From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #184 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 184 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Filth Bill's a bloke! clickquot Re: CLICQUOT re: bill's a bloke / fka: robyn *billy bragg* hitchcock Re: CLICQUOT Re: Tour dates/venues .. help! I always heard it as (was Re: CLIQOUT Re: The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind What did you say? Re: Newer and even bluer Meanies in the vicinity of this Feglist Re: The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind Re: Emily Dickinson on RH Re: new boot CD Robyn & Michael More highfalutin' art shit... Re: What did you say? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:38:18 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Filth LORDK@library.phila.gov rapped: >>As Ovid said " All things are dirty to the dirty-minded". and Glen reaped: >Someone must have described me to Ovid. > >--Glen "A dirty mind is a terrible thing to waste" well, you know what they say: A filthy mind is a happy mind... James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:42:49 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Bill's a bloke! >not only am i infatuated with robyn's new egg, but billy's is quite nice. >unfortunately, to continue in my recent trend to juxtapose EVERYTHING with >english romanticism, billy's record is titled "William Blake." >uh...huuuhhh. > >anybody else digging this, or do i just not know where it's at? close, but no banana. It's William *Bloke*, although the nod to Blake is not accidental (as you can imagine, for someone who prosyletised (sp?) Blake on his "Internationale" mini-album. Nice play on words, actually - William Blake, the idealist socialist visionary, and Billy, yer average Bloke. James yes again (sorry, I'll shut up now) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 20:52:41 -0500 From: "T.L.R. III" Subject: clickquot this tom opines, w/ corrections in **'s: she was *tapering* to a point in corona of foam i had one chance to stop her eggs pronounced 'eggs' or 'brad'--maybe, i thought *"bride"* although inches from her column, i started falling out dover, get undressed this car *is* parked on *(a)* sponge *uh, mine is a* persuasive place especially when it's dark she un--corked herself teeth spilling from her nostrils her handle *inflated to* fill my hand--just so! on her *breast pocket* she wore a *fish named angela* (angelo?) of which i have the duplicate, eric btw, any info on the philly gig would be much appreciated!!. . . . .tom * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * "questions are a burden for others. addresses: * * answers are a prison for oneself." small documents: tlr121@psuvm.psu.edu * * --village sign large documents: tom@tlr121.rh.psu.edu* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Thu, 19 Sep 96 22:06:44 EDT Subject: Re: CLICQUOT Did you miss out on our "Veuve Cliquot" thread a few months back? You know, Ken, I could never make out what he was saying in that first verse! It sort of makes sense when you consider how they get the yeast out of champagne. There's 2 methods of which I know: Allow the champagne to ferment in the bottles, which are upside down, until the yeast settles into the neck of the bottle, until the carbonation builds up, then 1) freeze the neck portion of the bottles, uncork them and pull out the frozen "plug" of yeast and champagne. or 2) hold the still upside-down bottle under water and remove the cork ever so slightly, which allows the pressure built up inside the bottle to squirt out a bit of the champagne (and the yeast with it). A corona of foam! yup. Ken wrote (indented text is as I hear it): > > > she's certainly clickot she's certainly cool > > she was taken to a point in corona of foam > i had one chance to stop her eggs > pronounced 'eggs' or 'brad' > although inches from her column, i started falling out > > dover, get undressed this car's parked on sponge > a mind's a persuasive place a mind is a persuasive place (nitpicking again!) > especially when it's dark > > she uncorked herself > teeth spilling from her nostrils > her handle inflect fill my hand just so her handle inflated to fill my hand just so > > in her breasts' cup she wore and in her breast pocket she wore > a fishlength angela a fish named angela > of which i have a duplicate > eric > > ken -- Ross Overbury "La Mort avant la figure ASCII souriante!" Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ From: "jeffery j vaska" Subject: re: bill's a bloke / fka: robyn *billy bragg* hitchcock Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:10:27 -0700 >so says James Dignan... >close, but no banana. It's William *Bloke*, although the nod to Blake is >not accidental (as you can imagine, for someone who prosyletised (sp?) >Blake on his "Internationale" mini-album. Nice play on words, actually - >William Blake, the idealist socialist visionary, and Billy, yer average >Bloke. >James yes again (sorry, I'll shut up now) oh sh!t!! james you are right. imagine that i am intrusted with the livelihood of good, forward minded music at my school. i can't even see what's on the cover (that's what happens when you listen to about 25 new cd's a week). you are 100% correct, and i am boob (no harm intended - haha!). anyways, no, no, i think i'll shut up now - now that i have been engulfed in a turner-like cloud of embarassment. to quote blake (bloke), "what a dork!" ta-ra!...jv ____________________________________________________________ ethnic/world music director, kzuu 90.7 fm @ washington state university u.s. correspondent, brasil 2000 103.7 fm - sao paolo, brasil vaska, jeffery | jvaska@mail.wsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 19:32:17 -0700 From: Ryan Godfrey Subject: Re: CLICQUOT The Kenster opined: >veuve clicquot, an independent woman who, at the beginning of the >nineteenth century, made her contribution to the refinement of champagne >production by inventing a method of removing sediment without losing >sparkle. old-fashioned in the maturity of its texture aned substance, her >fine champagne is still the best. > - a footnote i found somewhere After all these years, this song finally makes a minimal amount of sense to me. It's about drunken debauchery all right, but nobody is being debauched but the narrator. "She" seems to be a bottle of champagne. > ANYWAY, here's my take at the lyrics: >she's certainly clickot she's certainly cool >she was taken to a point in corona of foam I hear "tapering to a point," but either way, the point seems to be the rim of the newly opened bottle, crowned with foam. >i had one chance to stop her eggs >pronounced 'eggs' or 'brad' Maybe the eggs are bubbles (or an accompanying portion of caviar). >although inches from her column, i started falling out I'm not even touching the bottle; how can I be getting enebertated? >dover, get undressed this car's parked on sponge This locale is becoming somewhat less than stable--maybe nudity will help matters. >a mind's a persuasive place >especially when it's dark Yeah, nudity's gotta work! >she uncorked herself >teeth spilling from her nostrils >her handle inflect fill my hand just so Maybe "her handle inflated to fill my hand just so." This must be bottle two of la grande dame. >in her breasts' cup she wore >a fishlength angela >of which i have a duplicate >eric I hear: In her breast pocket she wore A fish called Angela Of which I have the duplicate Eric Neither interpretation seems to add much to the champagne metaphor, but I confess to having had similar visions after consulting the bubbly stuff. In vino, vegitas. >i'd like to have a fish licence. I've always thought of this song as Pythonesque. The fish called Eric, "pronounced 'eggs' or 'Brad'"--might as well say "pronounced 'Luxury Yacht' or 'Throat Warbler Mangrove'", except it doesn't scan as well. Does RH have connections to the Circus boys, or is he just a fan like the rest of us? --Ryan ---------------------------- | Sig transit gloria mundi | ---------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 01:11:52 -0500 From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John, Jacci, & Madison) Subject: Re: Tour dates/venues .. help! >jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John, Jacci, & Madison) once said: > >>Billy Bragg & Robyn Hitchcock North American Tour, Oct-Nov 1996 >> >>OCTOBER >>24 Montreal,QUEBEC; CANADA Club Soda >> > >I'm confused. This is supposed to be the first date of the tour, and >Club Soda still says they "have no information on that show". Yet the >tickets for the 2nd date are already on sale. I'm getting discouraged. >Club Soda is starting to answer their phone by saying "Hi Ross"! >Could the fine folks who posted the original schedule re-check their >source to find out if Robyn's cut Montreal out of the tour or changed >venues? Ross- The info was forwarded to me from a friend who is a member of the Billy Bragg mailing list. The info (I assume) was taken from there. John (who posts WAY more than either Jacci or Madison) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 01:16:43 -0500 From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John, Jacci, & Madison) Subject: I always heard it as (was Re: CLIQOUT > ANYWAY, here's my take at the lyrics: > > >she's certainly clickot she's certainly cool > >she was taken to a point in corona of foam >i had one chance to stop her eggs >pronounced 'eggs' or 'brad' mine: pronounced 'eggs au brad' >she uncorked herself >teeth spilling from her nostrils >her handle inflect fill my hand just so mine: her handle inflated to fill my hand just so. >in her breasts' cup she wore >a fishlength angela >of which i have a duplicate >eric mine: a fish named angela either one (fishlength or fish named) would be a good Robyn bootleg title. John ------------------------------ From: headfx@ix.netcom.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 04:16:58 -0400 Subject: Re: The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind Brian Huddell wrote: > Thanks for the public spanking. Why did you pick my post, the third > in the thread? Why did you leave out the scrap of irony appended > thusly: > > > (finally a thread I can feel good about; lets hope it lasts a long time) > > Why is it so important to you to assert your superiority in front of > hundreds of people? Did you really think there was the slightest > possibility that anyone was unaware of the childishness of our "fart" > thread? Do you really think you've instructed anyone today? Are you > actually satisfied that now, thanks to you, the community has learned that > fart jokes are not, in fact, proper for public consumption? Do you > understand the origins of the thread, how, even without my ironic > parenthetical, it's a response in kind to a ridiculous statement made by a > critic about RH? > > Perhaps I need to grow up, for participating in a silly thread. But > you, hal, need far more grave correction. You're a clown, hal, a > buffoon on a twisted, pathetic mission: not simply to clean up the > world to your specifications but most importantly, to make damned > sure everybody knows about your efforts. As you bask in the glory, > as you collect the applause from far and near, congratulating you on > the fact that you, hal, are most certainly NOT the sort of person > who would make a fart joke, please pause for a moment to reflect > upon my role in your newfound status. For you see, hal, without me, > there would be no you. I think you'd do well to thank your personal > deity for creating people like me so that you get to be a person like > you. I think I'm going to cry. > > Love, > Brian ...at least not yet... -Ner ------------------------------ From: Stanley Moon Subject: What did you say? Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 22:33:37 -0700 fegs, All this talk about the misunderstood lyrics of 'Certainly Clickot' has prompted me to reveal some of the more absurd things I've heard in Robyn's songs. 1. From 'Queen of Eyes': "Here I am again, it's no surprise/Knocking on the ground, the Queen of Eyes..." 2. From 'Serpent At The Gates Of Wisdom': "Serpent at the gates of wisdom/Like a purple scum/Leering at me 'round the dashboard/As I reach my cup..." I also heard it as, "As I reached my comb..." 3. From 'Vegetation And Dimes': "Call 1-800-BELIEVER, ask for Dean..." 4. I still don't know if it's "dodgy" or "touchy" in 'Sounds Great When You're Dead'. 5. Of course, I'm certain it's "Mucky the pig". And "Function with a bass". 6. From 'Clean Steve': "Clean Steve, clean Steve/They don't come any dirtier than thee..." 7. What is the word that precedes "Overweight, sexist media" in 'Uncorrected Personality Traits'? 8. From 'Somewhere Apart': "Oh shit! Your bags! Here comes the mule..." That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Anyone else wish to share any other misheard lyrics? Tracy? Goodnight I Say ;) --g ########################################################## "All things are dirty to the dirty-minded." --Ovid ########################################################## # Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ # ########################################################## ------------------------------ From: headfx@ix.netcom.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 04:29:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Newer and even bluer Meanies in the vicinity of this Feglist Truman Peyote wrote: > (really rancorous stuff from Hal and Brian deleted) > > No, that isn't it. > (ok, what I have to say may be interpreted as preachy- just a warning- but > bear in mind the expression "In my HUMBLE opinion", with humble being the > operative word) > I know that Hal slammed you publically (it really should have been done > off-list, if it had to be done at all), and a bit unfairly, but that > doesn't mean you necessarily need to defend your honor in front of everyone > on the list just because of that. I mean really, what do all of these > flying torches accomplish? No matter what you say or how well you say it, > the net outcome will be the same- some will agree with you, some with Hal, > some will think you're both at fault, and some will merely wish we could go > back to talking about the sax playing on "Duke of Squeeze" and other > assorted fegiana :). But I'd bet my copy of the Glass Fish "E of L" that > nobody's opinion is going to be fundamentally changed by all this flying > acrimony :). > > Brian again: > >you, hal, need far more grave correction. You're a clown, hal, a > >buffoon on a twisted, pathetic mission: not simply to clean up the > >world to your specifications but most importantly, to make damned > >sure everybody knows about your efforts. > > I mean really, this is just a bit harsh. Perhaps what Hal was reacting to > was not so much your post or even the thread itself, but a general trend > towards antideluvian humor that has been rearing its ugly head around here > in recent times (of which that thread was by FAR the most innocuous sample > IMHO) - your post just happened to perhaps be the one that he was looking > at as this occurred to him, and so it was rightly or wrongly the one he > responded to. I say this because this trend has been bothering me as well, > although I have not posted about it publically, wishing generally to stay > out of flame trajectories, although most likely I'm for it now. > > Susan Hello - What? -Ner ------------------------------ From: headfx@ix.netcom.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 04:39:24 -0400 Subject: Re: The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com wrote: > > Come on guys, lets live a little. I don't think anyone really, for > one minute, wants to see Bob Dylan light his own farts. Brian Wilson, > however......... I wish I could light Brian Wilson's farts. Oh wait, I think 'farts' should be capitalized as in 'Farts' when associated with Brian Wilson. -Ner ------------------------------ From: headfx@ix.netcom.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 04:43:39 -0400 Subject: Re: Emily Dickinson on RH Tracy Aileen Copeland wrote: > > If Emily Dickinson and Robyn Hitchcock got in a fight, who do you > think would win? I think Robyn would probably win in the end due to his weight advantage. Emily could be a tough little scrapper in a street fight, I bet. Robyn would be wise not to underestimate her. -Ner ------------------------------ From: headfx@ix.netcom.com Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 04:59:59 -0400 Subject: Re: new boot CD Truman Peyote wrote: > > >Fegs, > > > >The latest issue of ICE CD newsletter mentions a new Robyn Hitchcock boot > >of his May 27th performance this year in London. It features numerous > >Dylan covers. It is called Rob, Bob and Albert. If anyone knows where to > >obtain this CD I would appreciate the information. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Michael Oh this sounds like a real treasure. How can I get my hands on a copy of this??? -Ner ------------------------------ From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 04:29:25 -0400 Subject: Robyn & Michael I see an interesting pattern. I used to be a huge REM fan, long before the Robyn days, and I sense that quite a few others were too. But I just got bored. I had to move on. Stipe is not Robyn. 1) Robyn has a real sense of humor. He's one of the few performers who I find laugh-out-loud-funny. He usually succeeds when he tries to be clever. Stipe's idea of clever is "bandwagon" or "pop song 89". IMO, when Stipe tries to be witty, he fails. What's the frequency...? 2) I usually find Robyn's imagery very evocative. The slow divorce/ride a horse line for me was never a throwaway. To ride a horse is a means of departure. But isn't there something charming about a terrible rhyme anyway? Doesn't he rhyme "see um" with "museum"? Stipe wouldn't have the guts to do this. Stipe's has become totally glib. He has his beautiful moments, but those other times... He's just too cool. Out there with no backbone. New test leper? whatever. Aluminum DOES NOT taste like fear, but it sure sound deep, doesn't it? In Mr Glib's own words: "I don't get it" Blatzman (Blatz is the king of beers. Valentin Blatz started his brewery back in 1851, in Old Milwaukee. The pretty lady on the cover of the carton was his daughter, Valerie Blatz. Bless her.) ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 05:47:52 -0400 Subject: More highfalutin' art shit... I: "Clickot" lyrics: "she uncorked herself teeth spilling from her nostrils her handle inflect fill my hand just so" Think it's "inflate"... "in her breasts' cup she wore" Think it's breast "pocket". "a fishlength angela" Think it's "fish named Angela". And for the last time, does ANYONE besides me hear Robyn (or someone" saying "Clickot!" twice in the studio chatter at the end of "Song No. 4"?!?!? II: Jeffry sez: "billy (bragg)'s is quite nice. unfortunately, to continue in my recent trend to juxtapose EVERYTHING with english romanticism, billy's record is titled "William Blake." uh...huuuhhh." Actually, it's the punnier "William Bloke", although many press sources have made the same error. But the synchronicity still holds. III: Peter Says: "All Los Angeles Fegs!!! The Robyn/Billy Bragg tickets for November 10th at the El Rey went on sale today. The place only seats about 400." Seats? Only show I've seen there was general admission, standing. Who'd you see there? Tour time brings with it my habitual invitation to meet up before the show, down the pub. Blatzman and I will be there. Any takers? IV: Susan, precious Susan, for whom hallways and staircases everyday I climb to go out to my whitewalled room out on the edge of time, says: "I think ("SYTYIL:" described in the "Can of Bees" liner notes is the same as the "PI" track) actually. Because didn't Robyn once make some comment about feeling that it was somehow too warm and fuzzy to be quite right for the SBs, and that that was the reason it was not recorded with them? Perhaps it's just my poor befuddled brain, but it seems to me that I remember reading something like that once somewhere (ooooh! so SPECIFIC :))." It's in the liner notes themselves, Love. He sez it was "too folk-rock for 1978". But I kinda wonder when those notes were written-- they're not on my vinyl copy, but my pre-Ryko Two Crabs CD reissue, which DOES have 'em, bears a release date of 1990, just prior to "PI"... could be a title vintage '90, song vintage '91? V: The Art and Painting Thing: (me and then, not surprisingly, Susan again:) " >one might even describe his more brutally biological explosions of gristle as >a little bit Bacon-esque (think "Can of Bees")." "Yes. I think mostly what fits here is the darker SBs stuff like "Pigworker" and such (Can of Bees, basically, as you said), although "Agony of Pleasure" kind of has this feeling about it too." Almost mentioned "Agony" here. Bet you're shocked. How 'bout "Devil Mask" and "Tropical Flesh"? (rejection of Matisse parallel deleted) I was kind of blowing off content altogether here and referring to Robyn's painting pallette and technique, which looks a little creamy and post-fauvy to me. Hence Matisse. The always-resourceful James Dignan brings up the subject of "Robyn: Modernist or Post-Modernist?" Don't get me started-- I warn you. I think Robyn is archly modernist, and a lot of his subject matter derives from his perplexed vantage point on the post-modern world. His "sampling" -type references (James astutely pegs several) are alway witty and knowing in a very modernist way. I think there are only two types of post-modern pop-musicians: 1) Truly impish, sample-happy appropriationists-- techno, hip-hop and their respective descendants on a good day, and... 2) Ripoff artists who get away with it, no matter how far short of the mark they fall. Two words: Gallagher, Corgan. Robyn has a foot in the pre-modern world of folk tradition, lives in the modernist world, and stares the postmodern morass square in the face. I think that may be why he rules with mocking disdain over all. VI: Tom Says: "Susan and Rex have been making us all sick with stuff like: >>Susan, who is a certified genius and really pretty, too, > >Why thank you. You're pretty scrummy yourself, you know :). > Geez, get a room already!! -tom "blissfully living the married life and jealous of you wacky kids"" I'm afraid this kind of thing is only going to get worse... isn't it, Dear? See you in November, Rex PS: REM dept.: Glen says: "I must admit (even though it was I who originally said I don't like REM) I love the electric guitar on this song. When Peter Buck comes in with those six descending notes about halfway into the song, it makes me feel tingly in all the right places. The fat tone he manages to squeeze out of the guitar on that song is reminiscent of Brian May. That part always blows my mind. The strings (courtesy John Paul Jones) are pretty good, too." Aaarrgh!!! You've managed to laud one of my favorite bands, and not a bad tune, by evoking two of the bands I despise perhaps more than any others ever! Brian MAY? The highfalutin' asshole wanker from Juliard? Peter Buck? Gut-level god of unpretentious guitar (Kay's got his number...)? Peter would probably cringe only SLIGHTLY less at the comparison that I do... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 04:49:52 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: Re: What did you say? On Thu, 19 Sep 1996, Stanley Moon subtly referred to my years-ago humiliation on this list by writing: > That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Anyone else wish to share > any other misheard lyrics? Tracy? > > Goodnight I Say ;) When I was transcribing the _Fegmania!_ lyrics, I not only heard "My dear friend Bradley has died of a cyst" as "done an assist," I posted same to the list looking for the rhyming phrase (which turned out to be "Honiton Clyst"). (I got more mail about this than about anything I've ever posted anywhere.) This might be because I live in such a basketball-mad state, but I never watch the stuff, so who knows. And I listened to it again the other night and *still* hear it the other way. I think I have a defective pressing. > 7. What is the word that precedes "Overweight, sexist media" in 'Uncorrected > Personality Traits'? > "Mother-fixated," I think. Tracy T.S. I know some people love basketball, but not me. When they invent a sport in which grown men run up and down a hardwood court trying to stuff bread into toasters, I'll watch *that*. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .