From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #167 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 167 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- another song similarity Tull and others Howard and Robyn and Frank Re: another song similarity ML in NY Re: Heliotrope my love.... Single porter seeks return of toast Non-Robyn opinion, many times over cd singles commercial success Re: Cd singles Re: commercial success Re: commercial success heliotrope, my love Re: Single porter seeks return of toast ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:45:09 -0800 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: another song similarity speaking of song similarities (okay, I know, we weren't)... last night I put on the Velvet Underground's "Live MCMXCIII" album. As Mo began singing Afterhours, my mind started going "hmmm..." I listened to "Afterhours", then put on Netsurfer Ghost and listened to "I something You". Then I listened to Afterhours again. Then I listened to I something You. Distinct similarities. I though at first it was just that they were in an identical key (a hazard of having near perfect pitch is that I can spot a "similarity" between two songs simply becaused they are in the same key!), but the more I listened, the more I was convinced that the songs bear a much closer similarity to each other than that. James ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 15:45:58 -0800 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Tull and others Eugene took some scrabble tiles, and threw them in the air. When they landed, they read - >Someone mentioned their first RH record, and it made me think how odd it >is that I fell in love with the first RH I heard [...] It's esspecially >odd because other music I was into was stuff like Aerosmith and Motley >Crue. I think I might have been into Jethro Tull a lot too, actually. >Either way, I was heavy into the Crue, and it's amazing how imediately I >fell in love with Robyn, and that I wasn't listening to anything even >remotely similar. Just a thought. Bye. Eugene, if you were listening to Tull, it's no surprise you fell for Robyn's music. In some warped way they are both part of the quirky pseudo-folky quintessentially-English rock music continuum. I am a big JT fan even today, and can easily imagine Robyn singing One Brown Mouse, or Songs from the Wood, or even Black Sunday. And I would LOVE to hear Ian Anderson and co sing The Black Crow Knows --- someone purporting to be the Blatzman wrote: >B:-)L:-)A:-)T:-)M:-)A:-)N hmmm. a forgery, I suspect! --- as for Robynesque brews, make mine a Black Snake Double-Diamond Role! (is this a Kimberley (B)rew?) James ------------------------------ From: "James Isaacs" Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 11:31:05 CET-1CST Subject: Howard and Robyn and Frank Speaking of fantastical writers, last week I had the privelage to visit the grave of Franz Kafka, in Prague. Had to wear a yarmulke and everything. Very interesting place. So, after a week's absence, is there anybody still out there? James ------------------------------ From: ZeroSummer@aol.com Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 10:42:37 -0400 Subject: Re: another song similarity Wow! I never noticed that about "I Something You," and I have always treasured "Afterhours." So . . . how much evidence has been accumulated for Robyn overdoing the Reed influence? =) ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 11:19:36 EDT Subject: ML in NY If anyone in the NY area can't find ML, they had 2 left in Towers Records in Nyack. -- Ross Overbury email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 11:21:50 EDT Subject: Re: Heliotrope my love.... 'Isaac Newton' said > > Heliotrope my love.... > > While drifting off to sleep a few nights ago, I started pondering on this > tune. A beautiful song (although the lack of the backround harmonies on > Elixir reminds me of the similar problem with Anthology II's 'Strawberry > Fields' demo, another beautiful song in which the absense of the original > backround vocals is felt), I let me semi-conscious state suggest meaning > to it... > > the amazing thing is the actual structure of the tune. First, the sun, > numeralogically/kabbalistically, is related to the number 6. Count the feet > of the first line: 6 syllables. This metrical foot forms the basis of the > song: > > Heliotrope my love (6), her face to the heavens (6) > < many sixes, near-sixes, and rather six-like entities clipped out here> Or it could be a reference to the Anti-Christ. Yeah, that's it.... the Son! Yeah, and she WORSHIPS him! But who is she? PS: I sent this by mistake to Mr. Newton himself. I meant to post it instead. Sorry about the unsolicited email, "Isaac"! -- Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca -- Ross Overbury Senior Operations Officer, Software CN Rail Signals and Communications, Laurentian District 2nd floor, 1060 University St. Montreal, Quebec, Canada TEL: (514) 399-8070 FAX: (514) 399-6725 email: rosso@cn.ca EMC2: OVERBURY ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 1996 10:23:13 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Single porter seeks return of toast Back from the holiday. Just catching up on recent digests... 1) The singles/commercial success question: I started out agreeing with Blatzman's selection of potential singles, but then started to think: Who buys singles these days? Certainly no-one I know. Shouldn't commercial success be judged by radio airplay of album tracks? Can some of you radio station types comment? Jay, Russ? 2) Mossy Porter: There seems to be a Bay Area Focus to this beer thing. Perhaps there is an opportunity for some of us to meet prior to the next SF gig to sample some Elixir contenders? (Fire up those wort chillers guys!) 3) Re-recording examples: In the early 70's a certain African musician from Ivory Coast called Daouda recorded an album "Le Sentimental" in a tiny two-bit recording studio in Sierra Leone. It turned out to be a huge hit but the sound quality was shitty (to say the least!). With money from his initial success Daouda flew all the original musicians to Paris and re-recorded the entire album, note-for-note, in a glitzy Paris studio. (If you see it, check it out. It's a great record.) 4) Toast: Loved your last post, Tracy! Keep 'em coming. -Nick (The sig-less) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Sep 96 13:04:57 EDT From: KeN SaBaTiNi Subject: Non-Robyn opinion, many times over On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 18:55:49 -0400 Blatzman@aol.com said: >> >>And please people, if you disagree with me, send it to the list. I've been >>getting some very condescending hate mail from free speech champions who >>aren't happy with my point of view. I know, its great fun to spit on >>somebody when nobody's watching. Beware minority, the majority won't >>hesitate to PERSONALLY disparage you. Hmm, I wonder whether these people are really the minority? Kidding of course. I agree that people ought not to stalk one another off-list (or on-list for that matter) but I think there are a lot of topics which are more appropriate for person-to-person than person-to-person-via-the-list. While there is always the possibility that any post (no matter how un Robyn related it is) may be interesting to someone, I think many postings can easily be determined to be intended for 1 person. In such cases, why not post to that single person? (I realize this is already the way many people do business here.) I think offensive postings are more easy to ignore when they are posted directly to an individual rather than to the list, since the the recipient is not put in the position of having to "save Face" in front of the list and come up with an even more scathing attack for the sender. As Susan stated: >>Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 11:10:26 -0500 (CDT) >>From: sdodge@inforel.com (Susan Dodge) >> >>(. . .) having >>received attacks both private and public since joining the list, I'd have >>to say I prefer the private ones- the private ones I can just kill and only >>I see them- they are only annoying to me, not to the 300 other listmembers, >>the vast majority of whom really couldn't care less what one other >>listmember thinks of my taste in music or views on free speech :). >> >>Susan And, Says Bayard: >>From: Bayard >> >>A question for you, Mr David Santos Blatzman: how are the posts from your >>detractors any more relevant/less annoying than any other post that is not >>100% interesting to 100% of the list, eg: >> >>Tabs. Lyrics. Tour Information. My posts. Your posts. Posts with 0-99% Robyn >>content. This post. Friendly talk. Flames. >> >>You're REQUESTING that people post off-topic! I thought you only wanted >>to read robyn info each day, not clutter the list with irrelvant >>self-referential stuff. Make up yer mind! >> >>IMO we should can the self-consciousness and self-analysis and just get on >>with it. Fuck censorship, those who don't like what others have to say >>can learn to use a killfile, switch to digest and DEAL with it. Does this mean I should start forwarding mail from the SEM List (Structural Equations Modeling) to the Feg list, on the off-chance that some list member may wish to use this information to test their path model of bands influencing Robyn's music or the way life events have contributed to the content of specific records? BTW, I don't understand how I can simultaneously use a kill file and switch to digest, as suggested above. Wouldn't a kill file kill or not kill the *entire* digest of the day if any*single*file within it had an offending term?--since the digest version is seen as a single email (even though it is a compilation of multiple messages). Speaking of digest, does anyone else feel that being a digest member makes them feel like a more distant member of the list? Bayard: >>That's the last I'M going to say about it-- post or reply email, but I'm >>not going to post about this again. Shit, this means you can't answer my question about killfiles! ;-) Why do I feel the need to comment on things discussed two or three days ago that clearly offer no Robyn material nor anything to encourage discussion about his stuff and risk offending several of the most frequent and vitriolic posters on the list? Not sure ... guess I like watching myself type. Over and out Big Daddy, ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ken Sabatini The value of the average conversation Dept. of Psychology could be enormously improved by the University of Georgia constant use of four simple words: Athens, GA "I do not know." -Andre Maurois ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ From: firstcat@lsli.com Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 14:08:57 Subject: cd singles Someone asked who bought singles, well I'm a single junkie...anyone else notice the big jump in cd-single prices over the last couple of months? They have almost hit the price of the full cd in Houston....10 to 14 bucks.... jay ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall Channel Sales Director Livermore Software Laboratories, Intl. 2825 Wilcrest, Suite 160 Houston, Texas 77042-3358 1-713-974-3274 jay@lsli.com Date: 9/3/96 "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals; I'm a vegetarian because I hate plants." --A. Whitney Brown ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 12:49:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: commercial success Nick: >1) The singles/commercial success question: I started out agreeing with >Blatzman's selection of potential singles, but then started to think: Who >buys singles these days? Certainly no-one I know. Shouldn't commercial >success be judged by radio airplay of album tracks? >Can some of you radio station types comment? Jay, Russ? Russ: The way I see it commercial success of an album is judged by sales of said album. Radio airplay goes a long way toward boosting album sales. Radio airplay generally begins with a single from the album ("emphasis track") which radio programers are urged to "add" by record company weasels (if there are any record company weasels on this list, consider that a term of endearment). Album tracks seldom get airplay unless the single takes off. I gather from Jay's previous postings that he does things a little differently, which is refreshing. rr ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Tue, 3 Sep 96 16:09:59 EDT Subject: Re: Cd singles Jay Lyall wrote: > > Someone asked who bought singles, well I'm a single junkie...anyone else notice the big > jump in cd-single prices over the last couple of months? They have almost hit the price of > the full cd in Houston....10 to 14 bucks.... > I just paid $3.25 for some current CD singles at Wal Mart in upstate NY. $5.something is what I have been seeing in the shops around there. I don't buy CD singles here in Montreal because I have found they cost nearly as much as full CD's. What should be a fair price for a single? -- Ross Overbury email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 14:10:29 -0700 (PDT) From: "Trixie, Bunny and Peaches" Subject: Re: commercial success hello all-- first of of this whole idea of robyn on the radio has been furthered to great cause here in my new home of the great basin as a local radio station 'featured' ME and played most all of the tracks. interesting, considering that the album is hard to get, even at the major chains. you can hear it but you can't buy it. anyway, about radio and radio types. can the radio types keep the list [or, me :) ] informed of the promotional items associated with robyn that hit their desks. this could prove useless or helpful, depending on the stuff involved. > Russ: > (if > there are any record company weasels on this list, consider that a term of > endearment). this begs the question, "is there anyone from WBR or even A&M or rhino on the list?" another list that i am on these people to play a fairly small role in some information spreading for the masses, but it is important. just wondering. cheers, .chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 21:51:36 -0400 From: sister ernestine Subject: Re: commercial success also sprach "Trixie, Bunny and Peaches" : > this begs the question, "is there anyone from WBR or >even A&M or rhino on the list?" not explicitly. there may be some employees of said organizations subscribed under personal accounts, but no one is subscribed from wbr.com or amrecords.com or rhino.com (or where ever they are). +w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:02:58 -0400 From: sister ernestine Subject: heliotrope, my love over the weekend, i was reading something (sheesh, i've already forgotten what it was) and, much to my astonishment, discovered that a heliotrope is a flower. maybe this comes as no surprise to the botanists amongst us, but this petroleum engineer cum computer hack was flabbergasted (although i suppose it should have been obvious as vegetation isn't too far behind sealife and death on robyn's list of lief (hah hah) motifs). for the sake of those who don't have webster handy: heliotrope n. 1 a. obs: a plant that turns towards the sun. b: any of a genus (Heliotropium) of herbs or shrubs of the borage family -- compare GARDEN HELIOTROPE. 2: BLOODSTONE. 3 a:a vareiable color averaging a moderate purple. b: a moderate reddish purple woj ps. heliotrope remains the best song on ml/me, though i prefer the mossy liquor version sans the outro instrumental. pps. james dignan's "partial rapture theory" is pretty cool! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 1996 22:14:18 -0400 From: sister ernestine Subject: Re: Single porter seeks return of toast also sprach Nick Winkworth : >1) The singles/commercial success question: I started out agreeing with >Blatzman's selection of potential singles, but then started to think: Who >buys singles these days? Certainly no-one I know. Shouldn't commercial >success be judged by radio airplay of album tracks? judging by the number of singles that are still released these days, i'd say that their sales are still a measure of commercial success. singles are also extremely important in the video arena, where "emphasis track" understates the investment record companies put into the filming of a video. however, cd singles are a more popular format for genres like dance and rap. vinyl singles are beginning to enjoy a small comeback for some rock bands on major labels who have roots on labels which never gave up on the 7" 45 rpm record (witness pearl jam's recent 7" single release or even _mossy liquor_). another singleslut, woj ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .