From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #123 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 123 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: She Said She Said RE: Mods (and rockers) - oh, and MIDIs Re: She Said She Said Left Coast Listening Party Tour possibilities time signatures (my signature takes 11 seconds) Re: time signatures (my signature takes 11 seconds) Re: ROBYN & BILLY LIVE Uncarved Pumpkins 2 Re: Billy & Robyn non 4/4; everyone pinch their floppies! Re: non 4/4; everyone pinch their floppies! ------------------------------ From: Mike Hardaker Subject: Re: She Said She Said Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 01:45:23 +0200 GB said: >>The time of She Said She Said's bridge is basically 2/4, before the rest of >>the song comes back in 4/4. > >>Mike Hardaker > >Not really. As I e-mailed RxBroome previously, the "She Said" bridge >contains two measures of 4/4 ("She said you don't understand what I said, I >said...") and then the rest of the bridge is in 3/4 ("...no, no, no, you're >wrong....). I confirmed this by looking up the sheet music. You can count >it out quite smoothly this way -- it's just that melody goes against the >beat for two measures. When "boyyyy" kicks in, the rhythmic dissonance is >resolved.... > >GB I disagree. Strongly. Fervently, even. For a start, try tapping out the beat as a march. It works. It works better than any other way. Honestly. Yes, there are some triplets over the beat, but it's basically in 2. Secondly, I have *never in my (unpleasntly long) life* seen a piece of Beatles sheet music which bore any real relation to the notes actually played by the Fabs. Recently, my local music store tried to sell me a two-volume 'score' for a scrotumtighteningly large sum of money - and those of you without a scrotum are just going to have to believe me on this one. "It's great," the staff said. After an hour of arguments, I managed to get them to remove the shrink-wrap from the books (I was supposed to thake this on trus). I had a look at the staves. "It's bollocks," I said. After another few minutes of argy-bargy I pulled the cassette of 1967-70 out of the car and their resident keyboard wizz sat down at a Roland something-or-another to play along. Not only were the chords and notes wildly out - the vast majority were in the wrong *key* (by up to a fifth). "It's bollocks," thet said. "We'll send it back." Pissed me off no end - I'd really like *good* scores of the stuff, but I end up having to do all the spade-work myself. Cheers, Mike ======================================================= Mike Hardaker e-mail: hardaker@iafrica.com mike@sacb.co.za mhardaker@cix.compulink.co.uk WWW: http://mickey.iafrica.com/~hardaker/ (The Hole In The Wall) Tel: +27 ((0)21) 419 0799 Fax: +27 ((0)21) 419 0787 ======================================================= "I'd like to reassure you, But I'm not that kind of guy." - Robyn Hitchcock ======================================================= ------------------------------ From: Mike Hardaker Subject: RE: Mods (and rockers) - oh, and MIDIs Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 01:33:45 +0200 I have some MIDI files of one or two RH songs - but they're things I worked out myself for backing tracks, so it's mostly bass & drums. There is, of course, the all-instrumental version of 'Uncorrected Personality Traits' which I did while thoroughly hammered, one night... ======================================================= Mike Hardaker e-mail: hardaker@iafrica.com mike@sacb.co.za mhardaker@cix.compulink.co.uk WWW: http://mickey.iafrica.com/~hardaker/ (The Hole In The Wall) Tel: +27 ((0)21) 419 0799 Fax: +27 ((0)21) 419 0787 ======================================================= "I'd like to reassure you, But I'm not that kind of guy." - Robyn Hitchcock ======================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 21:04:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Roseann Cappella Subject: Re: She Said She Said On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Mike Hardaker wrote: > Secondly, I have *never in my (unpleasntly long) life* seen a piece of > Beatles sheet music which bore any real relation to the notes actually > played by the Fabs. You are absouluty right about Beatle music books or sheets. My band was doing Beatle songs in the 60's as soon as a new one would come out. I would drive in to NYC from the Poconos to get the latest sheets and ALWAYS be totally disapointed. I soon found out it was best to just sit down and figure it all out for myself. (This does not just pertain to the Beatles, much of the music written out there is a joke and most of the time leaves out the very chords that make the song what it is) Bob Weidner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 1996 17:55:06 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth CC: Russ Reynolds , Tom Clark Subject: Left Coast Listening Party In response to my suggestion, Russ preemptively scheduled... >Nick's house. 8pm Friday. Bring beer. >:) ...and diapers, and earplugs! =:oV_V Seriously, given our enviable climate in these parts, shouldn't we make this a picnic event? If we could find a noise-friendly open space in the great outdoors, no one would have to deal with the influx of a rather shady collection of total strangers into their home. (Actually, it's the thought of having to tidy up that puts me off - I haven't seen the carpet for so long I've forgotten what color it is!) Once we've agreed a place to meet, all we need is someone to provide a boombox, others can bring bread, cheese, beer, shellfish and so on. Hey, and don't we have actual "musicians" in our midst? (Kay had a band, right?) We could have live performance! Yes, I see it all now... FEGSTOCK!!! ...er, sorry ...carried away for a moment there. How many of us are there? OK that's me, Tom and Russ. 8:00pm my place. Russ, do you want to bring the diapers or the beer? Anyone else interested? -Nick ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 00:07:27 -0400 Subject: Tour possibilities "Wire made extensive use of both time signature and key changes, and did so quite organically, although to describe most of their songs as "hooky" or "melodic" would be a stretch." True, true! The Wire tribute album, "Whore", is worth the price of admission just for My Bloody Valentine's first appearance in years, fabulously doing the fablulous "Map Ref. etc."... which is mighty hooky and melodic indeed, just like the original. The connection to Robyn is minimal, but Wire were great both times around. West Coast Feg Listening Party: I suggested a similar gathering a while back, congregating poetically and appropriately at the Monterey Aquarium and moving on from there. And I'm a So. Cal. Feg, so there's a drive involved for me. Still willing, though. Robyn / Billy: Robyn himself stated, during his IRC chat, that he would be "opening" for Billy, citing that Billy's "live audience" is larger than his. I imagine though that there's enough crossover appeal that we'll get full sets from both of them. No dates yet. I'll be at any and all LA shows. Both of Robyn's latest SoCal shows had no TicketBastard connection (glad someone else calls them that), but Woj is right; we shan't be so lucky this time... major label bucks, y'know. Is Billy still with Elektra? Rex PS-- any Billy fans who turned on to Love when we discussed Arthur Lee recently would be well served to seek out the "You Woke Up My Neighborhood" CD single. His version of "7 and 7 Is" more than makes up for the fact that there's a duet with Natalie Merchant on there... PPS-- don'tcha figure that Billy will have Wiggy in tow, too? PPPS-- and lots of guests at different shows, probably including any number of REM'ers who have connections to both Robyn and Billy... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:09:52 +1100 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: time signatures (my signature takes 11 seconds) > Not many people can do this stuff and remain hooky or melodic. The > only other example I can think of right now is "Cattle and Cane" by the > Go-Betweens. I know there are others, but they're few and far between. enough of you are into British 60s & 70s folkies for me to be able to say Pentangle's great song "Light Flight" alternates between 5/4 and 7/4 in the verse, with a bridge in 3/4. (I'm also a fan of Jethro Tull's track, "Living in the Past", in pure, unadulterated 5/4). Possibly the Beatles stragest assortment of time signatures was in "Here comes the sun", which has a verse in 4/4, but hops around all over the place elsewhere. James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:24:20 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: time signatures (my signature takes 11 seconds) On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, James Dignan wrote: > (I'm also a fan of Jethro Tull's track, > "Living in the Past", in pure, unadulterated 5/4). That's a good one. I was reading a book on Cream the other day in which Jack Bruce said he ran into difficulties with the record company for putting a 5/4 intro into 'White Room' (what I think of as the 'boom-yatta-ta-ta rat-tat-tat' bit). With regard to those 'music' books, they were rotten then and they haven't improved. I paid good money for a Lou Reed song book recently and not even the words were right... - Mike Godwin PS The only occasion when I started timing my signature was when I was signing on - I hope you haven't run out of work... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 96 08:53:41 -0400 From: "Knox, Joseph" Subject: Re: ROBYN & BILLY LIVE >what about a duet? Wasn't there a Billy Bragg bootleg released some time back that had a Billy & Robyn duet of the Deelight song Groove is In the Heart? I think that that was the only song on the bootleg that had Robyn. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 1996 13:32:24 -0400 (EDT) From: David Willems Subject: Uncarved Pumpkins 2 I agree that none of the songs should overlap. Has somebody been saving the messages that have been listing the rare songs that people have. I don't care if it fills up multiple tapes. I want it all. Thank you, David ------------------------------ Date: 03 Jul 96 02:59:38 EDT From: King of the Archway Mods <101356.2516@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Billy & Robyn Billy Bragg & Robyn Hitchcock have certainly done tours together, if not in the US, before. I went to two of their joint shows in 1991. It wasn't very good. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 16:42:27 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: non 4/4; everyone pinch their floppies! Re: non 4/4 time Can I add Peter Gabriel's song "Solsbury Hill" (7/8 time) to this discussion? Or maybe Pete Shelley's "I generate a feeling (alternating bars of 6/8 and 7/8!) >>Given that those East Coast-ers managed to get together for a little >>event, do you suppose there enough of us here on the Left Coast to >>organize some kind of listening party of our own? Perhaps we all exist >>only in cyberspace... >>-Nick (Pinching his floppy disks to check that he really exists) >I've been hoping to do this for some time. However, my cup runneth over >this summer for organizing such an event. I would love to participate, >though. >-tc tc, why do you want to pinch Nick's floppy disks??? James ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jul 1996 02:09:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: non 4/4; everyone pinch their floppies! Speaking of non 4/4 time.. "Bike" by Pink Floyd is so disorganized that, for all intents and purposes, it may as well by one measure of 130/4 time... Reminds me.. How do you think that Robyn's version of "Chinese White" compares to the original? Terrence "The Human Mellotron" Marks ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .