From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #172 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 172 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- My Life in the Bush of Ghosts Re: once and for all.... Re: once and for all.... don't read this if you only want RH-related text Remixed by the Artist Re: DylanHeadsBigstar with Bonus Trilobyte!!! MossBrew and other flavas Electric Backlash Re: long lost male train Re: don't read this if you only want RH-related text Re: DylanHeadsBigstar with Bonus Trilobyte!!! remixed by artist re: Details Robyn Rorschach Re: BIGO wow! uh...at least it was a good idea. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:24:55 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: My Life in the Bush of Ghosts I know everyone's thinking of the album, but this was originally the title of a terrific non-realist novel by Amos Tutuola. It was published in 1950-some-odd, she hedged, and it's difficult to describe; although it obviously draws on Yoruba oral tradition it's also very much a literary creation that wouldn't work half as well if it were told aloud. I found his writing a bit off-putting at first because it violated so many of the conventions I'm accustomed to, but within a few pages I was hooked. It's unlike anything else. Tutuola's style isn't as Hitchcock-like as, say, Boris Vian's, but if you're looking for stories about households of skulls "inside an endless forest in which only the terrible creatures were living," Tutuola's your man. Tracy "my life in the bush of toast" Copeland ------------------------------ Subject: Re: once and for all.... From: guambat@juno.com (James & Holly Moore) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 01:09:16 EDT The Woj speaks: >while i haven't been paying as close attention as i could or >(possibly) >should be, it appears to me that this the little flare-up is a result >of someone taking exception to christine, not her forcing her politics >in anyone's face. > >so would everyone just please cool it? no one would react this way if >someone introduced themself as a hetrosexual programmer and no one >should react this way because christine is a lesbian whore. > >woj Yes, I apologize for my inflammatory remarks. I originally posted a sarcastic comment not to Ms (?) DuBois' remarks, but as a response to a number of offensive (at least I took them to be so) posts on the subject of very personal sexual matters that were related to both Ms DuBois' email signature and her introductory comments. I guess I flipped a bit when Ms DuBois responded to Terry's sarcastic remarks -- and I know now that I should have simply not posted. I think I agree with what you've said, except that I'd ask if the signature itself does not provoke others into responding... I'd also beg to differ, respectfully, that if I were to post a signature that said something like "100% heterosexual and proud" or "I love to screw women because I'm just made that way" -- there would undoubtedly be some homosexual soul out there who would be grossly offended. So why put something like that on there at all? It's just asking for trouble. It's the same thing as putting something like "Vote for Bob Dole in 1996", or "Jesus is the answer" on there... I guess my main point was that if it's ok for someone to announce that they're a "lesbian whore" -- it should also be okay for someone else to respond by saying that they find such announcements to be offensive. It appears that I am in the minority here, but I maintain that I find such comments to be highly offensive. I do think that the way I responded was wrong, though, and I apologize for that -- to all whom are concerned and especially to Ms DuBois herself. Now, for something completely Robyn: How about that Moss Elixir? Repentantly, Jim Moore guambat@juno.com ------------------------------ Subject: Re: once and for all.... From: guambat@juno.com (James & Holly Moore) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 01:09:16 EDT The Woj speaks: >while i haven't been paying as close attention as i could or >(possibly) >should be, it appears to me that this the little flare-up is a result >of someone taking exception to christine, not her forcing her politics >in anyone's face. > >so would everyone just please cool it? no one would react this way if >someone introduced themself as a hetrosexual programmer and no one >should react this way because christine is a lesbian whore. > >woj Yes, I apologize for my inflammatory remarks. I originally posted a sarcastic comment not to Ms (?) DuBois' remarks, but as a response to a number of offensive (at least I took them to be so) posts on the subject of very personal sexual matters that were related to both Ms DuBois' email signature and her introductory comments. I guess I flipped a bit when Ms DuBois responded to Terry's sarcastic remarks -- and I know now that I should have simply not posted. I think I agree with what you've said, except that I'd ask if the signature itself does not provoke others into responding... I'd also beg to differ, respectfully, that if I were to post a signature that said something like "100% heterosexual and proud" or "I love to screw women because I'm just made that way" -- there would undoubtedly be some homosexual soul out there who would be grossly offended. So why put something like that on there at all? It's just asking for trouble. It's the same thing as putting something like "Vote for Bob Dole in 1996", or "Jesus is the answer" on there... I guess my main point was that if it's ok for someone to announce that they're a "lesbian whore" -- it should also be okay for someone else to respond by saying that they find such announcements to be offensive. It appears that I am in the minority here, but I maintain that I find such comments to be highly offensive. I do think that the way I responded was wrong, though, and I apologize for that -- to all whom are concerned and especially to Ms DuBois herself. Now, for something completely Robyn: How about that Moss Elixir? Repentantly, Jim Moore guambat@juno.com ------------------------------ From: "Christine Du Bois" Subject: don't read this if you only want RH-related text Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:30:58 -0700 Firstly, I want to thank Woj for a clear-headed, even-tempered response to the current situation. However, there's one other aspect I'd like to address: Remember who initiated this bullshit in the first place! ***IT WASN'T ME!*** It was actually a subscriber named Victor, who I readily cite because I am damned sick of several people assaulting ME and the fibers of what comprises my identity. Have any of you arch-militant, homophobic, anal-retentive losers (who both publicly and privately tried to berate me) even bothered to privately e-mail HIM? I doubt it. Perhaps he was just being humorous, but I found his comments rather presumptuous and insulting. So I responded to it firmly and yet bemusedly, hoping it would just cough, sputter and die after that. Boy, was I wrong. Secondly, I won't apologize for my self-introduction which wasn't intended to be confrontational. Rather, I only wanted to let people know who I was (based on the fact that *I* like to know with whom I am conversing on these lists!) and that I was happy to find y'all. I am proud of who I am, what I do and what I believe. If you don't like it, then you can just kiss my lily-white arse and delete all of my messages. Thirdly, if you incriminate or belittle me publicly, I'll reply publicly -- regardless of whether some people consider it "drivel." You'd do the same fucking thing if your name was being slandered, believe me! Lastly, I love Robyn Hitchcock. His music carried and nurtured me through one of the darkest periods of my life, and I'm *still* glad that I discovered this list on the Net. And though I am incredibly irate at the moment, I refuse to sign myself off. You bastards won't grind me down, so pack up your ammo and leave me alone, both publicly AND privately. Christine Du Bois Unabashed Sacred Whore, Loud and Proud Lesbian, and Public Relations Director COYOTE/Seattle: The Sex Workers Rights Organization http://www.coyotesea.org NOTE: We do NOT provide sex worker referrals! ******************************************************************** Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman... ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Sep 1996 10:36:09 -0700 From: Dan Stomierosky Subject: Remixed by the Artist More fodder for the Gravy (Deco) train: apparently Neil Young was unhappy with the original mix on his first solo album. Shortly after its release he remixed it and Reprise re-released it. An original copy does not have the "Neil Young" title emblazoned on the cover. dws ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 14:20:42 -0500 (CDT) From: sdodge@inforel.com (Truman Peyote) Subject: Re: DylanHeadsBigstar with Bonus Trilobyte!!! That scrumptious, devastatingly charming rascal known as Rex Broome writes: >I don't have any figures ditto, but I would assume that Speaking In Tongues >(with "Burning Down The House," etc.) would be the best-selling Heads >album. Also, Tongues was released between the first live album and Stop >Making Sense, so you're wrong on the above consecutive-live-albums count." > >Well, you may be right in the sales dept., but if you read my post carefully >(as quoted here), you'll see that I've mentioned "Tongues" as being the >release BEFORE "SMS" but AFTER "The Name of This Band Is Talking Heads"-- >which I'm still waiting for on CD, BTW... I think the problem here is my >pronominal "that", which I had intended as a reference to "Tongues". Hmmm... >maybe I need to reconsider this whole mosaic-like writing style of mine. Bingo! I suspect, though, that if "Speaking In Tongues" did really become the Heads' biggest seller, it wasn't until AFTER "Stop Making Sense" had been out awhile. And in a sort of related humor note- does anyone else remember Kansas's abysmal cover of "Burning Down The House"? I swear I am not making this up. I only wish. I think you're going to have a long wait for "The Name of This Band Is Talking Heads" on CD. What's been holding it up so long is anyone's guess, but there's no denying that there's a market for it, so what gives? Any record biz people have inside info on this? (stuff about "My Life In The Bush of Ghosts" deleted) >"Aw, come on, you're getting careless now. The current version of Sister >Lovers is on Rykodisc. It NEVER was on Rhino -- previously, it was on PVC." >Yeah, that was SLOP! Sorry. Never saw the PVC version. My version was on >French vinyl (forget the label) and it was called "Big Star's 3rd Album". > Bought it in Grenoble. I now have the Ryko version, and it's better than >the French version. I understsand it's been released more times than can be >reasonably counted. Oh Rex, how could you? :) (pout) >Um, Robyn Hitchcock is really cool. There's no denying THAT! Susan, dearest immortal incomparable >Susan, says that the track most sorely missed from "ME" is "Trilobyte". > Right on. Not only might this be one of three queintessential RH >compositions (inasmuchas nobody else could've written it), but it's also a >song that I'd been waiting to hear since I was six years old, staring for >hours at a foldout in the Time-Life library of nature depicting "The Cambrian >Sea"... Just out of curiosity, my own scrummy sweet, what would the other two be? Now that I think about it, this strikes me as perhaps being an interesting idea for a thread. Does it strike anyone else that way? Susan ------------------------------ From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:49:48 -0400 Subject: MossBrew and other flavas Totally shocked by all the homebrewers on the list, I was wondering if any Fegs were going to attend the Pacific Coast Beer Festival in Santa Barbara this year, and if so, please contact me. As for the recipe, I'll try not to ruin it cause I don't really have anything nice to say about Moss Elixir. But as a fan of beer, I would suggest that Moss Elixir be way over-hopped. Very very bitter.... Allright yeah... BLATZMAN, beer enthusiast and lover of fine whines. ------------------------------ From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:50:02 -0400 Subject: Electric Backlash I think the Lesbian Whore is really not to blame. It was someone else who jumped on the bandwagon, posting such questions as "are you voting for Bob Dole?" and making lovely generalizations like "96% of the f_ck ups in the world are heterosexual males". Then of course bringing "important" issues such as Bosnia onto the Robyn List... This is the kind of stuff that turns my stomach. Christine is not to be blamed for somebody else's inappropriate questions and statements. However, I'm still as interested in everyone's sex and politics as much as you're interested in what I had for breakfast... ;_) The Elephant Blatzman ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 14:51:09 -0500 (CDT) From: sdodge@inforel.com (Truman Peyote) Subject: Re: long lost male train >Ooophs--when I mentioned Hitchcock and Reed preforming together, >I forgot something. Reed ocassionally tries to murder fellow-band >mates(well--so rumor goes). Since its in our intrest to keep >robyn in good health--maybe not such a good idea. Maybe bad idea. >real bad idea. > >Kay the safety first Cap Yes, indeed that would suck :) It is very suprising to me that lovely, brilliant John Cale put up with Reed's shenanigans for as long as he did (sorry Kay, I respect most of your opinions highly but I can't bring myself to jump on the Lou train, to stretch this train thing much farther than it really ought to go :)). For the record, I would much rather see HIM duet with Robyn. I'm sure the musical results would be quite pleasing and as an extra bonus, no one would have to get killed :). Susan the always willing to give an opinion Gemini smiling to herself at the thought of the gentle Welshman decking Lou with a right hook ------------------------------ From: ZeroSummer@aol.com Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:20:54 -0400 Subject: Re: don't read this if you only want RH-related text Every side has militants, both homosexuals who won't accept that some heteros are decent, and religious right fuckups who don't accept anyone outside their circle and make me feel like I have to apologize for my personal Christian faith. I'm tired of people not accepting each other, and I'm tired of reading it here, which used to be a safe haven. Anyway, bye. Enjoy the music. See y'all in some other fashion. *unsubscribe* Joe Post-Christian Poet Mystic Heterosexual Virgin Burgeoning Libertarian CT Newspaper Reporter Ugly Bag of Mostly Water ------------------------------ From: Ella Guru Subject: Re: DylanHeadsBigstar with Bonus Trilobyte!!! Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:00:24 -0700 At 14:20 08.09.96 -0500, Truman Peyote wrote: >And in a sort of related humor note- does anyone else remember Kansas's abysmal >cover of "Burning Down The House"? I swear I am not making this up. I only >wish. If you want to hear a truly ungodly rendering of "Burning Down The House", check out the Bonnie "I used to be pretty good but I fell into the trap of getting a big name producer and then won a bunch of Grammies and suddenly everyone knew who I was, so I had to begin appealing to a much broader audience, thereby abandoning my bluesy roots for a more streamlined, commercialized sound" Raitt version. She appeared on a late night TV show a few weeks ago promoting her new album and ended up performing that song, which, I guess, is her new single. I woke up the neighborhood with a blood-curdling scream. I really haven't recovered from the trauma caused by the event. Hoping the Oakland Raiders win another game before the turn of the century, --g "Las Vegas exists to give Los Angeles the illusion of cultural depth." --Lincoln Spector ______________________________________________________ Glen E. Uber | glen@metro.net | http://metro.net/glen/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:51:25 -0500 From: chichi@mail.io.com (Zelda Pinwheel) Subject: remixed by artist just in case anyone is still following this who re-mixed what thread...when frank zappa *first* released his oevure(sp?) on cd he felt that the drum and bass sounds were INFERIOR...so he took it upon himself to re-record these parts on: We're only in it for the Money, Lumpy Gravy, and Cruising with Ruben and the Jets. these were the only versions of these records still in print until his death, at which time rykodisc issued the original mixes.--stacy(on my way to buy Moss Elixir) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 96 18:56:40 -0500 From: "T.L.R. III" Subject: re: Details Robyn Rorschach well, a fellow mental health professional of mine, while watching robyn do a monologue on volume one of the video boot, said something like: "this must be what it's like to be schizophrenic, but be able to handle it anyway." the rorschach is a kind of silly thing, anywho (imho). i'd love to see robyn read someone's palm. or better yet, tealeaves. "well this bit is a crab, you see, and it's playing an invisible harmonica. . . . ." a different tom than the other one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * "questions are a burden for others. addresses: * * answers are a prison for oneself." small documents: tlr121@psuvm.psu.edu * * --village sign large documents: tom@tlr121.rh.psu.edu* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ------------------------------ From: Brian of Nazareth Subject: Re: BIGO Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:13:04 -0700 At 08:28 06.09.96 +0800, Kevin M Mathews wrote: > To fellow Fegs who may be interested in a Moss >Elixir review I submitted to local rock mag BigO - please contact me >personally. Kevin, I would be very interested in reading your review. Thanx, --g "Las Vegas exists to give Los Angeles the illusion of cultural depth." --Lincoln Spector ______________________________________________________ Glen E. Uber | glen@metro.net | http://metro.net/glen/ ------------------------------ From: "jeffery j vaska" Subject: wow! uh...at least it was a good idea. Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:29:02 -0700 can only say that i am quite disappointed with the ecessive amount of crap from this mail-list. i'm not upset with any person, type of person, or particular philosophical schema. i thought it would be cool to hear more from other robyn fans - so far i have found them to be a special group. even beyond all the rhetoric here, and many people's efforts to impress others via email wit, there isn't much of anything here. it's the same as practically any other mail-list i've encountered. sorry, but i must *unsubsribe*. but, if people do have good information to exchange, thoughts relevant to one of my personal superhero's, please jot down my email address and keep me informed. thanks in advance for your kindness. ta-ra!...jv ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .