Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 31 Send posts to fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@nsmx.rutgers.edu Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Beefheart trib what DO wide boys do? Re: nowt so odd as folk music Re: nowt so odd as folk music fat masturbators and replies Re: Yodelling Hoover Lyrics (GITT Soft Boys, actually) Re: Yodelling Hoover Lyrics (GITT Soft Boys, actually) wide boys/fat masturbaters Re: Yodelling Hoover Lyrics (GITT Soft Boys, actually) Re: what DO wide boys do? Re: Internet Stuff... Re: Yodelling Hoover Lyrics (GITT Soft Boys, actually) Re: what DO wide boys do? Re: what DO wide boys do? Wide Boys Shootin' from da hip! mucky bucky fwd: mucky bucky And now the fake NEWS! Re: Wide Boys Re: And now the fake NEWS! Messerschmidts! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:21:14 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Beefheart trib to whomsoever it was that suggested it: but there *has* been a Captain Beefheart tribute album! I can't remember the name of it, and Robyn wasn't on it - all I can remember about it is that XTC did the track "Ella Guru". If anyone's interested, I'll see if I can hunt out more info in my stacks of unsorted virtual paper. James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 96 22:36:01 CST From: Truman Peyote Subject: what DO wide boys do? Terry- doesn't sound like any version of "yodelling hoover" that I've ever heard, but then, I don't really own any rarities. I can comment on "Give It To The Soft Boys", however. It may just be my dirty mind, but I always thought he said "wide boys masturbate". What I don't get is the Dr. Messerschmidt reference. It seems to me that this is one of those things I used to know and have now forgotten, which is really frustrating cause it makes me feel like I'm getting Alzheimer's or something. I'm sure someone around here could jog my memory on this one. Susan who has been known to forget her own phone number on occasion :) after all, it's not as though I call it a lot myself ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:43:28 +1200 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Re: nowt so odd as folk music >if you are into british folk music in general (i don't know if you are >spcifically looking for scots' stuff), you should try checking out Fairport >Convention or Steeleye Span. Rockin good music, IMHO. Also Clannad, who are >more traditional and concentrate primarily on Irish material, frequently >singing in the original Gaelic. The Incredible String Band would also be good >to look out for although their stuff is dashed difficult to find, and a band >called Pentangle (also difficult to find), who take a more jazzy approach to >this material. These are the only bands of this type that I am familiar with, >I'm sure tha other fegs could come up with a thousand more :). Pentangle are personal favourites of mine, but I'm going to mention instead Capercaillie, who are Scotland's answer to Clannad, only you can dance to them, which is a bit rare with Clannad. And as a friend of miune once said "what good's music you can't have a good grapple to?" Also worthy of several mentions are a band which cannot be described as British by any stretch of the imagination, a group of wild eyed vikings from Sweden and Finland called Hedningarna. Check out, in particular, their revelation of an album "Kaksi!" whose influences seem to include Irish Ceilidh music, traditional Scandinavian dance music, and Nina Hagen. I kid you not. James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 00:11:34 -0500 From: spaced heater Subject: Re: nowt so odd as folk music james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) sez: >Pentangle are personal favourites of mine, but I'm going to mention instead >Capercaillie, who are Scotland's answer to Clannad, only you can dance to >them, which is a bit rare with Clannad. seconded, though i don't think the clannad comparison is all that valid. capercaille is more of a traditional band with contemporary trappings, while clannad of more of a contemporary band with traditional trappings. >Also worthy of >several mentions are a band which cannot be described as British by any >stretch of the imagination, a group of wild eyed vikings from Sweden and >Finland called Hedningarna. yes, *yes*, *YES*! hedningarna was a favorite discovery of 1993 (or was it 1994?). besides the headrush that is _kaski!_, check out their more recnt album _tra_ which is just as insane. if you like this kind of thing, another band in a similar vein worth checking out is garmana whose album _vittrand_ is just plain great. while we're still on a finnish folk kick, i'll also chip in recommendations for anything by varttina and maria kalameini (whose name is just forgot how to spell). there are a ton of other finnish stuff that i've been going gaga over for the past couple years, but it's late and my brain can't think of them right now and i really should be going to bed. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 00:50:46 -0500 (EST) From: freckle baby Subject: fat masturbators and replies On Sun, 11 Feb 1996, Truman Peyote wrote: > I can comment on "Give It To The Soft Boys", however. It may just be my dirty > mind, but I always thought he said "wide boys masturbate". Well, that makes a little more sense than my "white boys masturbate" (you're not the only one with the dirty mind!) because maybe RH&SBs are commenting on the societal prejudice toward fat people which leads to their not gettin' any, which, for me at any rate, would certainly lead to masturbation. Perhaps Dr. M. is a bariatric specialist? (A doctor who specializes in the treatment of obesity) Just my two cents, which I wish weren't a cliche because I have too many damn pennies rolling around in my room Beth p.s.-Another two cents, for one short of a nickel: about the irrelevant-posting debate that's been going on, I think that for this issue as well as anything else that might piss off listmembers, people should direct their flames only to the person who posted the message in question, as opposed to the entire feglist. Just as you might not want your mailbox flooded with stuff you're not interested in, I don't want my mailbox flooded with messages saying you didn't like a post. I realize it's not my place to dictate when to do a reply-to-all-recipients, but it just seems a matter of common courtesy. Besides, I know I wouldn't want to be humiliated by a listwide post that said my message was inappropriate. It's just as effective to e-mail the poster personally. [And then Beth prepared for an onslaught of vitriol.] ################################################################################ My life in a nutshell: Peanut butter and jelly in my wallet... .\ /_ money in my sandwich... ^ but not enough to go out to lunch. \___( -Dan Piraro ############################################################################## ------------------------------ From: Mike Hardaker Subject: Re: Yodelling Hoover Lyrics (GITT Soft Boys, actually) Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:28:02 +-200 Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks said: 'Also...it *sounds* like Robyn is singing "Wide boys mess a bit" in "Give it to the Soft Boys. DOes anyone else here it this way?' I'd always heard that as "white boys masturbate", to be frank... Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 23:28:13 -0800 (PST) From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Yodelling Hoover Lyrics (GITT Soft Boys, actually) On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Mike Hardaker wrote: > Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks said: > > 'Also...it *sounds* like Robyn is singing "Wide boys mess a bit" in "Give > it to the Soft Boys. DOes anyone else here it this way?' > > I'd always heard that as "white boys masturbate", to be frank... > > Mike I always heard "wide boys'll master it"...master what?...masturbation? (does one ever achieve the status of "master" at that?). I don't think it's masturbate. After all, they wouldn't be "Soft Boys" very long if it were ;) Of course, I could be wrong. After all, I thought it was "Lucky" the Pig. --Glen <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> If today is the first day of the rest of your life, what was yesterday? "It's better to have "There are more old Drunkards something to remember than old Doctors" than nothing to regret" --Benjamin Franklin --Frank Zappa Glen E. Uber Department of Linguistics University of Washington hirsute@u.washington.edu http://weber.u.washington.edu/~hirsute <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ From: Anna Wilson Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:46:25 GMT Subject: wide boys/fat masturbaters Sometime before now, Beth said: > Well, that makes a little more sense than my "white boys masturbate" > (you're not the only one with the dirty mind!) because maybe RH&SBs are > commenting on the societal prejudice toward fat people which leads to > their not gettin' any, which, for me at any rate, would certainly lead to > masturbation. Perhaps Dr. M. is a bariatric specialist? (A doctor who > specializes in the treatment of obesity) Just my two cents, which I wish > weren't a cliche because I have too many damn pennies rolling around in > my room > I guess this isn't entirely relevant, and I can't claim to be an expert because I haven't actually heard "Give it to the Soft Boys", but I AM on night shift and I have been drinking a lot of coffee ... anyway, wide boys aren't fat people. At least, not where I come from they're not. They're kind of young, self-satisfied, self-aggrandising - lads in sharp suits - the phrase "Cockney w****r" seems, to me at least, to go hand in hand with it (no offence to any cockneys intended). Dunno if that's any help in solving the mysteries of the universe. Anna (who is single-handedly holding back the frontiers of science) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 03:54:00 -0500 (EST) From: freckle baby "'Fegmaniax!'" Subject: Re: Yodelling Hoover Lyrics (GITT Soft Boys, actually) > I don't think it's masturbate. After all, they wouldn't be "Soft Boys" > very long if it were ;) Yeah, but *white* (or wide) boys are the ones who masturbate. Since the band doesn't, they're Soft Boys. I'm just waiting for a listmember to take this as a segueway back to the "RH is sexy and we all want to have sex with him" thread. ################################################################################ My life in a nutshell: Peanut butter and jelly in my wallet... .\ /_ money in my sandwich... ^ but not enough to go out to lunch. \___( -Dan Piraro ############################################################################## ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:27:56 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: what DO wide boys do? Dr Messeschmidt designed Axis war planes during WWII. Most famour model was the Messeschmidt 109. Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 07:50:05 -0500 From: mikeb@usa1.com (Mike Breen) Subject: Re: Internet Stuff... >You see...I am pro-censorship and *very* tempted to reply to all of this >furor. I doubt that I am the only listmember who would not like to see a >big censorship argument. I came here for Robyn Hitchcock. I believe >that both commercial and political issues should not be discussed on this >list unless they are relevant. Well, the thing is... by the list's very nature of being part of the Internet, that makes the discussion quite relevant. ---Mike (THIS SPACE UNDER CONSTRUCTION) The Other Days home page NOW FEATURING SOUND CLIPS!! http://www1.usa1.com/~mikeb/odays.html mikeb@usa1.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 08:11:59 -0600 (CST) From: VERMIN-IN-TRAINING Subject: Re: Yodelling Hoover Lyrics (GITT Soft Boys, actually) >On Mon, 12 Feb 1996, Mike Hardaker wrote: >> >> I'd always heard that as "white boys masturbate", to be frank... >> >> Mike Sorry Frank....I really thinks its "white boys exfoliate".... jay > > ps. sorry about the bonus reply glen...wierd vax mailers... %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Jay Lyall "All my friends do the model girl thing hist1a@jetson.uh.edu So I found me one University of Houston Now she wears my nose ring" --Lloyd Cole "Yip Yip Yip Yip Yip Yip" "There's liquor on my breath --Robyn Hitchcock And you on my mind" --Replacements %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:09:50 -0500 From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John B. Jones) Subject: Re: what DO wide boys do? >Dr Messeschmidt designed Axis war planes during WWII. >Most famour model was the Messeschmidt 109. This would explain that line in "give it to the soft boys" that says: "he's justa one-oh-ninesin'" I have always heard the line we're all debating about as: "white boys mess a bit." But then, I always thought it was mucky the pig :) .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.: : John B. Jones "Boys for Pele is . e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu NOT an abstract : http://web.syr.edu/~jojones album" -Tori Amos (yeah, right.) .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:39:48 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: what DO wide boys do? > But then, I always thought it was mucky the pig :) arrrrrggggggh! it IS mucky the pig! :) ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:11:21 -0500 Subject: Wide Boys Terry asks: Also...it *sounds* like Robyn is singing "Wide boys mess a bit" in "Give it to the Soft Boys. DOes anyone else here it this way? Yeah... but more importantly, what do the Soft Boys end up with? Sounds like "the Doctor Mezzeschmidt"; it's more or less equally incomprehensible in both versions, but I assume it's the same thing. However, ther is some controversy over just what it is tha machines can't do: "dream" or "jerk". If the wide boys don't "mess a bit", then they must "mass-a-bate", which is a gruesome image even for Robyn. -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 10:17:00 -0600 From: Jim Moore Subject: Shootin' from da hip! Well, there I ain't had my say yet over this hear topic an I'd jist like ta say that anybody gonna try ta steel my constatooshunal rites away's gonna hafta smell my gunsmoke! Them yellow-bellie, dung-smokin', chicken-liver, hog breath, fat heddid stinkin' commie pinkos american-hatin, no underwear-wearin', cracker-totin', plastic cheeze bag sorry suckers with no gentiles ain't gonna keep me frum my artillerey weaponry cause weeze da MISHIGUN MILISHA!!! Peace, Orville "Dogpile" Skeeterbait Corporal Secund Class Secret SWAT Mishun Teem MILLISHA ------------------------------ From: bing@student.umass.edu Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:44:14 -0500 Subject: mucky bucky Okay, i'm confused. Could someone tell me: A. what is it really, again? and, B. what did I sing on the trib tape? Also, what label is Robyn on now? thanks, Bradley --Boundary (ID Uc8AN3wirU/h8wHF1ceYjA)-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 10:50:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: fwd: mucky bucky ======== Original Message ======== Okay, i'm confused. Could someone tell me: A. what is it really, again? and, B. what did I sing on the trib tape? Also, what label is Robyn on now? thanks, Bradley --Boundary (ID Uc8AN3wirU/h8wHF1ceYjA)-- ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== A. After careful review of the videotape (D.C. show from the video compilation), the referees have ruled it's "Mucky". The play stands as called. B. I haven't heard the tribute tape, but if you sang "Bucky" you'll probably be forever known as "the idiot who sang Bucky" and you'll never get another job in showbiz. Or, you'll be labeled as "the genius who cleverly sang Bucky instead of Mucky" and will be a big smash on the talk show circuit. Could go either way; too early to tell. (implied) C. Everyone says Warner Brothers (based on something Robyn said at a recent performance), though I don't believe there's been any official confirmation of that yet. -Russ. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 14:22:15 -0500 From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John B. Jones) Subject: And now the fake NEWS! I for one am growing tired of opinions and conjectures on here. I want Robyn news! Any kind! Make it up if you have to! I have some news: A&M, trying to cash in on the Robyn momentum generated by the Rhino reissues :) and the recent WB contract, is releasing a Wafflehead remix EP. It features 5 remixes by some of today's hottest names: 1. Wafflehead (radio edit) 2:57 2. Wafflehead (Moby remix) (w/french vocals!) 6:15 3. Wafflehead (Flood remix) 5:45 4. Wafflehead (Aphex Twin remix) 5:32 5. Wafflehead (Touched by the Hand of The Orb remix): 24:06 6. Wafflehead (Bobby Ferrin remix) 3:32 And that's the fake news....good night. .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.: : John B. Jones "Boys for Pele is . e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu NOT an abstract : http://web.syr.edu/~jojones album" -Tori Amos (yeah, right.) .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.: ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:14:04 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: Wide Boys > Yeah... but more importantly, what do the Soft Boys end up with? > Sounds like "the Doctor Mezzeschmidt"; it's more or less equally > incomprehensible in both versions, but I assume it's the same thing. > However, ther is some controversy over just what it is tha machines can't > do: "dream" or "jerk". > Can of Bees: Jerk Raw Cuts/Box Set/Wading Through: Dream This tape I've got: Swim [or maybe Scream] Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:19:51 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: And now the fake NEWS! > > I have some news: A&M, trying to cash in on the Robyn momentum generated > by the Rhino reissues :) and the recent WB contract, is releasing a > Wafflehead remix EP. It features 5 remixes by some of today's hottest > names: > > 1. Wafflehead (radio edit) 2:57 > 2. Wafflehead (Moby remix) (w/french vocals!) 6:15 > 3. Wafflehead (Flood remix) 5:45 > 4. Wafflehead (Aphex Twin remix) 5:32 > 5. Wafflehead (Touched by the Hand of The Orb remix): 24:06 > 6. Wafflehead (Bobby Ferrin remix) 3:32 > > And that's the fake news....good night. Two more news items: James Dignan has been conscripted into compiling all of these remixes, plus "I have no f*cking clue", "Laughter", "She Doesn't Exit" and "Paint Your Pessirodactyl", along with the Soft Egyptians Tour 95 onto tape. Hopefully it will be out soon. ALso...Gloss Fish is still going to be released. If you want to contribute, contribute please. [Gloss Fish is a compilation tape of original songs by bands which either were or weren't on Glass Flesh] Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Feb 96 17:25:51 CST From: Truman Peyote Subject: Messerschmidts! Well, now that line "he just one-o-nines em" makes a good deal more sense. I still maintain that I hear "wide boys masturbate", or, to be nitpicky, "wide boys a-masturbate". Wide boys in the sense of too-much-cologne wearing would-be smooth yobbos, not in the sense of boys of excessive girth, that is. My image of a wide boy is kind of like the character of Keith Talent in MArtin Amis' "London Fields", for those of you familiar with the book. I suspect that this tyoe of wide boy isn't that successful with women either, when you come right down to it :). Susan not using this as an excuse to start another thread about how sexy RH is, though he's welcome to visit my futon any old time :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest.