From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #122 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 122 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- RH mods, midis? She Said She Said Re: She Said She Said Giant Crabs Re: Giant Crabs Re: Giant Crabs Uncarved Pumpkins 2 Re: Uncarved Pumpkins 2 Re: Uncarved Pumpkins 2 Re: Giant Crabs RE: New Robyn single, marketing implications thereof Robyn: funk or polk? England. Re: Robyn: funk or polk? SF Bay Area Fegs: CD bUrNeR?DeTaIlS She Said She Said, if anyone cares... Shaved by the crabs Re: She Said She Said, if anyone cares... CDNow! access ROBYN & BILLY LIVE a few questions... Re: ROBYN & BILLY LIVE Re: ROBYN & BILLY LIVE Re: CDNow! access Re: ROBYN & BILLY LIVE Re: a few questions... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 96 20:47 PDT From: dsaunder@islandNet.com (Daniel Saunders) Subject: RH mods, midis? Anyone know of the existence (or nonexistence) of Robyn Hitchcock MODs or MIDIs? It struck me that most of the songs on Fegmania would translate very well... Daniel Saunders Life is heaven and hell. . - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: 01 Jul 96 01:56:23 EDT From: Doc <75602.2577@CompuServe.COM> Subject: She Said She Said >And yes, it started with Peter Fonda, which is why the original song was >called 'He Said...'. Lennon had been tripping away at Monkey Mickey >Dolenz's (sp?) house, while Fonda was having a bad time on the old >lysergic. 'I know what it's like to be dead', Mr. Fonda (allegedly) kept >repeating. Lennon, who obviously handled the extraordinarily high-quality >acid of those days rather better than some of us^X^X the people I know, >actaully remembered this. Fer those people that wanna read up on this little incident, youse can read _Lennon Remembers - The Rolling Stone Interviews_, which chronicles this and many other fun little stories of John's life. Look after yerselves... -Ed, Doc, amazed that it finally cooled down... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 23:23:37 -0700 From: gondola@deltanet.com (E.B.) Subject: Re: She Said She Said >The time of She Said She Said's bridge is basically 2/4, before the rest of >the song comes back in 4/4. >Mike Hardaker Not really. As I e-mailed RxBroome previously, the "She Said" bridge contains two measures of 4/4 ("She said you don't understand what I said, I said...") and then the rest of the bridge is in 3/4 ("...no, no, no, you're wrong....). I confirmed this by looking up the sheet music. You can count it out quite smoothly this way -- it's just that melody goes against the beat for two measures. When "boyyyy" kicks in, the rhythmic dissonance is resolved.... GB ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Insanity is a blue St. Bernard, waiting patiently and faithfully by the door." - overheard (unfortunately) on an IRC channel ------------------------------ From: NJARMAN@frmail.rosemount.com Subject: Giant Crabs Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 03:12:03 -0500 Does anybody on this list have any interest in, or know anything about the novels by Guy N. Smith about monster crabs :- o Night of the Crabs NEL 1976 o Killer Crabs NEL 1978 o Origin of the Crabs NEL 1979 o Crabs on the Rampage NEL 1981 o Crabs' Moon NEL 1984 o Crabs: The Human Sacrifice NEL 1988 In particular any link between these books and our man Robyn. Did they, could they have influenced tracks such as "Return of the sacred crab" and maybe other fishy influencies? The only book I need to find know is "Crabs: The Human Sacrifice" and I have the full set! Cheers, Nigel Jarman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 03:51:46 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: Re: Giant Crabs On Mon, 1 Jul 1996 NJARMAN@frmail.rosemount.com wrote: > Does anybody on this list have any interest in, or know anything about the > novels by Guy N. Smith about monster crabs [...] In particular any > link between these books and our man Robyn. An obvious, if indirect link ... the crab painting on the cover of _Invisible History_ began life as the cover of one of these classics. I fear I've forgotten which one, though. v \ - v - \ \ v Tracy "kao mianbao de nushen, jiushi wo" Copeland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 11:15:09 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: Giant Crabs I must obviously check out Guy Smith. I can recommend the film 'Mysterious Island' which includes a giant crabs sequence, choreographed by the great Ray Harryhausen. I recently found a load of Harryhausen info (including giant crab jpg's) at: http://www.leba.net/~jrodkey/hrryhusn.html - Mike Godwin PS Incidentally, there is also a book called 'The Year of the Angry Rabbit' featuring giant BUNNIES (fierce! fierce!). Can't remember who wrote it. A "scary" film 'Night of the Lepus' is based on this book and features the lolloping fiends. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 09:51:08 -0600 From: mbrage@surgery.bsd.uchicago.edu (Michael Brage) Subject: Uncarved Pumpkins 2 Hello all, I have a tape made that I would propose be a prototype for "Uncarved Pumpkins 2" If there is enough interest and approval, we can set up a tree. Side a 1. Strange (a performance on WXRT radio 1989) 2. Mr. Rock n' Roll (fully instrumented version from Queen Elvis demos may overlap with "Songs about fish..." tape) 3. More Chinese Boys (This overlaps from Uncarved Pumpkins 1. It's too good to not have, plus now there's continuity from the first tape) 4. Cool Bug Rumble (Mercury Lounge, 1995) 5. Trilobyte (Mercury Lounge, 1995) 6. Marquis De Sade (Suny, 1990) 7. Hanging Out With Dad (outtake from Queen Elvis demos, overlaps with "Songs about fish.." tape) 8. Wild Mountain Thyme (Mountain Stage performance, acoustic guitar/violin) 9. Are You Experienced? (Isle of Wright, 1995) 10. Kung Fu Fighting (live version, 1993, Oregon) 11. Pretty Woman (Soft Boys, outtake) 12. Live Man Die (outtake, Queen Elvis Demos) 13. Vomiting Cross (Kennel Club, 1991) 14. So You Think Your In Love (Compilation CD, Broadcasts Vol. 3, Austin) 15. The Devils Radio (Isle of Wright, 1995) Side b 1. She Was Sinister But She was Happy (early demo from compilation CD) 2. Beautiful Queen (Mercury Lounge, 1995, with Deni) 3. Odds and Ends (with Young Fresh Fellows, Seattle, 1994) 4. Evil Guy (outtake, Queen Elvis demos) 5. The Wind Cries Mary (Isle of Wright, 1995) 6. Octopus (venue and date unknown) 7. Rain (soundcheck, 1986) 8. It takes a lot to laugh, it takes a train to cry (Isle of Wright, 1995)) 9. Love Is (this is probably not the song title, it is from a radio broadcast date and venue not known to me) 10. Visions of Johanna (soundcheck, 1994) That's it, so far. There's still plenty of room on the tape. I'm expecting a few more tapes soon and I'll add any rarieties that may be on them. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 11:21:58 -0500 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: Re: Uncarved Pumpkins 2 >More Chinese Boys (This overlaps from Uncarved Pumpkins 1. It's too good >to >not have, plus now there's continuity from the first tape) >Love Is (this is probably not the song title, it is from a radio broadcast >date >and venue not known to me) >Evil Guy (outtake, Queen Elvis demos) all of these are on the first _uncarved pumpkins_ tape. i'd prefer to have other songs. i mean, there are so many that i haven't even heard. i've seen so many postings of b-sides and unrealeased stuff that it makes me all woosey. hey, how about a different title too? sequels can be so tiresome. ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 12:58:03 -0500 From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John, Jacci, & Madison) Subject: Re: Uncarved Pumpkins 2 > all of these are on the first _uncarved pumpkins_ tape. i'd prefer >to have other songs. i mean, there are so many that i haven't even heard. >i've seen so many postings of b-sides and unrealeased stuff that it makes >me all woosey. hey, how about a different title too? sequels can be so >tiresome. > > ken At one point I thought of using an anagram for the second volume. "Punk-Driven Campus" was the one I liked best, although there were lots more. There is an anagram server via WWW at: http://www.ssynth.co.uk/~gay/anagram.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "you're so boring boring boring / always tape machine recording you're so boring boring boring / and you've heard all this before" -Dead Kennedys john b. jones jojones@syr.edu http://web.syr.edu/~jojones -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 13:31:25 -0500 (CDT) From: John Tyson Littlejohn Subject: Re: Giant Crabs On Mon, 1 Jul 1996 NJARMAN@frmail.rosemount.com wrote: > Does anybody on this list have any interest in, or know anything about the > novels by Guy N. Smith about monster crabs :- > > o Night of the Crabs NEL 1976 > o Killer Crabs NEL 1978 > o Origin of the Crabs NEL 1979 > o Crabs on the Rampage NEL 1981 > o Crabs' Moon NEL 1984 > o Crabs: The Human Sacrifice NEL 1988 > > In particular any link between these books and our man Robyn. Did they, > could they have influenced tracks such as "Return of the sacred crab" Robyn getting crabs from some Guy! Make up your own joke *here*. JL ------------------------------ Subject: RE: New Robyn single, marketing implications thereof Date: Mon, 1 Jul 96 11:34:20 -0700 From: Tom Clark "'Fegmaniax!'" >Lennon, who obviously handled the extraordinarily high-quality >acid of those days rather better than some of us^X^X the people I know, >actaully remembered this. Oops! Did Mike's malfunctioning "Delete" key reveal some past indiscretions? ;-) -tc ************************************* * Tom Clark * Apple Computer, Inc. * tclark@apple.com * tclark@netgate.net * http://www.netgate.net/~tclark ************************************* "Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!" "Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you getting the picture?" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jul 1996 10:34:54 -0700 From: Nick Winkworth Subject: Robyn: funk or polk? I happened upon a couple of compilations this weekend, both featuring our hero, and both rather excellent in their own--very different--ways. Thought you'all might be interested... Official: Robyn is PUNK! Any of you who remember the late 70's with affection should check out a new Shanachie release "Punk, Lost and Found", which claims to be a collection of rarities and oddities of the period. It features a live version of the Soft Boys "(I Want To Be) An Anglepoise Lamp" along with what may be the first CD airing of one of my absolute fave 45's of the period, "Where's Captain Kirk" by the annually renamed Spizzenergi. Interestingly, it also features a classic punk workout (1:15!) by an outfit called Riff Raff, featuring a young Billy Bragg on vocals. Official: Robyn is FOLK! At the same time, I also picked up a not-so-new compilation called "The Best of Mountain Stage, Vol II" (Blue Plate Music) which includes a Robyn+Deni Bonet version of "Arms of Love" and a very decent collection of other artists including one song (admittedly atypical, but good nonetheless) by the incomparably wonderful June Tabor. Interestingly, the collection also includes a very nice outing by a certain Mr. Billy Bragg. By the way, I'd like to add my voice to those who are delighted that Robyn plans to tour the new ML stuff (ML=Muddled Listener??) with ...er, Billy Bragg. Do I detect a pattern emerging here? On another topic entirely: Can any other Bay Area fegs suggest a good place locally to order the new LP? (I'm assuming no-one will stock the vinyl release as a matter of course). Has anyone ever used that CDNow place that someone mentioned earlier? Given that those East Coast-ers managed to get together for a little event, do you suppose there enough of us here on the Left Coast to organize some kind of listening party of our own? Perhaps we all exist only in cyberspace... -Nick (Pinching his floppy disks to check that he really exists) ------------------------------ From: TPJSHEDS@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 15:24:21 -0400 Subject: England. Hello. I'm going to be in London (and around London) from July 6th to Aug 5th. Other than the Robyn show Aug 6th (that I'll miss by a day ) can any London residing fegs suggest places and/or things that might be of interest (other than the tourist stuff) to a guy like myself. I'm actually from London (so the documents say) , I just haven't been there for over 10 years, and I don't know what to expect or do. Thanks. Tim. ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Robyn: funk or polk? Date: Mon, 1 Jul 96 13:00:50 -0700 From: Tom Clark "Vyrna Knowl" >On another topic entirely: >Can any other Bay Area fegs suggest a good place locally to order the new >LP? (I'm assuming no-one will stock the vinyl release as a matter of >course). Has anyone ever used that CDNow place that someone mentioned >earlier? > I placed my Mossy Liquor order with CDNow! last Friday. Up until now, I've only ordered through the other online company, CDWorld, and had very good service. We'll see how these guys do. Locally, you might try "CD Warehouse" in Sunnyvale (on El Camino), they are the largest of the independants around here. >Given that those East Coast-ers managed to get together for a little >event, do you suppose there enough of us here on the Left Coast to >organize some kind of listening party of our own? Perhaps we all exist >only in cyberspace... > >-Nick (Pinching his floppy disks to check that he really exists) I've been hoping to do this for some time. However, my cup runneth over this summer for organizing such an event. I would love to participate, though. -tc ************************************* * Tom Clark * Apple Computer, Inc. "If you drink, don't drive. * tclark@apple.com Don't even putt." * tclark@netgate.net - Dean Martin * http://www.netgate.net/~tclark ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 96 13:03:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: SF Bay Area Fegs: said Nick: >On another topic entirely: >Can any other Bay Area fegs suggest a good place locally to order the new >LP? (I'm assuming no-one will stock the vinyl release as a matter of >course). Has anyone ever used that CDNow place that someone mentioned >earlier? You can probably order it anywhere. I imagine Tower will order several, they still carry Vinyl. Don't know if they'll hold it for you though. Vinyl Solution in San Mateo will definitely hold one for you. on a similar topic, I'll be visiting Berkeley on Wednesday. It's been about 15 years since I last visited a Berkeley record store...can anyone direct me to the most likely stores for rare Hitchcock material? I figure I have about a two hour window while my wife gets her massages and the like at the Clairmont. Nick continued... >Given that those East Coast-ers managed to get together for a little >event, do you suppose there enough of us here on the Left Coast to >organize some kind of listening party of our own? Perhaps we all exist >only in cyberspace... Nick's house. 8pm Friday. Bring beer. :) Russ. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 20:48:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael J. Swedene" Subject: CD bUrNeR?DeTaIlS FEGS! There was talk of getting a CD burner. Would the interested party, if they are serious, email me privately. I can get excellent pricing! Trust me! 2ndly- I will retype the Details article and attempt to scan the photos in and semd them to woj to post. More on that when I get time to breath. 3rdly- I have had no problems withthe online record service we have been talking about. They are quite reputable and very nice. 4thly- nothing else..... -HERBIE ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 00:07:06 -0400 Subject: She Said She Said, if anyone cares... Mike says: "The time of She Said She Said's bridge is basically 2/4, before the rest of the song comes back in 4/4" Someone else says: "it's not too difficult to chart. "She said you don't understand what I said, I said..." is in 4/4 (two measures), and then the rest of the bridge switches over to 3/4, starting with "No, no, no...." Simple enough??" So I rest my case-- it's weird, and nobody can quite agree (my Beatles Fake Book has yet a third take on the subject). What I hear is 4/4, and then the bridge goes to 2/4 and THEN 3/4 around "When I was a boy", and then back to 4/4 (next verse). The 3/4 section sound even weirder because A) Ringo plays a snare on every beat, creating the 2/4 illusion; B) there's a weird number of measures-- 9 or 11; they come in 3's rather than fours; and C) the vocal pretty much ignores the time signature anyway. I theorize that some of this weirdness was created by simply splicing out a count here and there; the Beatles were getting into that kind of theing at the time. Hardcore Beatlemaniax can doubtless shoot this theory down by quoting stats bout when they were in the studio recording this by date and time, to the second... Back to Robyn-- I think that one of the reasons Robyn is a rare, true descendant of the Fabs is that he, like the Beatles, can do those weird time signature things without sounding like an asshole-- I mean, it still sounds poppy. When the prog-rock contingent did weird and varied time signatures, and when people like Metallica do it even now, it reeks of pretension and a "look at my musical virtuosity!" attitude... in short, it sounds like shit and serves only the player's ego. When Robyn does it, it sounds very organic and song-oriented (also served during the SB's period to buck the punk trend). Not many people can do this stuff and remain hooky or melodic. The only other example I can think of right now is "Cattle and Cane" by the Go-Betweens. I know there are others, but they're few and far between. Rex ------------------------------ From: LORDK@library.phila.gov Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 9:01:39 -0400 (EDT) CC: LORDK@library.phila.gov Subject: Shaved by the crabs Well- contibutions were asked for. The next logical one is---he got crabs from some guy in the Smiths-- Oy K the borscht-belt Cap ------------------------------ From: "Aaron J. Sparrow" Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 11:29:17 -0500 Subject: Re: She Said She Said, if anyone cares... > Not many people can do this stuff and remain hooky or melodic. The > only other example I can think of right now is "Cattle and Cane" by the > Go-Betweens. I know there are others, but they're few and far between. In their first incarnation, as an art-punk band, Wire made extensive use of both time signature and key changes, and did so quite organically, although to describe most of their songs as "hooky" or "melodic" would be a stretch. Their third album, "154", is especially brilliant, and includes a song, "The Other Window", that has no apparent time signature or home key and yet is, in my opinion, quite listenable. Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 12:48:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Marc Horton Subject: CDNow! access Fegs-- I just noticed that the RH site no longer contains the music sources (or was I just smoking crack and completely missed them???) If anybody could e-mail me with a number, e-mail or website address for CDNow or any of the other places that would carry Mossy liquor, I would be most thankful... Marc Horton mhorton@viking.dvc.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 15:59:49 -0500 From: kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander) Subject: ROBYN & BILLY LIVE word is that billy bragg and robyn hitchcock will be touring together this year to promote the releases of their new albums. is there any information floating around out there about dates or venues? who will be the opening act or will they take turns? what about a duet? somebody please tell me that ticketbastard will not be involved. ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 13:59:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Griffith Davies Subject: a few questions... What songs were the b-sides for the 'Driving Aloud' single (all formats - 12", cd, etc)? Any thoughts on 'Live Death'? Should I purchase 'Invisible History'? Why is the cow lilac? cheers gdd3 ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies hbrtv219@dewey.csun.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:09:01 -0500 From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John, Jacci, & Madison) Subject: Re: ROBYN & BILLY LIVE Ken wrote: > word is that billy bragg and robyn hitchcock will be touring >together this year to promote the releases of their new albums. is there >any information floating around out there about dates or venues? who will >be the opening act or will they take turns? what about a duet? somebody >please tell me that ticketbastard will not be involved. This I know: The Rockin' Red Stars (Billy's backing band) are no more. So I imagine that for the tour, it will be just Billy and his guitar, or just Billy and Cara Tivey (keyboards and harmonies). Either way we win. It was fun to have a full band back Billy, but he is such a great storyteller--he really can work a crowd, and playing solo is more conducive to this. I also know that deni bonet is out there touring steadily, and Robyn has said that Deni will join him on violin for the shows. Deni's husband has worked as Billy Bragg's tour manager. I deduce from all these things that deni bonet (Deni and her band) will open for Billy and Robyn. Both Billy and Robyn have praised each other's music in interviews. They appeared together with REM as Bingohandjob. So they HAVE worked together onstage before. Hopefully they will appear together during the fall tour and do a few duets or other fun things. Extra bit of trivia: Both Robyn and Billy have sung "All the Young Dudes" with Jill Sobule (albeit at separate times.) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "you're so boring boring boring / always tape machine recording you're so boring boring boring / and you've heard all this before" -Dead Kennedys john b. jones jojones@syr.edu http://web.syr.edu/~jojones -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 17:11:29 -0500 From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John, Jacci, & Madison) Subject: Re: ROBYN & BILLY LIVE > word is that billy bragg and robyn hitchcock will be touring >together this year to promote the releases of their new albums. is there >any information floating around out there about dates or venues? who will >be the opening act or will they take turns? what about a duet? somebody >please tell me that ticketbastard will not be involved. almost forgot: can't remember where i heard it, but I did hear that Robyn would open for Billy. I have heard nothing about venues or dates. I wish Mrs. Wafflehead had e-mail access. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "you're so boring boring boring / always tape machine recording you're so boring boring boring / and you've heard all this before" -Dead Kennedys john b. jones jojones@syr.edu http://web.syr.edu/~jojones -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:16:10 -0400 From: flaky white stuff Subject: Re: CDNow! access also sprach Marc Horton : > I just noticed that the RH site no longer contains the music >sources (or was I just smoking crack and completely missed them???) i removed the listing of cd stores a month or so ago. i decided i didn't feel like maintaining such a list since it's difficult to keep up with the number of cd stores on the web. since people may be interested, i'll put a link to one of the web directories' listings of music stores with virtual storefronts. let someone else do the work. ;) >If anybody could e-mail me with a number, e-mail or website address for >CDNow or any of the other places that would carry Mossy liquor, I would >be most thankful... cdnow is at www.cdnow.com. other places that i bet will carry the record are vinyl ink record (vinyl.ari.net) and parasol records (www.cu-online.com/~parasol/). berkeley's mod lang probably will carry it too, though i don't think they are webified. i forget what their phone number is, but any goldmine should list it. new york's midnight records is also a possible candidate. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:19:43 -0400 From: flaky white stuff Subject: Re: ROBYN & BILLY LIVE also sprach kenster@MIT.EDU (Ken Ostrander): > word is that billy bragg and robyn hitchcock will be touring >together this year to promote the releases of their new albums. is there >any information floating around out there about dates or venues? september/october is the general time frame. no dates that i know of have been announced yet. i'm sure they will be posted on fegmaniax the day they are. >who will be the opening act or will they take turns? unclear. >what about a duet? who knows? >somebody please tell me that ticketbastard will not be involved. hah hah. of course they will. they always are. *but* you don't have to resort to ticketslime to get your tickets! patronize your local box office or find people to do so for you. i haven't paid a ticket master service charge or handling fee since 1992. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 1996 18:42:38 -0400 From: flaky white stuff Subject: Re: a few questions... also sprach Griffith Davies : >What songs were the b-sides for the 'Driving Aloud' single far as i know, the only two "driving aloud" singles were promos: a single-track disc in a cardboard sleeve and one in a gatefold cardboard sleeve that included "alright yeah" as a b-side. woj ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .