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Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Evershot Gig Re: Select review brian wilson coupla questions Re: pre perspex again (sorry) Old RH interview Re: Dennis Wilson's brother Re: Moss Elixir - diggin' it sort of Re: Cair Paravel Mike McCartney's brother Robyn Hitchcock and Billy Bragg Re: Mike McCartney's brother Narnian Eyes Tales from Narnia Robyquette On the Onomatopoetic Nature of the Horn Part in Hitchcock's De Chirico Street, Paisley Underground Re: Old RH interview Perspex Island Re: Old RH interview Re: Old RH interview Re: Wire Re: Old RH interview Re: Robyn Hitchcock and Billy Bragg Re: Select review Re: Old RH interview Bye... I grew horns and found another the ukranians ------------------------------ Date: 18 Aug 96 17:38:51 EDT From: Doc <75602.2577@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Evershot Gig Hey all... Just thought I'd post the results (what I can remember) of the Evershot Robyn and Homer did Saturday 17th August. Geography: (my UK geography is a little weak, being an itinerant American, so jets off if I get the locale wrong). Evershot is a village in Dorset, in the west of England. For those people what like maps, it's south of a town called Yeovil on the A37. Why did Robyn agree to play here? Well, he's played there before, I guess. The man that manages the village hall, Andrew, dates Robyn's sister. The village hall was VERY small-- about the size of a badminton court. In fact, it IS a badminton court when it's not being used for village meetings, concerts, etc. Admission was 4 pounds! Homer Set: I wish I could remember the songs. I've never seen or heard them before this occasion, just in their respective other bands. They're a great band in their own right. Check out their web page at http://www.foresight.co.uk/homer/ for more info, and go see 'em if you get a chance. Robyn Set (incomplete and in no particular order, acoustic and electric): --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Cynthia Mask Beautiful Girl The Wind Whispers Mary Heliotrope She Doesn't Exist The Yip Song (Another tune from PI, has the "doctor, doctor" refrain...by this time the beer was kicking in) Only The Stones Remain Robyn And Homer (likewise incomplete and in no particular order) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Acid Bird DeChirico Street Queen Of Eyes The Cars She Used To Drive If You Were A Priest Alright Yeah Oceanside (Jake played the bass perfectly on this one!) The Devil's Radio Good gig. Like being in someone's house! The sound was excellent (thanks, Jen). Robyn and Homer play well to-gether, despite the fact they've only played together a couple of times. Some of those tunes are nasty HARD to play. I haven't been able to lay my mitts on a copy of either of the "Mossy" twins, but I liked the new songs I heard last night very much. Thanks a lot...look after yerselves... -Ed, Doc, amazed at how GORGEOUS England is. P.S. Listening to The Tragically Hip, "Trouble At The Henhouse". Another stunning album. P.P.S. Robyn was wearing lime-green pants. Amazing. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:18:17 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Select review > In a message dated 96-08-17 14:25:48 EDT, glen@net5.com writes: > >"My Way" originally had French lyrics and was translated into English by > >Paul Anka. "It's Now Or Never" began life as "O Sole Mio". English into > >another language? Can't think of any that were covers. Some artists > >(Beatles, Sting, Peter Gabriel) have recorded their own songs in other > >languagees, but I don't think that counts. 'Love, This is My Song' by Petula Clark (?) was originally a foreign language song - Italian, by the sound of it. "Un banc, un arbre, une rue" was in a foreign language to start with, and remained so. I have a feeling that there was a Dusty Springfield big ballad which also started off contintental. - Mike G PS Got it! Anton Karas was the guy who played zither on the Harry Lime theme. Sorry, Mahatma, time to make way for the major league zither star. Another good instrument for the all-time Hitchcock band would be the bandura (? sp.) that the guy in Fairground Attraction played instead of a bass.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 07:43:43 -0400 From: MichaelHooker Subject: brian wilson hello, how can any serious discussion of Brian Wilson's work not include the fantastic Dr. Eugene Landy?( with tongue crazy glued to cheek). Mike Hooker ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 09:10:26 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: coupla questions Bayard asked: >also, what are the dates of the shows on _rout of the clones_? Tracks 1-10: Live at the Lady Mitchell Hall, Cambridge 27/11/78 Tracks 11-14: Live at Leicester University, 1978 Tracks 15-17: Live at the Lady Mitchell Hall, Cambridge 3/78 Track 18 ["Poor Will & The Jolly Hangman"]: Rehearsal session, exact date unknown "Pornography teaches us what to forget." -- Bruce Adams +++++++++++++++++ Internet Publishing Specialist + Gene Hopstetter, Jr. + Cadmus Digital Solutions +++++++++++++++++ http://cjs.cadmus.com/gene ------------------------------ From: "Aaron J. Sparrow" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:02:50 -0500 Subject: Re: pre perspex again (sorry) > It's time for that fabulous new game show "let's put words in your mouth!!!" OK, in the words of the immortal Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?". I apologize to anyone who took my posts about Robyn's recent albums as a personal affront -- I really did not intend it that way. I was initially just responding, from my perspective, to someone's question as to why Perspex Island seemed to get a bad rap on this list. > WHO CARES if he wanted a song to sound like Love. Does that diminish the > content for a moment??? No Way,man This was just an observation -- I don't believe I implied that the content of the song was diminished. I think the Neil Young impersonation on Moss Elixir is one of the best tracks on the album. > Robyn's songwriting has become more obviously personal. I think here we just have to agree to disagree. I see what you mean, in the sense that a lot of songs on both Respect and Moss Elixir take their impetus from events in Robyn's personal life. But the same can be said of Eye. And for me, the songs on Eye, and even parts of I Often Dream of Trains and Groovy Decoy (52 Stations, St. Petersburg, The Rain) bleed with emotion. I'm not saying that you don't feel that way about Respect, just that I don't hear it that way. Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:17:28 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Old RH interview I was at a record stall the other day and I picked up a mag called 'Strange Things Are Happening' for March 1988, including a double page interview with RH in Highgate Cemetery, by a guy called Vincent Eno (any relation to Brian?). RH talks about J G Ballard, Spandau Ballet, the Thompson Twins, Globe of Frogs and fish. It's obviously old stuff, but is it worth posting? At my typing speed, it wouldn't take me more than 11 or 12 hours to put it up. - Mike Godwin PS In the same mag, there is also an article by Sid Griffin (complete with Pete Frame chart) on LA bands vintage 1985 which is informative. Quiz question: "By the fall of 1983 the term Paisley Underground was extremely misused ... Four bands were the Paisley Underground, no one else, ever!" (Griffin). Which four? (I'd never even heard of one of them). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:27:24 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Dennis Wilson's brother On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Aaron J. Sparrow wrote: > > 1) A Robyn Hitchcock and 'Hurray for Brian Wilson' list > > Yes, and it could be called "Good, Positive Vibrations". > > P.S. Please tell me that Brian Wilson did in fact write "Good > Vibrations"; otherwise this message will contain not just a bad joke, > but a bad and ignorant joke, and that might be too much for my ego to > handle. It's all right! Funny too. See below - MG Jamie Lubin: "Hit #1 in the UK; based on conversations between Brian Wilson & his mother re vibrations (such as those dogs pick up from certain people). Wilson took 6 months, used 90 hours of recording tape, worked in 4 different studios, & did somewhere between 15 & 20 different versions of the song before he was satisfied. The production cost $50,000 -- which, at that time, made it the most expensive single ever made. Written by Brian Wilson & Mike Love." ------------------------------ From: "professor ned" Subject: Re: Moss Elixir - diggin' it sort of Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 09:37:37 -0500 In message Jordan M Anderson writes: > > As anyone who saw the last solo tour can probably attest, Robyn Hitchock > > and Paul McCartney are in fact the same person. Mayhaps the smiles > > increase as the facade fades? > Sans McCartney theory, my feeling exactly. Oh come on. With the Hawaiian print shirt, the uncombed mop of hair, his facial features slipping from the pointy-cheekboned austerity of his youth...he's Paul McCartney. There's no question. -ned -- ..and finally, this heartwarming thought: We are all doomed, but some of us are more doomed than others. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:56:38 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Cair Paravel On Mon, 19 Aug 1996 LORDK@library.phila.gov wrote: > Mike Godwin--do you think there's any possibility that Robyn was read a lot of > Narnia as a child? Without any proof, I would say it was absolutely certain. Those books came out in the early 50s and all us nice middle class English kids were exposed to them - only to find out by about 'The Silver Chair' that it was a propaganda racket! We've still got LW&W, Prince Caspian, and The Voyage of the Dawn Treader, though. - Mike pp. Lords Mavramorn and Rhoop ------------------------------ From: "James Isaacs" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:18:28 CET-1CST Subject: Mike McCartney's brother Yeah, let's jump off the Brian Wilson bandwagon and jump to the Paul MacCartney model, which is ever more interesting. My two Pfennigs: I think Paul took the idea for "Sgt. Pepper" from both "Pet Sounds" and, if I remember my history correctly, "Freak Out" by the Mothers. (The Mothers returned the favor with "We're Only in it for the Money". Also, "Pet Sounds" came about as a result of Brian Wilson trying to outdo "Revolver" (IMHO, he did not). And I do have a copy of "Pet Sounds". When BW tried to outdo "Sgt. Pepper" with "Smile", he instead went over the edge for a few years, because he couldn't. McCartney 1, Wilson 0. BW and PMc have two things in common. They both have genius for making a melody, Paul especially so in the "middle 8" which was the thread of the month here. But, sometimes they are both lacking lyrically. With the Beatles, Paul had John. (superior songwriter=Paul) But no one in the Beach Boys could hold BW's jock (to steal a phrase from Basketball). Therefore, the Beach Boys have become a novelty act today, whereas Paul is somewhere only ex-Beatles reside. What is Paul? A genius? A God? A rich old fart?? Paul should pull a Neil Young and front either Crazy Horse or Pearl Jam for an album. Nonetheless, I hope his next album isn't a Wilburys or ELO album like GH's "Cloud 9". Paul must rock. Deutsch James ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 11:50:03 -0500 From: mlang@inch.com (Steven Matrick) Subject: Robyn Hitchcock and Billy Bragg Does it strike anyone else here that Robyn and Billy Bragg touring together is quite odd? I know that they both have the same manager, but how could their fan bases possibly interact? I am a huge Phil Ochs fan and have always respected Bragg's respect for Phil, but his music has never really done much for me, except for the beautiful "New England". But think of the two of them thematically: Robyn whose biggest political statement was: "I'm doing this for free, just like Live Aid", touring with THE socialist folk singer. How is this tour going to help either one of them? Steven Matrick The Favorite Color ______________________________________________________________________________ Top Five URL's of 1996: 1. Dead Angel's Interview with Tris McCall and review of the Broken Loom http://www.eden.com/zines/deadangel/da21.html 2.Consumable Online's Review of Tris McCall's the Broken Loom http://www.westnet.com/consumable/1996/08.16/revbroke.html 3 Forklift Mag's Review of Tris McCall's the Broken Loom http://www.umd.umich.edu/~haibachi/Forklift/new.html - 4. Buy the Broken Loom at Aural Adventures http://members.aol.com/AuralAdven/index.html 5. Ohio Records Plug!!!! http://www-dept.cs.ucl.ac.uk/external/twicks/ill/O.html ______________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:25:15 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Mike McCartney's brother On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, James Isaacs wrote: > I think Paul took the idea for "Sgt. Pepper" from both "Pet Sounds" > and, if I remember my history correctly, "Freak Out" by the Mothers. > (The Mothers returned the favor with "We're Only in it for the Money". The story I heard was that Macca was trying to outdo the BYRDS. But that might have been on Revolver, or even Rubber Soul. > Also, "Pet Sounds" came about as a result of Brian Wilson trying to > outdo "Revolver" (IMHO, he did not). McC didn't even manage to do it with Sgt Pepper. Revolver remains the top Beatles album (source: Robyn Hitchcock). > making a melody, Paul especially so in the "middle 8" which was the > thread of the month here. But, sometimes they are both lacking > lyrically. With the Beatles, Paul had John. Sometimes all McC needs is for someone to tell him that his original lyric is rubbish and to write a new one ('Scrambled eggs don't taste half as nice as boiled eggs'). But who is going to do that nowadays? Macca: Here's my new song Someone (Denny Laine, for instance): It's rubbish Macca: You're fired and you owe me money for that Buddy Holly album... > What is Paul? A genius? Yes A God? No A rich old fart? Yes He did do some songs with Costello a while back, including the hummable 'Veronica'. Should have brought the Attractions along too. - MG PS Did you see that Spitting Image "At home with the McCartneys"? Every banal remark was taken up as a lyric, including, memorably "Why Does Everything I Ask(?) You Turn Into A Song?" ------------------------------ From: LORDK@library.phila.gov Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:39:18 -0400 (EDT) CC: LORDK@library.phila.gov Subject: Narnian Eyes Hmmm--most kids of the waspy classes in the US got Narnia as well, and I for one--loved it. In fact I think I went looking for Narnia, except other people called it altered states. Part of Narnia(the part created by Lewis'logical mind)is indoctronation into a certain brand of Christianity, but part, imho, bypasses such logic and finds that something beyond the author's consious imput, that something which marks a work as the true gen.I realize this is an unpopularview, the fundamentalists trying to turn a remarkably intelligent, remarkably dysfunctuanal,orphaned by Mom young, left with a drunkard dad, shipped off to school where physaclly abused, sexually confused, partly schitzoid, sao-masochistic co-dependent into a plaster saint. On the other hand, the "left' savage him as a fasistic monster of authoratative evil--personally responsible for the Nazi's, among other things. I dont buy either angle. Find him and his works fascinating because complicated, brillent, and full of the bittersweetest longing this side of--well- Robyn Hitchcock.(see, I got Robyn relevence in.) Some of Robyns stuff , to me, sometimes feels like Narnia did. And for me---thats a compliment. K, whose sailed a long long way on the Dawn Treader(peridots and periwinkles) ------------------------------ From: "That James guy again" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 19:30:54 CET-1CST Subject: Tales from Narnia Unlike most of my peers, I did not read Narnia, or Lord of the Rings, until my early twenties. I still was held captive by both series. Another Narnian group is XTC, whom have a song called "Always Winter Never Christmas", even. If it wasn't for disappointment, I wouldn't have any appointments. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 10:46:37 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Robyquette With all the wildfires out here in California, it has been alarming to see the recent conflagration erupting on my favorite mailing list also. Remember, the other folks on this list are nice people. You'd probably like them if you met them socially. The fact that many of us have different views and like different kinds of music (even within Robyn's catalog) is what makes this list interesting--and the fact that most of us can express our opinions civilly and intelligently is what makes it worth subscribing to. (Personally, I don't care *who* this "Wilson" character is, I was about ready to go out and shoot him, just to put an end to the bickering.) So, rule 1: if someone gets a little over-emotional DON'T react by responding in the same manner (no matter how tempting!). Other list members will almost certainly intercede on your behalf with a few calming words and the original poster will rethink his or her language. Look back over a few digests--it happens every time. Kay (if you're still with us--and I hope you are). Please accept this recent bout of cattiness as what it is--an aberration. I'm sure that almost all list readers were as put off as you are by the personal nature of some recent posts, however this list is pretty much self regulating and it is up to participants like you and I to "stop the insanity". Perhaps if you'd post more often you could put *your* stamp on the proceedings? So please, let's all express our opinions, defend them to the hilt and *enjoy* the fact that others here disagree and give us a chance to engage a few of our remaining brain cells in witty repartee. [Off-topic posts are just fine with me, by the way. Just keep it interesting for the majority and avoid personal attacks.] On the subject of spelling: I simply find it easier to read posts that are written and spelled well. Since my own spelling is quite appalling, I always use a spellchecker--in consideration to *my* readers. However I consider it incredibly bad manners to flame someone for a misspelling (unless perhaps the meaning was mis-presented). If, like me, you use Netscape Mail, try CyberSpell (see www.inso.com). OK. "Miss Manners mode" off. The main point of this post, however, is to send a word of appreciation to our listmeister, Mr. Throat Warbler Mangrove (aka woj). A clear head, a calm disposition and wise words. My hat is off to you, sir. -N ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:44:03 -0500 From: shmac@ix.netcom.com (Scott Hunter McCleary) Subject: On the Onomatopoetic Nature of the Horn Part in Hitchcock's De Chirico Street, or, Honk if You Love Robyn Ok, at first I, too, thought the horns didn't really belong in the ME version of De Chirico Street. But does anybody else hear car horns in the dissonant sax parts? Get it? Car horns? Street? The horn chords seem much, much more complex than the chord structure in the rest of the song. Now you take your basic Caddy horn, which as we all know uses a triad made up of two tritones.... Better yet, take two automobiles of differing makes and give 'em a good simultaneous honk. Hear it now? It's a theory, and I'm sticking by it. Scott whose name is really just an anagram for "crotchety camel runts" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 13:54:25 -0500 From: mlang@inch.com (Steven Matrick) Subject: Paisley Underground The Rain Parade and Three O'Clock are two of them........ Maybe Game Theory too? S ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Old RH interview Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 10:23:58 -0700 From: Tom Clark "Dr Saxmundham Deadcross" >Quiz question: "By the fall of 1983 the term Paisley Underground was >extremely misused ... Four bands were the Paisley Underground, no one >else, ever!" (Griffin). Which four? (I'd never even heard of one of >them). "The Three O'Clock" has got to be one of them. -tom ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 13:47:00 -0500 From: Jim Moore Subject: Perspex Island I recently introduced a co-worker to RH's music. Instead of trying to feed him one of RH's CD's, or even a mix of songs that I put together, I let him borrow my Realtime interview tape -- the one from Canada about 3 months ago. I remembered that it was hearing Robyn talk and listening to his wit that impressed me so much back in 1988 when I first learned of him - so I decided to try it with this friend, too. He liked Robyn a lot (thought he was terribly clever), and he loved the songs. He remarked that the first thing that struck him about the music was how varied it was. The tape has Heliotrope, Devil's Radio, I Am Not Me and Allright, Yeah. He was amazed that one guy could play so many different types of songs... and do them all so well. ...which reminded me of our discussion of Perspex Island. I'm not convinced that lyrically it is any more shallow than any of his other CD's. I think that sometimes simplicity is not only elegant, but quite sublime. But there's some very deep, complex stuff there too on PI. It seems that there is this growing tendency for us to split into either the "Eye/ IODOT" camp or the "Perspex/Respect" camp -- when to me the fact that Robyn writes such diverse kinds of songs and can play them equally well with or without a band is not something that is a liability. I must confess that about a year ago if you would have asked me which of his CD's I liked least -- I probably would have confessed it was "Eye". Now, however, I would say that "Eye" is probably my most listened-to and quite possibly my favorite. I don't listen to Perspex too often, but when I do pop it in I think it is wonderful. Right now, I'm really getting comfortable with "Moss" -- and I think it is quite good after all. And I'm glad that I have "Mossy" to go alongside it. I'm trying to remember not to create Robyn in my own image, so to speak, but rather to let him be himself -- and take the good with the "not as good as it COULD BE if only..." BTW, I'm closing this email account here at my job and linking up with you lovely Fegs via my home computer. If anyone needs to get in touch with me after the 30th of Sept. you can reach me at: guambat@juno.com Until then, I'm still Jim Moore jimm@dbu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 12:19:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: Old RH interview ======== Original Message ======== >Quiz question: "By the fall of 1983 the term Paisley Underground was >extremely misused ... Four bands were the Paisley Underground, no one >else, ever!" (Griffin). Which four? (I'd never even heard of one of >them). "The Three O'Clock" has got to be one of them. -tom ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== Three O'Clock, Bangles, Rain Parade... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:40:21 -0400 (EDT) From: ! Subject: Re: Old RH interview On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Tom Clark wrote: > >Quiz question: "By the fall of 1983 the term Paisley Underground was > >extremely misused ... Four bands were the Paisley Underground, no one > >else, ever!" (Griffin). Which four? (I'd never even heard of one of > >them). > > "The Three O'Clock" has got to be one of them. but probably still trading under the ill-fated 'salvation army' monicker at the time, n'est-ce pas? what was the name of that dream syndicate precursor band? bet they were one of the four, if not ds themselves. doug n.p. connells _weird food and devastation_ -- oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug -- dmayowel@access.digex.net a.k.a. dougmhyphw@aol.com -- get yr recently updated pathos at http://www.mwmw.com/pathetic/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 12:54:40 -0700 From: gondola@deltanet.com (E.B.) Subject: Re: Wire >From: RxBroome@aol.com > >2) Susan was the first of many to note that "Connection" by Elastica IS "Three >Girl Rhumba" by Wire, albeit in a much more prosaic form. Some call it a >tribute. Fine; I invite them to compare "Lineup" by Elastica to "I Am the >Fly" by Wire... Did anyone else think Blur's "Boys & Girls" was really similar to "I Am The Fly" also? E.B. ------------------------------ From: "Aaron J. Sparrow" Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 15:50:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Old RH interview ======== Original Message ======== >Quiz question: "By the fall of 1983 the term Paisley Underground was >extremely misused ... Four bands were the Paisley Underground, no one >else, ever!" (Griffin). Which four? (I'd never even heard of one of >them). "The Three O'Clock" has got to be one of them. -tom ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== Three O'Clock, Bangles, Rain Parade... ----------------------------- Wasn't the Dream Syndicate one of them? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 14:04:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Robyn Hitchcock and Billy Bragg From: cookie concerning robyn & billy bragg touring together-how could there be a problem? i personally love both of them, and can't wait for the tour! if i am correct, they have already done some shows together (with REM also) that took place in Ga. in the late 1980's. and about Robyn's stuff being personal-don't you think that every record has been? And can we stop all this wilson talking? i thought this was fegmaniax, not "Washed up Beach Boyax"! ------------------------------ From: TchdnJesus@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 17:14:45 -0400 Subject: Re: Select review In a message dated 96-08-20 04:59:39 EDT, HAMISH_SIMPSON write: >I wrote: >>i remember once hearing a cover of the smiths "bigmouth strikes again" in >>ukranian, by a band called the ukranians, who were, strangely enough, from >>hull or leeds or some other english town with one syllable....... > Is it possible that this was by the Wedding Present (from Leeds) who > did some Ukranian stuff? no, it was definitely released under the name "The Ukranians," though I do recall hearing that some non-Gedge Wedding Present people were involved..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 18:08:14 -0400 From: lbiondi@iserver01.ci.buffalo.ny.us (Louie Biondi) CC: Engulfed in Living Slime Subject: Re: Old RH interview ! wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Tom Clark wrote: > > > >Quiz question: "By the fall of 1983 the term Paisley Underground was > > >extremely misused ... Four bands were the Paisley Underground, no one > > >else, ever!" (Griffin). Which four? (I'd never even heard of one of > > >them). > > > > "The Three O'Clock" has got to be one of them. > > but probably still trading under the ill-fated 'salvation army' monicker > at the time, n'est-ce pas? what was the name of that dream syndicate > precursor band? bet they were one of the four, if not ds themselves. > > doug > > n.p. connells _weird food and devastation_ > > -- oh,no!! you've just read mail from doug > -- dmayowel@access.digex.net a.k.a. dougmhyphw@aol.com > -- get yr recently updated pathos at http://www.mwmw.com/pathetic/ Hi, The "precursor band" to the Dream Syndicate was The Suspects, who I believe only issued one 45. Best Always, "mad" louie ------------------------------ Date: 20 Aug 96 15:07:53 EDT From: Positive Vibrations <101356.2516@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Bye... Hi and bye everyone. Over the last couple of months, and especially the last few days, this list has deteriorated from one of the best and most informative mailing lists around to one of the worst. Especially with the new issue on the way, I've better things to do with my time than wallow in the no-life's flame wars which have submerged all the interesting contributors. Thanks to everyone who's been interesting/nice/helpful. This list has furnished me, over the years, with lots of useful information, a girlfriend, and some of _PVs_'s best written stuff; I'm genuinely sorry to see it self-destruct so monumentally. If anyone wants me, you know where to find me... The new _Positive Vibrations_ book, combining the best of issues 1-5, plus loads of new stuff, article reprints etc will be out mid-September; the address is on the web page, or email to me for details. Any queries anyone sends to me, I'll still try to answer. See you in the next life... Aidan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 16:30:25 -0700 From: lroberts@oacis.com (Laurence Roberts RD) Subject: I grew horns and found another Perhaps it's stating the obvious, but horns (not referring to saxophones, but to those bony things that grow on ruminant's heads) are generally a symbol of the cuckold, which makes sense for the line "I grew horns and found another" in "The Speed of Things." As I read it, the second verse is about his daughter, the third about his father, and the fourth about his ex. (Usual disclaimers that songs are not necessarily autobiographical apply.) Larry-bob lroberts@oacis.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 20:38:23 -0400 From: the rumsy gravel in the gales Subject: the ukranians also sprach TchdnJesus@aol.com: >no, it was definitely released under the name "The Ukranians," though I do >recall hearing that some non-Gedge Wedding Present people were involved..... the ukranians had their origin in some traditional ukranian songs that the wedding present mutated for john peel sometime around 1990-1. the response was good enough that a side project was spun off by then wedding present guitarist peter solowka who left twp in 1991. they released a four song ep called _songs of the smiths_ which is where the cover of "bigmouth strikes again" can be found (titled "batyar" in ukraninan), as well as "koroleva ne pomerla" ("the queen is dead"). woj ps. i like moss and mossy. so there. more on that later. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .