Fegmaniax Digest Volume 3 Number 200 Send posts to the list to fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu Send adminstrative commands to majordomo@nsmx.rutgers.edu Send comments, etc to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Today's Topics: ------- ------- various musings Re: astrology (no RH content) (fwd) Michie-poo??!!?? backward guitar wait...a quick impression... Live Acoustic Robyn track Re: astrology (tiny RH cont Re: wait...a quick impression... Re: cheap guitar musings Re: guitar for beginner remote viewers and others CRD: Meat/City of Shame/Dancing on Your Thumb/It Was the Night/Grooving on an Inner Plane Luv on ya baby.....*slurrrrrrp* CRD: Autumn Is Your Last Chance Re: cheap guitar musings The Full Re: The Full and Astrological Symbols astrology! Astrobabble, greetings, & sorry Re: remote viewers and others (no robyn content) Re: Luv on ya baby.....*slurrrrrrp* Re: astrology (some RH content) Beatles/Astrology/Devil's Coachman Re: Astrobabble, greetings, && sorry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 09:11:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Frankel Subject: various musings Didn't we do the worst songs thread and poll not very long ago? Maybe someone kept the results so we don't have to go through it all again...On that note: Top 5 Amphibians: 1. Red eft (the juvenile form of the green spotted newt). 2. Surinam toad (the one that carries it's eggs on it's back) 3. Blind cave salamander 4. Chinese giant salamander 5. Poison arrow tree frogs I would agree that Rain was probably the Beatles first use of backwards guitar. What was that Dominoes song that was mentioned? Another stunning example was the Byrds' Mind Gardens from Younger than Yesterday, which also had David Crosby doing Middle Easternish vocal stylings (circa 1967). On a final note, could any of the guitarists on the list recommend a decent acoustic guitar for the novice, hopefully for under $200? Thanks, Ken ------------------------------ From: treefrog@netcom.com (Edward of Sim) Subject: Re: astrology (no RH content) (fwd) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 08:36:45 -0800 (PST) mikeb@usa1.com (Mike Breen) had this to say: > > One thing I've noticed is the crazy stuff that goes on when there's a full > moon out. Me and a couple of friends came up with the theory that there's > got to be a corrilation between tides and behavior. The moon yanks on the > Earth, and not just the oceans. Scientists have measured land tides as > well, but ocean tides are the only ones noticeable by the human eye. > Anyway our theory deals with the energy present in the human brain and > gravitation. The gravitation from the moon, while yanking the heck outta > the oceans and land, is also playing havoc with the energy in the brain. > This causes some wierdness, which people (rightfully so) attribute to a > full moon. Then people begin feeding into it, making the end result > crazier than the cause, creating a vicious circle, which causes people to > drive like idiots, be arguementative, and generally wierd, all blaming it > on the full moon. Of course, the full moon has no more gravitational pull on the Earth (or its oceans, or people's "brain energies") than does the half moon, quarter moon, or new moon. Still, int'resting theory. peace Edward -- Edward of Sim treefrog@netcom.com "The claw. It moves." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 95 11:08:34 CST From: Bram Tchaikovsky Subject: Michie-poo??!!?? Well, I guess all heroes have feet of clay after all. Michie-poo? I hope he was joking :). As for acoustic guitars- well, I seem to have ended up a spokesmen for the people at Bently :), as I am the proud owner of a Series 10 (electric, for those of you not up on your Bently numbers :)) and frequently practice on a classical model which is not technically owned by me (so I can't check the model #). The acoustic is excellent for a beginner especially; it rarely goes out of tune and can take a lot of abuse. I bought my electric baby for around $125 and I think the acoustic was somewhere around that price range. Right now I gots a Epiphone model C25 that I love practicing on, which also isn't mine but I can tell you that it did cost its owner under $200 and it's a punchy little instrument which has never given me any worry since it's been under my roof (which is more than I can say for my roommates). None of the aforementioned guitars were purchased new- I think you'll have trouble finding a good guitar new for that price. And another thing.....Walking through the park today I saw a garbage can that had the words "Doing Extraordinary" painted on it in red. I would have stopped to examine it had it not been 4 degrees outside. As it is I can only wonder what the painter meant. It is impossible to describe how strange this looked, especially when placed in an otherwise completely white snow-blanketed landscape. Just seemed like a feg-type moment, I guess :). Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 11:25:14 -0600 From: mbrage@surgery.bsd.uchicago.edu (Michael Brage) Subject: backward guitar >according to legend, the first use of backward guitar was by the Beatles, >when a stoned John Lennon put a tape of the song he'd been working on >(Rain) backwards, and was blown away by the sound of it. Rain became the >first track to use backward masking, with the last verse being repeated >backwards. It was the B side of We can work it out (I think) in late 1965. >And I'd love to hear RH sing it! RH performed "Rain" live a few times. There's a boot 7 inch single that used to circulate with it on it. Sincerely; Michael Brage ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 12:37:48 -0600 (CST) From: JAY LYALL Subject: wait...a quick impression... OK Michael Stipe.... [turn round and muss up hair] [turn back around] "mumble mumble groan whiiiiiinnnne" thank you.... chairs jay %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Jay Lyall "All my friends do the model girl thing hist1a@jetson.uh.edu So I found me one University of Houston Now she wears my nose ring" --Lloyd Cole "Yip Yip Yip Yip Yip Yip" "There's liquor on my breath --Robyn Hitchcock And you on my mind" --Replacements %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 13:51:35 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Ellis Subject: Live Acoustic Robyn track Hi, I just received my copy of the KGSR Volume 3 Broadcasts CD in the mail the other day. It is a 2CD set loaded with live acoustic performances by artists that did "in-studios" at KGSR which is out of Austin, Texas. I had actually ordered it for performances by some other artists but much to my delight, there is a live acoustic rendition of "So You Think You're In Love" just by Robyn. No Egyptians and no Deni. I have heard this song several times live but I must say that this is the BEST version of the song I have ever heard. Other artists on this disc include Wilco, the Jayhawks, Nick Lowe, Graham Parker, Maria McKee, Lyle Lovett, Guy Clark, Townes Van Zandt, and about 30 other performers. I ordered mine from Waterloo Records in Austin. Don't have the phone number in front of me but if anyone is interested, I have it tucked away in one of my files. The best thing about the disc is that it only costs 10.71 (for both CD's) and all profits go to charity. -Steve ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 1995 12:13:53 -0800 From: "Mark Gloster" Subject: Re: astrology (tiny RH cont Reply to: RE>>astrology (tiny RH content) >moon stuff... I was a telephone operator for some number of years. Perhaps the moon is the size of an orange five feet away from your head. But if you had had as many buttermilk daiquoris and anchovy/raisin pizzas as my customers had, after 28 days that tiny sphere seemed to be enough to cause you the same extreme havoc that they seemed to experience. As a telephone office supervisor, statistically our traffic was very difficult to manage around a full moon and we also had more disciplinary problems with our workers. AT&T could show massive proof, but they probably are guarding these secrets. And yes, I'm sure there is some scientific proof. Toward the end of my telephone carrer I had enough seniority to get those days off. >Oh yeah: someone on the list said they could guess signs well. So what >am I? (and no hacking my system's database--that's cheating! The >university I am the one who did that. I only guess when I feel like I'm pretty sure. I don't know you at all, and I don't recognize your quirks. Terry Marks seemed almost too easy to guess, and I just happened to be right. That is the only time I have ever even tried to guess someone with whom I didn't have personal social interaction. I am as skeptical as the next person. I like a great deal of the work of other skeptics. On the other hand, the human vocabulary is incapable of describing some feelings and sensations and, dare I say somewhat fearful of attack, intuitions. There are some things that are very difficult to explain, but exist and have meaning nevertheless. A Robyn Hitchcock lyric is a great example. BTW, I decided that Terry was probably a Virgo, as he was driven to tab the entire Robyn Hitchcock catalog by album instead of by his personal favorites. I would have guessed the same if he had done them alphabetically. This devotion to order probably reminded me of about five of my Virgo friends, who can't understand how I can function in my personal chaos. To finally reiterate my position, as everyone is an individual and makes active choices each day about who they are and want to be. There is no astrological sign that can sum up one's character. There is nothing in astrology that should justify a bias or descrimination. I think that astrology is interesting and fun and because it is neither science nor religion doesn't mean that those who find fascination with it are the antichrist/antielvis/antieinstein. Someday I will compose a message that practices as much word economy as one of my songs. I promise. Smile. -Mark Gloster Mouth at Large ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 16:38:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" Subject: Re: wait...a quick impression... On Mon, 11 Dec 1995, JAY LYALL wrote: > OK Michael Stipe.... > [turn round and muss up hair] > [turn back around] > > "mumble mumble groan whiiiiiinnnne" > > thank you.... That would be the 1985 version, I believe. The 1995 runs like this: [turn round and shave head] [turn back around] [shine huge spotlight on self] "mumble mumble groan whiiiiiinnnne" --Jeff Jeffrey Norman University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee "They tampered in God's domain" Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. e-mail: jenor@csd.uwm.edu --Ed Wood Jr.'s _Bride of the Monster_ ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 1995 15:04:34 -0800 From: "Mark Gloster" Subject: Re: cheap guitar musings Reply to: RE>cheap guitar musings > On a final note, could any of the guitarists on the > list recommend a decent acoustic guitar for the novice, > hopefully for under $200? I got my dear ol' dad an Alvarez Yiari for under $200, I think. It was new. I recommend buying a used-but-not-too-used Washburn or Takamine over that, however (frets are better, tone is better). I don't like Yamahas much, but that's a personal thing. Bring a guitarist with you- hopefully one who is quite used to playing _acoustic_ guitar. Remember, you'll play it more if it sounds good. Don't buy it if it sounds like it came out of the hind end of a large mammal with bad manners even if it's cheap, but then you for sure wouldn't want to touch it either. Thanks to Terry M., James D., and many others, you have quite an available source of songs to get started on. Hitchcock songs sound great on a good guitar, even if played by a hooved animal (I should know). -Mark Gloster Taylors 'n' Takamines are the only acoustic guitars I currently own. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 20:08:28 -0600 From: gshell@metronet.com (Greg Shell) Subject: Re: guitar for beginner > On a final note, could any of the guitarists on the > list recommend a decent acoustic guitar for the novice, > hopefully for under $200? > > Thanks, > > Ken Ken or anyone else thinkig about purchasing a guitar, For $200 dollars you can find a guitar made by Gibson, Fender, Hohner, Alvarez and a number of other makers that plays very well. First, if you are not familiar with playing the guitar be sure and have someone who is familiar with the instrument look at it before you make the purchase. Second, DO NOT take the advice of a sales person. Next, the playability of guitars, like their prices, is extremely wide reaching. An expensive guitar can play like shit, no matter how much work is done on it after the purchase and inexpensive guitars can play very well just as they lay. The first guitar I ever owned was a Hohner Acoustic. It is about 13yrs old, and still plays very well. I've seen quite a few of these guitars in pawn shops lately, but do not believe these guitars as still being made. Look in pawn shops, the newspaper and bulletin boards, and make sure an experienced player inspects the instrument before the purchase. Regards, Gregory S. Shell Subversive Specialist System Analyst ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:21:23 +0100 From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: remote viewers and others Date: Fri, 8 Dec 1995 17:45:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" To: Have we got any of those sticky things left? Subject: Airscape etc. >Isn't James Randi still offering $10,000 to anyone who can demonstrate, >conclusively, any paranormal abilities in indisputible fashion? he is. His guidelines for "undisputable proof" are pretty strict though. Tobacco companies still don't accept that there is "undisputable proof" that smoking causes cancer either. I have known various people involved in psychic research over the years (and participated in several experiments into the subject). One of my former lecturers was a leading skeptic who on several occasions achieved results that were surprising and interesting, but which suffered from the scientifically necessary stipulation of replicability. And indeed if paranormal ability is to be judged from such a viewpoint the fair enough, it doesn't cut the mustard. I get the feeling that he was hoping to one day be "proved wrong" and to find something truly undisputable. But does lack of repeatability mean that something doesn't exist? The Beatles wrote and recorded the songs "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" and "You know my Name, look up the Number" withing a couple of months of each other. Does the lousiness of the second of these songs shows that their songwriting and musical abilities didn't exist? Well, according to the scientific method, it would have cast serious doubts on it. It could have been pure chance that LITSWD was a success. Or some combination of factors unconnected with the Beatles. Furthermore, YKMN was not the only lousy song the Beatles wrote. So according to scientific principles their abilities were not undisputably proven. >One thing I've noticed is the crazy stuff that goes on when there's a full >moon out. this is one of the things that James Randi and others have tried to debunk - despite the fact that there IS quite a bit of evidence showing that things like crime and suicide rates fluctuate on a monthly cycle. >On polls: let's be more creative. I mean, songs, records, etc.--blah blah >blah. Howsabout "favorite amphibians," or "favorite non-human objects," or >"favorite squishy things," or "favorite things whose names begin with the >letter 'z' found beneath rocks"? zwieback, zloty, zizith, zecchino, zoysia, zorille, zoetrope, zucchetto, zymurgy (make mine a lager), and of course, Zen :) James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. The folks at the department would be real embarrassed if you thought the message above reflected their thoughts. It don't. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Dec 1995 23:20:09 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: CRD: Meat/City of Shame/Dancing on Your Thumb/It Was the Night/Grooving on an Inner Plane Sort of sat down to listen to BSDR, and.... Let me know if any of this is wrong, ok? @SONG: MEAT E is played as [listen for rhythm] a sort of switch between E and A. or as just a plain E, if you're into simplifying things. E It don't feel much like a home without a dog It don't feel much like a pool without a frog A E It don't feel much like a world without a girl A B It don't feel much like a girl without a human being It don't feel much like a fish without a pond It don't feel much like a fence with no beyond It don't feel much like a church without a god inside It don't feel much like a bank without a lot of money B E Oh come on baby (doo-doo-doot) give me your meat It don't feel much like a foot without a shoe It don't feel much like a me without a you It don't feel much like a train without a buffet car It don't feel much like a bed when there's nobody on it @SONG: CITY OF SHAME E D It was in the city of shame E D That I found I wasn't to blame A(5) B(7) I was looking for a weird thing or two A(5) B(7) I discovered that it had to be you It was in the city of fear That I shouted 'Is there nobody here?' Though the echo had the name on a ring Still the echo wasn't called anything Dancing On God's Thumb (3:40) ---------------------- Intro: [Soft Boys version] e:-0----0-1-2-3----0-1-2-7-5-??-3-0- [the ?? is either a 5 or a 3. Kimberly plays it very fast and very distorted, so I can't properly tell. If you can, let me know] B(7) A(5) I don't mind walking through the wind and the rain I don't mind waiting where they cancel the train But when I don't have love I stand and complain E D I hate everything that I see I don't mind waiting 'til the end of the world 'Cause in the Universe a womb I am curled But Armageddon when the flag is unfurled You know the first to fall out will be me B(7) A(5) G(3) B(7) We are all dancing on God's thumb We are all dancing on God's thumb This is the BSDR version. Could one of you tell me if it checks out with the GD (either one) version It Was The Night (4:39) ---------------- G It was the night Em C Cold English night G It was the day Em C Warm English day D It was the moon Shining down G On the water So white G It was the moon D Shining down C On the water It was the house Old English house Blind as the night She's dressed in white She was so warm Good Lord How I miss her Right now Just like the moon Shining down On the water Shine Shine Unearthly light It was the night Cold English night It was the air Azure and red It was a girl With her face In the shadows So dark Just like the moon Shining down On the water Just like the moon Shining down On the water D It was the moon Shining down C G On the water I only got a portion of this one Grooving on an inner plane -------------------------- Verse: Probably E Bass: A:-------------0-0-0-0--------- E:-0-0-0-0-0-3---------3-2----- E A Grooving on an inner plane grooving grooving back again Grooving on an inner plane grooving grooving back again ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 00:33:01 EST From: Daniel Ginsberg Subject: Luv on ya baby.....*slurrrrrrp* Well geez.... Lemme play devil's advocate for a song that I kinda like and which I suspect is being written off too quickly by serious fegs. _Wafflehead_ has been the subject of outright dislike (if ya can believe the polls) and offhand slander (folx taking it to be a novelty tune). This frankly puzzles me. Lemme propose two reasons for giving the song a second listen and a suggestion about why this one may be underaprreciated.... First off the song is a marvel in terms of vocal composition and performance. Listen to the backing track closely: Them's by and large sounds produced by the human body and human voice. The layered harmonies (used as more of a rhythmic device than anything, though the line is wonderfully blurred here) just rock, and frankly if Bobby McFerrin pulled 60 people from the audience and taught them to "Mmmmm Mmmm" on a certain pitch and rhythm and perfomred _Wafflehed_ on stage folx would be calling it ..well..art. But even for the "art? gimme somethign i can whistle" folx I think there is indeed a hummable little thing going down here. Either way, this is no throwaway piece. Secondly the lyrics seem to right in the heart of unca bobby's thing. I mean who else celebrates as often or as well those (perhaps wine aided) occasions when things get silly, hydraulic, and uncontained? <---pssst...thems code werds fer sex, but sex of a certain playful and unihibited kind. :) Now it would be flase to say that he sings about this all the time, but, this IS standard thematic material fer the guy. Which leaves me confused. Why do people react so strongly against the song? The only thing i can think of is that nothing else on the album sets it up. It would be like listening to _Devils Coachman_ after listening to Eye. I do it and can enjoy it, but there is a real shifting of gears going on. And if I am in love wiht _Eye_ that day i frankly dnt want to hear _Devils Coachman_. Then again if I am thrashing around to GLTHO (also undeservedly dissed methinks: those versions of Brenda Iron Sledge and Acid Bird I take to be definitive) I want no part of Eye. So start with a clean palate, a goofy mood, and an ear tuned to what is going on musically in the song....and ya might still hate it; but I am used to being confused. dan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 02:28:19 -0600 From: jh3@ns.cencom.net (JH3) Subject: CRD: Autumn Is Your Last Chance One thing I wanted to point out to Ken (?), the guy who was looking for an acoustic guitar, is that there are basically two types: guitars with solid wood tops and guitars with composite or veneer tops, "tops" referring to the large flat surface of the guitar body and not the brown fluid that came out of Franshaw's head (was that his name? I've forgotten it again)... Solid top guitars are more expensive because they're harder to produce; they age better and develop a more distinctive sound over time, one reason why antique guitars are so highly prized. Composite-top guitars tend to retain the same sound over time, but it's more... tinny. You know, smaller-sounding. And to think, I don't even work in a music store. -------------------------- AUTUMN IS YOUR LAST CHANCE Not as hard as it looks, not that it necessarily looks hard. Mostly this is picked in an up-down pattern, like so, with occasional variations: -----0-------0-------0-------3----- ----4-4-----3-3-----2-2-----1-1---- ---4---4---4---4---2---2---0---0--- --2-----2-2-----2-2-----2-2-----2-- -----------------0-------0--------- -0-------0------------------------- Alternately, one might express it this way: E5(add D#): 0X2440 E5(add D): 0X2430 (bass plays D) A: X02220 (bass plays C#) Am7: X02013 (bass plays C) Later: E: 022100 G#m: 466444 (Please try to excuse all the ellipses...) ------------------------------------------ E5(+D#) E5(+D) A Am7 I walk...through the heather... E5(+D#) E5(+D) A Am7 ........Underneath the sky... E5(+D#) E5(+D) A Am7 The leaves...have never looked as good...as E5(+D#) E5(+D) A Am7 Now.......They're going to die... Am7 E G#m G#m A Am7 But I....know...why... E5(+D#) E5(+D) A Am7 I smile...in the heather... E5(+D#) E5(+D) A Am7 ........Where we used to stroll... E5(+D#) E5(+D) A Am7 The dew...on the cobwebs... E5(+D#) E5(+D) A Am7 ........Shines like gold... Am7 E G#m But I...don't...care...if it A: 577655 F#: 244322 (actually: hammer-on from F#m) shines......all year (here there's a D bit that charts out to look something like this): -----2-----4-----2-----0------- ---------3-----------3-----3--- ---2---2-------2---2----------- -0-----------0----------------- ------------------------------- ------------------------------- As for the next part, it's picked the same way in the IODOT version, but strummed in most live versions I've heard. The B is just X24442, at least at first. All others as shown above... A E B F# Cause you're not there and A E B F# I don't care and A E B You're not there The live versions I've heard pretty much end there, but at the end of the IODOT version the guitar picks variations on B for a while as the bass alternates between B and E. At the end there's an overdubbed part that does a nice scale thing, sorta like this: -----2-----0----------------:-----2-----0------------------- -----------------4-----2--0-:-----------------4-----2-0----- ---4-----4-----4-----4----4-:-------------------------4---4- -2-----2-----2-----2--------:---4-----4-----4-----4-----4--- ----------------------------:-2-----2-----2-----2----------- ----------------------------:------------------------------- And that's it, really. Have lots of fern! --John H. "JH3" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 08:35:45 -0500 From: mikeb@usa1.com (Mike Breen) Subject: Re: cheap guitar musings >> On a final note, could any of the guitarists on the >> list recommend a decent acoustic guitar for the novice, >> hopefully for under $200? >I don't like Yamahas much, but that's a personal thing. OTHO, I've got a Yamaha 12-string acoustic that I absolutly love. My 6-string is an Ibanez. Both have nice tone and tight action. ---Mike (THIS SPACE UNDER CONSTRUCTION) Check out the Other Days home page at http://www1.usa1.com/~mikeb/odays.html mikeb@usa1.com ------------------------------ From: LORDK@FLP.LIB.PA.US Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 9:46:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: The Full moon Inside About full moons--anyone who works with the public knows about that. Here at the library, its when we have incidents which are usually post-mortemed as "Either he went off his medication, or its a full- moon." And this by people who wouldnt touch astrology with a ten foot pole. And ask any midwife or obstatrician--a whole lot more babys are born then. The moon dosnt just move the tides, but also the water within us, and we are mostly water. So if the moons conected with water, and therefore the water in our bodies, whose to say Mercury isnt tied in with some other element which is also within us (as above so below blah, blah, blah) and so on thru the other planets? Might there not be forces in the universe, other than gravity, which we dont know about yet? And also elements, or might I suggest, hormones and neurotransmitters? We love to think that we know everything, that our tiny prescious world view is actually capable of grasping , analyzing, and controlling the reality which created it. Yeah, right. Sounds to me more like a toddlers onipotent, omniscent fantasies. It might make us feel less naked, helpless and alone--but its pure illusion. We dont know squat; we never have. Socrates was the first to point this out, and not much has changed in the interveaning 2,500 years. Robyn content? Actually quite alot. What world is it Robyn sings about? The world where we know and controll everything, or a world which is greater than our ability to process it? Where only metaphors and symbols can hope to have at least 1/2 a clue. It takes courage to accept, live, and communicate in the dark--One of the reasons I have enormous respect for Robyn. He knows that what usually is most imortant is invisable, some wierd shape we can only guess at, and that poorly. Well, my Robyn that is. I dont know about your Robyn. Which reminds me, when I did my pendatic little posturing about the horse symbol in balloon man. I forgot to include the basic meaning of horse in most esoteric systems--inspiration, Reason beyond logic, true understanding, mad wisdom. Kay the overly-serious Capricorn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:43:09 -0500 (EST) From: Eve cc: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: The Full and Astrological Symbols Speaking of astrological references/symbols, I've always loved the line 'Everything you say you won't is what you will eventually/Honesty is money in the cemetary/If he treat you horribly he's probably a Scorpio/He's a long kabab through your ovaries/-the same goes out, the same goes in" This, coming from a Capricorn who according to most astrological experts, are suppsed to get along wonderfully with Scorpios, be compatible and all that. ;) Isn't always the case, as I've discovered from certain past relationships. No personal offense meant to Scorpios in this message! Eve eemsho77@ursa.Calvin.EDU ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * _Just and Unjust_, Lord Bowen * * * * "The rain it raineth on the just * * And also on the unjust fella; * * But chiefly on the just because * * The unjust steals the just's umbrella." * ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 10:33:27 CST From: Bram Tchaikovsky Subject: astrology! You said it quite eloquently Kay, I agreed with everything, especially the last part. I think we have the same Robyn :). I'm not going to go off about this, but since I did bring up astrology in the first place, I just wanted to say something about it. I myself use it every day, believe it or not. It's a tool for understanding the human psyche, NOT a fortunetelling device, as is commonly believed. The more I study, the more there is to find. I have no desire to change the world view of the skeptics here or anywhere else, just had to get my two cents in (guess my sun sign, anyone? :)). That being said- (sob) I will be gone for two and a half weeks starting today. I know you will all miss me profusely. Don't all keen a funeral dirge at once! Besides, perhaps I can jack in at some hip cyber cafe. Two addictions at once, three if they let me smoke! I just know something really fascinating will happen and I'll have to catch up with it when I read backmail, it's always like that :). See you on the flipside, Susan ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 14:15:40 EST Subject: Astrobabble, greetings, & sorry Odds & ends first: ------- RE: Somebody had to do this, don't you think? Brett Cooper wrote: > Fellow Egyptians, > > My name is Brett Cooper. I have just signed up for the mail service of > Fegmaniax. Hi yourself, Brett. Welcome to the fold. ------- RE: Terry and backwards stuff: Sorry for second guessing you about the backwards stuff in ... damn it, now I can't even remember the song you mentioned in the first place. Nurse, #9 foot extractor, please. ------- Astrobabble: Ok, brace yourselves. I have been watching this thread for a while, and was reluctant to encourage whatever further growth my contribution may have given it, but this one begged a response. LORDK@FLP.LIB.PA.US (Kay) wrote: > Subject: The Full moon Inside > > About full moons--anyone who works with the public knows about that. > > Here at the library, its when we have incidents which are usually > post-mortemed as "Either he went off his medication, or its a full- > moon." And this by people who wouldnt touch astrology with a ten > foot pole. And ask any midwife or obstatrician--a whole lot more > babys are born then. The moon dosnt just move the tides, but also > the water within us, and we are mostly water. > My wife's a nurse, and she swears there's a connection between lunar phases and certain types of behaviours. While I don't dismiss this outright, I have not seen the figures, either, and allegory does not make good science. Still it may be so. There's a pretty long stretch between acknowledging this phenomenon and accepting the complex and unproveable system of belief known as astrology. > So if the moons conected with water, and therefore the water in > our bodies, whose to say Mercury isnt tied in with some other > element which is also within us (as above so below blah, blah, blah) > and so on thru the other planets? Might there not be forces in the > universe, other than gravity, which we dont know about yet? > And also elements, or might I suggest, hormones and neurotransmitters? > The moon is not attractive to water through some mystical capacity, but through gravity. So Mars' effect is not on oxytocin or chicken soup, but on everything, as is the moon's. > We love to think that we know everything, that our tiny prescious > world view is actually capable of grasping , analyzing, and controlling > the reality which created it. Yeah, right. Sounds to me more like > a toddlers onipotent, omniscent fantasies. It might make us feel > less naked, helpless and alone--but its pure illusion. > Now this _bugs_ me. Fact is, astrology is and traditionally has been used principally as a fortune telling device. It, like religion, have been used to inflate humanity's sense of self importance and self control. We're too important to really DIE, we just change into something else and go to a wonderful place forever. And we know what'll happen to you while you're here, so don't worry. Say the right prayers and you can even control things a bit. $5 please. Shanti. Science is full of puzzles and holes. Science destroys itself. Science gives us a universe that probably either expands to virtual nothingness or collapses into crushing oblivion. Does that make you feel less naked, helpless and alone ? > We dont know squat; we never have. Socrates was the first to point this > out, and not much has changed in the interveaning 2,500 years. > Speak for youself. _I_ know squat! ;-) ... CLIP ... > Kay the overly-serious Capricorn No hard feelings Kay, I hope, but BOY do I disagree on this issue. Yet somehow we both like RH's music. I don't think I even care with which one us he would be more likely to agree. PS: Guess my sign. I'll bet that one in 12 get it right. Ross Overbury Montreal, Quebec, Canada email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:22:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Moppy Tome Subject: Re: remote viewers and others (no robyn content) Sorry for the length... On Tue, 12 Dec 1995, James Dignan wrote: > One of my former lecturers was a leading skeptic who on > several occasions achieved results that were surprising and interesting, > but which suffered from the scientifically necessary stipulation of > replicability. If something is not repeatable, then either a) there was an unseen bias in the experiment or b) it was a chance fluctuation. If I do enough coin-tossing experiments, I'm going to get lucky and call a hundred consecutive heads sometime. But it's neither repeatable nor interesting. [Beatles analogy] > unconnected with the Beatles. Furthermore, YKMN was not the only lousy song > the Beatles wrote. So according to scientific principles their abilities > were not undisputably proven. Only if you take "abilities" to mean "everything they write is brilliant". I personally take musical ability to mean "can write a good song", NOT "can write a good song *at will*". We have lots of proof that the Beatles could write good songs. Similarly, if I wanted to prove to you that coins sometimes come up heads, NOT that coins come up heads *when I want them to*, then at most ten or twelve trials ought to convince you. Or, if you prefer, look at it this way: almost nobody can write a good song, if you pick a random member of the world populace. Checking a song for "good quality" is like flipping a coin which has a constant, oh, I dunno, one one-millionth chance of landing heads. If it lands heads even occasionally, as it did during the Beatles' career, then the laws of probability are bent and you must suspect there's something particular about these people you've picked at random. Aaron ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 15:22:53 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Cynthia Waits Subject: Re: Luv on ya baby.....*slurrrrrrp* cc: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu One of my friends was really creeped out by Wafflehead because it created an image in her head of some weird, perverted guy...I mentioned this to RobynH a few years back and he was dismayed and said that it was "a love song." I've enjoyed Wafflehead on a whole new level since that conversation. -Jennifer On Tue, 12 Dec 1995, Daniel Ginsberg wrote: > Lemme play devil's advocate for a song that I kinda like and which I > suspect is being written off too quickly by serious fegs. _Wafflehead_ > has been the subject of outright dislike (if ya can believe the polls) > and offhand slander (folx taking it to be a novelty tune). This frankly > puzzles me. Lemme propose two reasons for giving the song a second > listen and a suggestion about why this one may be underaprreciated.... > > > Secondly the lyrics seem to right in the heart of unca bobby's thing. I > mean who else celebrates as often or as well those (perhaps wine aided) > occasions when things get silly, hydraulic, and uncontained? > <---pssst...thems code werds fer sex, but sex of a certain playful and > unihibited kind. :) Now it would be flase to say that he sings about > this all the time, but, this IS standard thematic material fer the guy. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ POLICE BLOTTER--better than campus blotter? you decide "A 'professionally painted' sign was reportedly stolen from the yard of a South College Drive resident Monday. According to the police report, the sign read 'Jesus is the reason for the season.'" "A Sixth Street man reportedly received harassing phone calls Monday from a man saying 'I caught up with Mario Lopez, he was a little more difficult than I thought. I'm coming to see you soon.'" "A 'white snowman' was reportedly stolen from the yard of a Revere Avenue man." (BG News, Dec. 6, 1995) ------------------------------ From: jturner@rpms.ac.uk (Jonathan Turner) Subject: Re: astrology (some RH content) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 95 13:26:35 GMT Edward of Sim wrote: > > Of course, the full moon has no more gravitational pull on the Earth (or > its oceans, or people's "brain energies") than does the half moon, quarter > moon, or new moon. Still, int'resting theory. > But at full or new, it's acting in parallel with (or diametrically opposed to) the sun, whereas at the fractions in between it's pulling in directions of varying degrees of perpendicularity to the pull of the sun. But that doesn't explain why the full moon freakouts don't also occur at new moon. Maybe they do, and we just can't see them. Robyn on "sometime between 8.50 and 10.00 pm tonight" at the Splash! club thing. Jonathan "It is cheese" (Max Boyce, The Ballad of Morgan The Moon) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:40:39 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Beatles/Astrology/Devil's Coachman 1) I don't think that the beatles actually wrote You Know My Name, they just covered it.... 2) The moon has a gravitational effect on water. I have a gravitational effect on mellotrons. If you put one of them near me, it starts shaking and eventually is drawn slowly towards me. It gets annoying after a while ;) Seriously, no reason why something has some sort of strange connection with anything else, just because one of the things happens to be a planet 3) Is there anyone here who has an explanation for The Devil's Coachman (not just about slicing...) or anyone who can write alternate lyrics to it? Most of his songs you can add a verse if you'd really like to. This and Wax Doll are giving me trouble, though [I want another verse so I can fit in both the "Devil in my heart" and "Devil in her bed" endings...] Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 18:01:26 -0500 From: mikeb@usa1.com (Mike Breen) Subject: Re: Astrobabble, greetings, && sorry >if the moons conected with water, and therefore the water in > our bodies, whose to say Mercury isnt tied in with some other > element which is also within us The only problem with that theory is that the tides that the moon cause are not _only_ water tides, but (I believe I stated this earlier) land tides, which are measurable scientific phenomena, but which are undetectable by the naked eye (unlike water tides). ---Mike (THIS SPACE UNDER CONSTRUCTION) Check out the Other Days home page at http://www1.usa1.com/~mikeb/odays.html mikeb@usa1.com [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. 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