Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 69 Send posts to fegmaniax@ecto.org Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@ecto.org Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@ecto.org FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Last Egyptian Show... Fwd: Green Day Snowstorm Re: Fwd: Green Day Snowstorm Re: Fwd: Green Day Snowstorm Apologies Once more and the finale Gr' day mates Once more and the finale (fwd) The Gloster Experiment News for some, poppycock to others Gloster broke science... Toto (reply to Gloster:e-mail bounced) Re: News for some, poppycock to others another a&m promo, blah, blah, blah... Title messylaneous benefit album Garden of Light Garden of Light? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Apr 96 21:13:00 -0500 (CDT) From: songbird@airmail.net (Stefanie A. Newton) Subject: Re: Last Egyptian Show... >I was just thinking about the note from Mrs. Wafflehead about Robyn & the >boys going their separate ways. What was the last Robyn Hitchcock & The >Egyptians Show? After going through several lists, the last performance >date I can see is 19 May 1993. I guess the final date could be some sort >of sentimental document to collectors. Was that the Ritz show in NYC? If so, I know they played after that. I saw them a few nights later in NJ. ---===] Songbird [===--- aka Stefanie A. Newton Songbird@airmail.com "It cramps your handwriting And dulls what little style you have ...." - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ From: TPJSHEDS@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 00:36:35 -0400 Subject: Fwd: Green Day Snowstorm Susan. I would hesitate to respond to a comment like "...chords and words are only ROUGHLY analogous" but you are so well versed in observing the blatantly obvious while being, simultaneously, so inarticulate at writing it that I think I probably should. My contention this entire time has been that The Clash were not a three chord band. (And I challenge you to name some of the bands that are "exclusively.") The "three chord wonder" remark is a cliche commonly used by people who do not know how to play a musical instrument. I know that Green Day are fine "rock" muscians. My use of the Robyn/Dick Marx vocabulary analogy was to illustrate that Green Day, although they finger the same "E", "A","D", "F", Fmaj7" "Bsus9" or whatever combination and/or mutation of whatever number of more than three chords as The Clash, still lack essential elements to me taking them, in anyway, seriously: Soul. Originality. Integrity. The same would stand true, of course, for Mr. Marx; who you seem to suggest that I, in some way, hold in esteem. Of course, I do not. To the opposite; recordings and videos by the popular pop star have left me, on more than one occasion, retching and reaching for something to prop myself up against.(Yes. Much like when I hear the name Green Day) I was attemping to use "comedy" by drawing an extreme example between an idol (there, I said it) of mine, Mr. Hitchcock and someone who just may be a CIA plant(and I'm no buff) or a robot. So, to eliminate the possibility of some cyberspace fusing fiasco(and a right mess that would be) I will refrain from using the said names in any combination ever again. As to your inclination that Green Day sound like The Who... Tim. ------------------------------ From: ZeroSummer@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 01:16:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Fwd: Green Day Snowstorm I've always thought that people who bash other "artists," real or so-called, aren't comfortable enough in their own tastes. I have a long list of musicians I think are unworthy. But I don't see why citing them here would make this list a better place. Whiningly, Joe (who knows no chords but whose vocabulary cascades with fecundity) ------------------------------ From: "Aaron Sparrow" Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 09:44:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Fwd: Green Day Snowstorm CC: Fegmaniax@ecto.org >> Susan. >> you are so well versed in observing the blatantly obvious while >> being, simultaneously, so inarticulate at writing it that I think >> I probably should. Tim. Eat my crabapples, clever darling! Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 10:18:00 -0600 From: Jim Moore Subject: Apologies I seem to have offended some loyal Fegs! with my sarcastic comments pointed in the direction of Green Day. I thought it would be good if I apologized; I certainly didn't intend to ruffle any feathers. I happen to hold the opinion that Green Day has "lifted" a bunch of late 70's/early 80's post-punk riffs. I was (and still am) a huge fan of the Clash as a youth and it is remarkable to me how much Green Day's stuff sounds like the Combat Rockers. Truman, I'm right there with you -- I don't think it's simply a case of using the same "chords", but of using them in an almost identical "construction" that I was poking fun at. Two other things: isn't it funny how people take criticism of their favorite bands so personally? I sort of feel that unless a person is *in* Green Day -- or maybe even knows someone intimately who's in Green Day -- they shouldn't be taking any criticism about Green Day personally. But I guess it's just one of those little foibles of art and human personality. Also, I do think that the Clash had some talent -- and I do think they "grew up" musically. I wonder (as others have) whether Green Day will do the same. Love to all, Jim (Girn) Beaker jimm@dbu.edu ps. Robyn rules! (I had to throw that in to make the post applicable to the list) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 10:33:35 CDT From: Truman Peyote Subject: Once more and the finale Ok, one last time....a :) indicates HUMOROUS INTENT. Some would do well to remember this. Some would also do well to note that my previous posts concerning Green Day had primarily to do with an attempt to make an argument (whether or not it was successful I leave list members to judge for themselves) rather than promotion of said musical group. And saying someone shows the influence of the early who is not quite the same thing as saying they ARE the who (oh! the blasphemy). As to whether or not Tim is a Richrd Marx fan- well, who knows? That is his business, not mine, but if he feels that I have somehow implied that he is (actually I assumed that he chose Richard Marx for the sake of argument, which is sort of what I did with green day....hmmm.....) and feels insulted, I suggest that he try to allay his insecurities in some other way than the putting down of myself and musicians he doesn't like. You would think concepts like humor and irony would be familiar to those who enjoy the music of Mr. Hitchcock :). Susan who wishes in future that if people feel a pressing need to insult her, they send it directly to her rather than burden the list with it ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 1996 10:54:06 -0800 From: "Mark Gloster" Subject: Gr' day mates Subject: Time:9:05 AM OFFICE MEMO Gr' day mates Date:4/12/96 Flammable taste experiment. Spontaneous Combustion 101 course. Delete now or risk self immolation in the pit of soles and other shoe parts. Hi. I thought I would share with y'all the outcome of an experiment I performed last night. I used my home CD changer and placed the following unrelated, conflicting, yet cherished items in it: Fegmania! by Robyn Hitchcock Dookie by Green Day Hydra by Toto B'boom (disc 1) by King Crimson Partyball by Stan Ridgway After the whapping of Susan about the face and arms with many an electronic stick with nails, I am reeeeeaaalllly self-concious about telling the non-Robyn contents of my changer, but in the interest of science a little _mortal embarrassment and contusions and abrasions_ is a small price to pay. First the chemistry: 1) My first lab experiment was to measure the contact effect of this combination of CD's on the test equipment. After carefully placing each of the CD's in the carosel, I waited a few moments to allow them to stabilize in the open air. After seeing no immediate reaction, I closed the carosel door. I remembered at this time to dawn my special protective, yet fashionable laboratory eyewear which fit right over my corrective glasses (I hear that science groupies dig guys in protective eyewear). To my surprise, the close proximity of the different CD's did not cause an explosion. I waited some minutes and nothing. I withdrew the CD's and placed them in different sequences without any different result. I hope that I do not receive a failing grade for my inability to cause spontaneous combustion or a chemical reaction in this excercise. Now the biology: 2) My second experiment seemed far more dangerous. I had to study the effects of this dangerous sonic suspension solution on the mechanical and human subjects, but I could not ask any other to perform these tests so it was up to me and the CD changer and the stereo. I then hit the shuffle and play buttons on the front panel of the CD changer. I braced myself against the terrible impact. As expected, the mechanism, despite being a Sony, had no trouble with the first selection, "Harry Truman," by Stan Ridgway. The changer switched to a Green Day tune. Nothing. It switched to "Strawberry Mind". Nothing. "Indicipline". Nothing. "My Wife and My Dead Wife." Nothing. "99." Nothing. I ran to the mirror. There was no bleeding from the ears, eyes, nose or mouth. I undressed and noticed the complete lack of bleeding from any of my orfices. After redressing, I returned to my listening post just as "B'boom" was ending. I endured another hour of these rigorous tests with no significant harm to any of the precision electronic instruments or my organs or y'know, body parts. Now the social science: 3) The third experiment was more musical- to evaluate the differences in CD's which vary significantly. On the whole, I thought that all of the lyric writing was very good. A couple of notable exceptions occurred on Dookie and Hydra, and if I had placed the other B'boom in there I would have graded it down a tiny bit too. The two oldest recordings, Fegmania! and Hydra, had a dated quality whenever keyboard synth was applied. This also had some charm and individualism for me- but I usually am annoyed by people adding silicon-based life forms to organic food for my ears (gary numan and mark mothersbaugh can do all the silicon-based life they want because there are no carbon molecules in their physical structure). Maybe the Crimson dinosaur should sound dated for me with their inhuman Mellotron sounds and such (maybe they need Terry Marks for the human part), but they always sound fresh and brain-spankingly compelling to me. Partyball, like other Stan Ridgway CD's and RH CD's is only lacking in number of flaws. Results: Nobody died. Not me. Not my cats who wandered in and out. Not a single houseplant. The roof of the house did not cave in. On the other hand, I did not suddenly win the Publishers Clearinghouse sweepstakes. My bills were not magically paid. A hundred safe virgin nymphomaniac nineteen-year-olds did not suddenly want to worship me and my wonderful sweetheart as their masters (as far as I know, but would this have brought this about?). My cats did not suddenly learn to play accordion and harmonica (oops this item should be in the other column). I enjoy making fun of things. F'rinstance, my last post included me taking unfair whacks at some bands I really like (some I probably don't), but maybe seem a little too serious about themselves to me. In truth, most of my very favorite bands have trouble holding onto major label deals. My taste makes me special, but not right for everyone. I can't imagine whacking anybody with a ball-peen hammer for mentioning GD in the same sentence as RH. I like the idea of having to look at what comparisons others make. I have enjoyed trying to imagine how Richard Marks might have anything to do with Robyn, although it is much easier for me to compare John Lydon to him. Okay, I'm a live target now! Flame me now and avoid the rush. -Mark Gloster aka the happy cap, pablo, the harmless decaying teeth of MG+big rubber shark, the other rickenbacker boy, the only s.d. curlee boy, the maker of millions of macs, etc. "Never seen a man so amused with his reflection" Robyn singing about me? ps. Next time I do the experiment I will try the following CDs: 101 Strings plays The Sex Pistols 6-Pack Chagrin Raps The Chipmunks Greatest Hits The Beegees 33rd Annual Comback "Live at Starbucks Coffee in Cupertino" Bill Gates sings Windows Greatest Plagarisms the Robyn Hitchcock techno gangsta metal prog-rag MOR rap sessions ------------------------------ From: cchenowe@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Once more and the finale (fwd) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 14:50:36 -0500 (CDT) > who wishes in future that if people feel a pressing need to insult her, they > send it directly to her rather than burden the list with it > :))) nonono!! that was the best catfight we've had in ages, entertained me hugely. Please continue, no burden at all..... all these "clever darlings", too yeah, I'm tasteless, but I'm enjoying this.... just don't insult Robyn's hair (too much like talking behind someone's back and seems impolite) -cc the hairless spinster and we would have been deprived of MG's hilarious experiment without it, which has made my day. Thanks, Mark! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 13:27:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: The Gloster Experiment >Results: Nobody died. Not me. Not my cats who wandered in and out. Not a >single houseplant. The roof of the house did not cave in. On the other >hand, I did not suddenly win the Publishers Clearinghouse sweepstakes. My >bills were not magically paid. A hundred safe virgin nymphomaniac >nineteen-year-olds did not suddenly want to worship me and my wonderful >sweetheart as their masters (as far as I know, but would this have brought >this about?). My cats did not suddenly learn to play accordion and >harmonica (oops this item should be in the other column). Interestingly enough, all this stuff happened at my house, and until your post I had no what the hell was going on. Now that I have all my bills paid off and am living comfortably, PLEASE DON'T DO THAT AGAIN!!! THIS DAMNED ACCORDIAN MUSIC IS DRIVING ME UP THE WALL!!! Russ. p.s. Toto? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 17:55:01 -0400 From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John, Jacci, & Madison) Subject: News for some, poppycock to others Thanks to a Mr. davies, I received a copy of a pretty recent Robyn interview done at KCRW on March 18th, 1996. In it, Robyn says the following: 1) When asked what the title of the new album would be, he said that right now it is called "Bee Man Ray". He said other possible titles are "The Feelers Was Everywhere", and "Wide Open Star". (so much for "Shadowcat"--I thought that was the best one of all, and so did my cat (who was named Shadowcat long before Robyn wrote the song or possible album title)) 2) The next album (after the one to be released this summer) will be an album of cover versions called "You're Gonna Love Me For This". It will include The Clash's "Rock the Casbah" and Beefheart's "Clear Spot" (the whole album???? I didn't know there was just a song called "Clear Spot") (Note: While this bit of info--especially the title-- sounded pretty tongue-in-cheek, it is true that Robyn has been wanting to do an album of cover versions for quite some time. 3) The arrangement of "De Chirico ST." will feature Homer as backing band, with James "Otis" "Horns" Fletcher playing sax on it. (note: no mention was made of deni bonet's violin part, which was to have been included on there with the sax---i hope Robyn didn't cut it out---when i picture how it sounds in my head, it sounds GOOD!) Well, that's it. P.S. Has anyone but me taken to bothering Warner Brothers about Robyn??? I write notes like "how come Robyn isn't on your web page?" etc. etc. Funny thing is, they always reply!! They must have some person sitting around replying to all bored people's boring whiny e-mail. Last message from them (or him/her) was: "The record is still a ways away from being released." If you want to bother them, its at: webmaster@warnerrcrds.com Hair: Like the grey. Like his current haircut better than most of the others. Green Day: I'll stick with the Buzzcocks if you don't mind. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% john b. jones e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu http://web.syr.edu/~jojones "I can't get out of bed/All I want is the glory" - Idaho %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: 12 Apr 1996 15:27:25 -0800 From: "Mark Gloster" Subject: Gloster broke science... Reply to: Gloster broke science... Another long post from the guy who seems a little too involved with his Mac... >Interestingly enough, all this stuff happened at my house, and until your >post I had no what the hell was going on. Now that I have all my bills >paid off and am living comfortably, PLEASE DON'T DO THAT AGAIN!!! THIS >DAMNED ACCORDIAN MUSIC IS DRIVING ME UP THE WALL!!! I probably owe Russ the biggest apology of my life. Money+Living comfortably+accordion/harmonicatmuzik probably does not equal a better way of life. I really didn't mean it. One of my cats is really smart, but she plays guitar with her teeth, I told her if she picks up the mouth harp I'm outa there. My sweetheart informed me that our toaster is levitating and the water in the drains is going around the wrong way. I'm not sure that I noticed that this wasn't the case before the experiment, though. I will do better science next time. >p.s. Toto? Thanks for using nerfs not nukes. This was really hard to admit. After giving Russ a hard time once upon a time for his station's playlist, I have probably given him every possible reason to staple my head to a KSJO billboard. Everyone should feel free to discount all of my issues of taste now that you know my secret love of songs written by that lord-god-king-bufu of the guitar, Steve Lukather. I still worship the water on which RH, Stan Ridgway, King Crimson, Frank Zappa (okay, his ghost) walk. Russ, please grant me red staples, they go with my glasses and my eyeballs (I work too many hours: it should be clear from my obvious synaptical dysfunction). If I need to listen to Lamont and Tonelli (are they still the wacky zany morning duo?) for a whole week of penance I will do what I must. Love and staples, -Mark Gloster (y' know, the guy who loves reading every word he writes) ps. Mark's CD project update: Finished mixing, I am currently listening to the final mixes about a hundred times before mastering. Also working on graphics. Early June-ish for CD's?. _EXCITING_ but a little scary. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 96 17:08:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Toto (reply to Gloster:e-mail bounced) [note: an earlier attempt to send this via private e-mail failed. Apologies to uninterested parties. This note has been edited slightly for public reading] Mark, I've included some of your words here so that you may read them again... >>> This was really hard to admit. After giving Russ a hard time once upon a time for his station's playlist, I have probably given him every bla bla bla <<< Don't think that I'd forgotten that! >>> bla bla bla lord-god-king-bufu of the guitar, Steve Lukather. <<< Hey, you should check out the station I *now* work at, KUFX ("94.5 K-FOX...THE Classic Rock Station"--KSJO's sister station). I produced a promo based around a Steve Lukather guitar tuning lesson for musicians. He never says his name so he could be anyone, but a big Toto fan such as yourself [snicker] might recognize his voice. >>> bla bla bla dysfunction). If I need to listen to Lamont and Tonelli (are they still the wacky zany morning duo?) for a whole week bla bla bla <<< yes they are. You might prefer the slightly more cerebral Don Imus on K-FOX, however. Just between you n'me, I'm a guy who might enjoy hearing [wimpy band deleted]'s version of "Harry Truman" (it so happens I own a copy of [wimpy band deleted] VIII), but I'm not foolish enough to admit that to the list. Divulging the corporate call letters in my e-mail adress is as far as I'm willing to go. :) -russ ------------------------------ From: ZeroSummer@aol.com Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:12:30 -0400 Subject: Re: News for some, poppycock to others <<<1) When asked what the title of the new album would be, he said that right now it is called "Bee Man Ray".>>> Is that like Beefheart's "Ant Man Bee"? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Apr 1996 20:40:22 -0700 (PDT) From: the ancient art of self-detection Subject: another a&m promo, blah, blah, blah... o.k. i am back with another blathering post about obscure shit. in this case, it is a robyn [good for content on this list, eh?] a&m interview promo 12". this is something that woj probably paid three bucks for, i on the other hand did not. but, this is the story 'interview with deidre o'donoghue [host of snap on kcrw, santa monica]' 12" w/ no picture sleeve, although it does have the usual sticker in the upper right front. the number thing is SP 17765 the interview is quite good with robyn talking most of the time and some intelligent questions and even better answers. no, yes or no replys here, good. there is mention of linda ryan, who it seems ran kusf. a fact i did not know. anyway, anyone know how many of these things are floating about? any amazing stories about it? anyone toasted some toast to it and had their life come out better than before, or at least a six percent increase in betterness? and yes it did burn some toast while writing this post, so let us all start a toast thread, .chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 00:59:00 -0500 (CDT) From: seesaw@www.ezl.com ("Stephen Austin") Subject: Title ><<<1) When asked what the title of the new album would be, he said that right >now it is called "Bee Man Ray".>>> > >Is that like Beefheart's "Ant Man Bee"? or the photographer Man Ray + a whole new can of worms (bees) ?? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 14:48:44 -0400 From: greybeard loon Subject: messylaneous Also sprach jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John, Jacci, & Madison): >1) When asked what the title of the new album would be, he said that right >now it is called "Bee Man Ray". He said other possible titles are "The >Feelers Was Everywhere", and "Wide Open Star". having heard the kcrw appearance as well, i have to point out that i found it hard to take robyn seriously when he was discussing possible album titles. the feeling i got from his answer was i-have-no-idea- what-the-title-will-be-but-here-are-some-names-that-will-keep-you- thinking-because-they-are-sufficiently-odd-for-the-title-of-one-of- my-records rather than that he was seriously considering any of these possibilities. Also sprach the ancient art of self-detection : >i am back with another blathering post about obscure shit. in this case, >it is a robyn [good for content on this list, eh?] a&m interview promo >12". this is something that woj probably paid three bucks for, i on the >other hand did not. actually, i stole my copy. ;) woj ------------------------------ From: SPIFFINGNY@aol.com Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 18:50:46 -0400 Subject: benefit album Just thought I'd add to the other days posting that Phil McMullen can be emailed direct to answer any an all questions on the PT benefit album with "She Was Sinister But She Was Happy" at philmcm@dircon.co.uk. He's the editor and organizer of the whole shabang and can add to the details though those posted were straight from his promo sheet. humbly, Carl of SpiFFinG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 1996 23:36:38 -0400 (EDT) From: David Willems Subject: Garden of Light robyn in all his beauty.... "Garden of Light" It's a real part of something One that no detective borrows Over all the stars and houses Burning in a lane of stars Fireflies and lanterns are The powers in your bed of darkness Fireworks spread only in slow-motion Love in the garden of light Tissue paper hearts that flutter in the night And they're gone Love in the garden of light I wish you could be here beside me Is there any real silence? Real peace, or just a lack of noise? She was wondering half aloud And tapping on a China vase Suddenly the dragon cracked Alive and slipped from the ceramic Honey, you were deeper than the ocean Love in the garden of light Everytime I see you I don't want to fight anymore Love in the garden of light I wish you could be here beside me You've got the power if you'd only start to use it, honey Treat each other right on Earth You wouldn't have to move to Mars Agitated molecules are electricity within us Heaven is the dance without the motion Love in the garden of light Half a billion people struggle in the night And they're gone Love in the garden of light I wish you could be here beside me I wish you could be here beside me ------------------------------ From: DARAMSEY@vassar.edu Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 01:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Garden of Light? What is "Garden of Light"? Does anybody have a copy that I could obtain? daveR. ---there's only one way of life, and that's your own--- Levellers. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest.