From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #127 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 127 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- GH/3/4 Who's seen my umlauts? Re: Who's seen my umlauts? Re: Peter Weller Re: Big Brother Tape Trading Re: She Said She Said stealing boots Re: Bobbies Hitchcock and Mould Re: Tape Trading Tape Trading the pre release cassette Re: Who's seen my umlauts? RE: Tape Trading Morris feg trivia Re: Morris Re: Billboard article--July 6, 1996 Re: Free Bootlegs Re: stealing boots Re: Billboard article--July 6, 1996 A&M comp date Canadian release of Mossy Liquor Queen of Eyes Re: A&M comp date Re: A&M comp date Re: Who's seen my umlauts? CONFIRMED: Robyn @ Irvine Beach hmmmmmmmmmmm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:50:05 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: GH/3/4 a thought about this "greatest hits" business... Hands up who'd like to see a Robyn compilation double CD - one CD of electric/band material and one CD of solo/acoustic stuff? Hmmm... *that* many of you?! I've lost count! Oh, and I decided to settle the matter once and for all. I got the revolving thing out last night to check. The bit of "She Said, She Said" before the repeat-and-fade is in 242/4 time, and is one bar long. The time signature of Jethro Tull's "Songs from the Wood", however, remains a mystery. James (who follows the drums on SS,SS - which are in 4/4 except for the 3/4 bridges) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 02:10:45 -0400 Subject: Who's seen my umlauts? Hal says of the erstwhile Egyptians /SB's: "I don't think Andy and Morris feel Robyn is "ungrateful". They had a good run together, and it was most likely a mutually agreed upon decision to disband. Yes, probably... but you've gotta wonder what happens to guys like this ultimately. Do they see any money from continued sales of records they played on-- I know they do, but how much? Enough to live on? For example, since we've been talking Husker, what's Greg Norton's life like these days? Rex PS-- little things annoy me. Like how I always pause to include the umlauts over the "u"'s whenever I type "Husker Du", but they vanish by the time I see my posts in the Feg digest. Guess that makes me a luser. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 22:35:15 -0800 From: BC-Radio@corecom.net (Brett Cooper) Subject: Re: Who's seen my umlauts? >Yes, probably... but you've gotta wonder what happens to guys like this >ultimately. Do they see any money from continued sales of records they >played on-- I know they do, but how much? Enough to live on? For example, >since we've been talking Husker, what's Greg Norton's life like these days? > >Rex Well, I believe it is Dennis Dunaway of the original Alice Cooper band that hasn't done a single thing since the original band broke up in 1974 (aside from the bar performances) and has managed to raise a family on the royalties from the sales of past albums. Goes to show that Andy and Morris may very well be living well off of the sales royalties. What could hurt, though, is the fact that albums like "Queen Elvis", Egyptians albums that is, are no longer being printed. That may take a cut out of their salary. Brett (in one of his rare appearances) ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Peter Weller Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 01:41:34 -0500 From: Della & Steve Schiavo >> Peter Weller (most will assume you're that guy from Robocop or Naked >> Lunch and, naturally, be very afraid.) >Don't you mean PAUL Weller? Peter Weller (the actor) often plays jazz with his pals - trumpet, I think. May well play guitar also. - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 03:05:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Big Brother > Robyn's goodwill, write to me and I can forward testimony from people who've had > tape recorders smashed, been thrown out of gigs and been beaten up by security, > Howie the roadie, or band members (usually Andy). Beaten up by Andy Metcalfe??? Terrence "The Human Mellotron" Marks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 03:19:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Tape Trading Could anyone explain to me, from a band's perspective, what is wrong with tape trading? I can understand them being against CD bootlegging and so on, because bootleggers and sellers are making large amounts of money off of the artist, who never sees any of it. But tape traders tend not to present this problem, so why are they being cracked down upon also? Terrence "The Human Mellotron" Marks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:59:07 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: She Said She Said On Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:04:19 -0400 (EDT) cap@esu.edu (Roseann Cappella) wrote: >You are absouluty right about Beatle music books or sheets. My band was >doing Beatle songs in the 60's as soon as a new one would come out. I >would drive in to NYC from the Poconos to get the latest sheets and >ALWAYS >be totally disapointed. I soon found out it was best to just sit down >and >figure it all out for myself. (This does not just pertain to the >Beatles, >much of the music written out there is a joke and most of the time >leaves >out the very chords that make the song what it is) > I found "Beatles Compleat" to be fairly accurate, much better than "The Complete Beatles". Cheers, Sebastian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 07:50:51 -0500 From: Tim Bugbee Subject: stealing boots terry says: Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:58:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Bobbies Hitchcock and Mould Q: Does Bob Mould only take Bob Mould/Husker Du CD's from the store, or does he occasionally grab other ones? ["How dare those bastards steal from me! Ooh. The new Phish show..."] if bob's been stealing tired, rehashed, hippy-dippy recordings lately, his lobotomy is more overdue than i thought. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:50:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Tape Trading On Thu, 11 Jul 1996, Terrence Marks wrote: > Could anyone explain to me, from a band's perspective, what is wrong with > tape trading? musicians who don't like people trading tapes of their shows may be one or more of the following: -control freaks (they don't want you to maybe capture a sub-par performance or recording of their stuff) -self-conscious (maybe that was robyn and andy's problem) -really popular and ripe for being ripped off when the tapes get traded to someone slimy who sells the tapes or CD's made from them, as you state below. Personally, I try to get to know everyone I trade with and ask that they be careful with really good sounding stuff. - or maybe just plain selfish. > I can understand them being against CD bootlegging and so on, because > bootleggers and sellers are making large amounts of money off of the > artist, who never sees any of it. > > But tape traders tend not to present this problem, so why are they being > cracked down upon also? For the past couple of years (ever since he started this long solo tour, perhaps) Robyn's spoken very highly of tape trading. See the archives from about 4/94 for reports of RH telling audience members to "get a tape of the show" and the Virtual Interview from a few months ago, where he refers to this practice repeatedly in a benign way. It is to be hoped that the new deal with WB does not change things (i believe he'd signed with them before he responded to the interview). If tape trading were abolished, it would only make the practice of selling more lucrative. I don't see anything morally wrong with it. As we all know, Robyn fans buy everything that's available anyway... trading tapes is not going to stop that. Do we even know if these "Eatons" really are robyn's crack team of lawyers? If you're listening, Eatons, could you please explain what exactly it is you're telling us not to do? bayard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:02:37 -0600 From: mbrage@surgery.bsd.uchicago.edu (Michael Brage) Subject: Tape Trading Terry wrote: >Could anyone explain to me, from a band's perspective, what is wrong with >tape trading? >I can understand them being against CD bootlegging and so on, because >bootleggers and sellers are making large amounts of money off of the >artist, who never sees any of it. > >But tape traders tend not to present this problem, so why are they being >cracked down upon also? Not only that, tape traders are probably the most loyal of fans who always purchase the products of the artist. Maybe, though, the tapes of the traders fall into the hands of the bootleggers. Does anyone know whether of any live tapes (Robyn's or other artists) that circulate have become bootleg CDs or LP's? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 09:21:25 -0600 From: mbrage@surgery.bsd.uchicago.edu (Michael Brage) Subject: the pre release cassette Fegs, I had an opportunity to hear the pre-release cassette yesterday! It left me hungry for more. It was short, but, I thoroughly enjoyed it. A surprise for me was his treatment of "Beautiful Queen". It includes backwards guitar, horns like that in "Penny Lane" and vocal harmonies similar to that in "Because". Very Beatle-like. Overall, I like this song better than when I heard it live with Deni on violin. For me, I love the song "This is how it feels" but his live versions are superior to the recorded one. This would be my only disappointment and it is a very minor one. This is the second time that I have heard every track on a new album from earlier live shows. I also have heard all of the songs on the new Elvis Costello CD from live shows. I was worried about it for various reasons but I found the new Hitchcock versions refreshing for the most part. I definately would like more to listen to. Thank the maker for the upcoming "Mossy Liquor". Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:27:05 -0500 (EST) From: Dolph L Chaney Subject: Re: Who's seen my umlauts? On Thu, 11 Jul 1996 RxBroome@aol.com wrote: > Yes, probably... but you've gotta wonder what happens to guys like this > ultimately. Do they see any money from continued sales of records they > played on-- I know they do, but how much? Enough to live on? For example, > since we've been talking Husker, what's Greg Norton's life like these days? Last I heard, Greg has been working as a chef in an eating establishment on the Macalaster College campus in Minneapolis for several years. Not exactly glamour, but hey... Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 10:28:24 -0500 From: Brandt Subject: RE: Tape Trading >Terrence Marks wrote: >> >> Could anyone explain to me, from a band's perspective, what is wrong with >> tape trading? >> I can understand them being against CD bootlegging and so on, because >> bootleggers and sellers are making large amounts of money off of the >> artist, who never sees any of it. >> >> But tape traders tend not to present this problem, so why are they being >> cracked down upon also? >> >> Terrence "The Human Mellotron" Marks It's a bit of a paradox, in my opinion. Take the Grateful Dead as a perfect example. On one hand, free tape trading among fans became part of the legend of the band...their fandom became more and more rabid and their live shows consistently sold out based on word of mouth. On the other hand, they never sold any albums! Their studio work paled next to their live performances, and their live albums didn't sell because they had already given it away! Even now as members pursue solo projects (i.e. Mickey Hart's new Mystery Box CD) they are having trouble getting them into retail oulets because of the common knowledge that "the Dead don't sell albums." Plus, with the free exchange of info here on the net, revenue from music publishing is also lost as lyrics and tabs are exchanged and posted (Terry!) :) hal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 10:13:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Morris of the ex-Soft Boys and Egyptians, everyone seems to have latched onto some big name act at one point or another...Andy with Squeeze, Matthew with Thomas Dolby (& David Bowie at Live Aid), Kimberley with Katrina, ...Has Morris ever done any session work with anyone of note? I wonder what his prospects are now that the Egyptians have disbanded. -russ now playing: SQUEEZE/Ridiculous* CRACKER/The Golden Age SMASHING PUMPKINS/Mellon Collie & the Infinite Sadness TEENAGE FANCLUB/Bandwagonesque NEIL YOUNG/Mirrir Ball *actually a pretty good album! Their last two were pretty dismal, IMO ------------------------------ Date: 11 Jul 96 11:59:18 EDT From: Richard Thomasson <100634.1312@CompuServe.COM> Subject: feg trivia "It's not just the size of a walnut", but I bet you don't know what is. I believe I have uncovered a very obscure reference. joshua ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Morris Date: Thu, 11 Jul 96 10:35:41 -0700 From: Tom Clark "The Lobster Gang" >.Has Morris ever done any session work with anyone of note? Morris played with The Monochrome Set on the "Eligible Bachelors" LP (1982). >now playing: > SQUEEZE/Ridiculous* > CRACKER/The Golden Age Another masterpiece, IMHO. > SMASHING PUMPKINS/Mellon Collie & the Infinite Sadness russ, isn't this ALWAYS in your changer? > TEENAGE FANCLUB/Bandwagonesque > NEIL YOUNG/Mirror Ball -tc considering the recent discussions, it's quite a coincidence that the * following have been in the changer for the past two weeks: Porno For Pyros: "Good God's Urge" *Bob Mould: "Bob Mould" (Kinda like "Ed Haynes Sings Ed Haynes!") Butthole Surfers: "Electric Larryland" *The Posies: "Amazing Disgrace" ************************************* * Tom Clark * Apple Computer, Inc. * tclark@apple.com * tclark@netgate.net * http://www.netgate.net/~tclark ************************************* "Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!" "Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you getting the picture?" ------------------------------ From: cchenowe@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Billboard article--July 6, 1996 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:19:33 -0500 (CDT) > > > Is it just me, or do the following RH quotes sound pretty ungrateful for > the great work done by Morris and Andy (and Roger)? > > - Mike Godwin Perhaps these were taken out of context from much more verbose explanations. I'd prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt, anyway. Also, for the comment on bands and humans being expensive, don't most bands on the road have many more people than you see...roadies, sound men, cost of transporting instruments and thier own sound equipment? It probably is hellishly expensive. "when you have a band, you have to find work for them" is also a responsibility, and sometimes a duty for friends. Like Fleetwood Mac trying to help Mick Fleetwood out of debt, wasn't that the main reason for one of their albums? I don't think it's necessarily "ingratitude", it's just mixing economics, friendship, and music that probably gets tough at times. And perhaps, as he indicates, limiting. Adding Deni Bonet the last time might be that he wants to go other directions. It's hardly ingratitude for an artist to change, just a different method of expression. His paintings are certainly different... compare GLTHO with more recent painting. Artists grow and change. It's a bit like voting for president based only on news sound bytes to form a negative opinion based on these few succinct sentences. There may be whole paragraphs on the cutting room floor that entirely change the meaning or point of view. or at least take the harshness out or explain it. so, I guess, yeah, Mike, it could be taken as ingratitude as it's stated; I tend to take his side and not like to see him criticized, definitely. I'll just (lengthily) say there's a negative view and a positive one. :) -cheri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:23:00 -0700 fegmaniax@ecto.org From: afink@ix.netcom.com (Aaron Finkelstein) Subject: Re: Free Bootlegs At 02:36 PM 7/10/96 -0700, Glen Uber wrote: >On Jul 9, 9:31pm, Aaron Finkelstein wrote: >> Peter Weller (most will assume you're that guy from Robocop or Naked >> Lunch and, naturally, be very afraid.) > >Don't you mean PAUL Weller? No, I mean Peter Weller, formerly of The Jam and Style Council, now a solo act on Go! Discs. Everytime I mention him, people think I mean Paul. Happens a lot. >> Nick Ronson (most will sympathize, given that you're named after a >> lighter fluid) > >Don't you mean MICK Ronson? Yes. Thank you. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:35:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Brooks Martin Subject: Re: stealing boots Tim said: if bob's been stealing tired, rehashed, hippy-dippy recordings lately, his lobotomy is more overdue than i thought. I say: here here! -Brooks oh, P.S. I send out a list of the top 30 records played at KAOS 89.3FM (here in Olympia, WA) every week. If you would like to be on the distribution list, just e-mail me at kaos_music@elwha.evergreen.edu and I'd be glad to add you to the list. Bye! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:17:22 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Billboard article--July 6, 1996 Hi Cheri Thanks for your reasoned response. I did select those quotes deliberately, but not without checking that there were no positive references to either the Egyptians or the Soft Boys anywhere else in the article. I am an old rock'n'roller and what I like is the musical interaction that you only get with a -band- who rehearse together and play together, such as RH and the E. As a big enthusiast for the -band- Traffic, one of the dreariest evenings I have spent was seeing Steve Winwood as a so-called 'solo' artist being backed by crap American session musicians instead of playing as a member of Traffic (which is what he was born to do). Worst of all was seeing Captain Beefheart just after he had sacked Zoot Horn Rollo and co., backed up by Ricky Nelson's Stone Canyon Band, who didn't appear to understand his music at all. I have visions of RH being likewise "guided" by WB into appearances with unsympathetic, third-rate hacks playing bass and drums. Reading this through, I realise that it sounds sour and bad-tempered, which is quite unintentional - I'm just worried! Best wishes - Mike Godwin PS As for fiddle-players, the only good one I ever saw who wasn't playing folk or classical was Bobby Valentino with the Fabulous Poodles! ------------------------------ From: firstcat@lsli.com Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 12:58:06 Subject: A&M comp date Any idea when the A&M release is out?...oh is the new Soul Coughing out yet? Jay "And does she ever whisper in his ear all her favorite fruit?" ---Camper Van Beethoven ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall Channel Sales Director Livermore Software Laboratories, Intl. 2825 Wilcrest, Suite 160 Houston, Texas 77042-3358 1-713-974-3274 jay@lsli.com Date: 7/12/96 ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 15:00:21 EDT Subject: Canadian release of Mossy Liquor I have spent a couple of frustrating weeks trying to reserve a copy of "Mossy Liquor" here in Montreal. I asked at HMB and Sam the Record Man, as well as Rock en Stock (an indie who employs at least one RH fan) and was met with blank stares at all these stores. Finally I wrote WB, who answered me back within 24 hours (nice folks!). WB has arranged to distribute an imported pressing (from the states, I guess). During those 2 weeks I also tried posting to this group, but none of my postings made it through. -- Ross Overbury Insert clever signature here email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 13:53:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: Queen of Eyes I remember RH performing this song at a show I was at, but I cannot find it on any album. Was this song ever released? perhaps I'm just having another mental lapse... cheers ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies hbrtv219@dewey.csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:03:18 -0500 From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John, Jacci, & Madison) Subject: Re: A&M comp date >Any idea when the A&M release is out?...oh is the new Soul Coughing out yet? new soul coughing out this past Tuesday. I must say--I'm disappointed. Although if Ruby Vroom had been a double-CD, the stuff off the new CD would've made great filler. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "you're so boring boring boring / always tape machine recording you're so boring boring boring / and you've heard all this before" -Dead Kennedys john b. jones jojones@syr.edu http://web.syr.edu/~jojones -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 17:18:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: A&M comp date On Fri, 12 Jul 1996 jojones@mailbox.syr.edu wrote: > Although if Ruby Vroom had been a double-CD, the stuff off the new CD > would've made great filler. I thought so at first too, but it's growing on me. "Super Bon Bon", "White Girl" and "The Idiot Kings" are superb, and all the rest except "Sleepless" and "Lazybones" are pretty good. I think the album just somehow draws attention to its flaws, while the dull bits on Ruby Vroom seem to be over quickly. Aaron ------------------------------ From: ehk20@cus.cam.ac.uk Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 11:49:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Who's seen my umlauts? On Thu, 11 Jul 1996 02:10:45 -0400 RxBroome@aol.com wrote: >PS-- little things annoy me. Like how I always pause to include the umlauts >over the "u"'s whenever I type "Husker Du", but they vanish by the time I see >my posts in the Feg digest. Guess that makes me a luser. I don't know if it is of any comfort, but the umlauts are fake on those two words anyway. I don't know why the band added them, now why they chose the name to begin with, but "Husker Du" actually means something in Norwegian. Espen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 20:03:54 +0100 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: CONFIRMED: Robyn @ Irvine Beach I know it's hardly local for most of you lot, but I can now confirm that Robyn is definitely playing Irvine Beach '96, 31st August, alongside Julian Cope, Supergrass and others. Irvine's a kind of industrial town / port about 20 miles SW of Glasgow in SW Scotland. Irvine Beach also has a huge Nobel Explosives factory nearby.= Ironic. Tickets are =A318 + booking fee for the Saturday, =A318.50 for the Sunday.= As Bj=F6rk is playing Sunday, I think I'll make a weekend of it. Stewart -- Stewart C. Russell, Glasgow, Scotland - scruss@cqm.co.uk. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 20:03:26 CDT From: Truman Peyote Subject: hmmmmmmmmmmm Was that a troll, Griffith? Queen of Eyes is a soft boyeez song from the fabulous "Underwater Moonlight"! :) Susan P.S. oh yeah..........all the good violinists are not just in folk and classical. A few of them play jazz, too. Have to admit I can't think of any good rock ones offhand, though. :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .