Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 77 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Catwoman Romancing the veggie cat, previously unmentioned Brit reference Easy Action me again... Re: (Fwd) Re: Iknow Im going to regret these tomatoes How do you work this thing? (spell check, that is) Robyn coversion, of SO's and others. Re: I have BEEN a Vege-Cat! (68.9% Robyn Content-Free) Feg sites in California? RH aching songs Re: Iknow Im going to regret these tomatoes cats vegetarian Re: Robyn Hitchcock (fwd) Re: Robyn Hitchcock TMBG Hi everybody, I'm new around these parts. Re: Some Body - some thoughts vegetarian cats Re: Feg sites in California? Some Body - some thoughts Re: vegetarian cats ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:48:45 +0700 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Catwoman > Vegitarian cat, as in, someones been feeding tomatoes to the cat. > Hmmm-- would that be anything like a pussy with red lips. > Honey, given the right ingrediants---All women have vegatarian cats. ALL TOGETHER NOW! "Sometimes I wish I was a veggie cat, so I could..." James ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 13:53:55 +0700 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Romancing the veggie cat, previously unmentioned Brit reference firstly, many many congrats. Email love and affection does exist (I know THAT well enough... but that's another story) and I'm glad to see that it can grow from the virtual to the actual. Some comments on this "which song?" kafuffle... whoever said that Meat Ruiner's version of Love was haunting and capable of transporting you to somewhere else was right. It is excellent. Other possibilities have already been mentioned by many ("Airscape", "Swirling", etc)... but one or two haven't been mentioned, or only mentioned by one or two. These include: "One long pair of eyes" and "September Cones". Don't any of you realise how wonderfully romantic these songs are? another comment... to the person who said "She doesn't exist" is Robyn's most achingly sad love song, I agree, but it is only just slightly more achingly sad than "Autumn Sea". talking of lyrics, this is probably just me trying to be a know-it-all, but here's another Brit reference that youse Yanks may not have got... the song "Nothing" contains a line about "not being able to tell Stork from Butter". Stork was one of Britain's main brands of Margarine in the 60s and 70s, and was famed for it's TV advertisements in which "9 out of 10 housewives couldn't tell the difference..." now I'm off to practice singing "Men of Harlech" in Welsh... James "Wele goelcerth, wen y fflamio, a ddaff odau tan y bloeddio..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 18:32:35 -0800 (AKDT) From: Brett Cooper Subject: Easy Action I am looking for anybody out there that may have either a spare CD copy of Alice Cooper's "Easy Action" that I could purchase, or know where one is readily available and could assist me in obtaining it. If anyone has information, I'd really appreciate it. E-mail me privately. Thanks! Brett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 22:55:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard Subject: me again... hi everyone feg romance... i knew it was bound to happen. (again. it happened to me too.) as to which song makes the best love song, i have to wonder, don't they all? i like the sad reminiscing ones, but i guess for a current relationship they're not the best. i'm really really about to make the DAT master for the GLASS FLESH cd now, so if anyone else wants to try and squeeze a robyn cover tune onto this tribute bursting with delicious musical juices, send it to me. I can't promise it'll go on, but I do hope to get enough songs to do another full tape eventually. (JH, if you want to do a less digitally-drenched st pete, let me know.) And does anyone else want a CD who hasn't requested one already? do i owe anyone tapes besides michael? i believe a couple of you owe me tapes in exchange for the glass flesh i sent you (i'm in shape to start making copies of that again, too.) hope everyone is doing great and enjoying whatever weather comes their way. bayard send me email, i'm bored. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Apr 1996 23:10:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: Iknow Im going to regret these tomatoes On Wed, 24 Apr 1996, Brian Huddell wrote: > LORDK@FLP.LIB.PA.US purrs: > > > Vegitarian cat, as in, someones been feeding tomatoes to the cat. > > Hmmm-- would that be anything like a pussy with red lips. > > Honey, given the right ingrediants---All women have vegatarian cats. > > Golly. > > Terry, you want to field this one? I think that Kay went a good bit too far on this one... I mean, this *is* a public list, after all. But it's Woj's job to take care of things like that. Terry ------------------------------ From: rooneya@pilot.msu.edu Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 00:28:29 +0000 Subject: How do you work this thing? (spell check, that is) > LORDK@FLP.LIB.PA.US purrs: > > > Vegitarian cat, as in, someones been feeding tomatoes to the cat. > > Honey, given the right ingrediants---All women have > > vegatarian cats. > >! Golly. >! Terry, you want to field this one? T:>I think that Kay went a good bit too far on this one... We agree: two incorrect spellings of "vegetarian", one incorrect spelling of "ingredients" and a poor contraction to boot (someone's=someone has). Is it interesting to anyone else that the messages a discriminating reader _might_ be best to quickly bury are replied and forwarded to the list prolifically, making them increasingly difficult to ignore? Part of the problem, not the solution (although we did snip), - A & W ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 02:07:14 -0400 Subject: Robyn coversion, of SO's and others. As I've said, musical conversion is difficult at best... Dearest Megan will never be a Feg, but as someone else said, musical taste isn't always the best thing to base a marriage on (and then again, sometimes it could be; depends on the individuals and the dynamic between them). Megan, of course, gets subjected to a lot of Robyn Hitchcock nonetheless, and never grudgingly. The things that make her ears perk up the most tend to be his niftier, self-contained turns of phrase... the most recent of which was the line "The mayonnaise is oozing down his thighs" in "The Ghost Ship". I tend to half-sing lyrical fragments of songs that seem relevant to situations at hand, and if they get a laugh out of Megan, I play the whole song for her later... the first time I did this with a Robyn song was, oddly enough, "Young People Scream", which I kept singing one day when we were nearly run of the road several times by people too old to still have drivers' licenses. And yes, she also likes "Victorian Squid". And "Out of the Picture"-- the "She's not just a pretty face" bridge. Two other tactics for turning people onto your faves, of limited use in Robyn's case: 1) Covers. Does your target like Syd Barrett? The Byrds? (Okay, Robyn's "official" catalog doesn't have many covers in it... bootlegs help.) 2) Guest musicians. Plenty for REM-heads. Thomas Dolby's dubious contribution to "Love"; Andrew Thistlewaite for Waterboys fans (although "Groovy" is a lousy place to start); and, um, for Katrina and the Waves afficianados, there's the Kimberly Rew connection. Okay, forget I brought it up. Terry is right! The feline population is going Vegan! I talked to someone today who once owned a cat which was addicted to potato sticks. I didn't ask what "potato sticks" were-- I just imagined elongated tater tots and left it at that, lest the truth prove even more horrific. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 06:48:25 -0500 From: Jay Brownlee Subject: Re: I have BEEN a Vege-Cat! (68.9% Robyn Content-Free) At 07:58 PM 4/19/96 -0500, you wrote: >First off, this business with the fave love songs is interesting and all >that, but I'd like to hear more about the vegetarian cat. I've been trying >to get my cat to eat vegetables for years and have had absolutely no success >whatsoever. Does it have something to do with meat flavoring? Texturing? >Really, I'd like to know. > Sorry to take so long to begin replies to this thread. I wanted Sarah to have a chance to get in her shots first though. It MUST be love, I tell ya. ;) Vegetarian Cats? Well, as all of us Robyn-philes know, "I've Got a Message For You" contains the line, "I've never seen a vegetarian cat." Well, it just happens to be a fact that my Sarah is a vegetarian. I think you all can get the 'cat' part on your own. ;} Anyhow, I chose that title as a cryptic salute to Sarah. You may all now say, "Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, HOW SWEET" together as you genuflect in our general direction. ;) Jay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 07:27:37 PDT From: "Screamin' Jay" Subject: Feg sites in California? So I'm off to Internet World in San Jose next week and then a few days in SanFrancisco....recommendations on outstanding record stores or other feg monuments in these two spots? jay ------------------------------------- Jay Lyall "The All Amerikan Cid" E-mail: rasputin@onramp.net Date: 4/25/96 ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:37:54 -0500 From: Tim Bugbee Subject: RH aching songs James wrote: >>> James Dignan 04/25/96 another comment... to the person who said "She doesn't exist" is Robyn's most achingly sad love song, I agree, but it is only just slightly more achingly sad than "Autumn Sea". one truly melancholy masterpiece that has been ignored is _Autumn is Your Last Chance_. Team this up w/ _Heartful of Leaves_ and cry your life away. Songs like this are why IODOT blows away You and Oblivion (or to a lesser extent even Eye). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 09:29:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Bret Subject: Re: Iknow Im going to regret these tomatoes At 07:57 PM 4/24/96 -0400, you plummeled: >I know Im going to regret this. >I know Im going to regret this. >Hold me back. >Just hold me back. > >Aggggghhhhh--- > >O.K. >Vegitarian cat, as in, someones been feeding tomatoes to the cat. >Hmmm-- would that be anything like a pussy with red lips. >Honey, given the right ingrediants---All women have vegatarian cats. Hmmmmmmm I wanna see the baseball analogy for this one............ ---Bret ------------------------------ From: "Wookie Conscious" Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 10:08:23 GMT-5 Subject: cats Robyn drinks a cat in "Wading Through a Ventilator" and seems really excited about it. Seems to be more cat stuff in "It's Not Just the Size of a Walnut." But my question is: Does anybody really think Robyn has _never_ seen a vegetarian cat if it is really what some people seem to think it is? shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 13:16:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: vegetarian Kay took us where we don't wanna go with: >O.K. >Vegitarian cat, as in, someones been feeding tomatoes to the cat. >Hmmm-- would that be anything like a pussy with red lips. >Honey, given the right ingrediants---All women have vegatarian cats. to which Brett responded: >Hmmmmmmm I wanna see the baseball analogy for this one............ Well, I think you'd have to refer to Susan Sarandon in "Bull Durham" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:21:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Eugene B Mirman Subject: Re: Robyn Hitchcock (fwd) Here is a message I got from Warner Brothers: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 11:44:13 -0800 From: Warner Bros. Records Subject: Re: Robyn Hitchcock Yes, Robyn is on WB!!! We are very excited. A new record is scheduled for We are looking at a mid to late summer release. We are also discussing putting out a limited version of vinyl. -WB Does anyone know whether they mean that the vinyl would come out before the CD? This seems very exciting. -Eugene ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tipper Gore said to Lou Reed, "Lou Reed, how can we communicate better with our children?" Lou Reed responded, "We would probably have to sit down and talk about it over a bottle of scotch, and maybe, some crack." It's back! My lovely Humor Home page: http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~ebmF92 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 15:17:00 -0600 From: Jim Moore Subject: TMBG Yes, it's best to just present Robyn AS Robyn -- straight-up. It is a provable mathematical fact that only 1 out of every 1,058 persons will be an actual "fegmaniac", and that has already been decided even before they were born. In other words, each fegster has been predestined, or elected to be a Robyn Hitchcock fan. This explains why so many of our loved ones just simply don't get it. (obligatory Reformed theology reference) Love to all, the fake John Calvin (Jim Beaker Girnstonsunman) jimm@dbu.edu "Half of what I say is meaningless..." -John Lennon ------------------------------ From: Alpacaprod@aol.com Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:10:46 -0400 Subject: Hi everybody, I'm new around these parts. Hi everybody, I'm new around these parts (now where have I heard that before?). This place is really great! I have a question that I'm hoping one or more of you might be able to help me answer. While in college, my wife (Jenni) used to work at a radio station. They had a vinyl promo of an alternate version of "Globe of Frogs" (I believe it was the back side of "Balloon Man") that we have not been able to find on any release/import. Perhaps someone out there is familiar with this track and knows where we might be able to get a copy? Any help or suggestions of a different nature would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Andy and Jenni ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 16:40:29 -0500 From: JH3 Subject: Re: Some Body - some thoughts Sorry to go over this in public -- this is just for the benefit (or detriment) of all the other tab-heads out there. Mike H. sez: >I played the tab through and it didn't sound *quite* right, so I dug out >Fegmania!, and a song I've been meaning to learn for ages. Uh oh... >For a start, there are at *least* four guitar parts overlaid... >Consequently, it's obvious that a solo guitar 'tab' is going to be >something of a compromise... Aren't they always? I mean, when there's more than one guitar to begin with of course. Still, I don't think it sounds bad as a solo number. This song was originally a b-side, of course. It's hard to believe that they went to a whole lot of trouble over it, nice though it is. >I'd also suggest that the chords for the verse are >subtly different to those suggested, and are (in fact) simply the ol' Dear >Prudence routine with an extra twiddly bit. In other words: >x00232 with the e-string twiddle >x30232 ditto, etc... >x20032 >x10032 OK by me. I was tabbing it as though the root chords had open high-E strings, like Dsus2 (which I originally misidentified as D5), but whatever. It's more of a pattern than a series of chords anyway... >I think, also, that the chorus goes from G/B to Gm/Bb (not Bb6, which can >also be seen as Gm7, of course... Huh? I can see Bb instead of Bb6, and even Gm instead of Bb (though VERY grudgingly), but where does B come in? Do you mean G with the bass playing B? >oh, and I don't hear a 7th in the A chord this goes to, either... You're right, I think it's more like A7sus4 to A actually. Sorry, I just play it that way 'cuz I'm lazy. >The 'tag' chord is strictly a Gm6/Bb, rather than a C9 (although the fingering is >essentially the same on a guitar in 1st position, and the bass provides the >low Bb...). There I have to disagree. The guitar isn't actually playing much of anything where I had C9 (X3233X) -- it's the vocal harmonies that make up most of the chord, but I can't hear anything but C9. And the bass is clearly playing C, unless you have a different version of "Fegmania" than I do! Again, sorry to bore you non-guitar-players out there with all this stuff. It's not such a big deal, I suppose. (Well, maybe the C9 is.) --John H. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 18:23:50 CDT From: Truman Peyote Subject: vegetarian cats "I've never seen a vegetarian cat"............this sounded weird to me, so I played "Ive Got a Message for You" and lo and behold (lo and behold, looking for my lo and behold!) the version I have does not have that lyric anywhere. Since I was taking the version from IH, I was wondering if this could be a lyric from a live bootleg, perhaps. Enlighten me :). As for the genetic predisposition, it seems as good an explanation as any. The Robyn Hitchcock gene is, I suspect, even less common than was stated in this post. But what about people who are "converted"? Does that mean that they have the gene, but it has been latent up until "conversion"? I would suggest that actually fegmania is a sort of virus which some of us are more predisposed to catch than others. I have heard this explanation proffered for jazz fanatics also. :) (abrupt transition alert) I would also assume that Robyn has in fact seen BOTH types of vegetarian cat. But here's the question: A friend of mine (a fan though not a fegmaniac) once told me that Robyn had weighed in on the question of homosexuality in English public schools with the opinion that "well, what else were we going to do there?" or some other such. My friend was hazy on this but believes it was a piece in Time or Newsweek. Anyone here read the article or know about it? If so, could you maybe tell a bit more exactly what the quote was and in what context? I'd appreciate it muchly. Inquiring minds want to know. Susan who wonders why this kind of information always gets to her in screwed up second-hand form, if at all ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Feg sites in California? Date: Thu, 25 Apr 96 10:06:28 -0700 From: Tom Clark "The Lobster Gang" Jay queried: >So I'm off to Internet World in San Jose next week and then a few days in >SanFrancisco....recommendations on outstanding record stores or other feg >monuments in these two spots? > The most famous feg monument in the valley has got to be Building 6 on the Apple R&D Campus where, until last Friday, both Mark Gloster and myself toiled daily to make the world safe for computing. Wanna do lunch? -tc ************************************* * Tom Clark * Apple Computer, Inc. "Knowledge Is Good" * tclark@apple.com - Emile Faber * tclark@netgate.net * http://www.netgate.net/~tclark ************************************* ------------------------------ From: Mike Hardaker Subject: Some Body - some thoughts Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 15:25:36 +-200 I played the tab through and it didn't sound *quite* right, so I dug out Fegmania!, and a song I've been meaning to learn for ages. Phew! This is a lot tougher than first impressions would imply. For a start, there are at *least* four guitar parts overlaid (one of which sounds like keyboards, but the lack of a keyboard credit suggests that it is actually processed guitar). I thought the main 'travis-picked' guitar - actually played with a plectrum, by the sound of things - was a twelve-string, but it's actually two six-string parts on opposite sides of the stereo. They play slightly different notes (although they often double each other exactly), which makes a 'definitive' tab listing somewhat problematical. You can hear the difference quite clearly if you use headphones - and also the cock-ups, especially on the left-hand track (check out the intro for a really bum note or two, not to mention a total horror from Andy Metcalfe). A third guitar is used - not all the time - to provide an upper-register keyboard-like 'stab' on the fourth beat of some bars. I'm still not convinced that it *is* a guitar, but if it is, it's a very wet, compressed sound probably achieved by recording the effects return without the raw signal. The fourth guitar plays the solo, with its immensely George Harrison-like tone (is it played with a bottleneck, or just very compressed? - my vote goes for the slide, in which case it's really rather well played). Is it the same guitar which appears over the end of the second chorus. If it is, has it been recorded backwards in this instance? I think so, but from a very sustainey, compressed signal which smooths out the 'violining' swell. Therefore, this technically counts as guitar part #5. [Hang on - I'll just sample it and flip it over. Yup, it's backwards slide guitar, the slide giving the sustain.] Then there's a possible sixth part, which only appears on the choruses and simply doubles the 'Baby you're so...' line. This *may* be played by the LH rhythm guitar, but I don't thinks so. Consequently, it's obvious that a solo guitar 'tab' is going to be something of a compromise... I think the nature of the guitar solo and also the harmonies, added to the chords of the verse section give a big hint that this is a very clear Beatles 'tribute'. I'd also suggest that the chords for the verse are subtly different to those suggested, and are (in fact) simply the ol' Dear Prudence routine with an extra twiddly bit. In other words: x00232 with the e-string twiddle x30232 ditto, etc... x20032 x10032 In musical terms it's probably best to thing of these as D, D/C, GM7/B and Bb+ - try strumming these cords in other inversions over the record and see how they fit. I think, also, that the chorus goes from G/B to Gm/Bb (not Bb6, which can also be seen as Gm7, of course - oh, and I don't here a 7th in the A chord this goes to, either), using standard barre chords, and that the 'tag' chord is strictly a Gm6/Bb, rather than a C9 (although the fingering is essentially the same on a guitar in 1st position, and the bass provides the low Bb...). Sorry to seem so pedantic, but I like getting things *right*... Of course, I very probably haven't done so - I'd be grateful for any further thoughts. Cheers, Mike ======================================================= Mike Hardaker hardaker@iafrica.com mhardaker@cix.compulink.co.uk http://mickey.iafrica.com/~hardaker/ Tel: +27 ((0)21) 419 0799 Fax: +27 ((0)21) 419 0787 ======================================================= "I'd like to reassure you, But I'm not that kind of guy." - Robyn Hitchcock ======================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Apr 1996 21:37:49 -0400 From: big ox laughing Subject: Re: vegetarian cats Also sprach Truman Peyote : >"I've never seen a vegetarian cat"............this sounded weird to me, so I >played "Ive Got a Message for You" and lo and behold (lo and behold, looking >for my lo and behold!) the version I have does not have that lyric anywhere. try "how do you work this thing?". Also sprach Jim Moore : >In other words, each fegster has been predestined, or >elected to be a Robyn Hitchcock fan. and in a globe of frogs... +w ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest.