From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #120 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 120 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- non 4/4 Re: non 4/4 Re: non 4/4 Re: non 4/4 unrelated to robyn... Re: unrelated to robyn... FYI Homer New Robyn single, marketing implications thereof. release date? Re: Child of the Universe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 15:57:30 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: non 4/4 This time I went and listened rather than using dodgy pold memories... >Railway Shoes is a waltz (well the chorus is, anyway) all of it is >The Wreck of the Arthur Lee is in a pretty odd rhythm (6/8 possibly?) no, intro is 4/4, slow verses alternate bars of 3/4 and 4/4 in the verse (3,4,3,4,4,4; 3,4,3,4,4,4,2) then the chorus has bars of 4/4 and 2/4 (4,2,4,2,4,4). The faster part is straight 4/4 >The 'Ted Woody and' bit seems to break time, but I haven't listened to it >for a long time. nope, it's, erm, straight 4/4 >'I'm only you' changes rhythm at the end, but probably stays in 4/4 it does, although it speeds up during the "Eight Miles High"- influenced ending. Y&O: Don't You (3/4); The Dust (3/4, or triplets over 4/4); Into It (3/8, or triplets again); The Ghost Ship (3/4); If I could look (3/4, rubato) IODOT: Nocturne (various); Uncorrected PT (various); Flavour of Night (3/4); IODOT (3/4); Heartful of leaves (I give up!) QE: The Devil's Coachman (3/4); Superman (3/4) EOL: surprisingly, all 4/4 (except for the intro to Bass, 6/8). I've never noticed before how alike the intros to Lady Waters and Underwater Moonlight are to each other. Feg: Insect Mother (various, confused by the fact that the guitar motif is in 6/8); Glass (intro in 7/8) PI: Earthly Paradise (3/4) GD & BSDR: all straight 4/4 Respect: Yip Song (yips are triplets over 4/4); The Moon Inside (triplets again, or possibly 3/8); Arthur Lee (see above) GLTHO: Leppo (3/4, well the instruments are. RH alone knows what he's singing in!) GH: Chinese water python (3/4); Executioner (4/4, but with triplets); College of Ice (3/4); Transparent Lover (no idea) IHitch: Falling Leaves (3/4); Star of Hairs (triplets over 4/4); Vegetable Friend (various); Abandoned Brain (too rubato to tell) (wouldn't you LOVE to hear Shane McGowan sing this?) CanOBs: Leppo (see GLTHO); Fatman's son (mainly in 7/8) IHits: The Asking Tree (9/8); Muriel's Hoof (3/4 - try doing a jig to this!); Rout of the Clones (very fast triplets - don't try doing a jig to this!!!); Love Poisoning (verse in 9/8 - a slip-jig) my copy of GoF and UM are both lent out. I've probably missed some, but that's most of them! James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 02:05:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: non 4/4 > QE: The Devil's Coachman (3/4); Superman (3/4) Superman is in 4/4. The bass is, at least. It's all in straight 4/4 time. [Or is it in 3/4 with quadruplets?] Also, the beginning countoff goes 1,2,3,4... > GLTHO: Leppo (3/4, well the instruments are. RH alone knows what he's > singing in!) Leppo: Guitars: 3/4 Vocal: 4/4 > IHits: The Asking Tree (9/8); Muriel's Hoof (3/4 - try doing a jig to > this!); Rout of the Clones (very fast triplets - don't try doing a jig to > this!!!); Love Poisoning (verse in 9/8 - a slip-jig) Love Poisoning (Track 8) Verse: 3/4. Or 9/8 if you push the measures together Chorus: 4/4 Hole in Heart Line: 6/8 Bridge: Guitar: 3/4 Bass and Drums: 4/4 [I think] Love Poisoning (Track 15) Terrence "The Human Mellotron" Marks ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 11:22:40 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: Re: non 4/4 Hi James Brilliant work! > I've never noticed before how alike the intros to Lady Waters and > Underwater Moonlight are to each other. I guess that a weird tuning is responsible, possibly even a re-entrant tuning { i.e. 'lower' string(s) tuned above 'higher' string(s) }... On the old old dispute re triplets in 4/4 as against genuine bars of 3/4, my understanding is that it centres on whether (a) the bar length remains identical or (b) the note length remains identical; but my brain is so fried by taxation research that I can't remember which is which... - Mike PS at a guess, (a) is triplets and (b) is alternating bars. And if that's correct, what is the difference between alternating bars and straight 7/4? Accents, maybe? PPS I'll go with 'function' (or possibly 'bunction'?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 96 06:16:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: non 4/4 >Leppo: >Guitars: 3/4 >Vocal: 4/4 More importantly, the bass is 3/4 while the drums are 4/4 (or 2/4 perhaps?). Bass & Drum set your rhythm. On the chorus, everybody joins together on a nice, neat 4/4. I think. Whatta brilliant tune! -russ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:21:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Eugene B Mirman Subject: unrelated to robyn... Hi. Sorry to do this, but I'm trying to find a place to get lots of good blank tapes for a fairly cheap amount (about 50-100 tapes). Lots of people do trading on this list, so I thought maybe some of you know where I could order tapes in bulk? 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I saw Robyn perform with Homer in London this winter and was wondering if anyone has seen Homer's album for sale in the states (where I am now). Also, would anyone be willing to pick up a copy for me in the UK if I sent them a check (I think this would probably be prohibitively expensive, but perhaps it's worth a shot...) Thanks :) -Pete ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 23:42:43 -0400 Subject: New Robyn single, marketing implications thereof. For a truly screwy Beatles middle 8, see "She Said She Said". My band does this one, but can only get through the bridge (which ain't truly a bridge) by rote-- none of us can quantify the time changes. I've heard several bands find ways to fake it, inevitably losing the signature stream-of-consciousness delivery of the vocal. Neat story behind the lyric, too; I'm sure most of you know it (briefly, the titular "She" is a very lysergically-enhanced Peter Fonda). Yeah, what's Robyn's new single? The choice will be very telling as to what kind of commodity Warner thinks they have in Our Boy-- Quirky Weirdo (cf. Beck, TMBG), Singer-Songwriter (no examples necessary), Rebounding Alterna-Icon (cf. Paul Weller, Elvis Costello, Edwyn Collins, anyone else with initials "EC"), Modern Popster (cf. Eric Matthews, and, erm, not many of these around these days, actually), or something else. My guess is that they'll target "Adult Album Alternative" stations with a relatively unchallenging track (if they can find one) the way A&M pushed "SYTYIL" to then-still-jangle-friendly commercial alternative stations. That approach, sadly, doesn't show off the qualities of Robyn's work that make his fans so devoted-- for example, at the time of "SYTYIL" there was enough similar pop stuff out there that it wouldn't have converted ME if I hadn't been a pre-Feg. Mind you, if I heard something like "SYTYIL" on the radio NOW amidst all the flaccid crap that's out there, I would rush out and buy the album immediately. Oh, how my standards have fallen! Hence my acceptance of Oasis, who circa 1989 would've fallen into that GodfathersHoodooGurusSmithereensGuadalcanalDiaryCloseLobsters category of "imminently listenable but entirely disposible". Quoth the Buzzcocks, "How I hate modern music!" Rex ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 00:59:27 -0400 (EDT) From: James Isaacs Subject: release date? I saw an artivle in the local newspaper concerning new releases this summer, and it showed "Moss Elixir" to have a release date of July 23rd. Misinformed? James ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:30:44 +0200 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Child of the Universe On Thu, 27 Jun 1996 22:52:40 -0400 RxBroome@aol.com wrote: >A few months back we were discussing Robyn songs that shared titles with >other artists' compositions, and I don't think anyone caught this one >(slipped my mind, too)... the latter-day Byrds had a not-that-great song >called "Child of the Universe" which appeared on the "Dr. Byrds and Mr. Hyde" >LP and also, with a bunch of orchestration added, on the soundtrack to the >movie "Candy". In fact, of everything we came up with, this is the only song >that I think Robyn might have actually consciously named after a previously >recorded song. > >Interestingly, Robyn's version also has a bit of orchestration and also isn't >all that great. Don't forget Barclay James Harvest's "Child Of The Universe" (on "Berlin", for example...) :-) I like it, if only for nostalgic reasons... guess you could call it a guilty pleasure. Greetings, Sebastian ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. *sob* .