely pegs several) are alway witty and knowing in a >very modernist way. Yes. We jazzhead-types (any of you on the list here besides me? I suspect that it's possible :)) refer to this as "quoting", and as any fellow jazz-addicted geek can attest (it's a sickness not unlike Fegmania, really:)), it's something of a long-standing tradition, useful both for showing off your knowledge of other people's solos (and your dazzling technical ability to combine them in odd ways) and communicating with fellow musicians (e.g.- when someone's been soloing a little TOO long, someone else will break into the middle of it with a phrase from the song "You're Driving Me Crazy"). In Robyn's case, it's obviously primarily used humorously or in tribute. I think there are only two types of post-modern >pop-musicians: >1) Truly impish, sample-happy appropriationists-- techno, hip-hop and their >respective descendants on a good day, and... >2) Ripoff artists who get away with it, no matter how far short of the mark >they fall. Two words: Gallagher, Corgan. Haha! Very true. A friend of mine once observed that Oasis sounded like teenagers attempting to recreate "Revolver". Which, come to think of it, reminds me of what was often so aptly said about Duran Duran back in the day- that they sounded like 12 year old kids attempting to play Roxy Music :). Anyway (to make a perfectly obvious point :)), these artists (so-called) can get away with it usually because their target audience is pretty much unfamiliar (or in Duran squared's case, completely ignorant of the existence of) the original, and thus thinks said artists are new and amazing. Of course there ARE artists of this type who actually do achieve near-perfect imitations of their idols. Witness Superdrag. >Robyn has a foot in the pre-modern world of folk tradition, lives in the >modernist world, and stares the postmodern morass square in the face. I >think that may be why he rules with mocking disdain over all. What he said. >VI: Tom Says: >"Susan and Rex have been making us all sick with stuff like: >>>Susan, who is a certified genius and really pretty, too, >> >>Why thank you. You're pretty scrummy yourself, you know :). >> > >Geez, get a room already!! Believe me, we'd like nothing better!!!!!!! :) > >-tom "blissfully living the married life and jealous of you wacky kids"" > >I'm afraid this kind of thing is only going to get worse... isn't it, Dear? Oh yes, snookum snuggly warm fuzzy lovey bunny :). Definitely. >See you in November, I'm quivering with antici........pation. >PS: REM dept.: >Glen says: >"I must admit (even though it was I who originally said I don't like REM) I > >love the electric guitar on this song. When Peter Buck comes in with those > >six descending notes about halfway into the song, it makes me feel tingly in > >all the right places. The fat tone he manages to squeeze out of the guitar > >on that song is reminiscent of Brian May. That part always blows my mind. > >The strings (courtesy John Paul Jones) are pretty good, too." > >Aaarrgh!!! You've managed to laud one of my favorite bands, and not a bad >tune, by evoking two of the bands I despise perhaps more than any others >ever! Brian MAY? The highfalutin' asshole wanker from Juliard? Peter Buck? >Gut-level god of unpretentious guitar (Kay's got his number...)? Peter would >probably cringe only SLIGHTLY less at the comparison that I do... Rex, when I saw this I just knew you'd get upset :). I must confess that I don't hear Brian May in there anywhere either, but that's probably because I don't want to. No offense to Glen and other lurking Queen aficionados, but listening to Queen produces feelings in me that are not unlike a terribly bad hangover- splitting headaches, nausea, and a desperate wish for it to please GO AWAY. Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 20:43:57 -0500 From: Dmitry Gokhman Subject: Re: What did you say? Terrence M Marks wrote: > Well, earlier, I would've sworn that the last bit of the Yip song went > "Foster sweetheart, I'm your twin now". And oddly enough, I would've > sworn that that's what it said in the lyrics sheet also. I think it's Forces' sweetheart (as in Armed Forces), which she was. - D -- Dmitry Gokhman http://www.math.utsa.edu/~gokhman Brahms Gang/Mathematics/UT San Antonio ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 18:56:02 -0700 From: Ryan Godfrey Subject: Re: Clickot > > And for the last time, does ANYONE besides me hear Robyn (or someone" saying > > "Clickot!" twice in the studio chatter at the end of "Song No. 4"?!?!? >yes! absolutely! What about "I kissed you by the Clickot River" on "Speed of Things"? --Ryan ------------------------------ From: JillA70398@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:01:09 -0400 Subject: Re: What did you say? In a message dated 96-09-20 05:53:23 EDT, you write: << T.S. I know some people love basketball, but not me. When they invent a sport in which grown men run up and down a hardwood court trying to stuff bread into toasters, I'll watch *that*. >> I think I saw that on ESPN2, once... Jill ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Unhatched Crablings **IF YOU WANT A COPY READ THIS** Sorry for shouting. Yep. I volunteered to create the tape tree. Bayard previously posted the contents, and I imagine that the contents will change slightly before this gets distributed. What we need: Need a guy to do the DAT bits. I'll organize, but I'm DAT incapable. If you want to be a branch, fill this little questionaire out. All branches will recieve the 120 minute version of the tape. [2 60 min tapes] Name: Email Address: Snailmail Address: How many copies are you willing to make: Can you do DAT: Can you do DAT-Analog: Can you do Analog: Also, I'll be doing distribution to the Analog Branches. If you're willing to trade, please include a tradelist. If not, standard deal is you send 2 60 min tapes +$1.50 postage or 3 60 min tapes or $4.50 (money goes for tapes, mailer and postage. This is a not-for-profit venture. You're sending the materials in the form of a cheque.) If you want to be a leaf, fill the shortened questionaire out. Name: Email Address: Snailmail address: Leaves and branches work out their own deals. Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 23:32:21 -0400 Subject: Python, misheard Robyn lyrics, more REM... Too bad nobody spoke up for Brian May after I dissed him-- I so wanted to make up a horrible joke about how, if Robyn had started collaborating with May instead of Peter Buck, things might've turned out differently-- Robyn replaces Freddie Mercury; band changes name to "Queen... of Eyes"; huge international smash hit "Bohemian Squid" follows... oopps, I've gone and done it, haven't I? Robyn /Billy tickets in LA are outrageously expensive! $27.00, fer chrissakes. Seems a bit steep even for the double-headliner thing. MORE MISHEARD ROBYN LYRICS: from "Ride"-- "Love me, love me, love me, love me love me/ that's what all the rapists say". Thought this line was a shocking heartbreaker and brilliant. Disappointed to find out that it was the setup for a backing-vocal joke about trees being turned into paper... Ryan asks: "Does RH have connections to the (Monty Python) Circus boys, or is he just a fan like the rest of us?" A (sort of) friend reports having seen Robyn do a live show the day after Graham Chapman died. Robyn mentioned his sadness and said that there were only two groups he really felt he could fit into, or had ever wanted to be in: The Beatles and Monty Python. I don't remember for certain, but I believe he supposedly followed the speech with a cover of one of those Python musical numbers-- don't remember which one, or it this is in fact what supposedly happened (any tapers know? Probably LA or SF show). So yeah, definitely a major fan. My buddy Blatzman slags Micheal Stipe by comparing him to Robyn. Apples and oranges, say I. Funny that in my last post I was pontificating on the modernist/postmodernist thing. Robyn is a modernist. Stipe is far-gone-and-out postmodern. If you're on the cusp, you might dig both. Otherwise, the fact that they've both worked with the same guitarist is hardly a reason to assume their songwriting styles should answer to the same criteria. I figure Dave would hate Stipe's early lyrics, too, if they could be understood. (Appropos to both this and the misheard lyric thing, one of my favorite interpretations of early REM was cited by Stipe in an interview-- someone had actually asked him what he'd meant in "Sitting Still" when he sang "We could gather, throw up beer".) Rex PS-- since we're still on REM, I've finally figured out why I like their new one so so much-- it's "Reckoning" on steroids. Listen to those choruses. Scrummy. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 22:31:53 -0500 (CDT) From: sdodge@inforel.com (Truman Peyote) Subject: Re: Chrissie and Cutler's >In a message dated 96-09-19 13:41:28 EDT, you write: > ><< Chrissie was later married to Jim Kerr > of Simple Minds: a liaison which didn't last long but produced another kid. > Doesn't surprise me, 'cause I can't imagine anyone *wanting* to be married > to Kerr. (My apologies to you Kerr fans out there!) > | >> >As a friend of mine succinctly put it while watching Kerr in a Simple Minds >video years ago: "What is THAT?!" Indeed? What is it? I remember reading awhile back that Kerr said something about a 20 minute live set being ideal, because then you would get "just the good ones". What does he do for the other 17 minutes? >>>Several years ago, I >bought my first copy of I Often Dream of Trains at Cutler's, and the clerk >was, well, a little odd. He scowled, then praised my taste in music ("it's >about time someone bought something good") and proceeded to THROW the >cassette AT me. I was slightly stunned, to say the least.<< > >Reminds me of when I bought Bongwater's "The Power of Pussy" and the >middle-aged guy behind the counter informed me that he's uncomfortable >selling that album to women because of the title. Chivalry? Sexism? Both >or neither? Y'all be the judge. Sexism disguised as chivalry. Obviously a wanker. Ok, this pressed one of my buttons really hard- once and for all, all would-be protectors of my (close to non-existent :)) virtue are hereby cordially invited to piss off and SHUT UP- I am really tired of the phrase "women and children" and of hearing it in connection with said "wommennchildren" being protected from various things that patriarchy besotted simps do not want me knowing about. Woman does not equal child, and furthermore, I can probably handle so-called obscene material much better and in a more mature fashion than these lamers can even imagine doing. Ok, I feel better now :). Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 21:38:24 -0700 From: Ryan Godfrey Subject: Hunka Hunka Burnin' Noblesse Oblige No one has yet expressed interest in any of my four lovingly hand-crafted extra Queen Elvis CDs. Can it be that everyone's got un who want's un? Or was I just too greedy in my list of demands? Let me know, or I'll send 'em back whence they came. --Ryan rgodfrey@swlink.net ----------------------- | Sig itur ad astra | ----------------------- ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 00:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Unhhatched Crablings [One more thing] D'oh. Oh yeah... Leaves: If you want DAT, you MUST say so. Otherwise you get analog. Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 23:41:36 -0700 From: Bibo Ergo Sum Subject: Re: What did you say? At 22:01 20.09.96 -0400, JillA70398@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 96-09-20 05:53:23 EDT, you write: > ><< T.S. I know some people love basketball, but not me. When they invent a > sport in which grown men run up and down a hardwood court trying to stuff > bread into toasters, I'll watch *that*. >> > >I think I saw that on ESPN2, once... I saw it, too. It was on after the "International Synchronised Toast-Topping Competition". >From the helm of the Toast Ship, --g ########################################################## "All things are dirty to the dirty-minded." --Ovid ########################################################## # Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ # ########################################################## ------------------------------ From: born2run@pipeline.com Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 14:32:17 GMT Subject: DAT Taping Robyn's US Tour Does anyone know what the taping policy is for Robyn's upcoming US tour with Billy Bragg? From what I understand, Robyn has at least tolerated taping in the past, although his overzealous solicitors apparently feel differently. Does the fact that Robyn's on a "double bill", so to speak, change anything? Does Billy Bragg allow taping? Does Robyn ever inform the venues he performs at of his taping policy? I'd like to hear from any DAT tapers out there who plan on taping shows on the upcoming tour. I've been lending out my spare D7 and Core Sound mikes to people on the Sugar Digest (Bob Mould also allows taping) and would be willing to do the same if anyone on this list is interested in taping one of Robyn's upcoming shows. However, I could only cover a fraction of the shows this way, so I'd prefer to avoid lending my D7 to people in cities where someone else is already taping. David P.S. Does anybody know whether Robyn and Billy will definitely be performing at the Beacon on 11/15, or is that date still tentative? I think the Beacon's a little too big for them, plus Big Star is performing the same night at Tramps. I'd rather see them perform two nights at Irving Plaza. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 09:45:51 -0500 From: Brandt Subject: Re: Robyn Bob & Albert Tree Bayard wrote: > oh, it must be Hal who volunteered! > so John, (crackity) please collaborate with hal on this, > everyone else email hal with your details on where you re and what you can > do. > > Thanks so much for helping me beat the boots! OK, Bayard...I'm happy to do it. Anyone that wants a copy, put Robyn, Bob & Albert in the Subject header and let me know these things: Name: Email: Snail Mail: If you want to be a branch...also tell me what format: DAT? DAT to ANALOG? ANALOG to ANALOG? and rate your dubbing equipment 1-5 (5 being best...please note dual well decks) I am DAT-less, so DAT volunteers are essential (especially kind DAT to ANALOG folks!!) I'll supply the analog branches from bayards analog seed, so send me your trade lists!! (I'm looking for HQ Robyn,Dead,Zappa) Blanks/postage will work also, but let's try to share tunes! If you just want to be a leaf, you can work out a deal with your branch as soon as the tree is organized and posted! Questions? Just ask! BEAT THE BOOTS!! And...thanks, Robyn, for playing!! hal hbrandt@centralnet.net ------------------------------ From: TPJSHEDS@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 11:10:09 -0400 Subject: Robyn and Graham >A (sort of) friend reports having seen Robyn do a live show the day after >Graham Chapman died. Robyn mentioned his sadness and said that there were >only two groups he really felt he could fit into, or had ever wanted to be >in: The Beatles and Monty Python. I don't remember for certain, but I >believe he supposedly followed the speech with a cover of one of those Python >musical numbers-- don't remember which one, or it this is in fact what >supposedly happened (any tapers know? Probably LA or SF show). So yeah, >definitely a major fan. Kind-a. October 4th 1989, Slims. SF, CA But the cover was "More Than This." During the last chorus Robyn sang, "...More than this, Graham, tell me one thing." Proper touching-like, it was. -Tim. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 11:53:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: DAT Taping Robyn On Sat, 21 Sep 1996 born2run@pipeline.com wrote: > Does anyone know what the taping policy is for Robyn's upcoming US tour > with Billy Bragg? Both are taper-tolerant, I'm pretty sure. Regarding soundboard access, A Source Close to Robyn says he "likes to be asked". He traditionally has not notified the soundperson ahead of time, which caused me frustration in hoboken last year. > I'd like to hear from any DAT tapers out there who plan on taping shows on > the upcoming tour. Same here. Let's get them all! (: bayard ps. i'm told Robyn has a D7 and has been taping his shows, so bring connectors to "patch out" of Robyn's deck. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .