From: fegmaniax@ecto.org To: fegmaniax-digest@ecto.org Reply-To: fegmaniax@ecto.org Subject: Feg Digest V4 #114 Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 114 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- I know I know "Their" Song ISO katrina CDs Re: "Their" Song Re: I know I know GF CD (last time) RE: Middle Eight RE: Middle Eight Re: Muddle Eights Re: Fwd: Muddle Eights No. I am not tired of saying it. ------------------------------ From: firstcat@lsli.com Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 09:56:04 Subject: I know I know I know I'll take some heat for this, cause I did last time I uttered these words.... the new Beck cd is great.....highly recommended, as is the new Lyle Lovett Jay _____________________________________ "And does she ever whisper in his ear all her favorite fruit?" ---Camper Van Beethoven ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall Channel Sales Director Livermore Software Laboratories, Intl. 2825 Wilcrest, Suite 160 Houston, Texas 77042-3358 1-713-974-3274 jay@lsli.com Date: 6/20/96 ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:06:57 -0600 From: mbrage@surgery.bsd.uchicago.edu (Michael Brage) Subject: "Their" Song Fegs, A couple of things: Did the feg couple who were searching for "their song" ever announce what they have chosen? Just curious. Also, for those vinyl hounds among us, have you noticed how much improved the quality of vinyl pressings are here in the States? I just played Elvis Costello's "All This Useless Beauty" and it sounds beautiful with no surface noise present. I wonder what the difference is. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:59:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: ISO katrina CDs I'm seeking any Katrina & the Waves CD as a gift for a friend...there don't seem to be any for sale over here. Are they in the shops over there in UK? and would someone consent to buying one if recompensated? Alternatively, mail order might be an option. happy summer thunder, bayard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:20:21 -0500 From: Jay Brownlee Subject: Re: "Their" Song At 11:06 AM 6/20/96 -0600, you wrote: >Fegs, > >A couple of things: > >Did the feg couple who were searching for "their song" ever announce what >they have chosen? Just curious. Well, Sarah & I never really decided on a specific "our song" because we've both been really busy and never got a chance to discuss the idea in full. However, recently our schedules have come together a bit better, and we think we've decided on "Heaven" even though no one from the list suggested it. The happy news is that we're still a merry li'l feg couple, and I'm moving to be closer to her, which will, indeed, be "Heaven". Jay & Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:30:18 -0400 (EDT) From: the magus Subject: Re: I know I know > I know I'll take some heat for this, cause I did last time I uttered these words.... > > the new Beck cd is great.....highly recommended, as is the new Lyle Lovett no heat from me. the new beck disc is brilliant. one word- ramshackle... cory "hand me downs, flypaper towns, stuck together..." http://www.duke.edu/~car3 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:18:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: GF CD (last time) I have found someone else to help with making the CD's. I believe we will now have enough for everyone. So you may all go ahead and send me your checks. $20 to play. I'll be at the big philly feg bash tomorrow night, so those of you so inclined may give me the dough in person. Bayard L. Catron IV 5905 Greentree Road Bethesda, MD 20817 USA For those who don't know me, be assured this is strictly on the level. And as these will be about as rare as _Greasy Demon Jet of Fiends_, and (very arguably) better, the things might be worth something in a few thousand years... (; ------------------------------ From: Mike Hardaker Subject: RE: Middle Eight Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:56:24 +0200 Just to clarify the issue slightly, the middle eight is so called because it is eight bars long in the traditional jazz (or, more accurately, 20s and 30s pop music) structure. Just about *every* jazz standard is 32 bars long, broken into four sections of eight bars. The first, second and fourth are the same (although the fourth may resolve itself differently in the last couple of bars), while the bridge section is different. Becuase the bride was in the middle, and nearly always eight bars long, bridges became generically known as 'middle eights' even though many of them ar not eight bars long, these days. In 'real' blues, by the way, middle eights are rare - most blues songs use a single, repeating 12-bar pattern. A well-known exception is St Louis Blues, which has a minor key middle eight (yes, it's eight bars long) which begins with the 'St Louis Woman' line. A more typical example is something like I Got Rhythm, where you get the basic 'I got rhythm, I got music' 8-bar pattern twice and then the 'Old man trouble' bridge, followed by the opening pattern with a resolution at the end. But you can take just about any piece of popular music written between, say, 1920 and 1960 and see the same damn structure - from As Time Goes By to Somewhere Over The Rainbow. RH uses bridges in quite a lot of his songs, sometimes (as in So You Think You're In Love) two of 'em. Perhaps his most traditional bridge is in My Favourite Buildings ('Nobody seems to know...') The punk groups, generally didn't have bridges, sticking with a blues-like structue of verse, verse, verse, instrumental (over the verse chords) verse. You can replace the 'verse' with 'verse+chorus' if you like... ======================================================= Mike Hardaker e-mail: hardaker@iafrica.com mike@sacb.co.za mhardaker@cix.compulink.co.uk WWW: http://mickey.iafrica.com/~hardaker/ (The Hole In The Wall) Tel: +27 ((0)21) 419 0799 Fax: +27 ((0)21) 419 0787 ======================================================= "I'd like to reassure you, But I'm not that kind of guy." - Robyn Hitchcock ======================================================= ------------------------------ Subject: RE: Middle Eight Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:36:47 -0700 From: Tom Clark "'Fegmaniax!'" Mike informed us: >The punk groups, generally didn't have bridges, sticking with a blues-like >structue of verse, verse, verse, instrumental (over the verse chords) >verse. You can replace the 'verse' with 'verse+chorus' if you like... For the most part this is true. However, many Sex Pistols songs contained wicked bridges. I don't have the disc with me, but I believe "Holidays In The Sun" busts into a major middle eight. "Take Me To The Bridge, Maceo!" -tc ************************************* * Tom Clark * Apple Computer, Inc. "Knowledge Is Good" * tclark@apple.com - Emile Faber * tclark@netgate.net * http://www.netgate.net/~tclark ************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 20:42:05 -0500 (CDT) From: John Tyson Littlejohn Subject: Re: Muddle Eights I've only been on this net for a couple of days, but I've caught a lot of stuff about RH's best/worst and about middle eights. I would to like to combine these two subjects and nominate "The Yip Song" for worst middle eight. It's of no value in and of itself; and it's detrimental to the song as well. JL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 22:10:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Terrence Marks Subject: Re: Fwd: Muddle Eights > I would to like to combine these two subjects and nominate "The Yip Song" > for worst middle eight. It's not very good in and of itself; and it > doesn't help the song at all, quite the contrary in fact. How about you clarify where the middle 8 you mean begins and ends? the bit from "Coma high.." to "believe in making it easy" is what the song is all about..I mean that IS the meaning... The bit after that of Rob and the gang humming "Easy" to each other and the yip vamp is rather pointless, though Terrence "The Human Mellotron" Marks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 21:52:22 CDT From: Truman Peyote Subject: No. I am not tired of saying it. Ok, I'm not at all tired of repeating my opinion on this, though it's possible (likely, in fact) that you're tired of hearing me say it. So to save you a bit of time, I'll make it reeeeeally simple and brief. Queen Elvis is awful. Period. Everything other than Devil's Coachman is kinda embarrassing (though Madonna is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me on a nice sunny day or something like that). Blech. Don't much care fer Perspex either, and aside from a couple good tunes (like "Arms of Love", which I do like), don't much care for "Respect" either. Difficult? No, not really. I would say "Eye" is quite a bit harder to tackle, especially for the casual Robyn listener- many people on this list, hardly casual listeners, don't even like it. I, on the other hand, think it is effing amazing, beautiful, stunning and all that. The best thing since beer in a can. Well, that was sorta brief, anyway. I won't bother with detailed arguments either way, since we've all pretty much chosen up sides in this battle long ago. Just felt strongly enough about the issue to say it again. By the way, if you want to pick a nasty fight with me, you should wait until AFTER Friday, as it is my birthday :). Cheers, Susan P.S. Anyone hear about the Jarvis Cocker/Brit Awards controversy? Opinions? The whole thing doth make my sides ache, to tell the truth. Go Jarvis Go! Take a baseball bat with you next time and whack his Sequinedness a good one just for me! I also hear that the brothers Gallagher behaved extremely badly....of course they're obliged to act like yobs, it's part of their job description. WAS ROBYN EVEN INVITED? Probably not, since the press and all themn fellers seem to make a point of ignoring one of the finest songwriters alive in order to find out who Damon Albern is shagging this week :). And say, how come he was invited to participate in the London Poetry Olympics along with his betters Nick Cave and the godly Ray Davies, while the truly deserving (our own Mr. Deadly) was not even thought of? Disgraceful. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. .