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Re: Internet Stuff... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:22:15 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: Surfer Ghost > I'm woefully behind the times, but thanks to our friend I think that that's my name to insert there, but who cares.. > If > popularity was wit he'd be the poet's Brad Pitt! Anyhow, in the more I don't really get what you mean..if popularity was wit, he'd be about as witty as Brad Pitt. If wit were popularity, however... > emotional and just "great ol' songs" category, my faves are: "Sinister but > Happy", "Silver Wands", "Surfer Ghost", "Flagstones" and the cool version > of "Zipper" (but who's that playing drums and bass?) Well, one version of Zipper is Robyn solo with lots of reverb. The other is from the Soft Boys Reunion [That's Andy, Morris (the real Morris), and Matt on drums and bass. Oh..and some guy pretending to be Kimberly Rew on guitar] I really think that Trilobite, Surfer Ghost, Beautiful Queen, I am not me and DeChirico Street are really cool songs. If you play Bright Fresh Flower backwards, it sounds a little like Silver Wands. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 22:24:04 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: alcohol references When I Was a Kid [Invisible Hits, Original Version..I think..or maybe alternate WIWAK version..] Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, vlyg wrote: > while we are on the subject of chatter at the end of songs.I have a quick > question. > On the end of one of the Soft Boys albums i forget which one Robyn says > Cleethorpes > What?Who?Where? is this? > > VLYG > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 16:34:26 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: divers alarums silly question, I know, but since we all know Robyn sometimes changes lyrics around from the recorded versions when he's singing live (as a lot of singers do), what's to stop him singing Mucky live on some occasions, and Bucky on others, as he does on the album? ;) BTW - okay, I was duped by the Bruford connection, too, but - to whoever said Bruford was in King Crimson, the correct verb tense here is the present: Bruford IS in the loudest noise on the planet. Long live the King! - Russ Reynolds responded: >I'm talking about an entire album of new material, two different versions >of the same album being released simultaneously. Same songs, same order, >one electric album, one acoustic album. The innovation comes not from >doing different versions of the same song, but from offering different >versions of the same ALBUM. Has that been done before? And given the >current climate for acoustic records (thanks to "Unplugged") this would >seem to be a good time for someone to try it. If Robyn doesn't do it maybe >Bruce Springsteen or Guns'N'Roses will. -russ. again, this is not an original idea... Amazing Australian Ed Kuepper (formerly of the Saints, the Laughing Clowns and the Aints) put out an album last year ("Character Assassination") that was released as a double CD, the first CD being electric, the second, the same songs in their acoustic demo form. Both good CDs. His best, however, is still the (highly recommended) Serene Machine. - Brett Cooper intoned: >Has Robyn ever been known to work with any of the now-defunct group, >Talking Heads? I was thinking along the line of David Byrne, Chris Frantz, >Tina Weymouth, or Jerry Harrison. That I can't answer, but I do know that the band of "Heads" (i.e., Frantz, Weymouth and Harrison) is recording an album, using different guest vocalists for each track. One of those set to appear is Andy Partridge from XTC. James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 17:00:49 +1300 (NZDT) From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: Cleethorpes and Reg >while we are on the subject of chatter at the end of songs.I have a quick >question. >On the end of one of the Soft Boys albums i forget which one Robyn says >Cleethorpes >What?Who?Where? is this? Cleethorpes is a town on the east coast of England, close to that delightfully named city, Grimsby. A thought about Reg, especially as it is a name moist associated with Brenda's Iron Sledge, a song about Thatcher's Britain. When Margaret Thatcher took over as leader of the British Conservative Party, her main rival for appointment to that position was a politician by the name of Reginald Maudling. Coincidence? Or not? That is for *you* to decide! James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Feb 96 21:07:36 CST From: Truman Peyote Subject: Re-Torts Aaron retorts: >Please don't call me Reg - that's not my name! To which I reply- I don't CARE what you're called, I just want to shave you bald, and I'll know that I've finished my search. Susan when a true genius appears, you shall know him by this sign- that he shall be opposed by a confederacy of dunces............. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 00:00:27 -0600 From: seesaw@ezl.com (Stephen Austin) Subject: Re:Robyn Hanging Hitchcock box set Transcribed from WFNX Radio Interview - Perspex era NR = Neil Roberts the interviewer RH: "...and its called, "Give Us Your Follicules Honey." Its Great. And he [Michael Stipe] sing a line and I sing a line, but that didn't make it on the album." NR: "But your thinking of maybe" RH: "It'll come out on single cd like thing." NR: "Perhaps the Robyn Hitchcock box set that we can expect in the, like next five years or so." RH: "I guess it depends on the state of my finances really. No, I think it will be on the EXHAUST THE PERSPEX ISLAND SESSIONS; with special refernce to R.E.M. who by that stage would have been given the keys to the White House probably. NR: "I would expect so." RH: "They will have been coopted into one of those just say no campaigns or something." NR: "Can you hang out for a few minutes?" RH: "Hanging is my middle name." just a tidbit on the subject Stephen seesaw@ezl.com ------------------------------ From: RxBroome@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 01:12:23 -0500 Subject: Re: This Talking Heads thing... On Tue, 6 Feb 1996, Kristine White wrote: > I have oft wondered if Robyn meant the line "and he wrote my name next to > yours--but it should have been David Byrne or somebody" as a compliment or > an insult. Any answers or theories out there? Me again. Robyn talks in a mildly disparaging tone about the Heads in the liner notes to the Ryko Soft Boys compilation; it seems mostly in reference to their electro-funk musical "style" and the fact that Robyn's music never clicked with even the "alternative" "mainstream". Personally, I quite like the Heads, but for completely different reasons than I like Robyn; Byrne is certainly no master of popcraft, but nor did he ever aspire to be. At least, I hope. Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 1980 01:41:35 -0600 From: Bret Subject: sorry, no RH content..but........ > >> >>In view of our elected officials in Washington once again deciding they are >>better judges of the content of our communications than we are (ref. >>Telecommunications bill signed by our plastic pal Bill Clinton 2/8/96 -- >>"Black Thursday" as it has been dubbed by net users), I thought it might be >>fun to compile a list of folks previously deemed to be offensive (and >>therefore to be curtailed in their "threatening speech") by the would-be >>PURITAN OVERLORDS. E-mail me with additions to the list. Send it around to >>other people, too. Maybe we can have a little fun with this. >> >>Here goes. >> >>D.H. Lawrence >>Frank Zappa >>Henry Miller >>Jesus Christ >>Elvis Presley >>The Rolling Stones >>Daniel Defoe (sp?) (Moll Flanders) >>Geoffrey Chaucer >>Oscar Wilde >>Luther Campbell >>Charles Darwin >>Communists in Hollywood >>George Carlin (the 1978 Pacifica case set a legal precedent) >>Socrates >>Galileo >>Nelson Mandela >>John Lennon (banned from visiting the USA at one time) >>Mark Twain >>Jim Morrison >>Martin Luther >> >> >>etc. etc. etc. >> >>You get the idea, add some stuff. >> > > > >if you guys don't mind, could you send some more to me???????? > > >thanx a million......even you guys (guys is gender free) across the pond from here could help me out a little.......... > > > > >-----Bret > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 96 00:58 PST From: upstart@mindlink.bc.ca (Renee Lynn) Subject: Re: Cleethorpes and Reg >A thought about Reg, especially as it is a name moist associated with Wow, James, that is my moist favouritest typo I ever seen!! Tanx! : ) RLT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:26:48 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin Subject: Reg REG rhymes with 'sledge' and 'hedge'; I think that's all there is to it (cf. discussion concerning 'divorce' and 'horse'). Cleethorpes is an east coast (of England) fishing port near Grimsby. There used to be a train from Bath to Cleethorpes in the sixties, but not since they closed Green Park Station in 1966. However, I assume that Cleethorpes is still in position, albeit less accessible. Latest news - large amount of further Cleethorpes info subsequently obtained from: http://www.state51.co.uk/knowhere/ "Knowhere Guide to Cleethorpes", apparently written mainly by skateboarders. * * * * * * Hook-up Spot: At "Pinto" gigs. Pinto are totally rad. Clothes Shops In the precinct in Grimsby. Record Shops In the precint, Grimsby. Skateboard Shops: Elsfal. They've got some old boards but some quite new stuff as well. Newsagents: Don't use Blee's on Hardy's Road because he's a miserable old bastard. * Pubs o Willy's pub (brews his own beer) o Smuggler's Inn o The Dolphin o The Vic o Bootlegger's * Clubs o The Pier o JD's * Best Things: o Best thing are totally rad skaters and the offices and courts up Grimsby town. o JDs (not) o Pleasure Island, fun unlimited!! o Fresh fish + chippys o Mad Dog Mcree o Skating down the front or sliproad into the Humber o reefers!!! reefers!!! reefers!!! reefers!!! o Dean Baker (music maker) maybe not hey!!!! o I think you should mention that BLUR have played the pier and Cleethorpes also hosts Democracy, mentioned on Pete Tong's essential selection and has had people such as Alistair Whitehead and Boy George dj there * Worst Things: o Lamest things are druggies, drunkies and un-waxed curbs. Knowhere is an offering to the Web community from C21 Publishing. Mail knowhere@c21pub.demon.co.uk with feedback, corrections, additions, offers of help, if you want to reproduce it, and so on. Thanks. * * * * * (That's enough about Cleethorpes - Ed.) - MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 08:00:10 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: sorry, no RH content..but........ > >>fun to compile a list of folks previously deemed to be offensive (and > >>therefore to be curtailed in their "threatening speech") by the would-be > >>PURITAN OVERLORDS. E-mail me with additions to the list. Send it around to > >>other people, too. Maybe we can have a little fun with this. > >>Jesus Christ > >>Martin Luther You find me a puritan who bans Jesus Christ or Martin Luther and I'll consider this article relevant. > >if you guys don't mind, could you send some more to me???????? We mind. Terry. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 96 14:29:07 GMT From: jturner@rpms.ac.uk (the pale one) Subject: odds & sods Robyn & Egyptians on UK TV tonight. BBC2 "Sounds of the Eighties" at around 7.30pm or 8pm. Just the one song, probably, I guess from the Whistle Test appearance of '85-ish. The first copies of the first PJ Harvey album came with the whole album repeated as acoustic demos. They weren't as good as the finished versions, but interesting nevertheless. There was a Nick Drake tribute album, but Robyn wasn't on it. I can't remember what it was called, but since it has the Walkabouts and the High Llamas on it, it's still worth tracking down. I believe it was on Imaginary, the same label that put out the Barrett & Hendrix albums. But I may be wrong. Sadly, there was no sign of Robyn on the Johnny Cash tribute album of a few years back, despite Johnny having lots of train songs to choose from. Apologies for the late posting of the set list from 26th January, but the time I spent lying in my sick bed has allowed me to reconstruct the set lists, to complement Jim's earlier report: new song about feelers/Wreck of the Arthur Lee/Glass Hotel/My Wife And My Dead Wife/One Long Pair of Eyes/The Ghost In You/Glass/*/Madonna of the Wasps/Balloon Man/Birds In Perspex/Vegatation and Dimes I Am Not Me/She Doesn't Exist/Statue With A Walkman/More Than This/ The Yellow Snake/Shuffling Over The Flagstones/*/Fair Play/Scottish trad/ Bass/Kingdom of Love/Listening to the Higsons (Andy joined at * in each set) I hope I didn't miss any, please post if you spot any errors or omissions. The Yellow Snake is an Incredible String Band number, possibly not on the covers list. I don't know what the Scottish tune was, but it was in celebration of Burns' Night. Maybe Jay picked up a book of Scots songs in Edinburgh. The usual stuff about Prince Charles, kilts, sergeants etc. For fans of Mark Ellen, the Love Trousers set in the middle of Robyn was: If You Have Ghosts(Roky Erikson)/Holocaust(Alex Chilton)/The Blades of Battenburg(Paul Roland). virally yours, Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 96 08:45:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: Re: alcohol references ======== Original Message ======== When I Was a Kid [Invisible Hits, Original Version..I think..or maybe alternate WIWAK version..] Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, vlyg wrote: > while we are on the subject of chatter at the end of songs.I have a quick > question. > On the end of one of the Soft Boys albums i forget which one Robyn says > Cleethorpes > What?Who?Where? is this? > > VLYG > > ======== Fwd by: Russ Reynolds ======== Actually, I think it follows "Song No. 4" (very Dylanesque title, by the way, doncha think?) -russ. ------------------------------ From: "Brian Huddell" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:01:05 +0000 Subject: Re: sorry, no RH content..but........ Terry sez: > > >>Jesus Christ > > >>Martin Luther > > You find me a puritan who bans Jesus Christ or Martin Luther and I'll > consider this article relevant. Yeah, but isn't the point that J.C.'s free speech was rather roundly curtailed? Nails and all. > > >if you guys don't mind, could you send some more to me???????? > > We mind. Maybe. But as of Black Thursday we no longer "fucking mind." brian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 96 13:11:36 CST From: Truman Peyote Subject: last call for freedom of speech Yes, yes, I know- this has nothing to do with RH. But I think it was a bit unfair to jump on the person who posted this freedom of speech post. Obviously he/she meant well. I don't see what good compiling this list is, though. Aside from the fact that it won't do any conceivable good aside from assuaging a few tempers temporarily, such a list would be incredibly long and virtually impossible to ever really finish. I'd also like to add that trying to convert people to a new religion and way of thinking (as Jesus Christ did) and dying for it on a cross is just a tad different from not being allowed to say fuck, wouldn't you agree? Not that that isn't annoying and downright scary, that isn't my point. Just that there IS a difference of degrees here :). With an election coming up, do you really think that protesting could possibly do any good? When you put "child" and "pornography" in the same sentence, it tends to whip people into a froth that puts cappucino to shame. Add in a healthy dose of technophobia and general fear of the information age, and voila! political suicide for the man who doesn't sign the bill. It will most likely be struck down as unconstitutional very soon anyway, and even if this does not happen, the bill is virtually unenforceable given the nature of the internet and probably will just become a laughingstock and eventually be repealed. Don't believe me? Think "Volstead Act" (for those English-ers and others not familiar with US History, that was the act that banned the manufacture and sale of alcohol in the US- hahahaha yeah right, that was real successful). Another bill signed into law in a campaign year during some sort of conservative frenzy to please a given section of the populace and eventually abandoned as silly and unenforceable. I have a feeling this communications bill will not even last as long as Prohibition did. It felt good to get that out of my system................. and in a sort of general RH type of way, the following IS relevant to the list: "I support this bill because it keeps the internet from becoming innudiated with filth" :). They will drown in their own idiocy, you know that don't you? Sometimes you have to let nature take its course :). AAAAAAAAANYroad.... I very much dug Bayard's chronology, especially the early history parts :). Good job, there, very extensive. I'm glad someone took the time to put something like that together. Also the skater's guide to damn! I forget the name of the town, but I enjoyed it anyway :). Although sometimes I wonder if I would really be so thrilled with names like "East Grinstead" and "Grimsby" and "Basingstoke" if I were actually English......thoughts on this, anyone? Susan sometimes I listen to Robyn Hitchcock in my spare time........ ------------------------------ From: DARAMSEY@vassar.edu Date: Fri, 09 Feb 1996 17:00:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Internet Stuff... Okay, this is just my two cents. I want to say that Terry Marks's reply to Brett's post was a little bit annoying because I did not like Terry saying "We mind", as if he were speaking for the whole Feg-list. Personally I did not mind Brett's post, and was somewhat interested in what he had to say. I also agree with Susan's comments. So, Terry, if you want to reply to a post, don't presume to speak for other people. It's rude. I'm not trying to offend you or anything, it's just how I feel. peace, daveR. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 22:29:15 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: Internet Stuff... On Fri, 9 Feb 1996 DARAMSEY@vassar.edu wrote: > > Okay, this is just my two cents. I want to say that Terry Marks's > reply to Brett's post was a little bit annoying because I did not like Terry > saying "We mind", as if he were speaking for the whole Feg-list. Personally I > did not mind Brett's post, and was somewhat interested in what he had to say. > I also agree with Susan's comments. You see...I am pro-censorship and *very* tempted to reply to all of this furor. I doubt that I am the only listmember who would not like to see a big censorship argument. I came here for Robyn Hitchcock. I believe that both commercial and political issues should not be discussed on this list unless they are relevant. I don't know where, but I think that someone here agrees with me. I, personally, would like it if no one would post political or commercial advertisements here. > So, Terry, if you want to reply to a post, don't presume to speak for > other people. It's rude. I'm not trying to offend you or anything, it's just > how I feel. Ok. Likewise. This post isn't directed at you, Dave, it's just something I'd wanted to say and you gave me a chance to say it. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 21:55:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" Subject: Re: sorry, no RH content..but........ On Tue, 8 Jan 1980, Bret wrote: > >>"Black Thursday" as it has been dubbed by net users), I thought it might be > >>fun to compile a list of folks previously deemed to be offensive (and > >>therefore to be curtailed in their "threatening speech") by the would-be > >>PURITAN OVERLORDS. E-mail me with additions to the list. Send it around to > >>other people, too. Maybe we can have a little fun with this. > >> > >>Here goes. > >> > >>D.H. Lawrence > >>Frank Zappa > >>Henry Miller > >>Jesus Christ > >>Elvis Presley > >>The Rolling Stones > >>Daniel Defoe (sp?) (Moll Flanders) > >>Geoffrey Chaucer > >>Oscar Wilde > >>Luther Campbell > >>Charles Darwin > >>Communists in Hollywood > >>George Carlin (the 1978 Pacifica case set a legal precedent) > >>Socrates > >>Galileo > >>Nelson Mandela > >>John Lennon (banned from visiting the USA at one time) > >>Mark Twain > >>Jim Morrison > >>Martin Luther You can't forget God. I mean, the bill also contains language forcing broadcasters to code *any* program w/violence so new technology (the "v-chip") can censor it out if you want--if the Bible were tv it'd certainly have to be v-chipped. I mean, smiting, drowning, attempted ritual child murder (okay, okay, conspiracy to attempt ritual child murder...you get the idea). And Robyn, too--except most folks're too obtuse to understand when he's being nahsty. --Jeff Jeffrey Norman "Verbosity leads to University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee unclear, incoherent things" Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. e-mail: jenor@csd.uwm.edu --Dan Quayle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 21:57:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" Subject: Re: sorry, no RH content..but........ On Fri, 9 Feb 1996, Brian Huddell wrote: > Maybe. But as of Black Thursday we no longer "f*cking mind." Just savin' yer a*s there. Actually, the new, proper term is "we no longer fishin' mind." --Jeff Jeffrey J. Norman, Dept. of English & Comparative Literature University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee I'M ONLY AS LARGE AS AN ANT AND I'M HIDING INSIDE YOUR CAR --cryptic placemat phrase, Madison, WI, 1986 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 12:22:14 -0500 From: spaced heater Subject: Re: Internet Stuff... Terry Marks sez: >I doubt that I am the only listmember who would not like to see a >big censorship argument. seconded. please, if any of you feel the need to argue about the telecom reform act, censorship or related issues, take it offlist. thanks, woj ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- The End of this Fegmaniax Digest.