Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 78 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: vegetarian cats V.C. Re: Some Body - some thoughts Re: homosexual vegetarian cats yer all so QUICK! Veggie Cats: the Final Word Robyn Responds to the FEGMANIAX VIRTUAL INTERVIEW! [long] Electric "Frogs" Re: Oh how I love the shrubbery..... Leppo sighting Useless Robyn facts Post number 555 THAT kind of vegetarian cat More Zebedee man things Certainly Similar Re: RE: Some Body - some thoughts RE: Some Body - some thoughts ------------------------------ From: savinien@ea.oac.uci.edu Subject: Re: vegetarian cats Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 18:50:20 -0700 > "I've never seen a vegetarian cat"............this sounded weird to me, so I > played "Ive Got a Message for You" and lo and behold (lo and behold, looking > for my lo and behold!) the version I have does not have that lyric anywhere. the song's "how do you work this thing." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 21:22:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Terry Marks Subject: V.C. The Vegetarian Cat thing is, in fact, from "How do you work this thing?". And this thread is beginning to turn into a bad episode of "Are You being Served?"... Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:12:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: Some Body - some thoughts >not to mention a total horror from Andy Metcalfe). Nope...Robyn on bass. Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 21:50:15 -0500 From: Jay Brownlee Subject: Re: homosexual vegetarian cats At 06:23 PM 4/25/96 CDT, you wrote: >"I've never seen a vegetarian cat"............this sounded weird to me, so I >played "Ive Got a Message for You" and lo and behold (lo and behold, looking >for my lo and behold!) the version I have does not have that lyric anywhere. >Since I was taking the version from IH, I was wondering if this could be a >lyric from a live bootleg, perhaps. Enlighten me :). Oh, crap.Heh. Could I have been INCORRECT in my explanation? Should I blame it on Sarah to save my own ego? ;} Damn, now I gotta go listen again, I guess. ;) >(abrupt transition alert) I would also assume that Robyn has in fact seen >BOTH types of vegetarian cat. But here's the question: A friend of mine (a >fan though not a fegmaniac) once told me that Robyn had weighed in on the >question of homosexuality in English public schools with the opinion that >"well, what else were we going to do there?" or some other such. My friend >was hazy on this but believes it was a piece in Time or Newsweek. Anyone here >read the article or know about it? If so, could you maybe tell a bit more >exactly what the quote was and in what context? I'd appreciate it muchly. >Inquiring minds want to know. Robyn's quote about homosexuality goes something like this (seen in at least two places): "I'm not gay, but I went to all the right schools." Which I consider to be an excellent explanation, Robyn-wise, I think. Jay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 21:59:32 CDT From: Truman Peyote Subject: yer all so QUICK! Thank you all for the quick answer on the veg. cat thing. I'm glad to know I am not randomly going deaf :) and missing lines in songs I thought I knew perfectly well. In other words, it's someone else's mistake, so I feel a little better :), but not much, not being familiar with "How Do You Work This Thing?". It must be on GD or something (that's the only one I don't have besides Queen Elvis, but something tells me this is an earlier tune than Queen E. vintage). Hmm.....as for the RS article......highly possible. I had had the impression that this was an article where various British artists were interviewed, but as is visibly demonstrated elsewhere, I could be wrong. The Rolling Stone part sounds right, more so than Time or Newsweek, but I swear that's what I was originally told :). Susan who thinks maybe "how do you work this thing?" would be a perfect song to express her feelings towards unix programming ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 23:47:07 -0400 Subject: Veggie Cats: the Final Word For any of you who reside in cities where a local alterna-rag carries Cecil Adams' weekly column "The Straight Dope", check out this week's installment for the last word on WHY Robyn has never seen a vegetarian cat. As to Kay's form of VegCat... red-stained lips or no, I would maintain that we're still discussing a primarily carnivorous form of life... the occasional, presumably inanimate China Pug excepted... And the electric "Globe of Frogs"... yes, where can this be found? I remember it from several live shows and have known of a studio version for a while... can it be found on CD? (NB I haven't abandoned vinyl so much as it's abandoned me, with the death of my turntable...) Succinctly yours, Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 23:57:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Robyn Responds to the FEGMANIAX VIRTUAL INTERVIEW! [long] "Who's been feeding tomahtoes to the cat/I have never seen a vegetarian cat/I just want to sleep on you and leave it at that" is from the neglected masterpiece "How do you work this thing?". The generously sexual nature of this song suggests K may well be right in her assumptions (I find it interesting that there was no (public) response when she mused about the dimensions of our hero's male member, yet people are up in ..arms about this latest theory :) I got a package from Sincere the other night with answers to the questions woj compiled from the list a year or two ago. A few of you might still be around from those days, so I'm going to type in his responses. Also, A Source Close to Robyn says not only will SurferCat (or whatever) be released on both cd and vynil, but the two formats will contain _different material_! We insane collectors get more stuff, Robyn sells more "product" and hopefully makes more money. We all come out ahead. Unfortunately, I don't have a record player. Here are your questions and Robyn's answers (indented). Comments in brackets are mine. Thanks go to Herbie, Owen, Crackity, Mike, Karen, Seven, Simon, Partridge John, Russ, Jeff, Gene, Bruce, the other Mike, Vashty, Vince, Sebastian, Cynthia, Pam and me for some digging questions. 1) Around the time of the Respect tour I heard that you were going to be taking some time off from the music to devote more time to your painting. A first I was disappointed, thinking we wouldn't see you again for a while, but then got caught up in daydreams of seeing a touring exhibit of your work on canvas. Have you ever done an exhibit? How might a west-coast fan see more of your work? I should have amassed enough work for an exhibition by the end of the century, but I don't know where I'll exhibit. 2) I've often thought of attempting a stained-glass adaptation of the Respect cover painting. Would you have any objection to such a project? No, you're welcome. 3) Thanks for taking the time to create a special t-shirt commemorating your surprise gig with the Young Fresh Fellows in Seattle last fall. That was a remarkable show, and we were thrilled to have been there! Me too! 1) Is there any chance for a possible touring display of his paintings? See above. It's a great idea, but I'd have to get sponsorship, insurance, roadies etc. 2) Also, I've been give the impression that a U.S. Soft Boys tour couldn't be worked out due to conflicts (both time-related and personal, I believe) with Kimberly Rew. Is a Soft Boys tour minus Kimberly might be possible? [spelling of "Kimberley" corrected] It's possible, but unlikely. However, it's our 20th anniversary in November, so some of us might do something 3) I'm not sure how goofy a question this last one is, but if he has any insights on being a Piscean songwriter, I'd be interested. (Pisces being the sign which tends to be a sponge of its environment, very sensitive to disharmony, extremely perceptive, etc. etc. He shares this distinction with George Harrison and the late Kurt Cobain.) Pisces is not a good rock star sign. We're not leader-types. But it has character. The greatest strength is intuition. Weakness is being over-influenced. 1) Why don't you play in Germany more often? How do you feel about the country? You speak German pretty well, so I'd assume you feel some affinity to our country. One tour per decade is pretty lame, don't you think? I tour where there is a demand. So far Germany has demanded two tours ('86 & '91) 1) Do you feel torn sometimes between wanting to remain a musician with a defined artistic bent and a strong cult following, or having the financial security that goes along with being more of a mainstream success, with all its compromises? I do what comes naturally. So does Phil Collins Each artist finds their own level in the market place. Compromise is impossible Vince: Hi, Vince! 1) Do you see yourself giving up music to persue other artistic endevours (ala Van Vliet)? Yeah, when I get menopausal, which is about every ten years. Music is my priority - when I can't write songs, I do everything else. 1) I'd like to know now that much of your body of work is available again which album he was the most happy with, and on which you have had the most artistic freedom. [lines drawn from the words 'he' and 'you', and the question 'How many of me are there?'] I've had the most freedom on the ones without a band, and those have been the happiest recording sessions. Not necessarily the best albums, tho. 2) I'd also like to hear you talk about Bob Dylan, but I can't for the life of me think of a decent question in that vein. I don't think he's very happy. He's the reason I became a musician - he's also one of the reasons I've never been thirsty for fame. 3) I'd like to hear your opinion of some of the modern 'retrodelic' bands. They're better than Spandau Ballet. 4) And when the hell are you coming back to Charlottesville :) Any day now 5) Oh yeah: I'd love to hear you talk about the DC Tower Records incident. ["DC" corrected to "Boston"] It's in the past, where it belongs. [this was when record store personnel stuck him in a room to wait before signing things, and he improved some already- signed Clapton posters by drawing on them.] 1. Someone has offered to put _Glass Flesh_, our tribute project, on indie CD's. Do you think it would be possible to work something out with the Waffleheads for selling/distributing such a CD (and the tapes, for that matter). All profits would go to you, I would hope. Who should we contact specifically at Mrs. Wafflehead? (again, we the tribute artists are not selling tapes.) [just a question mark] [I still haven't heard from the old boy about these. Mrs. Wafflehead quite liked them, though] 2. A lady called Michelle Skoorka has implored me to ask you if you know how to contact your sometime tour manager Howie Gilbert. She said you would proably remember her as the girl who moved from Brookly to Philly and had a lot of crazy tattoos. [Michelle's contact info deleted] OK. 3. As you know, some of your fans tape record your performances for their own personal listening enjoyment. Is this acceptable to you? Yeah. Live shows are always better than records. People who tape shows have all the albums anyway.. And secondly, some more fanciful questions; 4. What is your earliest memory? Lying in a pram underneath a pine tree looking up at a kipper tied to the topmost branch. 5. What do you generally dream about; is there a dream that sticks out especially in your mind, or a favorite? Catching a 1940's train with an old style buffet car, on a Sunday, going by Reading and Oxford. Also seeing fish in the grass. Writhing through the blades. And being in a big glass tank upside down with some huge dead fish. 6. What has been the best and/or worst moment in your life thus far? On a similar note, what were your worst (many to choose from I'm sure) and best interviews? [answered only with a slash below] 7. What was the first thing you bought with your own money? A key. 8. (a). If you could ask questions of Lennon, Dylan, Barrett etc, what would you ask them? (b) What would -your- answer to these questions be? I would say, Rest In Peace. 9. What do you believe happens to a soul after death, if anything? What is the extent of your belief in the spiritual, supernatural or occult worlds, if any? Heaven and Hell are now. The rest is silence. 10. What is it that you most desire? To fuly appreciate what I already have. 11. What has gone wrong in the music industry and can it be fixed? If so, how? As with the music biz, so with the world. Greed, loneliness, the pursuit of the fast buck. This may change when nobody can own anything anymore. 12. (If they're not green and gold), what are your favorite colors? all colours except orange and brown and grey. How about best liked foods, songs (both yours and others'). Avacados | I've sung Prawns | all my Artichokes | favorite songs. Apples | Bananas | Roast Potatoes | 13. Who is the female you most admire? Why? Women have more shit to contend with in this world than men, so are generally more admirable. Two that spring to my mind are Germanine Green and my mother, Joyce. In fiction, there's Sigourney Weaver in 'Alien'. My favorite women songwriters are Chrissie Hynde and Tanya Donnely. But why do I say 'songwriters' and 'female songwriters'? Because females have babies and men don't? Our sickness is inherited and our visions are shrunken. We need to re-examine EVERYTHING we take for granted in our attitudes. But there's no time - too much television to watch... 14. I'm sure you'll be asked this by many others, but I might as well put it in-- If you could be any sort of fish, what fish would you be (if any-- perhaps at this point you have grown too used to being human). A trout. In clear water surrounded by rich green water-weeds. They flick and they're gone. That should do-- thanks very much for taking time to answer our questions Robyn, as many as you have the inclanation to do. 1) Do you listen to Neil Young, and if not, what sparked him to start playing harmonica? I started in the winter of 92... simply because I was not playing with people, was writing songs that had parts that I did not want to hum or wistle ( And because I listen to Neil Young ). Sparked who? Are you suggestiong that Neil Young plays harmonica because I started listening to him? Ever heard Bob Dylan? 1. Are there any plans to reissue any of the live Soft Boys material? Do you think there's a problem with Soft Boys bootlegs? Have you got some? 2. I've got a friend interested in releasing the Surfer Ghost material (he's already done a few records), would you be interested? Give us his number and we'll send round the cops 3. The song "Mellow Together" from IODOT makes me think it's Neil from the Young Ones tv show singing. Was that done on purpose? You mean, did I deliberately sing that way? No, I sang the whole thing by accident. 4. Will we ever see the re-release of any of the Maureen and the Meatpackers or Dennis and the Experts stuff? (or, what do you think of collector geeks like me?) No, in a word. 5. Did he really play in a band called the Symptoms? Ask him. 6. Would you contact me the next time you plays New Orleans so I can show you the sites (cemetaries, churches, and fish stores)? Probably not. [if :)'s existed in Robyn's world, I suspect the responses above would be peppered with them... ] 1) Being a songwriter myself, I intensely admire your songs Robyn for both their intelligent lyrics and supurb music (esp. the harmonies which are truly astounding). Having said that, I was wondering HOW you write your material? Do you sit down for an hour a day and *WRITE* a la Philip Glass, or is it something that just happens whenever? And do you find that the words or music come first? Or both? Any ideas or views on songwriting would be greatly appreciated at this end :-) I write a list of titles and go from there. Songwriting begets songwriting. But you can't force it. You can't catch what ain't there. 2) With the current re-issues on both the Ryko and Rhino labels, it seems that some media attention is finally starting to come your way. Do you think it's "about time" that your music started being heard by the general masses or do you really give a flying leap less about all that B.S.? Are you ever even interested in gaining "public acceptance" (which are the most dangerous words for an artist to hear)? Personally I don't care if anyone else likes your music since I like and will alawys remain liking it :-) (Some attitude eh? ;-) ) I've been doing interviews for years. People buy my records. I'm accepted, I think. I'm an artist, not a king. 3) Have you ever met a fish you've never liked? ;-) Yeah, but it wasn't a fish. 1) How would you like to be remembered? Gently. By people leaning on a rail at twilight, watching the sky grow dark. 1. What happened to the eyes in the railing-posts on the front cover to "I Often Dream of Trains"? They're missing on the Rhino reissues. I completely forgot about the eyes. Do you want us to send you some? 2. Any chance you'll release the "Angel Upstairs" song from circa 1987? I've forgotten that, as well. 3. What's the status of the book of your paintings / lyrics? About the same status as the Dawning of Human Empathy. No - a bit more likely. See '6'-- 4. Would you agree that McCartney is to the Beatles as Cleese is to Monty Python? (And maybe Lennon's pair is therefore Chapman (Graham not Mark).) What (didn't Eric Idle play McCartney in the Rutles?) are the karmic implications of these parallels? No, John Cleese is closer to John Lennon. Both vital, tormented, angry men. Tho' Lennon had a tender streak. 5. Do you know where Mervyn Peake is buried? (Titus must be a Groan man by now.) Was he buried? 6. What're the odds of putting out a spoken-word-only CD? Eventually. I am working very slowly on a book of short stories. Writing is my lowest priority. 1) Why are glass, flesh and disease mentioned in so many songs? Is it due to something that happened to you as a child? I ask that because Salvador Dali found a dead animal full of ants when he was a kid, and consequently had an ant continuity throughout much of his work. I mention things I like, or things that prey on my mind. They feast on my head. Demons with prongs and fishing rods, in case I ever become a trout. Man, it's heavy. 1) What is the last line of Aquarium? All you need is love, but all you get is: a) a frame b) afraid <----[a checkmark here.] c) a friend d) none of the above e) all of the above f) sod off 2) What is being chanted in the chorus of Child of the Universe? "Dot-to-dot-you, dot you, like you." I don't sing that one much. 1) Not a question (I have none) but I'd like to extend an invitation. You see, I work at the Maritime Center at Norwalk, Connecticut, an aquarium and museum. During your week touring the Southern New England area in April, I'd be delighted to take you on a personal tour if you were so inclined. My phone number is [deleted] and e-mail address is [deleted]. Thanks for your offer. You don't appear to have a name. The tour is over, but thank you anyway... 1) Do you feel that the media verse of "I Wanna Destroy You" is less, equally, or more applicable today than in 1980 and why? Probably more. The media, like the economy, exists for its own sake. These two will shortly be joined by the computer, and mankind can write itself out of the picture entirely. 2) How do you come up with a song? See above. 3) What's your favorite species of fish? See above. 1) How has the search for a label been going? What label can we expect to see you recording on? When can we expect a new album? Are the new songs you have been playing on your recent solo tour part of the SURFER GHOST album? Do studio versions of this stuff exist? (apart from K records release) Also, at this juncture I would like to cast my vote for the songs "A Happy Bird is A Filthy Bird" (which I heard during your soundcheck in Ottawa) and "Surfer Ghost" (which I heard on a KCRW-FM interview). You should play these in your live shows. I have a new record coming out (hopefully) in the spring on Warner Brothers. 'Surfer Ghost' was the working title for a discarded project with the Egyptians. Thankyou for your vote. 'Filthy Bird' is on the album, 'Surfer Ghost' isn't. 2) What is your opinion on people taping your shows and trading them amongst themselves? Are you aware of the massive amounts of recordings out there? (This is meant as a compliment) See above. 3) I am most impressed by the amount of songs you have that have never been released on CD, and would like to know more about the following songs: Evil Guy --In the vault September Cones -- on you & oblivion Love in the Garden of Light(???), Love is What Frightens You The Most(??) Yes I Do Speed of Things, -- on the new album. Lobsterman. There are many others, I just don't know the names or can't recall them right off) The others were played live but never made it to the studio. I would count them as dead. When were these written, why didn't they end up on studio recordings (did A&M have anything to do with it, or were you yourself dissatisfied with them for some reason), will they ever see the light of day? The casualty rate for my songs is three in four. so... Would you ever play any of these if I requested them? (the ones with ??? indicate that I am unsure of titles). No, you got the titles right. If I meet you in a corridor, I could hum one to you. 4) Is there any chance of more of your unreleased work and live material being issued via fanclub (whether thru Mrs. Wafflehead or thru this internet mailing list)? Possibly. You must have a tape anyway. 5) Have you seen the new Bob Dylan book featuring his drawings? When I saw it it made me think of your drawings on record sleeves and things. Do you have any plans to compile your paintings and drawings in book form? Not yet. See above. 1) Why aren't the last bits o'Soft Boys stuff not on CD? (Portland Arms, some of Two Halves, etc). They weren't that good. 1) Do you generally create the words first, or the music? See above. 2) Is there a single event from your life that stands out in your mind that significantly changed you? What was it and how did you change? ["no comment" slash] 3) (if after march 24) How did you enjoy the trip to Rio with WHFS listeners and DJs? Yeah. I played the guitar a lot and saw a corpse. 4) What are your plans for _Surfer Ghost_, if any? See above. 5) (for the female fans too shy/polite to ask:) Love has been an important element in your songs for a long time. Tell us a bit about the woman in your life, and your thoughts on relationships in general. [slash] 6) If you could have had a different name attributed to you at birth, what name would you choose? Why? Sunrise - Chocolate - Globehead Chico - Buzz - Aristotle - Layla 1) On the album of rarities will there be any songs like Wafflehead? I don't think there are. In 1983 I made up a similar piece called 'Chinese Boys Again', but I lost it. 2) If starnded on a desert island, what newscaster would you least like to be stuck with? [slash] 3) Does your daughter like your music? How about her friends? She likes 'Can of Bees'. I doubt if her friends do. 4) Is it unnerving to know that there exists a list, like ours, that discusses you as an individual and entity of the music? If life is a waiting room, I guess I'm one of the magazines. But it isn't... 5) How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if he had help from Arnold Schwarzeneggar? Arnold would want top billing and most of the wood would be edited out. Who plays the woodchuck? DeVito? DeNiro? Pfeiffer? Streisand? 2 little logs called Pat, Rush and Newt... and a big old gleaming axe! 6) Who would you like to work with on an album more: Roger McGuinn, Johnny Marr (ex-Smiths Guitarist), Tom Petty, or Madonna? McGuinn. 7) Does your dryer eat socks too? Not if you feed it carefully. (I know some are weird, but You got to throw weird ones at him, to keep him sharp.) Yip! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 00:02:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: Electric "Frogs" > And the electric "Globe of Frogs"... yes, where can this be found? I > remember it from several live shows and have known of a studio version for a > while... can it be found on CD? (NB I haven't abandoned vinyl so much as it's > abandoned me, with the death of my turntable...) same here. both of them. sigh. It's on the "Balloon man" CD single, along with one of my favs, "Ghost Ship" (the horse muching gorse on the deck version, not the mayonaisse thighs verson on y&o. this version is a bit cleaner sounding too.) ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 96 00:23:03 EDT From: Sillyme <102465.41@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: Oh how I love the shrubbery..... >"I've never seen a vegetarian cat"............this sounded weird to me, so I >played "Ive Got a Message for You" and lo and behold (lo and behold, looking >for my lo and behold!) the version I have does not have that lyric anywhere. >Since I was taking the version from IH, I was wondering if this could be a >lyric from a live bootleg, perhaps. Enlighten me :). Forgive me if I state the obvious, but doesn't that line come from HOW DO YOU WORK THIS THING? and not from I'VE GOT A MESSAGE FOR YOU? And what about the RICH FAT PUSSY IN A SEA OF MILK from EATEN BY HER OWN DINNER? Who knows! Bye Bye...........OOOMMM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 22:05:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Mutually Funded <102367.2107@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Leppo sighting fellow fegs (and other interested parties), I found something interesting today in the liner notes to the Rhino CD re-issue of _The Rutles_. Referring to the Rutles' days in Hamburg: "This is where they ended up, far from home, and far from talented. In those days there was a fifth Rutle--Leppo--who mainly stood at the back. He couldn't play the guitar but he knew how to have a good time, and in Hamburg, that was more difficult. For five hungry working class lads there are worse places than prison, and The Rat Keller Hamburg is one. For fifteen months, night after night, they played the Rat Keller before they finally escaped and returned to Liverpool. In the rush they lost Leppo. He had crawled into a trunk with a small German Fraulein and was never seen again. His influence on the other Rutles was so immeasurable that no one has ever bothered to measure it." I guess he remained in Hamburg until he hooked up with the Jooves, eh? BTW, if you have not seen _All You Need Is Cash_ or heard _The Rutles_, treat yourself. They are absolutely brilliant! --g Glen E. Uber Email: hirsute@u.washington.edu WWW: http://weber.u.washington.edu/d83/hirsute ------------------------------------------------- | In loving memory of Jennie Fenyes and David Poe | | | | "I know I'll never lose affection | | For people and things that went before | | I know I'll often stop and think about them: | | In my life, I love you more." | | --John Lennon | ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 03:57:29 -0400 From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John, Jacci, & Madison) Subject: Useless Robyn facts Post number 555 I work for the postal service, routing mail via computer. Tonight, I came across mail addressed to the following NY destinations. Oceanside, NY Lysander, NY Sorry, there is not a Ultra Unbelievable Love, NY (she doesn't exist) sincerely, John (who is thrilled that Filthy Bird will be on the new album, and very bummed that Surfer Ghost will not) P.S. B A Y A R D----kudos to you for typing all those interview questions and answers in! Thanks alot! %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% john b. jones e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "I can't get out of bed/All I want is the glory" - Idaho %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ From: Critica@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 10:21:01 -0400 Subject: THAT kind of vegetarian cat On 4-25-96, Truman Peyote (Susan) wrote: >(abrupt transition alert) I would also assume that Robyn has in fact seen >BOTH types of vegetarian cat. But here's the question: A friend of mine (a >fan though not a fegmaniac) once told me that Robyn had weighed in on the >question of homosexuality in English public schools with the opinion that >"well, what else were we going to do there?" or some other such. My friend >was hazy on this but believes it was a piece in Time or Newsweek. Anyone here >read the article or know about it? If so, could you maybe tell a bit more >exactly what the quote was and in what context? I'd appreciate it muchly. >Inquiring minds want to know. Not sure about that particular quote, but isn't there another often-quoted line from a Robyn interview which goes something like: "I'm not gay, I just went to good schools."? Becky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 15:34:17 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin Subject: More Zebedee Yes, the snail was called Brian. BUT there was a rabbit called Dylan as well, who called everybody man, man... And the English commentary was by Eric Thompson, father of Oscar-winning Emma; I wonder if he knew Raymond Hitchcock? <- (Token Hitchcock ref.) The way I heard it, Eric never had access to the original (French?) script, so the names and commentary have nothing to do with the original writer's intentions, a bit like What's Up Tiger Lily... - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 96 14:13:51 CDT From: Truman Peyote Subject: man things well, Tom, I took your advice. It seems this no manual entry for thing. So is there a MECHANICAL entry? :) I thought I knew how to work man things at least, but whenever I start getting cocabout that sort of thing I get put quickly in my place. Man things are rather contrary ;). Back to your regularlycheduled Robyn Hitchcock newsgroup. Susan "At my very first job I said 'Thank you' and 'Please'/They made me scrub a parking lot down on my knees/Then I got fired for being scared of bees/And they only gimme 50 cents an hour"- John Prine, "Fish and Whistle" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 12:16:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber Subject: Certainly Similar fellow fegs, Has anyone ever noticed how distinctly similar the melody of the "She's certainly clickot, she's certainly cool..." line is to the intro melody of Van Morrison's "Jackie Wilson Said (I'm In Heaven When You Smile)"? Perhaps this could be the beginning of a new thread: which songs (or song fragments or melodies) by other artists do you think Robyn has incorporated into his own songs? I'm sure there are a few more--I just can't think of any others right now. --g Glen E. Uber Email: hirsute@u.washington.edu WWW: http://weber.u.washington.edu/d83/hirsute ------------------------------------------------- | In loving memory of Jennie Fenyes and David Poe | | | | "I know I'll never lose affection | | For people and things that went before | | I know I'll often stop and think about them: | | In my life, I love you more." | | --John Lennon | ------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Mike Hardaker Subject: Re: RE: Some Body - some thoughts Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:22:20 +-200 On Thursday, April 25, 1996 11:40 PM, JH3[SMTP:jh3@cencom.net] wrote: >Sorry to go over this in public -- this is just for the benefit (or >detriment) of all the other tab-heads out there. Of whom there seem to be many - but my apologies to the others, too... :-) > >Mike H. sez: [snip] >>For a start, there are at *least* four guitar parts overlaid... >>Consequently, it's obvious that a solo guitar 'tab' is going to be >>something of a compromise... > >Aren't they always? I mean, when there's more than one guitar to begin with >of course. Still, I don't think it sounds bad as a solo number. agreed, although getting the dynamics into it that it doesn't sound tedious can be a challenge. > >This song was originally a b-side, of course. It's hard to believe that they >went to a whole lot of trouble over it, nice though it is. Hmmm... > >>I'd also suggest that the chords for the verse are >>subtly different to those suggested, and are (in fact) simply the ol' Dear >>Prudence routine with an extra twiddly bit. In other words: >>x00232 with the e-string twiddle >>x30232 ditto, etc... >>x20032 >>x10032 > >OK by me. I was tabbing it as though the root chords had open high-E >strings, like Dsus2 (which I originally misidentified as D5), but whatever. >It's more of a pattern than a series of chords anyway... Well, a generation or two of musicologists (a club of which I am not a member, bet, hey, respect...) would disagree. I think It's helpful to think of the underlying chords, as they give options if you want to work out your own arrangement rather than just mimic. They also make things a damn sight easier if you play, say, keyboards... >>I think, also, that the chorus goes from G/B to Gm/Bb (not Bb6, which can >>also be seen as Gm7, of course... > >Huh? I can see Bb instead of Bb6, and even Gm instead of Bb (though VERY >grudgingly), but where does B come in? Do you mean G with the bass playing B? Yep, the bass plays B (the Major 3rd) and then drops to Bb (minor 3rd). As far as the guitar (or the bass, or the voices...) goes, there is *no* F-note anywhere, that I can hear. This makes it unlikely to be a Bb root (or a Gm7) for the second chord. I hear: x55433 going to x55333, then x77644 and x00232 [snip] >>The 'tag' chord is strictly a Gm6/Bb, rather than a C9 (although the >fingering is >>essentially the same on a guitar in 1st position, and the bass provides the >>low Bb...). > >There I have to disagree. The guitar isn't actually playing much of anything >where I had C9 (X3233X) -- it's the vocal harmonies that make up most of the >chord, but I can't hear anything but C9. And the bass is clearly playing C, >unless you have a different version of "Fegmania" than I do! Maybe I do - I'm *pretty* sure the bass is playing Bb, while one guitar is playing xx2333 and the other is playing xx233x. Also, logically, Gm6 (with the bass delivering the Bb) makes a lot more, er, musical sense than the C9 you offer. Look, when it comes to the crunch, they *sound* about the same, but it'd be a pretty damn strange bass player who would play the 7th of a C9 (if I'm right about the Bb bass line), while Andy Metcalfe is pretty consistent about playing the 3rd of the chords in this song - surprisingly so, as the temptation to walk the I-V pattern must have been pretty strong. Incidentally, I got so interested in this that I hacked out a Cakewalk sequence for the drums and bass (for the intro and first verse), squirted them onto the portastudio and started adding guitar parts, and the tab you suggested for the intro (while rather fine as a solo interpretation) is not, I'm pretty sure, what is played on the record. The F#->G bass line which you show as being played on the bass E string is actually an octave higher (basically, sliding a standard barre F#m to Gm), and this makes the whole thing a lot easier to play. It *sounds* the way it does because the bass does the same thing an octave lower, and thus you get that there 12-string effect... Cheers, Mike ======================================================= Mike Hardaker hardaker@iafrica.com mhardaker@cix.compulink.co.uk http://mickey.iafrica.com/~hardaker/ Tel: +27 ((0)21) 419 0799 Fax: +27 ((0)21) 419 0787 ======================================================= "I'd like to reassure you, But I'm not that kind of guy." - Robyn Hitchcock ======================================================= ------------------------------ From: Mike Hardaker Subject: RE: Some Body - some thoughts Date: Fri, 26 Apr 1996 11:53:37 +-200 On Friday, April 26, 1996 12:12 AM, Terry Marks[SMTP:a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us] wrote: >>not to mention a total horror from Andy Metcalfe). >Nope...Robyn on bass. > [FX: Checks sleeve-notes] Aaargh! :-) Mike ======================================================= Mike Hardaker hardaker@iafrica.com mhardaker@cix.compulink.co.uk http://mickey.iafrica.com/~hardaker/ Tel: +27 ((0)21) 419 0799 Fax: +27 ((0)21) 419 0787 ======================================================= "I'd like to reassure you, But I'm not that kind of guy." - Robyn Hitchcock ======================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest.