Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 50 Send posts to fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@nsmx.rutgers.edu Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Jah Rastafarii Re: Jah Rastafarii Darwinism, Baby Re: Darwinism, Bay-beeee Stuff 'bout Robyn Re: Jah Rastafarii Re: Jah Rastafarii Re: Stuff 'bout Robyn Re: Smash the Corporate Infrastructure! Queen Elvis CD Re: Stuff 'bout Robyn The Evil Corporate Satan shared titles david lowery versus your mom Stuff 'bout Robyn The Aquarium LA SHOW President Re: Stuff 'bout Robyn Re: shared titles ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 00:42:49 -0500 Subject: Jah Rastafarii Terry's tab of "Toilet" includes this line: >In came Jacques who performed his works in a >Rock'N'Roll Toilet I've always heard "In came Jah to perform his works"-- "works" being miracles of the type usually "performed" by prophet-type dudes (with the obvious double-entendre). I always associated this-- and sorry for returning to a long-dead non-thread-- with the line in Camper Van Beethoven's "Take the Skinheads Bowling" where David Lowery sings (in a totally non-reggae song) "Every day I get up and pray to Jah / And he increases the number of (frogs? products?) by exactly one". Terry probably has a lryic sheet that makes my comment irrelevant, but I hate it when a really cool lyric turns out not to be what you thought it was. I was also convinced at one point that there was a line in "Ride" that went "Love me, love me, love me, love me, love me / That's what all the rapists say", which I thought was brilliant. But no, it's "papers"... which is still pretty good. And by the same token, Camper Fans... what does Jah increase by exactly one in "Skinheads?" -Rex ps- Thanks to everyone who responded to the "Corporate Infrastructure" post. I think we're ALL right. I was being somewhat facetious by suggesting that dubbing for friends is "bad", and as I mentioned to someone off-list, my used-CD buying is limited to records I already have on tape/vinyl (already paid for 'em) and artists I haven't commited to yet (friends' recommendations and suchlike). This is a huge issue; after more than a century, art and commerce haven't reconciled themselves. At the turn of the century, Robyn (or those of his visionary ilk, not to evoke Kristin Hersh again) might've become legends on the infuential order of Robert Johnson or Woodie Guthrie, just for the way they intimately connect with audiences in a vieceral way, one-on-one. Sadly, the days of wandering minstrels are over, and without the big-business success of the Beatles or the Byrds, there would be no Robyn as an artist and certanly no Warner Brothers Recording Artist Robyn Hitchcock. Oh, the irony. ------------------------------ From: ZeroSummer@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 02:09:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Jah Rastafarii <<>> I'm not digging it out and listening right now, but I believe it's clocks. Joe P.S. Camper is completely brilliant. And that new Cracker song is the most irritating thing I've heard on the radio since the end of Game 5 of the Yanks/Mariners series in October. ------------------------------ From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 02:18:01 -0500 Subject: Darwinism, Baby Please, this is not the place for people to sport their fashionable anti-corporate hypocrisy. Rex pointed out that buying used CD's "is also a piss-poor way to support your favorite artists." Someone was quick to point out: "This isn't necessarily true...used records... make it more attractive for buyers who are unfamiliar with an artist..." Let's try respond to what Rex actually said: Rex said buying used from your "favorite artist", not an artist you are "unfamiliar with." Rex is 100% correct. When one of us buys a Robyn promo, it sucks for Robyn. I bought all my Robyn reissues as promos, saving myself about 50 bucks. Sucks to be me. Dave, the bad vibe merchant. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 03:19:10 -0600 From: JH3 Subject: Re: Darwinism, Bay-beeee Dave, the bad vibe merchant writes: >Please, this is not the place for people to sport their fashionable >anti-corporate hypocrisy. Hmmm. I agree completely, except for the last word. Why assume that someone is being hypocritical by taking an anti-corporate attitude? As for me, I'm not really anti-corporate unless I see things like, well, what we were discussing. >Let's try respond to what Rex actually said: Rex said buying used from your >"favorite artist", not an artist you are "unfamiliar with." Rex is 100% >correct. When one of us buys a Robyn promo, it sucks for Robyn. You're right. My mistake. I was generalizing. So 'nuff said about this subject, as far as I'm concerned. It really isn't appropriate; I guess I just got carried away. Anyway, you won't hear another peep outta me about it. I'll just go back to writing those occasional silly self-parodic postings that once made me seem so cute and lovable... --John H. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 03:32:18 -0600 From: JH3 Subject: Stuff 'bout Robyn ...Like this one! Lately there seems to have been a dearth of appropriately Robynesque subjects/threads on this list, and since I'm largely to blame (and really quite sorry about it), I'm going to try to come up with ten new attempts, RIGHT NOW! Please forgive me if any of these have been brought up before (it's not like I've been on the list since Day One, after all). Here goes: 1. Who is Graham, and why should anyone let him have a chance? Is it _only_ because no one ever lets him dance, or did he do something else to deserve one? 2. DOES the Queen actually have any frogs? After all, she has horses, and where there are horses there's manure, and where there's manure, there's grubs, and where there's grubs... 3. Does the reference in "St. Petersburg" to the lake in Williamsburg actually mean the (real) Lake Matoaka, or is he just trying to come up with a rhyme for the word "stake"? 4. Or is it "steak," as in "Can I interest you in a lump of..."? Does this line actually refer to cholesterol, going "deep in your heart"? 5. Are the birds actually _embedded_ in the perspex, meaning that if they came alive they would just sort of squirm a bit for the two or three seconds before they died again from lack of oxygen, or are they simply _encaged_, meaning they might have a few minutes to flap about before the same thing happened? 6. DO policemen sing? (I've never seen this happen.) 7. Is there something special about squid prepared in the Victorian manner that actually would cause you to want more, even when you've already had lots? Or are people just supposed to react that way to squid in general? 8. What, exactly, is a "linctus," and why would anyone name a house after one? 9. When bees become dusty, should we spray them with something like Endust[TM], rather than, say, Raid? Or should we just let them scatter dust all over the house? 10. If you had just gotten off a plane from Belize, would you head straight for the nearest piece of cheese, or would you pick up your luggage first? Things to consider. --John H. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 07:48:36 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: Jah Rastafarii > Terry's tab of "Toilet" includes this line: > > >In came Jacques who performed his works in a > >Rock'N'Roll Toilet > > I've always heard "In came Jah to perform his works"-- "works" being miracles > of the type usually "performed" by prophet-type dudes (with the obvious > double-entendre). Maybe.... I figure it might be "In came jocks..." but who knows...I don't have a lyric sheet. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:01:52 +0100 From: seven@cs.utwente.nl (Susan Even) Subject: Re: Jah Rastafarii >> Terry's tab of "Toilet" includes this line: >> >> >In came Jacques who performed his works in a >> >Rock'N'Roll Toilet >> >> I've always heard "In came Jah to perform his works"-- "works" being miracles >> of the type usually "performed" by prophet-type dudes (with the obvious >> double-entendre). > >Maybe.... >I figure it might be "In came jocks..." >but who knows...I don't have a lyric sheet. > Isn't it just: "In came John to perform his works. . ."? 7 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 08:05:42 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: Stuff 'bout Robyn > > 1. Who is Graham, and why should anyone let him have a > chance? Is it _only_ because no one ever lets him dance, > or did he do something else to deserve one? Don't know the reference. What's this from? > > 2. DOES the Queen actually have any frogs? After all, she > has horses, and where there are horses there's manure, > and where there's manure, there's grubs, and where there's > grubs... All the frogs went to Princess Di last week. The Queen was hoping that she'd kiss one, and the frog would turn into a real prince, who would then marry someone suitable for the thrown, not some spoiled, bulimic housewife. > > 5. Are the birds actually _embedded_ in the perspex, > meaning that if they came alive they would just sort > of squirm a bit for the two or three seconds before > they died again from lack of oxygen, or are they > simply _encaged_, meaning they might have a few > minutes to flap about before the same thing happened? I think that it's sort of like those frogs encased in rocks. The rock has been solid for millions of years and sealed hermetically all the while, but when someone breaks it open, the frog jumps out, as alive as ever, despite the fact that what he just did is biologically impossible. > > 6. DO policemen sing? (I've never seen this happen.) Oh yes. Extremely well > 7. Is there something special about squid prepared in the > Victorian manner that actually would cause you to want > more, even when you've already had lots? Or are people > just supposed to react that way to squid in general? Well, I like Victorians, but I have a feelign he's tryting to suggest taht they react in shock and horror to everything. And, as most of you know, anything greasy and fried tastes good after you've been in America long enough/ > 8. What, exactly, is a "linctus," and why would anyone > name a house after one? Pun on "LInked-us", perhaps? > 9. When bees become dusty, should we spray them with > something like Endust[TM], rather than, say, Raid? > Or should we just let them scatter dust all over > the house? I'd just let them wander, unless they start humming "Agony of Pleasure", in which case, I'd collect them in a can and sell at a feg convention. > 10. If you had just gotten off a plane from Belize, > would you head straight for the nearest piece of > cheese, or would you pick up your luggage first? Luggage. Definitely. You see, you *never* want to eat airport food, the duty-free shop overcharges and dodges the US hygeine laws on the technicality of jurisdiction. And if you leave the airport, you have officially forfeited all right to your luggage. ADvice: Put cheese in your luggage. 11. In "Wax Doll", there are some lyrics in the middle "How do you think they're gonna act/now that they know" or suchlike (can't find the CD to look it up). Has anyone ever heard Robyn sing it with this verse/bridge? What does it mean? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 09:23:03 -0600 From: mbrage@surgery.bsd.uchicago.edu (Michael Brage) Subject: Re: Smash the Corporate Infrastructure! Brett wrote: > >I agree with what was said about commercial releases. The point about >artists not seeing the royalties for bootlegs doesn't hold any water with >me, though. I agree. It seems to me that the people who buy the bootlegs also always buy the commercial releases. Of the 3 artists that I am interested in, I have all the commercial releases and as many bootlegs that I can get (avoiding too much overlap). I've never heard of anyone concentrating on the bootlegs and avoiding commercial releases. Yet, the higher-ups insist that the bootleg industry hurts the artist financially. For example, the people in the Tori Amos camp tell me that her record sales could be more if the bootlegging would halted. But how? Nobody would buy her boots first, then decide against the comercial releases based on the quality of the boot. I suppose that if any artist released mainly live records, then bootlegging would hurt that artist. Anyway, enough of my yacking. Be seeing you, Michael ------------------------------ From: 35.8.2.42@serv1.cl.msu.edu Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:53:11 +0000 Subject: Queen Elvis CD If whoever is still looking for Queen Elvis on CD, I saw several copies in Illinois this weekend and kept track of the stores' addresses. They run about $6.99; some are used. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:53:13 -0500 (EST) From: ! Subject: Re: Stuff 'bout Robyn On Mon, 11 Mar 1996, Terry Marks wrote: > > > > 6. DO policemen sing? (I've never seen this happen.) > > Oh yes. Extremely well Haven't you heard the Welsh? They really do excel. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 10:16:00 -0600 From: Jim Moore Subject: The Evil Corporate Satan Most folks seem to be defending the "mom & pop" stores against the evil corporate mega-conglomerates like Best Buy. I would like to respectfully offer another perspex... I live in the Dallas/Fort Worth metroplex, and so maybe the way things are around here is different than in other parts of the world. But let me explain the "Dallas" situation... First of all, I love to frequent these so-called "mom & pop" stores, and there are a bloody lot of them around. But 95% of them are used CD stores and don't have any RH stuff (except maybe for the obligatory "Queen Elvis" or "Perspex"). Instead, they are filled with STP, Green Day, Pearl Jam and Foo Fighter imports. If you want to find rare RH vinyl or CD, there are only a few place you can go. A good example is "Forever Young Records" - but all they have is a decent but stagnant collection of 80's Robyn vinyl. Once something has been bought--it's gone. Nothing new is ever added. And FYR does not carry any of RH's CD's -- none. There is one store in Dallas called "Bill's Records" - and they do have a good RH collection on both CD & vinyl, as well as just about anything else you can want. However, Bill's is a total racket. None of the CD's or other merchandise are marked with prices and the owner, Bill, just makes up a price out of thin air when you check out. Add to that, Bill has a gang of skinhead-looking youths that follow you around and snatch CD's out of your hand as soon as you pick one up and look at it - it is really insulting. Anyway, all that to say that there is no way that Bill's is going to be put out of business by Best Buy. That dude rakes in the dollars -- charging $20 a pop for a CD! Besides, why should I pay an extra $8 for a CD when I know that money is going nowhere else but straight into Bill's pocket? The truth is (at least around here) that if you want certain CD's, there are only a few places you can go that have them. Long before Best Buy started selling imports and such this was the situation -- and Best Buy has yet to put anyone out of business in Dallas because they have expanded their inventory to include such hard-to-find acts like our friend RH. And if I have to choose between handing $20.00 over to Bill for Y&O, or $12 to Best Buy for the same CD -- I'm going to Best Buy every time. I still haunt the "mom & pop" stores that sell mostly used CD's, and every once in awhile they'll have a RH CD pop up... but they're not being hurt buy Best Buy either, if you think about it. That's because people buy new CD's from Best Buy and then sell them to the used CD stores. These stores then turn around and sell the CD's for even less--and so the folks (like me) who buy lots and lots of CD's always go to the used stores first to find what they want. Then, if they can't find what they want they'll break down and go to Best Buy or Blockbuster or Barnes & Nobles or Borders or what have you. So, see? It's all just a case of supply and demand... Just thought a different perspex needed to be aired -- in all due respect of others opinions, of course... Sincerely, Girn CD changer: empty (I'm at work) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 09:16:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: shared titles This is my final word on the subject. I think. "Rain" is also the title of a mesmerizing Ian Hunter tune from "Short Back 'N' Sides". I recommend all Ian Hunter albums to anybody who likes music. Also... This may be premature since I'm only halfway through my Monday e-mails, but since I'm already here, anyone heard about any SF Bay Area Hitchcock shows coming up? -russ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:58:17 -0700 (MST) From: Horse Badorties and the Love Chorus Subject: david lowery versus your mom On Mon, 11 Mar 1996 RxBroome@aol.com wrote: > And by the same token, Camper Fans... what does Jah increase by exactly one > in "Skinheads?" pretty sure it's phones. and he had a dream he wanted to lick your knees and sleep next plastic. or something. robyn question: our man seems regularly to play SXSW. anybody know if he's ever played North by Northwest? seems like he'd be into it, seeing as how it's in portland and stuff... zach ************************ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= She stared at them, not saying anything for a while. How quiet and beautiful they looked and then she said, "Daddy, take off the deer's head and put it on my head. Take off the deer's feet, put them on my feet. And I'll be the deer." -Richard Brautigan, "A Short History Of Religion In California" -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ************************ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 10:07:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Stuff 'bout Robyn > 6. DO policemen sing? (I've never seen this happen.) wasn't there one in the Village People? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 10:34:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: The Aquarium Visited the Monterey Bay Aquarium yesterday. When I got home I whipped out my EYE CD and played "The Aquarium" to see if I'd like it any better immediatly after a visit to the source of inspiration. I didn't. The second part--"she says she's gonna saw her head off"--is pretty good (Robyn's middles are almost always great), but otherwise there's no real melody and Robyn's singing is next to awful. Some very cool jellyfishes in the aquarium, though. -russ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 10:09:16 -0800 (PST) From: Griffith Davies Subject: LA SHOW Does anybody have any details regarding the performance scheduled for March 19 at the Aligator Lounge? I have been trying to call in for tickets, but just get a machine. It looks like I'll be making a long drive after work one night this week. ______________________________________________________________ Griffith Davies griffith.davies@csun.edu ------------------------------ From: bing@student.umass.edu Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 14:59:57 -0500 Subject: President In the liner notes to the Rhino EoL it says that the President is from a live BBC recording--are theere any other recordings from this session available? This track stands out for me as being one of the most raucous and powerful tracks the Egyptians recorded. Bradley ps- I forgot who the big Nick Lowe fan I talked to on this list is, but contact me-- i've got a cool live tape! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:18:55 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: Stuff 'bout Robyn > > > > > > 6. DO policemen sing? (I've never seen this happen.) > > > > Oh yes. Extremely well > > Haven't you heard the Welsh? They really do excel. > And when they sing for you? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Mar 1996 17:52:02 -0600 (CST) From: songbird@airmail.net (Stefanie A. Newton) Subject: Re: shared titles >On Wed, 6 Mar 1996, Russ Reynolds wrote: > >> >>Superman - Kinks >> >Who did the original of the song "Superman" that REM covered on "Life's >> >Rich Pagent?" >> >> Thanks for asking that! I've been wondering myself! > >Apparently, the original band is called The Clique, but I've never seen >any recording featuring their version. (Info from Trouser Press Record >Guide) > >Dolph My old roommate actually had this album!! He found it at a record store somewhere. He came home one night and played it and made me guess what it was. It actually sounded quite similar.... ---===] Songbird [===--- aka Stefanie A. Newton Songbird@airmail.com "It cramps your handwriting And dulls what little style you have ...." - Robyn Hitchcock ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest.