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Re: De Chiciro Lighting De Chirico's Filthy Bird-Farts RE: Lighting De Chirico's Filthy Bird-Farts Re: The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind Re: Lighting De Chirico's Filthy Bird-Farts CRD REQUEST mailbag Newer and even bluer Meanies in the vicinity of this Feglist Re: mailbag That's Not Me ------------------------------ Subject: Octopus cover Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 23:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Daniel Saunders" > He's also done > Astronomy Domine (w/ Soft Boys) > Wolfpack (w/ Egyptians) > Gigolo Aunt > Dark Globe > Octopus > > Personally, I'd've loved to have had the Egyptians (with Roger) cover > "Love You", but that didn't happen. > > Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks > normal@grove.ufl.edu I'd *really* love to hear his version of Octopus, which is Syd Barrett's best solo song in my opinion: Trip, trip to a dream dragon Hide your wings in a ghost tower Sails crackling with every plate we break Was scratched by scattered needles The little mini gong coughs and clears his throat Madam you see before you stand Hey ho, never be still The old original favourite grand Grasshopper's green Herbarian band And the tune they play is "In us Confide"... What the heck is a Herbarian anyway? Is it some sort of vegetarian sub-cult? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:56:32 -0500 (CDT) From: sdodge@inforel.com (Truman Peyote) Subject: Re: De Chiciro >But that's not the reason for this post. I thought stateside fegdom might >be interested in a New York Times article from 13 Sep on the surrealist >artist Angelo de Chirico, Um, hate to be pretentious, but isn't it Giorgio de Chirico? > whose work I highly recommend. No argument there. >He has an >exhibition at Hunter College these days, and the article is a servicable bio >and intro to his great influence. Some of his images may be hauntingly >familiar to anybody who spends a lot of time staring at Robyn covers. >(Technically, he's a Metaphysicist painter, but the Surrealists held him up >as a precursor of their work. I only point this out to placate any Art >Historians out there, who's flames tend to be brutal and merciless.) Hmmmm....... Robyn always seemed more Magritte to me :). DeChirico is a bit too stark and somber. What do you fellow fegs think? Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 23:23:28 -0700 From: gondola@deltanet.com (E.B.) Subject: Re: Rain Parade >From: M R Godwin > >They then signed to Island, who rush-released: >"Beyond The Sunset (1985), a weedy and uninspired live album recorded in >Japan. With only a couple of decent new songs to recommend it, there was >an all-too-obvious odour of hasty cash-in. This was on the independent Restless label, not Island. I don't think the cash-in theory really pans out, sorry. I have all the Rain Parade releases (even the above, which ain't easy to find), but I'm not sure the records have aged very well. The best is certainly Emergency Third Rail Power Trip, but even there, I prefer either Mazzy Star album. Oh well...there was a time when "This Can't Be Today" sent me into seventh Heaven.... :) I do agree with the above indifferent opinion of Beyond The Sunset. Eb ------------------------------ From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 03:30:00 -0400 Subject: You Filthy Bird, You I was quite surprised when an interviewer remarked that the filthy bird line "evokes pathetic images of oil-drowned seagulls on the coast of Alaska." I was pretty surprised by this interpretation. To me, I hear just the opposite. Filthy as opposed to clean and tended to inside a cage. A bird in the wild, happily covered in mud. I thought it was a song about freedom. The price of freedom... It really gave me the chills, and I'd say really nice things about this song, but I fear being called a hypocrite. Oh what the hell, this song blows my mind, AND YOU MR BLATZMAN ARE A HYPOCRITE. There, I beat you to it Bayard ;-) Blatzman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 00:51:00 -0700 From: Ryan Godfrey Subject: The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind Jonathan Turner wrote: >*WARNING* if offended by the Independent on Sunday review, don't even start to >read this one... >Robyn Hitchcock >London, The 12 Bar Club > >It's all in the trousers... Blah blah blah, bad RH review blah blah... >In short, I'd rather see Bob Dylan light his own farts. > >David Keenan >Melody Maker, 14/9/96 As much as I love Mr. Hitchcock and his music: If I had a choice between front row seats at an RH show, and front row seats--no, make that fourth row seats (safety first!)--to watch Bob Dylan shoot fire out of his butt, I think I'd have to go with Dylan for the sake of posterity (posteriority?). I mean, I've seen Robyn several times in concert already. How could I turn down the opportunity to tell my children: "D'ya hear about the concert where Dylan lit his own farts? I was there, man. He blew me away!" In short, I'd rather see Bob Dylan light his own farts too. (Maybe we could have a poll.) --Ryan ------------------------------ From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 09:13:22 +0100 Subject: This, that and the other Item Subject: cc:Mail Text Well Guys, Guyesses and Librarians, The response hasn't been that good on my Nigel & The Crosses inquiries has it? You know what I'm talking about 'cos it was you who didn't answer. Yes you! Let's assume no-one else is going to do it and tell me all you know. Another inquiry (if you can be bothered). I recognised about half a dozen covers on Uncarved Pumpkins and about the same amount of RH titles. Does anyone know the origins of the other tracks (you can miss out VCR services if you like). I especially want to hear originals of Lobsterman and You've Got. Hamish (waiting on that call) P.S.'s Susan, I always thought BIGNOSE was a good song writer until I heard that one about the girl in the lift (elevator) he released a few years ago. And 'beat combo' thing has no effect on me the night after playing Heaven, so yah boo sucks to you. (My wings are like a shield of steel.) Mike, I presume you have a copy of Vegetable Man in some form. I have a vinyl bootleg with VM, and I'm sure it's a proper studio release. I will check if I remember. To the guy who asked about Kula Shaker, if the song you were asking about wasn't Tatva then it is probably the one that will be the next single (according to Mark Radcliffe of Radio 1). It is sung in something Eastern (shows extensive cross-cultural knowledge), but then again it could be in Gaelic for all I know. BTW I'm 15 years away from being 15 and I like 'em. At least you couldn't call them BritPop. (Could you?) ------------------------------ From: avarice@getnet.com (Christopher Donnell) Subject: The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 08:19:22 GMT >already. How could I turn down the opportunity to tell my children: >"D'ya hear about the concert where Dylan lit his own farts? I was there, >man. He blew me away!" > >In short, I'd rather see Bob Dylan light his own farts too. >(Maybe we could have a poll.) Yeah, but can he still fart like he did in the old days? -Qrys ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 03:32:44 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: Re: You Filthy Bird, You On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > I was quite surprised when an interviewer remarked that the filthy bird line > "evokes pathetic images of oil-drowned seagulls on the coast of Alaska." > > I was pretty surprised by this interpretation. To me, I hear just the > opposite. Filthy as opposed to clean and tended to inside a cage. A bird in > the wild, happily covered in mud. I thought it was a song about freedom. The > price of freedom... This song reminds me of the signs you see all over London .... "Pigeons are vermin and carry diseases. Please don't feed them" (or something along those lines). So a well-fed happy bird = a filthy bird Tracy "three guesses what I feed the birds, hey, what are you going to do with your other two guesses" Copeland ------------------------------ From: NJARMAN@frmail.rosemount.com Subject: test message Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 04:13:01 -0500 To: Open Addressing at Xmail Ok thats it. I simply must have a copy of the Queen Elvis CD now. I've been trying to convince myself I don't, but I do. I have never seen this album in the UK. Never ever. Was it released here? Does anybody out their want to volunteer to find me a cheep copy and post it to me. I'll organise a money order or trade or something... Cheers, Nigel Jarman P.S. As far as sig files go. My only email is through work. Our corporate system is Lotus cc:mail, which in my opinion sucks. As a consequence I only ever get email from NOPROP.????? where ????? is only a small part of the users address. So I can never just reply. Unless people put their email address into their message I have no clue where the mail came from. Am I the only person with this problem? Please can list members who want replies put their email address into their message. Also because cc:Mail sucks I can't use a sig file, well not automatically anyway :( ------------------------------ From: HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 10:09:24 +0100 Subject: Re: The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind Item Subject: cc:Mail Text >>already. How could I turn down the opportunity to tell my children: >>"D'ya hear about the concert where Dylan lit his own farts? I was >>there, man. He blew me away!" >>In short, I'd rather see Bob Dylan light his own farts too. >>(Maybe we could have a poll.) >Yeah, but can he still fart like he did in the old days? >-Qrys I liked his early acoustic farts. I think he sold out when he started to use amplification. I hear that he has started synthesising them recently. Now he only mimes. Hamish (still waiting) P.S. Check out "Chuffing It All Back Home" and "The Free-Tootin' Bob Dylan" for that original sound. You can tell it's not his mouth he uses on the harmonica. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:18:02 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Rain Parade On Mon, 16 Sep 1996, E.B. wrote: > >They then signed to Island, who rush-released: > >"Beyond The Sunset (1985), > > This was on the independent Restless label, not Island. I don't think the > cash-in theory really pans out, sorry. This info (including 'cash-in theory' was culled from the Rough Guide to Rock, which is probably UK-based. I expect it was on Island in the UK. Data source: http://www.roughguides.com/Rock/index.html Incidentally, I don't really subscribe to the idea that Rain Parade fell apart when David Roback left: I would rate both 'Glass Palace' and 'Crashing Dream' above 'Emergency Third Rail Power Trip'. Cheers - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ From: firstcat@lsli.com Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 09:55:26 Subject: RE: blech to rem --- On Mon, 16 Sep 1996 14:23:54 -0700 (PDT) cookie wrote: > putney swope was wondering if he is the only one who isn't gaga about >REM, or as i like to call them, the Sellouts. Life's Rich Pagent was >the last decent thing they put out-from then on, i think they saw the $ >and dove for it. i mean, if you can't remember your OWN words to songs, >and require the words in front of you, don't you think that there's >something wrong? OK, yea yea old REM is better than new REM, yada yada yada, but you cant fault some one for taking the money...someone waves that much money in front of most people and say hey guys you getta be rock n roll stars they take it...the problem with REM is not that they "sold out" but they became "REM" and quit really being inovative on this last album....if ya have the last three REM albums you've already heard this one... ....and to quote RH at his Houston show..."yeah, I know I wrote it but I don't know it anymore" Cheers Jay ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall Channel Sales Director Livermore Software Laboratories, Intl. 2825 Wilcrest, Suite 160 Houston, Texas 77042-3358 1-713-974-3274 jay@lsli.com Date: 9/17/96 "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals; I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." --A. Whitney Brown ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "jeffery j vaska" Subject: re: you filthy bird, you Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 02:31:16 -0700 >blatzman says so... >I was quite surprised when an interviewer remarked that the filthy bird line >"evokes pathetic images of oil-drowned seagulls on the coast of Alaska." >I was pretty surprised by this interpretation. To me, I hear just the >opposite. Filthy as opposed to clean and tended to inside a cage. A bird in >the wild, happily covered in mud. I thought it was a song about freedom. no way, i would guess that you are much closer to what robyn is singing about, than the interviewer. i keep coming around and equating robyn with those english romantics (blake, shelley, wordsworth, etc. - you know em!). anyways, blake, in his "marriage of heaven and hell" winds up equating himself, and the imagination (very important concept for the romantics) with the devil. blake definitely was way out there on the shock scale (howard stern is drool compared to the puss that blake was). expressing the imagination was much more important than showing up for church/brainwashing sessions. the bird, as i am trying to explain, is in some way a symbol for the imagination. of course the bird/imagination gets dirty when it is being expressed - as it should. also, when robyn is singing about how we are all watching massacres on cable, perhaps he is pointing out that it would be much more humane to view them in the flesh. watching a massacre on cable is quite inhumane and definitely lacking in imagination (tv in general is this way). and, isn't it pretty common imagery in many world mythologies for the mind/imagination to be expressed with an image of a bird standing on somebody's head? well, this is all blandly academic - i've been reading too much lately... ps: i recommend all fegs to go out and read blake's "marriage of heaven and hell" and probably ezekiel from the bible. they were both quite interested in shaking things up with AMAZING imagery. they are short reads as well. ____________________________________________________________ ethnic/world music director, kzuu 90.7 fm @ washington state university u.s. correspondent, brasil 2000 103.7 fm - sao paolo, brasil vaska, jeffery | jvaska@mail.wsu.edu ------------------------------ From: "Brian Huddell" Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:27:07 +0000 Subject: Re: The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind Ryan says: > In short, I'd rather see Bob Dylan light his own farts too. > (Maybe we could have a poll.) I for one would rather see Robyn light Bob Dylan's farts. (finally a thread I can feel good about; lets hope it lasts a long time) -brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:37:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: You Filthy Bird, You On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > price of freedom... It really gave me the chills, and I'd say really nice > things about this song, but I fear being called a hypocrite. > > Oh what the hell, this song blows my mind, AND YOU MR BLATZMAN ARE A > HYPOCRITE. hey, who says you can't like a song on an album you otherwise don't? Not me. I like OLPoE, and Ride, and um, Wafflehead... no shouting from me this time. -mr relaxed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:09:54 -0500 From: Brandt Subject: Re: The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind Brian Huddell wrote: > I for one would rather see Robyn light Bob Dylan's farts. If you are wondering why Robyn himself doesn't participate in our little gathering here...this quoted post might be some indication. Grow up. hal ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 12:16:17 EDT Subject: Re: you filthy bird, you I must confess my profound ignorance in poetry (although I intend to work on that) but I don't read anything about freedom into "Filthy Bird". What I get is this: verse 1 - Robyn's looking up and contemplating the sky verse 2 - a seagull craps on Robyn, reminds him of a bomber verse 3 - German bombers set sights on innocents bridge - slow motion video of shrapnel hitting his/our persona projected into a bombing scene. He/we fall face first into the hard ground. verse 4 - isn't it interesting how we can distance ourselves from violence? And isn't this an act of complicity? Am I over simplifying? I honestly don't believe it is or has to be any bigger than that. Poetry buffs please respond. PS: if I'm more or less right, I bet he was thinking "a filthy bird is a happy bird" (some killers love their work), then changed it so the sounds flow better. The filthy isn't "gloriously dirty", it's "damned filthy killers". -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 10:15:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: You Filthy Bird, You sayeth the Blatzman: >I was quite surprised when an interviewer remarked that the filthy bird >line >"evokes pathetic images of oil-drowned seagulls on the coast of Alaska." yeah, between you and me I think she really missed the mark there. How would that make a bird happy? >I was pretty surprised by this interpretation. To me, I hear just the >opposite. Filthy as opposed to clean and tended to inside a cage. A bird >in >the wild, happily covered in mud. I thought it was a song about freedom. >The >price of freedom... It really gave me the chills, and I'd say really nice >things about this song, but I fear being called a hypocrite. oh yeah, you're the one who thinks the whole CD is a load of crap, aren't you! I always figured "bird" to be a metaphor for bombers, with the point of the song being virtually the same as XTC's "Generals and Majors" ("...always seem so unhappy unless they got a war"). I like your interpretation better, though I don't really know how the "massacre on cable" verse ties in. But then, I'm still trying to figure out why a home-brewing beer connoiseur would choose an internet name that reminds me of the most foul tasting swill I've ever sucked from a can. :) -rr ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 10:23:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Dylan's farts >In short, I'd rather see Bob Dylan light his own farts too. >(Maybe we could have a poll.) Do you have any idea how dificult that is to do with a guitar in your hand? I vote for the farts. ------------------------------ From: Willie The Weeper Subject: Octopi et herbaria Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:03:48 -0700 At 23:00 16.09.96 -0700, Daniel Saunders wrote: >Grasshopper's green Herbarian band > >What the heck is a Herbarian anyway? Is it some sort of vegetarian >sub-cult? > Could it be "herbarium" band? An herbarium is a sort of greenhouse for herbs. That would make some sense considering the context. Laterz, ########################################################## "A nickel's worth of grease and a dime's worth of lard I would buy more but the times are too hard There ain't no need for me to work so hard 'Cause I can live off the chickens in the neighbor's yard" --Jeff Hanna 'Mourning Blues' ########################################################## # Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ # ########################################################## ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Odds & Sods Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 10:16:24 -0700 From: Tom Clark Glen penned: >Am I the only feglister who isn't gaga over REM? I mean, I own _Life's Rich >Pageant_, _Murmur_ and _Document_, but don't really consider myself a true >fan. That may smack of blasphemy on this list -- I know there's a close >musical kinship between RH and REM -- but I just don't dig them the way I do >Robyn. Sometimes I feel as though I'm failing the musicl prerequisites of >this list by not even caring about what REM does. Any thoughts? Anyone else >share my feelings? I'm with you on that. I think my REM collection is the same as yours. I was really into them in the early days - hey I saw them open for the English Beat at some Hartford, CT. shithole in '82, aren't I cool? - but it just got to be too much of the same after a while. Individually I've got nothing against any of them (ok, I'd like to punch Stipe at times), put put 'em together and I'm snoozing. Robyn Content: If any Bay Area Homebrewing Fegs would like to get together and brew up some Elixir, lemme know. -tc ************************************* * Tom Clark * Apple Computer, Inc. * tclark@apple.com * tclark@netgate.net * http://www.netgate.net/~tclark ************************************* "Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!" "Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you getting the picture?" ------------------------------ From: NJARMAN@frmail.rosemount.com Subject: Greatest Hits (only on import) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:36:08 -0500 To: Open Addressing at Xmail I went down town today (Leicester, UK) to get a copy of Greatest Hits. I went to Rokaboom Records (Great independant place, usually has loads or RH stuff) They had never heard of it. They Checked Their A&M catalog - no mention of it. I told them I had got my info from the Internet, they said - "Oh it'll be an American Import then". Sure enough I wondered over to HMV they had it in the import section for 18.99 UK Pounds that's about $28.68 sheeeee! Anyway I asked them if they could punch up the details about the CD on their computer system. Sure enough they had only 1 copy in stock (Remember this is a huge mega store) But something caught my eye at the bottom of the screen - 15.99 Retail Price. After much arguing and bringing down of the manager etc. they agreed that the CD was marked up incorrectly and I got it at 15.99 UK pounds (Always argue about the price in big stores!!) After the recent concert in Leicester (Sept 6th) my girl friend (better half, significant other, Oh hell - Lynn! ) asked Robyn about the availibility of Mossy Liquor in the UK. He said that He didn't have any, Mrs WaffleHead didn't have any, and he didn't expect it would ever get released in the UK. "Your only hope is to get it on Import". From the man himself, you can't get a more reliable source. I am sick of Robyn Stuff only being released in the states, and having to pay for Import discs. The guy is English after all. Needless to say I still havent got a copy of Mossy Liquor and don't expect I ever will! Warner Brothers if you are listening to this list. Please recognise UK fegs, and give us the chance to buy these records at reasonable prices! Just had to get that of my chest - I feel better now. Cheers, Nigel Jarman ------------------------------ Subject: Re: it's alright, ma, I'm only sighing... Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 10:29:26 -0700 From: Tom Clark "Robyn's Nest" >In short, I'd rather see Bob Dylan light his own farts. > >David Keenan >Melody Maker, 14/9/96 Hey, who wouldn't? The great thing about this is that Robyn would then recreate it as a tribute. Perhaps Mr. Keenan would then write a favourable review. -tc ************************************* * Tom Clark * Apple Computer, Inc. * tclark@apple.com * tclark@netgate.net * http://www.netgate.net/~tclark ************************************* ------------------------------ Subject: Re: De Chiciro Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 10:51:14 -0700 From: Tom Clark "The Lobster Gang" >Hmmmm....... >Robyn always seemed more Magritte to me :). DeChirico is a bit too stark >and somber. >What do you fellow fegs think? > >Susan Sure thing. Until the DeChirico thing came about, I never really thought about why Robyn was my favorite musician and Magritte was my favorite painter. Robyn and Rene share a vision of the world which I think is summed up by the quote "A Sideways Glance In A Full-On World." -t "catching up on my emails" c ************************************* * Tom Clark * Apple Computer, Inc. "Do you really serve the Devil * tclark@apple.com If it's all God's plan? * tclark@netgate.net Good and evil need each other * www.netgate.net/~tclark Honey I'm your man" * -Robyn Hitchcock ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:10:33 -0500 (CDT) From: JH3 Subject: Lighting De Chirico's Filthy Bird-Farts Fegz: I don't think "Filthy Bird" is a paean to freedom or environmentalism either -- If you ask me, he's saying that a bird is only happy when it's dropping guano on your head, i.e., being filthy, which is Robyn's way of saying that it's an unpleasant world in which creatures of every variety are seemingly only happy when they're shitting on you. We like watching massacres on cable because it's somebody else being massacred, and that somehow makes us feel that we and our so-called civilized values are superior to the barbarism we see all around us. (I mean, who doesn't fancy a good massacre now and again?) Non-sequitur: Another thing about Giorgio de Chirico was that he was quite a religious fella, and wrote a little thingie called "The True Painter's Morning Prayer". I KID YOU NOT: O God, let my craft as a painter grow more and more perfect. Let me, O God, through the medium of paint - until the last day of my life - make great progress. Give me, O Lord, more intelligence, more strength, health and resoluteness - so that I may always improve my emulsions and mixtures of colours - that they may become ever more effective - that they may bestow upon my painting ever increasing transparency and density - still more splendour and fluidity. Finally, O Lord, help me and give me first and foremost the inspiration to resolve the material problems of my work as a painter - so that I may render to painting the lustre which, for mearly a century, it has lost. Help me, O God, to give back this lustre - by resolving material problems in paint - for by now the metaphysical and spiritual problems are taken care of by the critics and intellectuals. Amen! Kind of makes you wonder what the sanitation worker's morning prayer would sound like. Puts everything in perspective, doesn't it? Too much perspective if you ask me... --John "Magritte Is My Favorite Painter Too" Hedges PS: I think it would be awfully dangerous to attend a concert in which Bob Dylan's farts might be lit, don't you? I keep thinking of that incident during the filming of "Twilight Zone: The Movie" when Vic Morrow was burned to death by excessive flames caused by an overzealous director and overzealous special-effects men who, it was later found, had been lighting too many of Bob Dylan's farts. ------------------------------ From: firstcat@lsli.com Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 14:34:44 Subject: RE: Lighting De Chirico's Filthy Bird-Farts Are you sure its not about women into watersports and the like? Jay --- On Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:10:33 -0500 (CDT) JH3 wrote: >Fegz: > >I don't think "Filthy Bird" is a paean to freedom or environmentalism either >-- If you ask me, he's saying that a bird is only happy when it's dropping >guano on your head, i.e., being filthy, which is Robyn's way of saying that >it's an unpleasant world in which creatures of every variety are seemingly >only happy when they're shitting on you. > >We like watching massacres on cable because it's somebody else being >massacred, and that somehow makes us feel that we and our so-called >civilized values are superior to the barbarism we see all around us. (I >mean, who doesn't fancy a good massacre now and again?) ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall Channel Sales Director Livermore Software Laboratories, Intl. 2825 Wilcrest, Suite 160 Houston, Texas 77042-3358 1-713-974-3274 jay@lsli.com Date: 9/17/96 "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals; I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." --A. Whitney Brown ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: "Brian Huddell" Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:50:04 +0000 Subject: Re: The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind hal wrote: > Brian Huddell wrote: > > > I for one would rather see Robyn light Bob Dylan's farts. > > If you are wondering why Robyn himself doesn't > participate in our little gathering here...this > quoted post might be some indication. > > Grow up. > > hal Thanks for the public spanking. Why did you pick my post, the third in the thread? Why did you leave out the scrap of irony appended thusly: > (finally a thread I can feel good about; lets hope it lasts a long time) Why is it so important to you to assert your superiority in front of hundreds of people? Did you really think there was the slightest possibility that anyone was unaware of the childishness of our "fart" thread? Do you really think you've instructed anyone today? Are you actually satisfied that now, thanks to you, the community has learned that fart jokes are not, in fact, proper for public consumption? Do you understand the origins of the thread, how, even without my ironic parenthetical, it's a response in kind to a ridiculous statement made by a critic about RH? Perhaps I need to grow up, for participating in a silly thread. But you, hal, need far more grave correction. You're a clown, hal, a buffoon on a twisted, pathetic mission: not simply to clean up the world to your specifications but most importantly, to make damned sure everybody knows about your efforts. As you bask in the glory, as you collect the applause from far and near, congratulating you on the fact that you, hal, are most certainly NOT the sort of person who would make a fart joke, please pause for a moment to reflect upon my role in your newfound status. For you see, hal, without me, there would be no you. I think you'd do well to thank your personal deity for creating people like me so that you get to be a person like you. I think I'm going to cry. Love, Brian ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Tue, 17 Sep 96 16:06:16 EDT Subject: Re: Lighting De Chirico's Filthy Bird-Farts John "Magritte Is My Favorite Painter Too" Hedges wrote: > > Fegz: > > Non-sequitur: Another thing about Giorgio de Chirico was that he was quite a > religious fella, and wrote a little thingie called "The True Painter's > Morning Prayer". I KID YOU NOT: > > [ funny prayer regarding matters of little concern to a diety snipped ] > > --John "Magritte Is My Favorite Painter Too" Hedges Did anyone else think of the Saturday Night Live bit where the housewife (not PC, but I'll say it anyway) prays to Jesus constantly for help with trivial daily tasks? He gets P.O.ed and comes down to tell her he's got more important things to tend to. She breaks down in tears because he obviously doesn't love her. He makes her forget the whole thing and returns to heaven, to be further assaulted by her prayers. It loses something in the translation. -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca -- Ross Overbury Senior Operations Officer, Software CN Rail Signals and Communications, Laurentian District 2nd floor, 1060 University St. Montreal, Quebec, Canada TEL: (514) 399-8070 FAX: (514) 399-6725 email: rosso@cn.ca EMC2: OVERBURY ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Subject: CRD REQUEST Could someone please send me any of the following? Raining Twilight Coast Strange I Wanna Destroy You Thank you Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:21:43 -0400 From: sister ernestine Subject: mailbag also sprach HAMISH_SIMPSON@HP-UnitedKingdom-om4.om.hp.com: > The response hasn't been that good on my Nigel & The Crosses inquiries > has it? patience, patience. nigel and the crosses (sometimes known as bozo and the stooges, as well as some other names too, probably) was a sort-of project made up of the suspects that you mentioned: robyn, peter buck, the egyptians. i don't recall if billy bragg was a regular member or not. glenn tillbrook was certainly not. during march through may 1989, they performed a number of live shows just for the fun of it culminating in the may 29th borderline from which the recordings on that bucketfull of brains 7" ("foxy lady" and "queen of eyes") were culled. robyn and peter buck also recorded "wild mountain thyme" for the byrds tribute. > Another inquiry (if you can be bothered). I recognised about half a > dozen covers on Uncarved Pumpkins and about the same amount of RH > titles. Does anyone know the origins of the other tracks (you can > miss out VCR services if you like). I especially want to hear > originals of Lobsterman and You've Got. "lobsterman" is a robyn original, though whether or not the version on uncarved pumpkins is the same as the one that is mentioned in the liner notes of the _can of bees_ cd (two crab pressing, not sure about the rykodisc re-release) is unclear. "you've got" is also a robyn original, a version of which is the first track on _you & oblivion_. what are the other tracks that you're wondering about? also sprach NJARMAN@frmail.rosemount.com: > Does anybody out their want to volunteer to find me a cheep copy and post > it to me. I'll organise a money order or trade or something... i regularly keep my eyes open for used copies of _queen elvis_, but haven't found any yet. i seem to recall that the _globe of frogs_ cd is also asked about occasionally. it would be nice if folks who see either of these (or any other harder to find releases) snatch them up for listmembers in need. if i come across anything of interest that i do not need, i will certainly alert the list. > Please can list members who want replies put their email address into their > message. this is not a bad idea for anyone who posts to the list. having just subscribed to feg at work, where i have such a braindead mail system at work (profs with a sprintmail gateway - which gives even less information about the poster than cc:mail), i appreciate nigel's position. also sprach firstcat@lsli.com: >the problem with REM is not that they "sold out" but they became "REM" >and quit really being inovative on this last album....if >ya have the last three REM albums you've already heard this one... i'd disagree: i think that post-green, r.e.m. has stopped being r.e.m. and, because of that, they have produced some uneven material since then (green is a good album for kay to analyze in terms of fluid identity: half of it is r.e.m. and the other half is the beginning of their dabbling with their music). so far, it seems to take them two albums to figure out what they are doing: _out of time_ was pretty poor acoustic stuff, while _automatic for the people_ was strikinggly interesting. _monster_ was a flop, while _new adventures in hi-fi_ has already been played more since its release than _monster_. while i prefer the earlier albums (for whatever reason), i don't think their later work is in any way constant or boring (though some of it is). also sprach NJARMAN@frmail.rosemount.com: > I am sick of Robyn Stuff only being released in the states, and having to > pay for Import discs. The guy is English after all. i feel the same way about most cd singles and the first throwing muses album (at least the latter is being addressed soon and record companies over hear are beginning to make uk and us singles closer to each other). _O_ | woj@remus.rutgers.edu |< | hai, banana-wa arimasen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:31:50 -0500 (CDT) From: sdodge@inforel.com (Truman Peyote) Subject: Newer and even bluer Meanies in the vicinity of this Feglist (really rancorous stuff from Hal and Brian deleted) Brian: >Perhaps I need to grow up, for participating in a silly thread. No, that isn't it. (ok, what I have to say may be interpreted as preachy- just a warning- but bear in mind the expression "In my HUMBLE opinion", with humble being the operative word) I know that Hal slammed you publically (it really should have been done off-list, if it had to be done at all), and a bit unfairly, but that doesn't mean you necessarily need to defend your honor in front of everyone on the list just because of that. I mean really, what do all of these flying torches accomplish? No matter what you say or how well you say it, the net outcome will be the same- some will agree with you, some with Hal, some will think you're both at fault, and some will merely wish we could go back to talking about the sax playing on "Duke of Squeeze" and other assorted fegiana :). But I'd bet my copy of the Glass Fish "E of L" that nobody's opinion is going to be fundamentally changed by all this flying acrimony :). Brian again: >you, hal, need far more grave correction. You're a clown, hal, a >buffoon on a twisted, pathetic mission: not simply to clean up the >world to your specifications but most importantly, to make damned >sure everybody knows about your efforts. I mean really, this is just a bit harsh. Perhaps what Hal was reacting to was not so much your post or even the thread itself, but a general trend towards antideluvian humor that has been rearing its ugly head around here in recent times (of which that thread was by FAR the most innocuous sample IMHO) - your post just happened to perhaps be the one that he was looking at as this occurred to him, and so it was rightly or wrongly the one he responded to. I say this because this trend has been bothering me as well, although I have not posted about it publically, wishing generally to stay out of flame trajectories, although most likely I'm for it now. Susan ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: mailbag > "lobsterman" is a robyn original, though whether or not the version on > uncarved pumpkins is the same as the one that is mentioned in the liner > notes of the _can of bees_ cd (two crab pressing, not sure about the > rykodisc re-release) is unclear. I believe that the belief (great way of putting it, Terry) is that they are definitely not the same song. Why? 1) There's genuine doubt as to whether the CoB liner note songs existed. We think that we found The D Song and maybe one other one, but a lot of them seem kinda made up. 2) You gotta admit, it doesn't sound like Soft-Boys era Robyn. Practically no venom at all..And Robyn doesn't play unreleased SB when solo (to my knowledge) 3) Robyn writes titles, then songs to go along with them. That's one f the reasons that he's got those crazy titles. Theory is that he wrote a song called Lobsterman, ditched it, then wrote another song called Lobsterman 15 years later. Terrence "The Human Mellotron" Marks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 08:06:17 +0800 (SST) From: Kevin M Mathews Subject: That's Not Me Hey, people, I never said those things about " not being ga-ga about REM " - which I am. I believe the person responsible was Putney Swope. Just getting the record straight. Cheers, Kevin. PS If all goes well, I will be doing a phoner with Robyn this evening! Keep you fegs posted. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .