From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #165 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 165 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Remixing Re: Remixing Re: We're Only In It For $ Re: Album Poll Results What's happened to me? If you want to please me, ya got's ta CHEESE me! Julian Cope's The Skellington Chronicles Re: Groovy Dec*y Re: Robyn's Business Degree, flushed down the rocknroll toilet Lisa Germano Re: Groovy Dec*y Re: If you want to please me, ya got's ta CHEESE me! Re: Zappa + Moss Re: Robyn's Business Degree, flushed down the rocknroll toilet Last Temptation of Robyn They threw bottles at Robyn...!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 16:52:39 -0700 From: gondola@deltanet.com (E.B.) Subject: Re: Remixing >From: Long Duk Dong > >_Groovy Dec*y_ brings up another question: Has any other artist, >dissatisfied with an earlier-released product, re-released a totally >remixed, resequenced version of the album? Album sequels, such as Meatloaf's >"Bat Out Of Hell II" and Neil Young's "Harvest Moon" don't count. > >I think Peter Gabriel did something along those lines with _Security_ and >the soundtrack to _Birdy_, didn't he? I believe that Split Enz released Mental Notes, and then Phil Manzanera remixed it and it was released again? Correct? I wouldn't put Security/Birdy in this category. Different deal. E ------------------------------ From: ZeroSummer@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 20:02:40 -0400 Subject: Re: Remixing >_Groovy Dec*y_ brings up another question: Has any other artist, >dissatisfied with an earlier-released product, re-released a totally >remixed, resequenced version of the album? Lisa Germano's "Happiness" -- the second and correct version -- was the best record of 1994, maybe of the decade. =) "You think that you're pretty, but you're not. Ha, ha, ha." --LG -- Joe (awaiting early Lisa and R.E.M. a week from today) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:18:14 -0700 From: gondola@deltanet.com (E.B.) Subject: Re: We're Only In It For $ >From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." > >Well, as for "We're Only In It For The Money" Frank re-did the bass and >drum tracks for that CD because they had deterioriated so badly on the >original acetate that he thought it wouldn't sound good mastered as is. >IMNSHO he should have left it alone. > >I've heard the remastered CD and will not buy it, being familiar with the >original Verve recording. However, I hear tell there is a new CD of >"WOIIFTM" with the original mix. Can anybody confirm this? OK. Ten years ago or so, Rykodisc put out the first CD release of We're Only In It. It had noticeable (often negative) changes, due to those deteriorated rhythm tracks which had to be replaced. Zappa made the mistake of replacing them with state-of-the-art synthetic rhythm tracks (including a waaay too funky bass sound) that totally ruined the '60s atmosphere of the old album. He also restored a couple of bits that were censored from the original album -- this was actually kinda neat (i.e. "Don't cum in me, in me...."). There were some other subtle differences -- instruments pushed up or down in the mix, like in "Concentration Moon" -- but nothing especially significant. Before Zappa died, he worked on all those old albums again. Some new acetates or whatever were found for We're Only In It For The Money. Thus, the recent re-reissue of We're Only In It IS the original mix of instruments, and is INFINITELY superior to the previous Rykodisc version. Buy it, and you won't be disappointed. Also, more obviously, the new version is not piggybacked with Lumpy Gravy (another album which benefits a lot from the recent remixings). That "split" could be good or bad, depending on your budget. But the one disappointing thing is, I MISS those uncensored bits on the new version. I really wish they had been added as bonus tracks. The other really neat uncensored bit is the missing verse from "Mother People," with lines like "Shut your fuckin' mouth about the length of my hair" and "Shitty little person." These should've been bonus tracks on the new version, I feel. I have both discs, and I'm reluctant to get rid of the first one for this reason. Anyway, the bottom line is: Buy the new version. You won't be sorry. Eric ------------------------------ From: MARTINP@cgs.edu Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 17:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Daring us to do our worse, the Blatzman opinionated: >Ah yes, business and art. What to think of it. If Robyn were a businessman, >he would be broke. He is a bad decision maker. He will always the artist who >let the big ones go. Given proper production and exposure, I believe the >following could have been bigger than some of his most popular singles: (a list of well-chosen material deleted) >What is up? Does he have no perspective?...Maybe Robyn himself is the >very reason why he's not more popular. >Stupid business decisions. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I'm not going to flame you . In fact, I think there's a nugget of truth to what you say. In addition to writing the eccentric, surrealistic tunes the critics love to point to, Robyn has written some perfectly accessible, brilliant little pop gems\1/ over the years that, in a perfect world, or maybe if he were a ruthless, capitalist profit maximizer, would have been monster hits. So has Robyn been consciously/unconsciously sabotaging his career? Has he *wanted* to avoid becoming too big? Is a "cult" figure just what he wants to be? Has he ever specifically said anything about this so I can stop my uninformed speculation? PKM 1. I.e., "If you were a priest." Don't think I'm disparaging this type of music; from their rarity I'd conclude that the perfect three-minute pop song is damn difficult to write. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:08:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Nitnit Subject: Re: Album Poll Results On Fri, 30 Aug 1996, Steven Matrick wrote: > > 17. Eaten by her Own Dinner 15 Would someone please list the tracks on this? Thanks. -- Wanda Chu tintin@io.org ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 01:00:14 -0400 Subject: What's happened to me? Did I somehow cross one line too many and get blackballed off of the list? Two consecutive posts of mine have vanished from the digest? Both were in praise of "Globe of Frogs"-- perhaps that was the problem. Hoping I'm still in everyone's sinister but good graces, Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 01:19:23 -0500 From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John, Jacci, & Madison) Subject: If you want to please me, ya got's ta CHEESE me! I know why Robyn chose not to release "Direct me to the cheese", a song he debuted during last year's US tour. Its because he ripped the concept off of a Kraft Macaroni & Cheese commercial!! These commercials feature young children singing the blues about how their day won't go right unless their parents "CHEESE" them (i.e., serve them some Macarena & Cheez). I'm sure Robyn was sitting in the hotel with Mischy watchin the tube, and the commercial comes on and Robyn laughs at the Cheese me line and picks up the guitar and does an improv to impress her. She laughs, he laughs, and he decides to play it on the tour. (oh and my wife is reading this laughing and tells me to tell you about my theory that Kristin Hersh wrote the song "Limbo" while riding in a limo...."nice limo you have here"...) I think she thinks I think too much. Wait, I've got one more post coming up and then yall can go, John ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 01:24:21 -0500 From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John, Jacci, & Madison) Subject: Julian Cope's The Skellington Chronicles I received a tape today as part of a trade I did over the summer. IT is Julian Cope, the Skellington Chronicles. Is this a bootleg, or a legitimate release? The gent that taped it for me said that it is an unreleased LP from 1985. But he has a CD of it (???). And he also only gave me half the track listing for it, so I need a complete tracklist. If anyone has info on this, please e-mail me. I would greatly appreciate it. I know next to nothing about Julian, so I welcome enlightenment. "I thought I saw Julian Cope, but it was me, and I was dead...." - Robyn Hitchcock Goodbye and goodnight, we are off to El Paso again for Labor Day weekend---guess I'll have to hit Best Buy and see if I can find anymore CDs of Alvin Lives in Leeds. Bayard, let me know when you get those tapes!!!!! John B. Jones -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Dole _IS_ '96! That would be the best campaign slogan"- Billy Bragg john b. jones jojones@syr.edu http://web.syr.edu/~jojones -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 03:44:54 -0400 From: kirshner@nicom.com (M. Kirshner) Subject: Re: Groovy Dec*y Long Duk Dong wrote: >_Groovy Dec*y_ brings up another question: Has any other artist, >dissatisfied with an earlier-released product, re-released a totally >remixed, resequenced version of the album? Album sequels, such as Meatloaf's >"Bat Out Of Hell II" and Neil Young's "Harvest Moon" don't count. I'll bet that a good portion of the Beatles' Anthology 3 will qualify as a remixed, resequenced version of Let It Be. It's well established that they were dissatisfied with that album. -mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 03:44:50 -0400 From: kirshner@nicom.com (M. Kirshner) Subject: Re: Robyn's Business Degree, flushed down the rocknroll toilet BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: >What is up? Does he have no perspective? What I will never be able to >understand is why why why release the flimsy Devil's Radio on the album. Can >somebody please tell me what's to GAIN? The other version fits right in. As >a business man, why wouldn't you choose the version that increases your >chances of exposure (and thus increases your chances of a brighter future >with wider releases). Maybe Robyn himself is the very reason why he's not >more popular. Talk about having a lack of perspective! Has it ever even momentarily occurred to you that RH *truly* doesn't give a shit about having hit singles? I wouldn't be at all surprised if he were actively avoiding airplay. He's obviously got enough fans to keep him fed and clothed -- or else maybe he doesn't even need the money. Do you need to hear his songs played to death on the radio in order to validate your fandom? -mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 07:44:24 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Lisa Germano At 08:02 PM 8/30/96 -0400, ZeroSummer@aol.com wrote: >>_Groovy Dec*y_ brings up another question: Has any other artist, >>dissatisfied with an earlier-released product, re-released a totally >>remixed, resequenced version of the album? > >Lisa Germano's "Happiness" -- the second and correct version -- was the best >record of 1994, maybe of the decade. =) WHOA! I totall disagree with the "second and ***correct*** version" idea! The Capitol version of _Happiness_ includes her devastating cover of "These Boots Were Made for Walking," the songs are in a vastly superior order, and the mixes are more traditional, less 4AD'd (i.e., etherial). I would have liked the 4AD version of _Happiness_ had I never heard the Capitol version. As it is, I'm so glad that I have the original release. Later, Miles ===================================================================== Great Hard Rock/Metal albums: 1) AC/DC -- Powerage 2) Judas Priest -- Screaming for Vengeance 3) Van Halen (NOT Van Hagar) -- Women and Children First 4) Ozzy Osbourne -- Blizzard of Ozz 5) Metallica -- Master of Puppets "It wasn't called 'Heavy Metal' when I invented it." -- Dave Davies Miles Goosens goosenmk@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ===================================================================== ------------------------------ From: Long Duk Dong Subject: Re: Groovy Dec*y Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 09:06:57 -0700 At 03:44 31.08.96 -0400, M. Kirshner wrote: >I'll bet that a good portion of the Beatles' Anthology 3 will qualify as a >remixed, resequenced version of Let It Be. It's well established that they >were dissatisfied with that album. > > -mike But _Get Back_ (the original title for the album) was never released commercially. It got as far as a few test pressings and promos. --g " " --Marcel Marceau Glen Uber glen@metro.net ********************************************************* It's back! New look, new links, new attitude! * Come find out about The Man, The Myths, The Mysteries at * http://metro.net/glen/ * Coming soon: My humour archives! * ********************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 12:02:52 -0500 From: gokhman@zakuski.math.utsa.edu (Dmitry Gokhman) Subject: Re: If you want to please me, ya got's ta CHEESE me! John said: >Its because he ripped the concept off of a Kraft Macaroni & Cheese >commercial!! These commercials feature young children singing the blues >about how their day won't go right unless their parents >"CHEESE" them (i.e., serve them some Macarena & Cheez). I'm sure Robyn was I always thought it was after the Jamaican billboards with a hilarious looking guy saying: I can't live without my cheese! I wish I had taken a photo at the time. - D ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:35:40 -0500 (CDT) From: sdodge@inforel.com (Susan Dodge) Subject: Re: Zappa + Moss >> I've read Robyn saying he prefers Captain Beefheart's music over >> Zappa's > >Personally, I don't think either one of them holds a candle to Brian >Wilson. :) I think actually all four of these musicians were blown away by the genius of "Sebastian Cabot, actor; Bob Dylan, poet" and spent the rest of their lives trying to catch up to that album's visionary brilliance :). . Sort of like the suggestion >someone made about "The Devil's Coachman". It was me. I figured that if the Christian right having a bona fide spazz can make a super-boring self-congratulatory piece of schlockola like "The Last Temptation of Christ" a big money maker, surely they could put Robyn over big time :). > Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:35:53 -0500 (CDT) From: sdodge@inforel.com (Susan Dodge) Subject: Re: Robyn's Business Degree, flushed down the rocknroll toilet Thus Spake Mike Kirshner: > >Do you need to hear his songs played to death on the radio in order to >validate your fandom? > > -mike No, but I have to say that it sure was a treat to turn on the car radio last night and hear "Alright Yeah" blaring out of it. Hearing Robyn on the radio again is a real pleasure, and you can't exactly blame people for wanting to have this pleasure more often! Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 23:53:02 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Last Temptation of Robyn At 05:35 PM 8/31/96 -0500, Susan Dodge wrote: >. Sort of like the suggestion >>someone made about "The Devil's Coachman". > >It was me. I figured that if the Christian right having a bona fide spazz >can make a super-boring self-congratulatory piece of schlockola like "The >Last Temptation of Christ" a big money maker, surely they could put Robyn >over big time :). I didn't think _Last Temptation_ made all that much money -- the number of theaters it played in was very limited, and its rental market potential was undercut by the chickensh*t retailers like Blockbuster who refuse to carry it. BTW, I enjoyed _Last Temptation_ quite well, thank you. Besides, seeing Jesus rip his own heart out of his chest was cool! ;-) Later, Miles, who thinks GOF is a damn fine album and thinks many listfolk have an unfortunate case of majorlabelitis ===================================================================== np: Pere Ubu, _Datapanik in the Year Zero_ (what else?) Miles Goosens goosenmk@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu ===================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Sep 1996 14:33:00 +0100 (BST) From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: They threw bottles at Robyn...!! I was at Irvine Beach yesterday, and it was not a pretty sight. Robyn was on third, after Geneva [could be reasonable in about five years and a name change] and Pusherman [v. poor]. He was unaccompanied, and did the usual acoustic start and electric finish. There was no time for the usual chat between songs - the longest we got was "This is a song about waking up to find a severed horse's head in your cupboard" before he launched into a song I hadn't heard (and can only remember a bit of the title) "Anthead". His playing was clear and precise, showing the rest of the bands (except for Julian Cope) exactly how it should be done. Can't remember the order of the songs, but he definitely played "Glass Hotel" (acoustic), "DeChirico Street", "Oceanside", one other I can't remember and had definitely not heard before, and finished up with a fine rendition of "You and Oblivion". Just under half an hour, and no encores. Not even an introduction. The crowd were mostly quite young, and really just hanging around to see the headline, Supergrass. They couldn't handle Robyn, and they started hopping about yelling for other bands, and throwing plastic water bottles about. A few of these were directed at the stage, and though he didn't get hit, Robyn was clearly a bit disgruntled at this. He said "Yup" as one bottle got a bit close, and finished with an absolutely screaming guitar break to Y&O as if to show them that he was there to perform. I felt that Robyn was out of place; he didn't get any mention on most of the posters or tickets. He didn't fit in with the general Britpop (read: pub band with a record deal) feeling of the day. He and Julian Cope could have been wonderful together, but the rest of the bill wasn't up to it. I left before the headline; Robyn was great, Julian was mental, Shed 7 almost did justice to "Jumpin' Jack Flash" (see what I mean about pub bands?) and Kula Shaker might as well have done their whole set in Sanskrit (as their current single's chorus is) for the quality of the PA. Oh well. -- Stewart C. Russell, Glasgow, Scotland - scruss@enterprise.net ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .