From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #171 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 171 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: once and for all.... long lost male train Re: Details Robyn Rorschach Re: Manchester Roadhouse 05 Sep 96 review Re: Arms Of Portland Re: once and for all.... Re: DylanHeadsBigstar Re: once and for all.... Re: Arms Of Portland Militant lesbian whore on the Robyn list Re: once and for all.... Warning:100% Robyn content Re: Militant lesbian whore on the Robyn list splungiflurbicity in no.170 Y'know, nothing special... Re: DylanHeadsBigstar with Bonus Trilobyte!!! Re: Male train lost Re: K Records help ------------------------------ From: "Christine Du Bois" Subject: Re: once and for all.... Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 11:08:46 -0700 Terry wrote: | Oblig: We got hookers on the mailing list! Woohoo! We got hookers on the | mailing list! [dances] Woohoo! We got flamers on the mailing list too! | Woohoo! We got flamers! | Excuse me, but this is NOT necessary. Yes, I'm a WHORE but this kind of juvenile drivel is NOT appreciated. | | ps: I mean flamers as in people who post inflammatory messages. What are | my views on homosexuality? If you want to know ask me. I'd bet | Underwater Moonlight to Perspex Island that there are people on this list | who disagree, but this isn't the place for it. Ever visited the Ani DiFranco list? We have a wonderful policy over there: Everyone who revels in the woman congregates and discusses whatever they damn well please. I realize that this isn't the case over here, but perhaps we'd all benefit from a looser agenda. Just my .02! Bright blessings, Christine Du Bois Unabashed Sacred Whore, Loud and Proud Lesbian, and Public Relations Director COYOTE/Seattle: The Sex Workers Rights Organization http://www.coyotesea.org NOTE: We do NOT provide sex worker referrals! ******************************************************************** Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman... ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: LORDK@library.phila.gov Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:38:30 -0400 (EDT) CC: LORDK@library.phila.gov Subject: long lost male train Ooophs--when I mentioned Hitchcock and Reed preforming together, I forgot something. Reed ocassionally tries to murder fellow-band mates(well--so rumor goes). Since its in our intrest to keep robyn in good health--maybe not such a good idea. Maybe bad idea. real bad idea. Kay the safety first Cap ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:16:15 -0500 (CDT) From: sdodge@inforel.com (Truman Peyote) Subject: Re: Details Robyn Rorschach >Well, here's the Details article about Robyn. (descriptions deleted) >-------------- >Well, any professionals want to draw their own opinion? Being a non-professional, my own opinion is that a professional would probably not have allowed him to get away with an answer like "Pat Buchanan having an orgasm", but that's just a layman's point of view :). Susan P.S. It's an interesting little feature, by the way. They also do Coolio, Patti Smith, and Fred Schneider, among others. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:16:09 -0500 (CDT) From: sdodge@inforel.com (Truman Peyote) Subject: Re: Manchester Roadhouse 05 Sep 96 review >After a short interval back came Robyn solo and acoustic and played HEAVEN >then >an extended version of I GOT A MESSAGE FOR YOU. Back came Homer and we had >THE DEVIL'S RADIO and the evening was finished off with a song that I am >completely at a loss to identify. A blues song, not one of Robyn's I think, >lyrics included 'I ride on the mail train baby.....' 'I've been up all night >leaning on the windowsill, well' 'and if I die on top of a hill, Lord if I >don't make it you know my baby will.' That must be enough for someone to be >able to identify it. That would in fact be "It Takes A Lot to Laugh, It Takes A Train to Cry" by my old hero Bob Dylan, from 1965's way marvelous brilliant impossible to overrate "Highway 61 Revisited". >I missed the trousers, but the shirts were white and black check with a >circular pattern on it and for the encore a yellow shirt with green lizards. I'm sorry to hear that. I've been enjoying the fashion reportage aspect of these reviews :). >PS My wife recovered quite quickly. I'm glad to hear it! >-- >Rob Collingwood >Warrington, Cheshire, England Who has been so kind as to keep sending us these much appreciated reports. Thank you! Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 12:56:20 -0700 From: gondola@deltanet.com (E.B.) Subject: Re: Arms Of Portland >From: M R Godwin > >> 19. Portland Arms 9 > >This one is faultless, especially the saxophone - and the best version of >'Duke of Squeeze' that I have ever heard (also the only version I've >heard, but that doesn't make it any worse). Should be well into the top >10. Well, the obvious reason it's not in the Top 10 is that many of us haven't HEARD it. :) :P E.B. ------------------------------ From: headfx@ix.netcom.com Date: Thu, 29 Aug 1996 15:54:15 -0400 Subject: Re: once and for all.... Christine Du Bois wrote: > > Terry wrote: > | Oblig: We got hookers on the mailing list! Woohoo! We got hookers on > the mailing list! [dances] Woohoo! We got flamers on the mailing list too! > | Woohoo! We got flamers! > | > Excuse me, but this is NOT necessary. Yes, I'm a WHORE but this kind of > juvenile drivel is NOT appreciated. ....huh..huh-huh....she said "drivel"....huh..huh-huh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 13:16:56 -0700 From: gondola@deltanet.com (E.B.) Subject: Re: DylanHeadsBigstar >From: Rob Collingwood >the evening was finished off with a song that I am >completely at a loss to identify. A blues song, not one of Robyn's I think, >lyrics included 'I ride on the mail train baby.....' 'I've been up all night >leaning on the windowsill, well' 'and if I die on top of a hill, Lord if I >don't make it you know my baby will.' That must be enough for someone to be >able to identify it. Sigh...it's "It Takes A Lot To Laugh, It Takes A Train To Cry" off Dylan's Highway 61 Revisited, only the greatest rock album ever made. SOMEONE needs to make a couple of catalog purchases. ;) Who's gonna send me a tape of that Hitchcock-duplicates-the-famous-Royal-Albert-Hall-concert show?? I need it baaaaaad, if it indeed exists. :( >From RxBroome@aol.com: >I don't have any figures in front of me, but I would guess that "Stop Making >Sense", the soundtrack to a Demme film, is the best selling Talking Heads >album ever-- nest'ce pas, listgoing record co. weasels? And 40% of said >soundtrack repeats the tracks of Talking Heads previous studio release. And >the Heads release before THAT was ALSO a live recording with a number of >tracks in commmom with "SMS"... I don't have any figures ditto, but I would assume that Speaking In Tongues (with "Burning Down The House," etc.) would be the best-selling Heads album. Also, Tongues was released between the first live album and Stop Making Sense, so you're wrong on the above consecutive-live-albums count. >byrne deleted and replaced one of the tracks on _my life with (actually >"in"- Rx) the bush of ghosts (or whatever)_ for some reason i can't recall" >Had this on cassette and recently got the CD. A relatively forgettable track >was replaced with an EQUALLY forgettable track. All the essential stuff was >left intact. Does anyone know what gives? I believe it was a somebody-doesn't-wanna-be-sampled issue, wasn't it? The track in question is "Very, Very Hungry," right? >Big Star's third album, the title of which nobody can agree upon, has been >released many, many times under various titles (most recently Rhino's CD >release as "Third/Sister Lovers"). Who knows what the real deal on this one >is... Aw, come on, you're getting careless now. The current version of Sister Lovers is on Rykodisc. It NEVER was on Rhino -- previously, it was on PVC. Personally, I MUCH prefer the running order of the PVC disc. Eric ------------------------------ Subject: Re: once and for all.... From: guambat@juno.com (James & Holly Moore) Date: Sat, 07 Sep 1996 17:21:37 EDT >Excuse me, but this is NOT necessary. Yes, I'm a WHORE but this kind of >juvenile drivel is NOT appreciated. Gosh... I thought that was... um.... illegal? >Ever visited the Ani DiFranco list? We have a wonderful policy over >there: > Everyone who revels in the woman congregates and discusses whatever >they >damn well please. I realize that this isn't the case over here, but >perhaps we'd all benefit from a looser agenda. Just my .02! Uh... this isn't the Ani DiFranco list. That's my .02 >Bright blessings, > >Christine Du Bois >Unabashed Sacred Whore, >Loud and Proud Lesbian, >and Public Relations Director >COYOTE/Seattle: The Sex Workers Rights Organization >http://www.coyotesea.org >NOTE: We do NOT provide sex worker referrals! >******************************************************************** >Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman... >******************************************************************** > If you want to be a lesbian whore--that's your prerogative. But why do the rest of us have to be assaulted with this? Again, we're all members of a discussion list that talks about Robyn Hitchcock and related matters. As far as I know, discussing the virtues of being a lesbian whore is not one of those "related matters", any more than discussing the virtues of "Pet Sounds" was... If I'm wrong, well I guess it's time to unsubscribe. I can just see it now: ROBYN HITCHCOCK DISCUSSION LIST HIJACKED BY LESBIAN WHORES. NEW DISCUSSION LIST CREATED CALLED 'LESBIAN WHORES TALK ABOUT ROBYN HITCHCOCK'... But I don't think I'm wrong.... Woj? Sincerely, Jim Moore guambat@juno.com ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:03:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Arms Of Portland > >From: M R Godwin > > > >> 19. Portland Arms 9 > > > >This one is faultless, especially the saxophone - and the best version of > >'Duke of Squeeze' that I have ever heard (also the only version I've > >heard, but that doesn't make it any worse). Should be well into the top > >10. Faultless?? False starts, mangled verses, etc. They played some parts of it perfectly, but some bits needed practice, and obviously. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:10:45 -0500 From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John, Jacci, & Madison) Subject: Militant lesbian whore on the Robyn list Jim wrote: >If you want to be a lesbian whore--that's your prerogative. >But why do the rest of us have to be assaulted with this? >From a lurker's point of view, Christine's entrance into the feg list did have that "RIGHT UP IN YOUR FACE" feel to it. Barring that, I've always felt it sad that I participate in a discussion group with people that I know virtually NOTHING about. Russ works for KSJO. That much I know. Terry is a human mellotron, but I don't really know what a mellotron is. Is it like a Hammond? or a Wurlitzer? >Again, we're all members of a discussion list that talks about >Robyn Hitchcock and related matters. As far as I know, discussing >the virtues of being a lesbian whore is not one of those "related >matters", any more than discussing the virtues of "Pet Sounds" was... >If I'm wrong, well I guess it's time to unsubscribe. We are here to talk about Robyn. I love doing that. But I like getting to know who everyone is on the list. That helps when reading. And if it takes cartoonish stereotypes to give me a mental picture of who you are, then I guess I'll take what I can get. And if issues come into it, annoying as that may be, then so be it. We don't have to argue sides, but people should have the opportunity [once- : )] to say who we are and what we stand for. John B. Jones HUSBAND AND FATHER (first) RELAXED POSTAL-WORKER (second) HUMAN MIC STAND CHILD OF ALCOHOLIC PARENTS SURVIVOR OF A CORPORATE STEPFATHER TRANSPLANTED OREGONIAN e-mail me for a history of my life. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 21:33:48 -0400 From: sister ernestine Subject: Re: once and for all.... >>Christine Du Bois >>Unabashed Sacred Whore, >>Loud and Proud Lesbian, >>and Public Relations Director >>COYOTE/Seattle: The Sex Workers Rights Organization >>http://www.coyotesea.org >>NOTE: We do NOT provide sex worker referrals! >>******************************************************************** >>Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman... >>******************************************************************** >If you want to be a lesbian whore--that's your prerogative. >But why do the rest of us have to be assaulted with this? i'm not sure what you think you're being assaulted by, jim. it's either christine's signature or her politics (which are tied together), so i'll address both. signatures are where people have always had the opportunity to put some pithy quote, describe themselves and other similar things. this is exactly what christine is doing above. fegmaniax does not have a rule forbidding signatures or guidelines for their content and i'm not about to make any (though i would ask that people keep them to a reasonable length of 4-6 lines, which is the only criticism i'd make of christine's). as for the politics, as i've said in the past and will probably say again, fegmaniax is not a platform for anyone to preach their politics, religion, philosophy or whatever. however, that doesn't preclude anyone from referring to any of the above to the extent that it relates to robyn. i just went back to look at christine's posts to the list and, other than introducing herself as a "queer witch", she made no reference to her politics on the list (except in her .sig, which is not a problem). while i haven't been paying as close attention as i could or (possibly) should be, it appears to me that this the little flare-up is a result of someone taking exception to christine, not her forcing her politics in anyone's face. so would everyone just please cool it? no one would react this way if someone introduced themself as a hetrosexual programmer and no one should react this way because christine is a lesbian whore. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 19:05 PDT From: upstart@mindlink.bc.ca (Renee Lynn) Subject: Warning:100% Robyn content I Love Robyn Hitchcock. Bcingu RLT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:28:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Trixie, Bunny and Peaches" Subject: Re: Militant lesbian whore on the Robyn list On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, John, Jacci, & Madison wrote: > > We are here to talk about Robyn. I love doing that. But I like getting to > know who > everyone is on the list. That helps when reading. And if it takes > cartoonish stereotypes to give me a mental picture of who you are, then I > guess I'll take what I can get. And if issues come into it, annoying as > that may be, then so be it. We don't have to argue sides, but people > should have the opportunity [once- : )] to say who we are and what we stand > for. Agreed. there is a point when our personal lives are relevent, i.e. the often running 'i often dream of' thread. there is also a point when our lives become of little or no consequence. the flames of brian wilson resound strong here. deciding which is which; this is a fine line to draw, indeed. in the past two months or so i feel that this line has seen a bit of abuse. at times this is no bother, other times i wonder why i spend all the time deleting messages based upon the subject line alone. since i am not the owner of the list, woj is, i can only reflect my own desire to have topics reflect some relation to robyn, however tangent and tenuous (infact, tangental makes for a better list, IMHO) my .02$ .chris > > John B. Jones > TRANSPLANTED OREGONIAN transplated from oregon to become (maybe, the only feg in) nevada, but only for two years tho'! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:05:11 +1200 (NZST) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: splungiflurbicity in no.170 >I do apologize if I offended anyone yesterday with my scathing >condemnation of heterosexual males. This is certainly not a forum for >misogynic venom. I think the word you're looking for is misandric... for my part though, apology accepted. I agree with what you wrote, albeit in a more muted, less extreme way, but this isn't the forum to discuss it. Good luck with staying away from Hurricane Fran! >Since many Hitchcock geeks are also Split Enz geeks; has anyone heard >"Enzso" where the Finn brothers re-recorded oldies like "Message To My >Girl", "Dirty Creature" et al with a full orchestral score? It's amazing! pretty good for what sounded like a stupid idea at first. Personally, I like the way Eddie Rayner's instru,mentals (eg Albert of India) were re-done. Perhaps Robyn should try this... a symphonic version of Rock'n'Roll Toilet would go down a treat! >> 14. Invisible Hits 42 > >Is this the one with 'Astronomy Domine' on? Or the one with 'Rock'n'Roll >Toilet'? I think you're getting it confused with the not-exactly-official CD "Invisible History", which starts with Astronomy Domine IIRC >Proposed Poll: > >There are 15 candidates and you get thrice that in love points and >half that in over-rated points to distribute. An average of three >stars per album seems appropriate for a fan-list. New Zealand's having a general election shortly, and we've just changed to a proportional representation system that almost no-one seems to be able to understand. Now I know who designed it! >Im sorry , but my age is showing---the track in question >is by Dylan, off highway 61 revisted, cant remember the name >(said my age was showing), and is immortal. And the last line is very Robyn-- >Dont say I didnt warn you, when youre train got lost. as I said before - "It takes a lot to laugh, it takes a train to cry" finally... >Well, here's the Details article about Robyn. >I can't very well do Inkblot-to-ASCII, so.. >[...] >Well, any professionals want to draw their own opinion? no! James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:23:05 -0400 Subject: Y'know, nothing special... Russ says: "you that Y&O shouldn't count as a real album...neither should Invisible Hitchcock (which I love, by the way) or Invisible Hits (well, maybe), for the same reasons. For that matter, I don't consider "Kershaw" a real album either (though I agree it's a great collection). Or GLTHO, just because I don't consider live albums real albums (unless they contain all new material like some of FZ's did)... and for the record I don't think GLTHO is really a very good live album..." Wow-- not only does has Robyn twice successfully made records that are indisputably invisible, hes' made quite a few that don't even exist! Re: BSDR: " Also, there is "something >weedy" about the production (as Mike Godwin put it referring to >Fegmania!). I think I remember reading that the mix was sped up, >which might account for some of that." Check the liner notes on the Rhino version-- I think Robyn says that this was recorded on a four track (maybe even some mutant 5-track?)... anyway, he lauds the producer's skill at "bumping tracks down", which IS pretty impressive, but the fact that all that bumping was done probably accounts for the weediness. " "Acid Bird" IS missing a little beef in the midrange--I'll give you that--but the song nonetheless holds up as one of his best, IMO."" The guitar is played through a wah pedal that's turned on but not being "wah-ed", creating that wacky tinny treble-ality. An accident that Robyn kept because he like it-- ibid. Tuesday will be a bitch-- note also that Billy Bragg's record comes out on the 10th. Have fun, kids. Rex PS-- sorry for my last post continuing a game that had been shut down by a clarification of the rules. That's what I get for being on the digest, I guess. ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:25:10 -0400 Subject: Re: DylanHeadsBigstar with Bonus Trilobyte!!! Self-defense time... AGAIN: The other Broome writes: "From RxBroome@aol.com: >I don't have any figures in front of me, but I would guess that "Stop Making >Sense", the soundtrack to a Demme film, is the best selling Talking Heads >album ever-- nest'ce pas, listgoing record co. weasels? And 40% of said >soundtrack repeats the tracks of Talking Heads previous studio release. And >the Heads release before THAT was ALSO a live recording with a number of >tracks in commmom with "SMS"... I don't have any figures ditto, but I would assume that Speaking In Tongues (with "Burning Down The House," etc.) would be the best-selling Heads album. Also, Tongues was released between the first live album and Stop Making Sense, so you're wrong on the above consecutive-live-albums count." Well, you may be right in the sales dept., but if you read my post carefully (as quoted here), you'll see that I've mentioned "Tongues" as being the release BEFORE "SMS" but AFTER "The Name of This Band Is Talking Heads"-- which I'm still waiting for on CD, BTW... I think the problem here is my pronominal "that", which I had intended as a reference to "Tongues". Hmmm... maybe I need to reconsider this whole mosaic-like writing style of mine. "I believe it was a somebody-doesn't-wanna-be-sampled issue, wasn't it? The ("Bush of Ghosts") track in question is "Very, Very Hungry," right?" Think so. This makes sense. Very good record, "Bush of Ghosts", light years ahead of its time. In addition to being half of the soundtrack to the mediocre film "Wall Street", there's a sample from the "Bush of Ghosts" track "America is Waiting" on the 808 State's seminal techno album "EX:EL". Since the techno world has yet to match "EX:EL" in terms of mind-pummeling revelations, you can use the ol' transitive property to see what a milestone "Bush" was... "Aw, come on, you're getting careless now. The current version of Sister Lovers is on Rykodisc. It NEVER was on Rhino -- previously, it was on PVC." Yeah, that was SLOP! Sorry. Never saw the PVC version. My version was on French vinyl (forget the label) and it was called "Big Star's 3rd Album". Bought it in Grenoble. I now have the Ryko version, and it's better than the French version. I understsand it's been released more times than can be reasonably counted. Um, Robyn Hitchcock is really cool. Susan, dearest immortal incomparable Susan, says that the track most sorely missed from "ME" is "Trilobyte". Right on. Not only might this be one of three queintessential RH compositions (inasmuchas nobody else could've written it), but it's also a song that I'd been waiting to hear since I was six years old, staring for hours at a foldout in the Time-Life library of nature depicting "The Cambrian Sea"... Rex ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Male train lost Date: Sat, 7 Sep 96 20:40:05 -0700 From: Tom Clark >Anyway, its one of a handfull of songs and poems which I call"Taliesien" >works. Meaning works whose main identity is founded on the fluidity >of identity. "Only You" is another example out of the robyn canon, >as is alot of the stuff on ME. the reason I use "Taliesen" for this motif >is because there are a bunch of old welsh poems under this moniker >which deal with this theme. Robert Graves in the white Goddess(Im showing >my age again), highlights them as demonstraiting the basic gift and >problem of the poet. Keats touched on it with his idea of negative >capacity. And Shakespeare was really nobody but the creatures in his >plays, right? Wrong? >Anyway--fluidity of identity is a "issue" in my own life, and it helps >alot when people of Robyns(and Lous) caliber write about it with wit and >insight. >Kay, the Im not me, Cap I have no idea what Kay is talking about here, but it's much more interesting than whether or not Brian Wilson was in his "lesbian whore" period whilst re-recording "Pet Sounds." Seriously Kay, I'd like a more fleshed out essay on the fluidity of identity if it's not too much trouble. Thanks a bunch, -tom ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:59:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Brooks Martin Subject: Re: K Records help K Box 7154 Olympia, WA 98507 USA 7 inch singles are 3.75 post paid. cheers, Brooks On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 Critica@aol.com wrote: > Hi all! > > Could someone please re-post the mailing address for ordering the "I > Something You" single from K? I appreciate the help. > > Cheers, > Becky > critica@aol.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .