Fegmaniax Digest Volume 4 Number 1 Send posts to fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu Send subscribe/unsubscribe commands to majordomo@nsmx.rutgers.edu Send comments, etc. to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu FegMANIAX! Web Page: http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/fegmaniax/ Archives are available at http://archive.uwp.edu/pub/music/lists/fegmaniax/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- Jet Set Flier/Greasy Quiff Winchester that's when your heartaches begin Homebrew (NO RH content) CRD: Allright Yeah Poor Will Tape I would like these TAB's Need to identify a tape... Re: Need to identify a tape... rock quotes Re: II Questions Re: Can of Bees two things... Re: Can of Bees - killer tape heads rock quotes ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 1996 17:21:07 -0800 From: cagedrat@ix.netcom.com (Smegmaniax ) Subject: Jet Set Flier/Greasy Quiff Hello Everyone and Happy New Year! Going thru Bayard Catron's extensive RH song list I came across these: Jet Set Flier Greasy Quiff by the Toby Jug & Washboard Band Does anyone have copies for trade(tape)? I read they are wretched but the morbid curiosity makes me wanna hear them anyhow Rob Zarzecki -- DARK GLOBE (written by Syd Barrett) Oh where are you now? Pussy willow that smiled on my sleeve When I was alone, you promised a stone from your heart My head kissed the ground, I was half the way down, treading the sand Please... please lift a hand, I'm only a person Whose armbands beat on his hands hang tall ------------------------------ From: Mike Hardaker Subject: Winchester Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 14:27:48 +-200 With regard to the Hitchcock education, or lack thereof, I seem to recall reading somewhere that he went to King Alfred's College in Winchester, and also that he (or maybe the Soft Boys) played there later. Fine, except that there are two King Alfreds' in Winchester. The one beside the Recreation Ground is the Art College, while there is also one up the hill which used (in the days he might have gone there) to be a teacher-training place specialising in art and sport. Both had various places to gig, incidentally, at least when I was doing that circuit back in 1978-82, with the Art College's tiny Student Union building having a decent PA but crap acoustics (and more poseurs/square yard than anywhere in the known universe). The other place had a big hall which was never - to the best of my knowledge - used for gigs, and a largish bar which was, but only occasionally. I strongly suspect that the Stalinist name-changes which have recently taken place in the British academic world to stop people feeling inferior because they didn't get into a proper University will have meant that at least one of these places is now called something like 'The University Of That Bit Of Southern England Which Is A Bit North Of Southhampton'. Or maybe not. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 96 16:29:19 EST From: kenster@MIT.EDU (ostrander) Subject: that's when your heartaches begin if you find your sweetheart lying not too far away from the arm of your very best friend brother that's... that's when your heartaches really begin and i want everyone to know those tiny little dreams that you've nourished like a potted plant and kept treasured away somewhere in the hothouse of your psyche one by one are taken out and dismantled by some clobhoppered fiend you thought was the one you could trust to borrow things off and lend things to in turn without you just lending things to and then not getting anything back well, that's when you know the thing is something to mess you up isn't it? don't answer me back. because love is a thing and it's a thing you can't share you can't pass it around two into one doesn't go unless you're happy with meager fractions and i for one am not so if your think some crawly little two-bit reptile sneaking up into the crevices of the one you love hair, folicles, bones, sinue, tissue, nostrils, the whole bloody lot that is the end of your sweetheart that's the end of your love that's when your heartaches begin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 1996 17:05:47 -0600 From: mbrage@surgery.bsd.uchicago.edu (Michael Brage) Subject: Homebrew (NO RH content) Greetings all, I was wondering if any of you might know if there is a server/mailing list for people who brew homemade beer. I've just started but I think a mailing list for homebrewers would be exceedingly helpful.. Thanks Sincerely; Michael Brage ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 17:18:59 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: CRD: Allright Yeah There's a piano in my school and I have free time, so I decided to sit down and figure this one out. Is it right? Maybe. It may be in the wrong key, but the chords sound right in relation to each other. I left out the bridge because I forgot that the song had one.. G D Am Em D I gotta split, it's a quaint old fashioned way to leave the room C G What's your mother for? C G Not a launchpad for your father. C G D No No No No No, Allright Yeah. Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 15:24:47 -0800 From: cagedrat@ix.netcom.com (Smegmaniax ) Subject: Poor Will Tape >and the tape from which Poor Will is >taken also includes half-a-dozen unreleased SBs songs. Whine, whine, >whine. I have the Rout disc, and a few tapes of odd Soft Boys outtakes and alternates, but no tape with this Richard Thompson song among the unreleased Soft Boys tunes. Can anyone with a tape of these sessions with Poor Will please post a song list, or the 1/2 dozen unreleased Soft Boys tracks Rob -- PSA (BAD DAY) R.E.M. Radio no, play the game, three words, first one short, magazine, book, cinema, N - O - down, many fears are gone, step down, step down, watch a heel crush, ah this means war ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 1996 18:27:26 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Assa Subject: I would like these TAB's Queen Elvis Cynthia Mask --------------------------------------------------- 1. Earth is 98% full. Please delete anyone you can. 2. I came, I saw, I deleted all your files. 3. The world will end in 5 minutes. Please log out. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 06:12:24 +0200 Subject: Need to identify a tape... From: Aaro.Koskinen@Helsinki.FI (Aaro Koskinen) Hello everyone, I've got Robyn & Egyptians tape, supposedly broadcasted by Westwood One in late 1991, and I'd like to know when & where (London?) it was recorded. I wonder if anyone can identify it, here's some info: Set: Oceanside, Birds in Perspex, Chinese Bones, Somewhere Apart, Ride, So You Think You're In Love, Child Of The Universe, Ultra Unbelievable Love Some speaks: "...if you're watching this on TV, this isn't actually happening" (after Oceanside), "Great to be back in London, the birth place of princess Anne" (after Chinese Bones) -- aaro@iki.fi ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 01:45:41 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard Subject: Re: Need to identify a tape... it's from the town and country in (yep) London. recorded about 11-91 i think, but not rebroadcast here until a few months later. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 96 11:01:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: rock quotes bayard remarked: >don't leave me hangin' russ! I'd love to hear what ol rh had to say, >pearl-of-wisdom wise. Alas, the book of rock quotes is still at home, on top of a stack of People magazines, Consumer Reports, Architectural Digests and other bathroom reading material. Both quotes sounded familiar, though, so I will paraphrase so as not to "keep you in suspense" (they may already be listed in the archives somewhere) one went something like: "I'm not a very good singer, but neither is anyone else, really" and the other one talked about how the Soft Boys got their name (pure fiction, I believe, but amusing). Something about not wanting to choose a name that was too disturbing, and then giving an example of a very disturbing name. I guess I don't remember this one well enough to paraphrase. I guess I better bring the book to work. I guess you're still in suspense. -Russ. todays background music provided by: Smashing Pumpkins: "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness", The Undertones: "The Very Best of the Undertones", Green Day: "Insomniac", The Cranberries: "No Need To Argue". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:31:24 -0500 From: mikeb@usa1.com (Mike Breen) Subject: Re: II Questions >Does anyone have an idea as to what the very annoying ringing sound is that >permeates the verses of "Driving Aloud" ? I believe it's a very high key on a piano. ---Mike (THIS SPACE UNDER CONSTRUCTION) The Other Days home page NOW FEATURING SOUND CLIPS!! http://www1.usa1.com/~mikeb/odays.html mikeb@usa1.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Jan 1996 18:31:25 -0500 From: mikeb@usa1.com (Mike Breen) Subject: Re: Can of Bees >And is it really possible to turn the guitars up so loud that the tape >disintigrates? I don't know about _that_, but you can get a heck of a lot of distiortion and bleed-through (from personal experiance). ---Mike (THIS SPACE UNDER CONSTRUCTION) The Other Days home page NOW FEATURING SOUND CLIPS!! http://www1.usa1.com/~mikeb/odays.html mikeb@usa1.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 1996 00:06:02 -0800 (PST) From: Miss Teen Reclamation USA Subject: two things... first, i am curious as to if anyone could post/mail the label and catalog number for the 'alivin lives in leeds' [right title, yeah?] the anti-poll tax album. perhaps a track listing would be helpful, too. second, for cheri [cheri@peabody.isgs.uiuc.edu]. i tried to mail you but it bounced. i'll send it again, but if not please mail me again and we will deal with such matters. thanks all, .chris ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Fri, 5 Jan 96 10:19:38 EST Subject: Re: Can of Bees - killer tape heads Mike Breen answered a question from a forgotten source: >>And is it really possible to turn the guitars up so loud that the tape >>disintigrates? > >I don't know about _that_, but you can get a heck of a lot of distiortion >and bleed-through (from personal experiance). > >---Mike (THIS SPACE UNDER CONSTRUCTION) > OK, it's time we laid this to rest. Getting a sound onto tape generally involves this: sound source (microphone or electronic) || mixer || tape recorder electronics || tape head (an electromagnet - coil of very fine wire) || tape (magnetically sensitive material on a mylar ribbon) Clipping would affect a sawtooth wave tone (like a violin) this way: Normal: . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Clipped: .. ... . . . . . . ... .. The vertical axis is current, and the horizontal axis is time. Replace voltage with air pressure, and you have a diagram of the sound itself. I used a sawtooth wave because it's easier to draw, but the principle applies to any sound you can think of. When a signal is clipped, its power output is limited. This is reflected by the reduced "height" of the signal. Clipping can occur at the microphone, which has physical limits on how far its diaphragm can move and how much voltage it can generate, or at an electronic source, which has an output with a limited amount of power. If the microphone generates a huge signal, it can be clipped at the mixer (or preamp or whatever). If a huge signal gets past a mixer designed by some crazed engineer who wants to make some equipment smoke, it gets clipped by the limited amplifying power of the tape recorder electronics. Inside the tape recorder, the signal is added to another high frequency signal that "excites" the oxide on the mylar tape, and the result is sent to the tape head, which is basically an electromagnet. If some huge signal somehow got past all these things (only because someone had DESIGNED the equipment for this destructive purpose) it would magnetize the oxide to its maximum capacity (clipping again). The recording tape itself is mostly mylar. Try to break it sometime. Go ahead, TRY! You can slice it with a razor, but the damned stuff is so tough that if you try to rip it you might hurt your hands instead. So now we're being asked if a signal can pass through all these limited output devices and somehow drive a small electromagnet (with a coil that will burn out of it is driven too hard) and generate enough electromagnetic force (or heat if the tape head itself had been designed by the same psychopath and the magnet wires were HUGE) to actually destroy a sheet of mylar so tough you can't tear it. Yeah, probably. Especially if the sound is from an instrument that has been tuned a few cents SHARPER than normal! Print through (where saturated tape actually magnetizes the layer of tape next to it while it sits on the shelf) and distortion are the worst I ever encountered during my stint as a recording studio sound technician, but I guess I never had access to equipment designed by really EVIL people. >The Other Days home page NOW FEATURING SOUND CLIPS!! >http://www1.usa1.com/~mikeb/odays.html > GREAT idea! -- ROSS OVERBURY - The Devil's ex-Sound Technician. email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Jan 96 11:18:00 -0800 From: Russ Reynolds Subject: rock quotes okay, here it is... from "The Great Rock'N'Roll Quote Book", edited by Merrit Malloy (anyone know who this is?), in the section titled "Truth In Advertising?": "I'm not really a good singer. But most people aren't, either." -Robyn Hitchcock and in the section titled "band names" "...Two of the guys [members of The Soft Boys] were half-Jewish, so we could have sort of called ourselves The Psychedelic Jews but it's the sort of thing that offends Jews and goyim alike. You're just going to piss everyone off. That's part of the appeal, really. Like calling an album 'Queer for Jesus,' y'know. It's very tempting, if you want to deal with the torrent of misunderstanding that follows." -Robyn Hitchcock I just realized why that second quote sounds familiar: The box for the GLTHO video (or maybe it's on the fegMania LP sleeve) has "The Psychedelic Jews" scribbled on it somewhere. Now I know what that's about! -Russ. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] The End of this Fegmaniax Digest.