Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 49 Send posts to fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@nsmx.rutgers.edu Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Re: Kiddie Tunes Smash the Corporate Infrastructure! Re: Smash the Corporate Infrastructure! Re: Smash the Corporate Infrastructure! Re: Smash the Corporate Infrastructure! CRD's Robyn and Stipey Re: Smash the Corporate Infrastructure! Re: LA SHOW ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 12:43:42 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: Kiddie Tunes I figured that Queen Elvis would be a good album for kids. Do any of you have young'uns who like GD or Invisible Hitchcock? Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 16:17:08 -0500 Subject: Smash the Corporate Infrastructure! No, just kidding. Sort of. But I think the "Best Buy" debate does have a little bit of list relevance... For one thing, I must confess that I DID buy my copy of "Y&O" at Best Buy, for exactly the reason Gyrn provided: it was $3 cheaper. I also mentioned that I usually only patronize Mom & Pop record joints. But when I do, I mostly buy used records, which is also a piss-poor way to support your favorite artists. My point is that we all do bad things in our music-buying, from the artist's point of view. Haven't we all dubbed albums for friends? (Note that bootlegs are relatively okay, because by the time you get to buying them, you probably have all of the artist's commercial stuff, but the artist still doesn't get the royalties and may not ever want you to hear his/her demos...) If you want the music, you'll get it somehow. I still generally pay full price for every new Robyn album on its day of release, and I still lay down money for his shows when he's in town. Corporate America is here to stay, and there's nothing we can do about it other than being ourselves and following our interests (sounds kinda like the liner notes to "Globe of Frogs", eh?) So yeah, we should try to be "good", but shouldn't suffer grief from others when we "stray" from the "path". Feg parents: pleasure boxes aside, have you considered how educational Robyn can be? First off, there's that vocabulary! Then there's the biology: introduce your kids to such rare or extinct animals as trilobites... not to mention the litanny of marine life in "Bass" (though you might wanna be discrete about that loaf of bread). And history! Take the valuable lessons and historical references contained in "Cynthia Mask" or "Trams of Old London". Literature! There's "Raymond Chandler Evening", not to mention oodles of Shakespeare (use "Knife" as an introduction to MacBeth's "dagger" soliloquy). The mind reels. Finally, for Gyrn: yep, my first name is "James" too, although luckily I've always been Rex, so I don't have to invent a new spelling. But I feel your pain. -(James) Rex Broome (who is sort of unfortunately named all the way around) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 14:14:57 -0900 (AKST) From: Brett Cooper Subject: Re: Smash the Corporate Infrastructure! I agree with what was said about commercial releases. The point about artists not seeing the royalties for bootlegs doesn't hold any water with me, though. For one, I just have a hard time feeling sorry that the multi-millionaire recording artists won't see that extra 1OO grand come pouring into their account due to bootlegs. And it was quite correct to point out that in the artist's eyes, we have all done something "unethical" in way of copyright laws, and reproduction of their material. I mean, personally, I usually do try to help my favorite artist as well when I'm buying one of their albums. I don't generally buy used, and I try to pay top dollar for it so that the artist will get some sustaining funds coming in to pay the light bill. But I do like to copy music for my friends. But I don't feel that I'm doing anything wrong because I'm not really taking money away from the artist due to my replication of their music because I generally make compilation tapes from all sorts of singers, and I may take one track from one album by Robyn for instance on a tape. How much is he losing for me copying a track that he never released as a single in the first place? Brett ********************************************************* * "A wise man once said that a person trying to know * * something about everything will eventually know * * everything about nothing; and that a person trying to * * know everything about one thing will eventually know * * nothing about everything." * * -Harrison Blackwood, * * "War Of The Worlds" * *The official address of: * *BC Radio, Inc. * *cooperb@chs.mat-su.k12.ak.us * ********************************************************* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 18:13:14 -0600 From: JH3 Subject: Re: Smash the Corporate Infrastructure! Hmmm. I was perfectly willing to let this topic quietly fade away into obscurity, since it really isn't appropriate to this list (it actually belongs on alt.marketplace.records or whatever it's called), but since it's come up again... First off, Rex, I don't want you to think I'm seriously disagreeing with you here because you're essentially right. Nevertheless: >I usually only patronize Mom & Pop record joints. But when I do, I >mostly buy used records, which is also a piss-poor way to support your >favorite artists. This isn't necessarily true. While it is better to by an artist's records new (and price is irrelevant, btw), used records do two things: 1) They make it more attractive for buyers who are unfamiliar with an artist, esp. a less-mainstream one like Robyn, to experiment by buying a used copy of something for $6-$8 that they wouldn't buy for $12-$16, and 2) they keep the Mom & Pop stores in business (since they can't compete for new mainstream sales), thus helping to maintain a retail presence for even more "fringey" artists. The sad truth is that the artists are going to get screwed either way; used sales might hurt the labels slightly, but their percentage is so much larger (and unfairly so) than the artist's that it's difficult to feel sorry for them. All of this will sound familiar if you've read The Big Takeover, #36, but the best thing one can do for an artist, other than simply write them a check for nothing, is to buy their t-shirts. Yes, t-shirts, or anything else you buy directly from the artist. The artist usually gets 100 percent (minus costs) of t-shirt sales and other merchandising of their name or image. Contrast this to record sales, where they get only 6.6 cents per song off the top, and don't get ANY sales royalties until they recoup their advance money, which they have to use for production costs (and they're in debt to the label until they recoup). This is probably a big reason why Robyn has been so interested in low-tech recording (e.g., the K single) recently. One more thing: large percentages of the newer, SELLABLE used CD's in those bins (esp. in big cities with lots of radio/media) are promos. Record reviewers and deejays can make large amounts of money (sorry, Jay) by selling CD's they get for free. It's either that or throw/give them away. In essence, the labels are in a Catch-22: If they want to reduce the amount of new CD's in the used bins, they would have to stop sending promos, but then stuff might not get reviewed or played and they would have no sales. But the labels can't publicly blame reviewers and deejays for the used bins, so what do they do? They punish the Mom & Pop stores by refusing to chip in for cooperative advertising. What they should do, and won't, is reduce prices of new CD's to reflect market conditions so that these stores won't have to pay a premium for used ones -- thus giving people who sell promos more of an incentive to sell them. >Haven't we all dubbed albums for friends? If it gets that friend to go out and purchase another record (or, better yet, a t-shirt) by that artist, it's not such a bad thing. If it doesn't, well, it's not so much a loss as a failure to achieve a gain that probably wouldn't have occurred anyway. >(Note that bootlegs are relatively okay, because by the time you get to >buying them, you probably have all of the artist's commercial stuff, but the >artist still doesn't get the royalties and may not ever want you to hear >his/her demos...) Absolutely! But as Robyn fans who own Y&O we know that Robyn is at least smart enough to realize that there's a market for this material that he can tap for himself, rather than let bootleggers have it all for themselves. But most artists can't get away with that, because they don't have a Robyn-like following. And going back the earlier point, artists are usually hurt more by bootlegging of t-shirts than by bootlegging of records. >If you want the music, you'll get it somehow. I still generally pay full >price for every new Robyn album on its day of release, and I still lay down >money for his shows when he's in town. Corporate America is here to stay, >and there's nothing we can do about it other than being ourselves and >following our interests (sounds kinda like the liner notes to "Globe of >Frogs", eh?) So yeah, we should try to be "good", but shouldn't suffer grief >from others when we "stray" from the "path". Okay... But still, buying indie or import records from large discount electronics chains will only encourage them to continue what they're doing. On the other hand, if it's major-label stuff, including Robyn's, it probably doesn't matter at this point; the Mom & Pop stores have mostly given up there... --John H. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 21:49:38 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: Smash the Corporate Infrastructure! > me, though. For one, I just have a hard time feeling sorry that the > multi-millionaire recording artists won't see that extra 1OO grand come > pouring into their account due to bootlegs. Most artists, however, aren't really that rich. They're usually the last to see any of their money. For instance, a DEVO tour netting $2 million earned each member a check for $16,000. Dunno. Just thought I'd say that. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Mar 1996 23:52:18 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: CRD's Well, I started off the evening with the hopes of going through my CD's and narrowing down the untabbed list by quite a bit. I didn't. However, I got a few things done, mostly corrections. COULD SOMEONE SEND ME: Queen Elvis, I Wanna Destroy You, Some Body and/or Mr. Rock'N'Roll Thanks @THE ASKING TREE E Old lady bent like a question mark A with a shopping bag and a skin of bark E and around your neck I see A a figurine like me Esus tangling on a leather thong I hang inverted all night long tell me where I gonna die was it worth the baby's cry that's a tricky question son, it's been so long since you was one honey please deliver me from all that hangs upon the asking tree Beneath the tree, the baby lay The sky was black and the pram was grey chestnut eyes roll round in fright at what hung up there on the fright Oh no no this aint me hanging on the asking tree E A G:----------------------2-0------------------------ D:---2-0--------------------2-0h2p0---------------- A:-------2-0h2p0------0-------------3-------------- E:-0------------3---------------------------------- @SONG: Rock'N'Roll Toilet A D C A A D C I got locked with a couple of jerks in a A Rock'N'Roll Toilet In came Jacques who performed his works in a Rock'N'Roll Toilet I got wedged with a copule of clones in a Rock'N'Roll Toilet with heads as smooth as polished stone in a Rock'N'Roll Toilet Rock'N'Roll Toilet's my alibi, my lullaby, my sad googbye Rock'N'Roll Toilet's my pair of boots, my only chutes, my only roots I got wedged with a couple of dudes in a Rock'N'Roll Toilet I'd rather just sit and imagine my food Rock'N'Roll Toilet C(3) G(3) D(5) look at the beautiful patterns that form on the wall C(3) G(3) D(5) stick out your finger to trace them just look at them all Look at them all Look at them all there's no truth in a telephone booth or a Rock'N'Roll Toilet there's no way there's no decay in a Rock'N'Roll Toilet Rock'N'Roll, Rock'N'Roll, Rock'N'Roll Rock'N'Roll Toilet Rock'N'Roll @SONG The Yip SOng Ok...the chords may be a bit rough..I'm a bit unsure about the G and E. Those Yip and Vera Lynn choruses go through a cycle of E A D A intro: E E A D A E A This old man, he was flesh E A D A They wheeled him in upon a trolley E A Vera Lynn, Vera Lynn E A D A Draw a window on his skin This old man, he was next blindfolded to face the volley Vera Lynn, Vera Lynn Love will come of all our sins Paint it on my tailfin, now Vera Lynn This old man persevered in his mind, he laid with Molly Vera Lynn, Vera Lynn Cleanse us with your healing grin Septicemia always wins Vera Lynn E Coma high A Coma low E A Blood is precious D A Yes or no? G A I believe in surgery E D and thats a fact C E I believe in making it easy I believe in surgery but I never act I believe in making it easy B Easy A Easy G Easy B Easy A Easy G Easy This old man, he was gone he was gone and I was sorry Vera Lynn, Vera Lynn Down I spiral, Down I spin now Vera Lynn A Skull, A Suitcase, And A Long Red Bottle Of Wine (4:58) -------------------------------------------------- D C And in the evening when you G Am Fade away The same thing happens every Single day 'Cause when your dreams come true they G Bm7 Pretty soon D Decay I tried "Some Body", but couldn't get a note in edgewise. Could someone please tab it? Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ From: SPIFFINGNY@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 11:12:32 -0500 Subject: Robyn and Stipey While everyone finds Mr. Stipes vocal additions to "She Doesn't Exist" questionable, he is necessary to the "Dark Green Energy" track. It wasn't widely publicized, and except for the occasional at-that-time playing on the crappy nearby radio station, hasn't been played since. I've seen "She Doesn't Exist" played with the Egyptians and and Morris fills in for Stipe. I've also seen Syd Straw do "Arms of Love" and I may have become overcome with a rather quesy feeling of disgust. On other points, the Dierdre O'Donaghue 12" interview has been going for about $15 in New York City, I think Subterannean has a copy-seems they always do. And the 3" "Ballon Man" was also released in Japan. Also of note-actually, it's really not-is a fairly new Gravelpit single "Mountain" b/w "I wanna destroy you"-a rather flat and useless one upon first and all subsequent listens. Address Schizophrenic records, 233 commercial St NE, Salem, OR 97301. Best thing about it is the unusual color of vinyl, a tangerine color I've not yet seen before. be swell...lurking in the background, I remain, Tartan Keats ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 13:17:29 -0500 From: Mike Breen Subject: Re: Smash the Corporate Infrastructure! At 02:14 PM 3/9/96 -0900, Brett Cooper wrote: >me, though. For one, I just have a hard time feeling sorry that the >multi-millionaire recording artists won't see that extra 1OO grand come >pouring into their account due to bootlegs. Ever notice that it's the not-so-rich artists like Robyn who aren't bothered by bootlegs? >some sustaining funds coming in to pay the light bill. But I do like to >copy music for my friends. But I don't feel that I'm doing anything >wrong because I'm not really taking money away from the artist due to my >replication of their music because I generally make compilation tapes That and the fact that you're spreading the music to someone who wouldn't have normally heard it. Say a friend of mine says "I wanna hear some of that Alfred Hitchcock guy you keep talking about. Can you tape his best album for me?" (actually, that's a direct quote) So I dub my friend "Element of Light." It turns my friend onto Robyn and then he goes out and buys up some more albums, and goes to his next show. So by dubbing "Element" I've actually _helped_ Robyn by turning someone onto him who wouldn't normally have gone out and bought an album. ---Mike (THIS SPACE UNDER CONSTRUCTION) Check out the NEW faster home of the Other Days homepage: http://www.channel1.com/users/mikeb/odays.html Soon to take advantage of that cool Netscape 1.1 and 2.0 stuff!! ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 15:56:44 -0500 Subject: Re: LA SHOW The ad says "advance tickets available at box office". The Lounge is about two blocks away from my work but 45 minutes from my house (some quick math reveals the horror of my commute) so on Friday I lingered around the West Side until the box office opened. The guy at the box office said that he "didn't think" they would be selling advance tickets for the Robyn show. "Just show up at 8:00," he said. I don't trust him, but I'm loathe to try again (maybe the Monday before). If anyone finds out otherwise, PLEASE let me know! Rex ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest.