From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #170 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 170 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: New album news Re: Remixing Re: New album news Feg Digest V4 #169 -Reply Re: Remixing Album Poll Re: Remixing Re: Album Poll Results Re: Album Poll Results K Records help Re: Album Poll Results The Devil Went Down To Tampa Re: K Records help Re: Album Poll Results Re: I am not militant, really! Greatest Hits Manchester Roadhouse 05 Sep 96 review Details Robyn Rorschach Re: Remixing Re: The Devil Went Down To Tampa New Album Groo(a)vy Deca(o)(y) precedents Re: Manchester Roadhouse 05 Sep 96 review Mlang inspired us (giant waste of time) Male train lost ------------------------------ From: jturner@rpms.ac.uk (Jonathan Turner) Subject: Re: New album news Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 8:47:16 BST John & family wrote: > Evidently Robyn did a Radcliffe Session for the BBC as well. Broadcast > date was 14 Aug 96, show is 20min long, and setlist is: De Chirico St., > Heliotrope, 1974. Robyn prefaced the song "1974" by saying "This is off > the new album which I'm going to record in October." (!!!!!) > Robyn the workaholic???? He'll be here in the states 2 weeks into > October, soooo.... I seem to recall him saying at one of the 12 Bar shows that he was going to record the album in New York, "in one day, on or about the 18th of October." Though I think he also said a while back that it would be recorded in Seattle (in one day). It would make sense for Demme to be around to film it, I would have thought. Does the 18th fit in with any US tour dates ? Jonathan. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:02:45 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Remixing I understand that the UK mix of Blue Oyster Cult's Club Ninja (widely reviled as their worst album, which gives you some idea) is quite different from the rest of the world mix. Plenty of 60s albums have totally different mono and stereo mixes, because the final track was done again at mixdown stage: for instance, the guitar solos on the mono and stereo versions of Traffic's 'Mr Fantasy' are different takes. Do you care? Do I care? - Mike Godwin "When I hear the word Opprobrium, I reach for my Dictionary" (MG 1996) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:15:31 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: New album news On Thu, 5 Sep 1996, John, Jacci, & Madison wrote: > Thanks to all the UK fegs for posting setlists and info for all the > appearances Robyn has made over the summer. If anyone has recordings of > any of this stuff, especially the Kaleidoscope BBC broadcast and ANY of the > 12 Bar gigs, please get in touch. I really want to hear this stuff. > > Evidently Robyn did a Radcliffe Session for the BBC as well. Broadcast > date was 14 Aug 96, show is 20min long, and setlist is: De Chirico St., > Heliotrope, 1974. Robyn prefaced the song "1974" by saying "This is off > the new album which I'm going to record in October." (!!!!!) Is this the same session as the songs broadcast on Kaleidoscope? Just curious. Incidentally, did you notice that Nigel Jarman posted the lyric to 1974 in his mammoth serial Bus post? - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 08:32:44 -0400 From: Victor Triola Subject: Feg Digest V4 #169 -Reply ** High Priority ** To My Fellow Macho Men: I do apologize if I offended anyone yesterday with my scathing condemnation of heterosexual males. This is certainly not a forum for misogynic venom. Was listening to Martin Newhall's brilliant new effort "The Off White Album" wherein he has a track ("Blue Beret") condemning the war in Yugoslavia and I can't get the image of this poor young Muslim girl who hanged herself after being gang-raped out of my tortured mind. Here on the east coast of America we are being battered by our weekly hurricane so these are the movies I'll be renting while I hunker down (in-between listening to "Radio Storm" of course): *"Crimes & Misdemeanors" (Woody Allen's best) *"Salome's Last Dance" (Ken Russell's best) *"Short Cuts" *"Crumb" *"In The Soup" (w/Steve Buscemi; a great movie RENT IT!) *"Straight Time" (1977 Dustin Hoffman crime caper) *"Debbie Does Basingstoke Since many Hitchcock geeks are also Split Enz geeks; has anyone heard "Enzso" where the Finn brothers re-recorded oldies like "Message To My Girl", "Dirty Creature" et al with a full orchestral score? It's amazing! To all my furry green atom-balled brethren: Chill, and have a nice weekend! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 07:31:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: Remixing ======== Original Message ======== I understand that the UK mix of Blue Oyster Cult's Club Ninja (widely reviled as their worst album, which gives you some idea) is quite different from the rest of the world mix. Plenty of 60s albums have totally different mono and stereo mixes, because the final track was done again at mixdown stage: for instance, the guitar solos on the mono and stereo versions of Traffic's 'Mr Fantasy' are different takes. Do you care? Do I care? - Mike Godwin "When I hear the word Opprobrium, I reach for my Dictionary" (MG 1996) ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== Please do not consider this opprobrious, MG, but I think the original question posed went something like this: has any other artist, UNHAPPY WITH THE ORIGINAL TREATMENT OF AN ALBUM, re-recorded, remixed and reordered the songs and released it again? there are different sounding versions of LOTS of albums...in the 60's I know Capitol dicked with the songs and mixes on a lot of the early Beatles records, but it wasn't because the Beatles themselves were unhappy with the original. I suspect the same is true for the BOC album (why would they fix up an album to solely for the UK?). Thanks for turning us on to an awful album, though. :) -russ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:58:57 -0500 From: mlang@inch.com (Steven Matrick) Subject: Album Poll Dear fegs, Is it strange that there was no reaction to the Album Poll? I haven't seen even one comment. Is it possible that people simply prefer arguing about Brian Wilson? Speaking of Brian Wilson, any Brian Wilson fans should buy High Llamas records. The High Llamas are Sean O' Hagan's (of Microdisney/Stereolab fame) new band. Their record, Gideon Gaye was certainly one of the best albums of 1995. I saw them in concert the other night and they were unbelievable. This years's follow up Hawaii, is long and complex but certainly worth the effort. Steven Matrick The Favorite Color ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:38:51 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Remixing On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Russ Reynolds wrote: > I think the original > question posed went something like this: > has any other artist, UNHAPPY WITH THE ORIGINAL TREATMENT OF AN ALBUM, > re-recorded, remixed and reordered the songs and released it again? Oh, right. I can certainly come up with at least one Captain Beefheart album - Strictly Personal - where Don indicated that he would really like to do a major remix, mainly to remove extensive phasing effects slapped on by Bob Krasnow. Although he never did so, the recent 'I may be hungry but I sure ain't weird' album contains sufficient outtakes and remixes to give an idea of how good it would have been - indeed, I have even seen it described as a reissue of Strictly Personal. It isn't, though, so I guess I have failed again... - Mike > Thanks for turning us on to an awful album, though. :) Any time! Other solidly grotty records include 'The Bodast Tapes' by Bodast; Bedlam's eponymous LP; 'Farewell Aldebaran' by Jerry Yester and Judy Henske; and any solo album by Twink. At least I never bought a Bonnie Tyler album... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 17:56:11 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Album Poll Results Dear Steven I'm sorry that after all your hard work you are disappointed with reactions to the album poll. I held off because some postings have been a bit brusque recently. But as you're asking, here's my two pennyworth. Fegs: Here I am in the 109 zone . . . get me on the radar screen and blast away with those flamethrowers! - Mike > 1. I Often Dream of Trains 314 Yes it's good, but it's not that good. The good tracks are great but the weak tracks are feeble - an album with FGAB on it is hardly perfect! > 2. Element of Light 257 Wonderful record. Should be number one. > 3. Eye 235 Why? 'Clean Steve' is OK as a sort of follow-up to 'Please Mrs Henry' but that's about it. Honestly, though, I couldn't face another debate about 'Eye'... > 4. Underwater Moonlight 229 Fabuloso! Whoever was citing hot tracks from this the other day missed 'Tonight', which is nice. > 5. Fegmania 168 Used to be one of my favourites, but there is something weedy about it: the production? the pressing that I've got? Anyway, I was listening to a live version of 'I'm Only You' which had a much better instrumental outro. > 6. Black Snake Diamond Role 127 See comments on 'Trains' above. Can't even remember which the feeble tracks are 'cos it's so long since I played it. I prefer the 'Hen' version of 'Acid Bird', anyway. > 7. Respect 125 Definitely a favourite of mine. 'Railway Shoes' should be a single. I even like that thwacky version of 'Arms of Love'... > 8. Queen Elvis 97 I am growing to like this more and more, especially OLPOE. > 9. Globe of Frogs 87 I quite like GoF, but it's runied by that 'Shapes and Animals' song, whatever it's called. And I don't rate 'Chinese Bones' as high as a lot of people seem to. "And in the corner after lunch they used to cluster in a bunch" is super - 'Devil Mask' that's what it's called. I think this is one of several RH albums which suffers from 'biglabelitis'. > 10. Invisible Hitchcock 81 See comments on BSDR above. > 11. Perspex Island 76 This one just sits on a shelf somewhere. > 12. Gotta Let This Hen Out 56 Terrific record. I just wish they had played 'It sounds great when you're dead'. > 13. You & Oblivion 49 Much too high a placing for an outtakes collection. Not even a real album, in my view. > 14. Invisible Hits 42 Is this the one with 'Astronomy Domine' on? Or the one with 'Rock'n'Roll Toilet'? > 15. Can of Bees 40 Is this the one with 'Sandra' and / or 'Betty' on it? (You can tell how long it is since I dug out my Soft Boys LPs). > 16. Groovy Decoy 38 Played this once, taped '52 Stations' and put it back on that shelf with PI. No, actually I put it on the shelf first and then added PI afterwards. > 17. Eaten by her Own Dinner 15 Not an LP. I wonder if I've got that 'plumbing' inner sleeve - must have a look... > 18 Kershaw Sessions 13 Sensational record (I bet all those 13 points are mine). Renders most of RH's other recent albums redundant, as nearly all the good songs are on it. Hot version of 'Madonna of the Wasps'. > 19. Portland Arms 9 This one is faultless, especially the saxophone - and the best version of 'Duke of Squeeze' that I have ever heard (also the only version I've heard, but that doesn't make it any worse). Should be well into the top 10. > 20. Raw Cuts 3 Don't know what this is. * * * * * * * * PS Any takers for a 'Swinging 60s' quiz? Watch this space: ................................................. . . . . . . . . . . ................................................. Fun, huh? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 11:47:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: Album Poll Results >> 14. Invisible Hits 42 > >Is this the one with 'Astronomy Domine' on? Or the one with 'Rock'n'Roll >Toilet'? there are two versions? If you have them both would you care to forward the label/catalog number/track listing for each? and while I've got your attention, I agree with you that Y&O shouldn't count as a real album...neither should Invisible Hitchcock (which I love, by the way) or Invisible Hits (well, maybe), for the same reasons. For that matter, I don't consider "Kershaw" a real album either (though I agree it's a great collection). Or GLTHO, just because I don't consider live albums real albums (unless they contain all new material like some of FZ's did)... and for the record I don't think GLTHO is really a very good live album...I mean, I love all the tunes, but (save SIWIWAPG) I prefer the "real album" versions of every one. And where's all that 'tween song banter that makes Hitchcock shows so special? The proverbial boat was missed there. BTW, pull BSDR off your shelf and give it another listen, then tell me what the "feeble" tracks are. I can't seem to find any. "Tonight" IS a great song, if lyrically kind of silly ("I'll be there with a very long nose"?) Wasn't "Sounds Great When You're Dead" on the GLTHO video? I think it may also have ended up on the cassette version of the album, or on one of the 12" releases that came out back then. That one ROCKED live! -rr ------------------------------ From: Critica@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:33:26 -0400 Subject: K Records help Hi all! Could someone please re-post the mailing address for ordering the "I Something You" single from K? I appreciate the help. Cheers, Becky critica@aol.com ------------------------------ From: "Aaron J. Sparrow" Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 15:45:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Album Poll Results > BTW, pull BSDR off your shelf and give it another listen, then tell me what > the "feeble" tracks are. I can't seem to find any. "Meat" is about the only feeble song, but the whole second side save for "Acid Bird" is nice but not great. Also, there is "something weedy" about the production (as Mike Godwin put it referring to Fegmania!). I think I remember reading that the mix was sped up, which might account for some of that. In any case, there's a kind of wimpy feel to the album, which doesn't seem to do some of the songs justice, especially "Acid Bird". Responding to the Album Poll, the thing that surprised me most was how low Invisible Hits and Can of Bees scored. They were both ranked far below Eye, Perspex Island, Respect, Globe of Frogs and Queen Elvis, each of which has taken a beating from various Fegsters. Ain't anyone a Soft Boys fan? Those albums are loaded with great songwriting, wonderful guitar work, awe-inspiring harmonies and some of the wittiest lyrics ever written. Is anyone else bowled over by "The Rat's Prayer"? Moving on, I understand that you don't want to get into a debate about Eye, Mike, but Shame on You. Shame Shame Shame! Oh...and take that! "Clean Steve"?!!! That's practically an extra track. Ohhh...now you've gone and gotten me all flustered! Aaron Aaron J. Sparrow Research Assistant Population Studies Center The Urban Institute 2100 M Street, NW Washington, DC 20037 (202) 857-8510 ------------------------------ From: Ella Guru Subject: The Devil Went Down To Tampa Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:30:29 -0700 At 03:52 02.09.96 -0400, Terrence M Marks wrote: >Besides..the Christian right isn't composed of idiots >who see the word "devil" somewhere and start denouncing it.....really. Maybe not, but weren't some fundamentalist Christian groups up in arms when it was announced that the new Tampa Bay baseball team had been named the 'Devil Rays'? That's there in your part of the world, Terry, so you can correct if I am wrong. --g "Art should not be judged. Maybe someday these award shows will celebrate our differences and diversity rather than serving as a competition between us all." --Alanis Morrisette, who seemed to contradict herself by accepting two MTV Video Music Awards Wednesday night. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Glen E. Uber glen@metro.net http://metro.net/glen/ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: ! Subject: Re: K Records help On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 Critica@aol.com wrote: > Could someone please re-post the mailing address for ordering the "I > Something You" single from K? I appreciate the help. from K's website (http://www.olywa.net/kpunk/) PO Box 7154, Olympia, WA 98507, FAX (360) 786-5024 To order: drop us a note with payment and include: Artist/Title Format: cd, cs, lp Alternate choices Name and address to send it to. Washington State residents add 8.1% sales tax. For US orders, prices include postage. Canada/Mexico add $.50 per item for shipping. Overseas orders add $3.50 for first item and $1.5 for each additional item for airmail or $2.00 for first item and $1.00 for each additional item for surface mail. whew! ROBYN HITCHCOCK "I Something You" $3.75 (IPU 55) -- oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug -- dmayowel@access.digex.net a.k.a. dougmhyphw@aol.com -- get yr recently updated pathos at http://www.mwmw.com/pathetic/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Sep 96 15:49:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: Album Poll Results >> BTW, pull BSDR off your shelf and give it another listen, then tell me >what >> the "feeble" tracks are. I can't seem to find any. > >"Meat" is about the only feeble song, but the whole second side save >for "Acid Bird" is nice but not great. Also, there is "something >weedy" about the production (as Mike Godwin put it referring to >Fegmania!). I think I remember reading that the mix was sped up, >which might account for some of that. In any case, there's a kind of >wimpy feel to the album, which doesn't seem to do some of the songs >justice, especially "Acid Bird". Wimpy? Guess we just don't see eye to Eye on this. To me, BSDR is his ballsiest sounding post-SB's record, hands down, and "Meat" is without a doubt the ballsiest tune on the record. Granted, it's pretty much just standard blues, but I don't see how someone one who's got such an appreciation for the Soft Boys could find a rip-roaring guitar frenzy (isn't Kimberley on that track?) like "Meat" to be *feeble*! "Acid Bird" IS missing a little beef in the midrange--I'll give you that--but the song nonetheless holds up as one of his best, IMO. I'll defend ANY of the songs on BSDR--go ahead, fire those titles at me! -rr ------------------------------ From: "Christine Du Bois" Subject: Re: I am not militant, really! Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:02:48 -0700 Firstly, I m/st say that my keyboard is driving me batty. ARGH! Three Cheers For Christine Du Bois! | | (a.k.a."Schlong-less In Seattle") SAY WHAT! Er, this is a rather strange greeting....not certain that I like it, either....let me think abo/t this one.... I am that rare animal -- a straight male | who realizes that 96% of the fuck-ups in the world are other straight | males. More often than not, yes. There are those occasional exceptions of course -- Mr. | Hitchcock; Homer Simpson; Ray Davies; Tim & Neil Finn I'd tend to agree here! -- but I live by the | credo I once saw on a button worn by a rather butch gal on a Manhattan | bus: "They sent a man to the moon; why can't they send all of them?" I know some *femmes* who wear the same exact one. | Loud and proud scissor sister -- you go on girl! Next time some | wooly-scrotumed jerk-off cuts me off on the Long Island Expressway I'll | be thinking of you! P.S.: Are you voting for Bob Dole? Whoa, whoa! Wait a min/te! I castrate only those who REALLY deserve this fate, not dildos who merely c/t me off on Interstate 5! J/st beca/se I'm a lesbian does NOT a/tomatically mean I want to kill or maim any and every man! Bob Dole! Are yo/ insane!!! | Subject: RE: Hurrah for dykes! THIS s/bject line I can dig.... | | Yes, hurrah for dykes! And for homos and for straights, too! Why the | self-loathing? This polarization is good for nobody. In fact, I think | that there's more of a continuous range of sexual orientation | (NOT preferences, that's different). Are all gays 100% gay? Are all | straights 100% straight? Does this make them good or bad? | This sort of oversimplification is the sort of tactic that bigots use, | and I don't think it's a valid tactic for anyone. Act/ally, I'd tend to agree here as well. I define myself as lesbian, b/t I wo/ld not say that I am 100% homosex/al. At heart, I *am* bisex/al. | | Most of my friends could be labeled straight, and they're not jerks. I | don't seek out the comany of jerks. I can't believe that 43% of the | human population is comprised of jerks. Maybe the jerks seem to be more | numerous because they're so damned loud and make life difficult for the | rest of us. Hmmm, indeed. Sometimes I moan and whine abo/t straight folk, b/t q/ite often I enco/nter non-heterosex/al folk who incite scorn and f/ry. | | Anyway, I'd like to join Victor in welcoming you to the group, Christine. | You certainly seem like an interesting person. Then again, you might | be a 12 year old straight male computer geek with a pocket protector. | Isn't the internet wonderful? Believe me, I am NOT a 12-year-old het male. That's my idea of hell. (Oh dear, I think I j/st goofed!) If yo/ contin/e to disbelieve, then look at the COYOTE site and yo/ will find f/rther evidence of my gender. | Bright blessings, Christine Du Bois Unabashed Sacred Whore, Loud and Proud Lesbian, and Public Relations Director COYOTE/Seattle: The Sex Workers Rights Organization http://www.coyotesea.org NOTE: We do NOT provide sex worker referrals! ******************************************************************** Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman... ******************************************************************** ------------------------------ From: ZeroSummer@aol.com Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 20:07:07 -0400 Subject: Greatest Hits Well, neato. Am I just out of it, or did the A & M greatest hits CD sneak up on everyone? I knew this would be a quality music day because of Lisa Germano and R.E.M., but Robyn was a bonus. Anyway, I'm not sure if the roster was discussed, so here it is if not. Balloon Man Vibrating Flesh #1 Globe of Frogs (electric) (Cool! On CD!) Legalized Murder Live intro to One Long Pair of Eyes (I have this somewhere.) One Long Pair of Eyes Madonna of the Wasps Wax Doll More Than This Ruling Class So You Think You're in Love Oceanside Ride She Doesn't Exist Dark Green Energy Eight Miles High Driving Aloud The Yip Song Alright Yeah (from '93) Bright Fresh Flower Yeah, most of these songs are in their LP versions, but I think it's worthwhile if you don't have the B-sides, Invisible History or other scattered ribbons. Now . . . onto other new stuff. =) --Joe P. S. Eye rules! Nyah! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Sep 1996 20:32:25 GMT From: Rob Collingwood Subject: Manchester Roadhouse 05 Sep 96 review The night started off with another excellent set from Homer, I prefer the fully equipped version to the minimalist drumless version seen at the 12-Bar. This was the best performance I've ever seen from Robyn. He was really into it and played several classics as well as a couple of extended monologues. It began in the same way as the recent 12-Bar gigs with Robyn playing solo acoustic. He started with ANTWOMAN, the only completely new song in the set. Not much melody to my ears, but perhaps it will grow on me. Then onto DE CHIRICO ST. 'This is one Hendrix wrote before he even died. He was that prolific' and into THE WIND CRIES MARY. 'This is the song missing from Frank Sinatra's duets album' followed by a bit of a monologue then, to my surprise, MY WIFE AND MY DEAD WIFE then straight into BEAUTIFUL GIRL. Around this time my wife fainted due to a combination of the heat and having donated a pint of blood a few hours earlier, so I was a little distracted at this point. Robyn switched here to his electric guitar and into I AM NOT ME. He then introduced the members of Homer to the audience and they launched into a selection of Robyn's greatest works. First we had ACID BIRD then THE CARS SHE USED TO DRIVE. I've never seen Robyn with the Egyptians, only heard various live stuff eg GTLTHO, so I don't know how well it would compare but at the time it seemed very good. It makes a change for me to see Robyn with bass and drums behind him. 'This may be released as a single. It's one of the most normal things I've ever heard let alone written.' and a monologue about roast potatoes into ALRIGHT, YEAH straight into BEAUTIFUL QUEEN followed by IF YOU WERE A PRIEST. At this point Robyn got fed up with his amp and switched back to the acoustic. Still with Homer into QUEEN OF EYES (definitely Mucky :-) ). The last song in the main set was OCEANSIDE. After a short interval back came Robyn solo and acoustic and played HEAVEN then an extended version of I GOT A MESSAGE FOR YOU. Back came Homer and we had THE DEVIL'S RADIO and the evening was finished off with a song that I am completely at a loss to identify. A blues song, not one of Robyn's I think, lyrics included 'I ride on the mail train baby.....' 'I've been up all night leaning on the windowsill, well' 'and if I die on top of a hill, Lord if I don't make it you know my baby will.' That must be enough for someone to be able to identify it. I missed the trousers, but the shirts were white and black check with a circular pattern on it and for the encore a yellow shirt with green lizards. I would heartily recommend anyone who can get to one of the shows with Homer to do so, they really add to Robyn's performance. It's a shame the 12-Bar stage is too small for the drum kit as it makes a big difference. PS My wife recovered quite quickly. -- Rob Collingwood Warrington, Cheshire, England ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 01:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Details Robyn Rorschach Well, here's the Details article about Robyn. I can't very well do Inkblot-to-ASCII, so.. Picture One: A pair of Indonesian flesh piggies climbing up a haunted streetlamp. They'll get to the top and kiss candy. Picture Two: Two fetuses watching an obelisk whilst receiving religious instruction that says "God is your father." Picture Three: Pat Buchanan having an orgasm. Picture Four: English countryside by moonlight, with a skull balloon drifting over it. (That's probably what everyone said) Picture Five: That's somebody performing what we know as the Two Prawns. It's best done in hotels. Picture Six: Arnold Schwarzenegger punching his way out of a dream Analysis: Robyn's psyche is operating on overdrive and he doesn't know how to turn it off - which is an excellent thing for mental health. I want to know this person. -------------- Well, any professionals want to draw their own opinion? Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 01:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Remixing THis was written by: [Stupid thing won't put signatures at the bottom..] Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, M R Godwin wrote: > Plenty of 60s albums have totally different mono and stereo mixes, because > the final track was done again at mixdown stage: for instance, the guitar > solos on the mono and stereo versions of Traffic's 'Mr Fantasy' are > different takes. Pink Floyd's "The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn" was one of these also..Two different mixes of "Flaming", if anyone cares. ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 01:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The Devil Went Down To Tampa On Fri, 6 Sep 1996, Ella Guru wrote: > At 03:52 02.09.96 -0400, Terrence M Marks wrote: > > >Besides..the Christian right isn't composed of idiots > >who see the word "devil" somewhere and start denouncing it.....really. > > Maybe not, but weren't some fundamentalist Christian groups up in arms when > it was announced that the new Tampa Bay baseball team had been named the > 'Devil Rays'? That's there in your part of the world, Terry, so you can > correct if I am wrong. Dunno. I'm sure that some people were unhappy with the name. Some people don't like the devil. Go figure. Anyhow, the team did NOT skyrocket to #1 success due to media hubbub. No one, apparently, really cared. (Also, it's tough to denounce baseball as evil. No matter what happens, it's just one of those things) Terrence "The Human Mellotron" Marks ------------------------------ From: Terrence M Marks Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 02:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: New Album No new album this year. I don't have on official source, but Robyn has yet to record more than one studio album per year. [Gravy Decoy wasn't studio. It was demos. Mossy Liqour doesn't count]. While he has enough stuff (Surfer Ghost, Shadowcat, Guildford, I Dream of Antwoman, 1974, and a couple others..) he won't. That's how he works. Oblig: We got hookers on the mailing list! Woohoo! We got hookers on the mailing list! [dances] Woohoo! We got flamers on the mailing list too! Woohoo! We got flamers! Sorry about that...it's just that our football team recently trashed Southwest Louisiana, and I wanted to get some friends together and tear down the College of Engineering in celebration. I couldn't find any of them, so I'm doing this instead. I'm just feeling so *militant* [does a Jim Carrey sort of dance to accentuate] ps: I mean flamers as in people who post inflammatory messages. What are my views on homosexuality? If you want to know ask me. I'd bet Underwater Moonlight to Perspex Island that there are people on this list who disagree, but this isn't the place for it. Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks normal@grove.ufl.edu ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 04:09:42 -0400 Subject: Groo(a)vy Deca(o)(y) precedents Susan, dearest beloved Susan, asks about list preferences vis-a-vis the conflicting ML/ME versions of "Beautiful Queen". Various others have ventured their "ideal" album comprised of ME/ML tracks... Well, my ideal album would contain both immortal versions of "BQ", possibly bookending the whole thing as Neil Young has done with no less than three of his "official" releases... Susan, dearest beloved Susan, also suggests that Robyn's forthcoming studio recordings might show up on a Demme soundtrack album. Gotta hope so. As much as I've been warming up to the current pair of records, "live" recordings would have served the past three years worth of RH material far better, as that's how they were developed and gestated and became known to us. If that seems like too many versions of the same songs to you, let me support the Blatzman's "let's have Robyn sell some records" attitude-- I don't have any figures in front of me, but I would guess that "Stop Making Sense", the soundtrack to a Demme film, is the best selling Talking Heads album ever-- nest'ce pas, listgoing record co. weasels? And 40% of said soundtrack repeats the tracks of Talking Heads previous studio release. And the Heads release before THAT was ALSO a live recording with a number of tracks in commmom with "SMS"... in fact, from 1979 to 1984 the band released SIX albums, none of which fail to share a song within one degree of separation from another. If we can get a Robyn collection to sell so well and be so representative... well, I hesitate to show my colors as an adoptive Californian, but... cool. On another, but oddly related topic, someone mentions: "also brian eno & david byrne deleted and replaced one of the tracks on _my life with (actually "in"- Rx) the bush of ghosts (or whatever)_ for some reason i can't recall" Had this on cassette and recently got the CD. A relatively forgettable track was replaced with an EQUALLY forgettable track. All the essential stuff was left intact. Does anyone know what gives? OTHER "GR(A)OOVY DEC(A)OY" "Multiple -Release" PRECEDENTS: Nico's 1981 "Drama of Exile" has alledgedly been issued in two completely different forms: a Dutch release of the "real" album rereleased on CD by Cleopatra in 1993, and a brief release in 1983 of the same songs rerecorded by the same personnel after Nico had sold the original masters of the album for drug money, before they were repossessed by the record company for the "official" release. Big Star's third album, the title of which nobody can agree upon, has been released many, many times under various titles (most recently Rhino's CD release as "Third/Sister Lovers"). Who knows what the real deal on this one is... The CD and casette versions of Tom Verlaine's 1984 "Cover" album have a different track sequence; the cassette also has an additional track and a longer version or another track. The eponymous Crowded House album has a differnent track sequence in every possible configuration. e.g. The CD has an extra track over the vinyl version and is, in terms of sequence, a version closer, but not identical, to the Australasian version. Also, look at the catalogs of many major artists who had different US/UK labels during the '60's. Granted, these decisions are more commercial than artistic... but nonetheless, the fact that I have at one time or another owned FOUR DIFFERENT copies of an album by the Beatles entitled "Rubber Soul" and not a SINGLE ONE of them has had the same track listing or sequence must count for SOMETHING! Rex PS-- before I get SLAMMED, FLAMED or otherwise PUMMELED for posting off-topic-- somebody ASKED if any other albums had received multiple releases like the ROBYN HITCHCOCK albums "Groovy Decoy", "Groovy Decay", and "Gravy Deco" have. I've listed a few that uncontestably have had such multiple releases. Direct any disputes to me personally. Keep the Feg list happy. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 06:44:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Roseann Cappella Subject: Re: Manchester Roadhouse 05 Sep 96 review "I ride on the mail train......etc". I'm pretty sure I first heard that song back around 1964 (?) by a NYC band called "The Blues Project". Don't remember the members, maybe Al Cooper was one of them. Bob Weidner ------------------------------ From: "(The Rooneys)" Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:03:27 +0000 Subject: Mlang inspired us (giant waste of time) Proposed Poll: There are 15 candidates and you get thrice that in love points and half that in over-rated points to distribute. An average of three stars per album seems appropriate for a fan-list. 45 Love Points:. This allows you to vote for all the albums, tries to force you to consider all the albums, and lets you give albums equal weight if you think they are equally deserving. Results will be summed and listed in single biased results. 7.5 Over-rated Points: Counter-act an album you like, but genuinely don't understand how others LOVE it. You need not use these points at all, if you feel all RH albums are worthy of divinity. These will be subtracted from the results and listed in doubled-biased results. Note that a number of really good albums have been kept off the main list, as not everyone has equal access to them (Mossy Liquor, Two Halves, Soft Boys `76-'81 etc.) or as they are Live (Gotta Let This Hen Out, Portland Arms, Netsurfer Ghost, etc.). For those of you who want to include these and want to show how cool it is that you own and love them, submit two separate lists. One "Available" list and one "Rare & Live (& Available)" list. Give yourself an extra two love points and .5 over-rated points for every album that you include in your "RLA" list. Results will be listed as single and doubly-biased RLA results; and an attempt will be made to project where they could've fallen if everyone owned them. Time limit. Long. People should be given enough time to properly consider the albums. I'll post results when 50 votes are in (a number we magnanimously deem as statistically significant), or August 23rd rolls around again. Here's a List of the readily Available candidates that come to mind: Soft Boys: Can of Bees, Invisible Hits, Underwater Moonlight Non-SB's: Black Snake Diamond Role, Element of Light, Eye, Fegmania, Globe of Frogs, Groovy D's, I Often Dream of Trains, Moss Elixir, Perspex Isle, Queen Elvis, Respect, You and Oblivion If people have suggestions as to how to make this a better poll, please submit them now. We'll "officially" post the rules and candidates after you have had some input. - Bill & Anna ------------------------------ From: LORDK@library.phila.gov Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 10:09:51 -0400 (EDT) CC: LORDK@library.phila.gov Subject: Male train lost Gee-al Cooper--didnt he used to play with..... Im sorry , but my age is showing---the track in question is by Dylan, off highway 61 revisted, cant remember the name (said my age was showing), and is immortal. And the last line is very Robyn-- Dont say I didnt warn you, when youre train got lost. Sigh. So much for nostalgia. Hello. earlier I tried to send a message(but my computer got lost) saying that I think the reed influence is extremelly salutary for Robyn. For all their apparent differences--they're both after pretty much the same thing(at their best): the perfect pop song which opens up into infinity. so let Robyn listen to and steal from him. they're both into constructing Tardises--, songs that look like ordinary street furniture at first gander, but which are garunteed to be bigger on the inside than the outside once you open the door. Besides ,I would love to see them in concert together--Lou on rhythem, Robyn on lead--trading stories, quips and songs--one in his low,tough neyawka accent, the other camping up his fruity chinful wonderfullness. And they'd both smoke. And drink bourbon from tea-cups. Yeah! Other than that--Im glad someone brought uo " Tonight". Its one of my favorite songs hes ever wriiten( and having a very long nose myself, may I point out that its a perfect metaphor for people who are nosey, curious, intelligent, and apt to nose around in what may not really be their business(op cite Chinatown). Anyway, its one of a handfull of songs and poems which I call"Taliesien" works. Meaning works whose main identity is founded on the fluidity of identity. "Only You" is another example out of the robyn canon, as is alot of the stuff on ME. the reason I use "Taliesen" for this motif is because there are a bunch of old welsh poems under this moniker which deal with this theme. Robert Graves in the white Goddess(Im showing my age again), highlights them as demonstraiting the basic gift and problem of the poet. Keats touched on it with his idea of negative capacity. And Shakespeare was really nobody but the creatures in his plays, right? Wrong? Anyway--fluidity of identity is a "issue" in my own life, and it helps alot when people of Robyns(and Lous) caliber write about it with wit and insight. Kay, the Im not me, Cap ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .