Fegmaniax Digest <==----------==> (Send posts to the list to fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu) (Send adminstrative commands to majordomo@nsmx.rutgers.edu) (Send comments, etc to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu) <==----------==> Volume 3 Number 181 Today's Topics: ------- ------ Re: Spam and legirons Country Roots? The Soft Boys & Country bananas with a 'y' Crocodile Club gig date? Sincere management well acquainted with live shows look alive In the Leatherhead Mood The CJ Act Glass Flesh Requests a weird connection Songs and who done 'em Re: Songs and who done 'em Re: the last i have to say on the subject Re: robyn with a y Re: Crocodile Club gig date? Re: Songs and who done 'em Re: In the Leatherhead Mood "Invisible History" ? watch out florida (completely pointless message) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 22:44:17 +0000 To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu From: Jim Subject: Re: Spam and legirons Daniel Ginsberg wrote: >2. Before anyone does mail-spam retaliation, please keep in mind that >it *is* [possible to hack accounts and/or send mail on other folx name. >Do unless you are pretty sure that the addy in the FROM field is the >addy that was really responsible for the spamming, think twice about >retaliation. Oh god...if only I'd seen this BEFORE retaliating I just got some hate mail saying I'm posting 'are you prepared' many times over to some list or other. We don't even have employers drug tests in the UK. At least not that I know of. Well, you live and learn. Others be warned. Jim Bower ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Nov 95 18:05:50 EST From: Daniel Ginsberg Subject: Country Roots? To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu A few short odd thoughts on his fegness and country music: You can add "Strawberry Mind" to this list as it has strong Louisiannian influences (soft zydeco or hard Cajun..hard ot tell but it is there). Also it is hard for *any* hard core Beatles fan to dodge Country influences. Past the Beatles reverence for early Sun records product (which fed right into both early Rock and 60-70s Grand Ol' Opry) the Beatles also seemed to groove on the Bakersfield sound (eg Buck Owens). Small wonder, then, RH product is occasionally tinged with some twang. There might also bee somw higher-level cross influencing through Richard Thompson (who certainly influenced RH's guitar style and who himslef has dipped into country sounds from time time (eg Tear stained letter is a country rave up). Of course i need not mention Dylan and the Band.... All in all I am surprised that there isnt more of it all things considered. dan ------------------------------ Date: 12 Nov 95 18:37:54 EST From: Positive Vibrations <101356.2516@compuserve.com> To: Fegmaniax Subject: The Soft Boys & Country Sorry to keep butting in to this list, but this is a question I _do_ know the answer to. The first album by the Soft Boys (although they weren't under the SBs name yet) was a pretty atrocious effort, called _Jet Set Flier_. The line up was Robyn Hitchcock, Alex Cooper, Andy Metcalfe, John Barry, Roger Jackson, Kimberley Rew. It was all cover versions (in the early cambridge days, the only original song they ever did was the occasional, embryonic, 'wey wey hep uh hole'. It is mostly bad country covers. For those who really care and don't already know, the track listing is: Ruby, Don't Take Your Love To Town When You're In Love With A Beautiful Woman Grandma's Feather Bed Ghost Riders In The Sky She Believes In Me Jet Set Flier Pretty Woman The Coward Of The County If I Said You Had A Beautiful Body Would You Hold It Against Me? Amanda Pina Colada (Escape) Your Song (yes, Elton John's one) Before you go rushing out looking for it, I must warn you that it is ABSOLUTELY TERRIBLE. If you want Robyn's first appearance on vinyl, it's on 'Greasy Quiff', by the Toby Jug & Washboard Band (a catch-all in-joke name for whoever is playing at Cambridge Folk Club on any given night; the name is still in use and there have been any number of other releases using the TJ&W name, so make sure you get the right one). This album is also very country and folksy tinged. I should think you already know (i assume there's at least someone among you who knows any given thing re robyn), but the tracklisting is: I Often Dream Of Trains (so different as to be unrecognisable, and with a full skiffle (!!!) backing band) Wringing That Thing Snivelling Kid Viola Lee Blues He's In The Jailhouse (with tissue-paper and comb solo!) Your Mama Don't Know (memorable mainly for Robyn playing the spoons) The Grand Entrance Bungie's Blues Puppet On A String (robyn only get through one line before giving up) Evil People Take A Mac Greasy Quiff (How Does He Keep It Stiff) One For George Mean Old World John's Mum Farmer Joe Elastic Landlady (a very accomplished Hendrix pastiche by Kimberley; his first appearance on vinyl also) No, I don't know where you can buy it. To the best of my knowledge Kimberley, Robyn & I have the only three copies left in good condition (only 99 were pressed); the _Record Collecter Price Guide_ currently values it at a minimum L600 ($1000) so I doubt it'll be at your local Sam Goody's. Both albums are generally denied by Robyn if he possibly can - although everyone else grudgingly admits to them. luv y'all Aidan "My life is an elevator; it fucks me up and drags me down" Merritt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 16:27:44 +1300 To: The Glass Hotel From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: bananas with a 'y' Livia mused surreptitiously: >i had always assumed that the y-spelling was just a neutral variant, like >bryan. > >on the other hand, if robin/robyn really is something on the order of >francis/frances, i'm surprised i've never seen it mentioned before Well, the only times I've ever seen the name Robyn with a "y", other than Mr. Hitchcock, it has without exception been attached to a 'feminine female of the opposite type number' (as former NZ cultural icon Fred Dagg would have said). I even went out with a woman called Robyn once. And I've only ever once heard of a woman spelling her name "Robin", and that was actor Robin Wright. Personally, I'd always thought he changed the "i" to a "y" as a deliberate move in the way that musical groups of the 60s did - such as the Byrds. Do I take it from this that Bryan can be used as a woman's name in the US? As for Ceri and Kerry, they are the Welsh and Irish spellings of the same name, except that Kerry can be used for both men and women but AFAIK Ceri is never used in a woman's name (perhaps in the U.S., where people are christened with some downright peculiar names...). Kim is as common a name of men as women, and so is Rowan (Rowan is commonly used for a girl's name, but there is a female form - Rowena) --- I like bananas (the original version) is on one of the Dr. Demento best-of records, from about the 1940s. James ("Clean Steve" is the cousin of Brian Eno's "Blank Frank") Dignan James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * You talk to me as if from a distance * and I reply with impressions chosen from another time, time, time, * from another time (Brian Eno) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 00:32:24 -0500 To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John B. Jones) Subject: Crocodile Club gig date? REcently I traded for a tape of a gig that took place at the Crocodile Club in Seattle WA. It is the small, secret gig that featured a special t-shirt that Robyn had printed up just for the occasion. It is also the gig that featured the Young Fresh Fellows on a few songs. Does anyone know the date of this show? I want to keep my list as accurate as possible, but so far the closest I can get is October of 94. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John B. Jones e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu "A pox upon the media and everything you read, They tell you your opinions and they're very good indeed." -Soft Boys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 00:40:03 -0500 To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John B. Jones) Subject: Sincere management well acquainted with live shows I was just thinking today----at many of Robyn's shows, he says "if you get a good tape of that, you could send it to the management." In fact, he even told ME directly after one of his shows to send a show I had to the managment, and offered a card with the address on it. my guess (with help from last fall's ICE article) is that they want to archive them for possible use in making a CD of "the ultimate live show". Jim Neill (the guy from Rhino who helped out with the reissues) was quoted as saying something like that in that ICE article. So, my point is: How can Sincere Management/Peter Jenners (Jennings) solicit live shows on the one hand, and yet turn around and prosecute people for doing the same thing? Anyone taping a show could turn around and sell copies or have recordable CDs made of it. Hell, just go to alt.music.bootlegs and you'll see all kinds of people trying to turn a profit in the live music scene. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John B. Jones e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu "A pox upon the media and everything you read, They tell you your opinions and they're very good indeed." -Soft Boys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 09:29:16 -0600 (CST) From: JAY LYALL Subject: look alive To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu After the detailed bios that flooded the mail a couple of weeks ago I know there are alot more of you out there who haven't sent me a list yet....so get me something before the end of the month or I'll send Eddie "the Fish" to collect one.... Woj, rather than setting that filter see if you can take the list out of the file that you get when you issue the majordomo "lists" command....he hit several other groups and it looks that he sent that command to all the md servers he could find then spammed.... jay %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Jay Lyall "All my friends do the model girl thing hist1a@jetson.uh.edu So I found me one University of Houston Now she wears my nose ring" --Lloyd Cole "I was born to cheese you." "If absence makes the heart grow fonder --Robyn Hitchcock Then I don't want to see you any more." --Replacements %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:20:37 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin To: The looming mullet and the wily bream Subject: In the Leatherhead Mood Leatherhead, in Surrey, is not so much a city as a prosperous outer London suburb, in an area known as 'the stockbroker belt'. In the Mood was popularised by the Glenn Miller Orchestra as an instrumental, and in the UK it became the theme tune of the Joe Loss Band. I guess that the lyric was added to an existing instrumental sometime in the 40s, but it could be that the words version preceded the instrumental. Can anyone help here? Horns Large Horns is genuine traditional English folk, as performed by (I think) Steeley Span. Horns are the sign of a cuckold, I believe. That mean old lean old in between old half unclean old Duke of Squeeze is totally phony English folk by RH, including a giveaway reference to TOAST. - Mike Godwin "He heard that she was messing round and thought 'It's time I stopped her', so he flew home by aeroplane and by helicopter" (Benny Hill) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 15:22:18 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin To: The looming mullet and the wily bream Subject: The CJ Act PS that Bath html reference requires a capital A in Act: http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bs2ajs/CJ.Act.html will get through to it - Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 12:32:17 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard To: Terry Marks cc: Pretty Girls and Anglepoise lamps Subject: Glass Flesh Requests On Sat, 11 Nov 1995, Terry Mellotron wrote: I'm considering recording for Glass Flesh... Any requests? __ here are some i'd like to hear. all i wanna do is fall in love satellite the rain 52 stations st. petersburg the ghost ship the lizard acid bird wey wey hep a hole you've got chain mary to the bed donna summer digital spaceship winter love the bones in the ground and anything off _jet set flier_ (er, just kidding) remember, anything goes.... make the song your own, if only for a moment. use the upcoming holiday time wisely, so far i've only got one song for volume 3 and they're not even sure they want it to go on. I plan to blackmail my friends into doing some of the above or slaughtering them with my good intentions, so better claim them fast... the good news is, a lot of flesh vets and newcomers have expressed interest in the next edition... join us! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 95 11:47:43 CST From: Bram Tchaikovsky To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: a weird connection Yes, In The Mood was the most famous tune by the wretchedly saccharine Glenn Miller Orchestra. The lyrics were added later as far as I know. I didn't know that it was the theme song of the Joe Loss Orchestra, which brings me to something else. At least a few of you out there are probably also Elvis Costello fans. Do you know who sang with the Joe Loss Orchestra? ELVIS COSTELLO'S FATHER!!!!!!!! This explains how young Elvis got many records for free :). I love making far-fetched connections. As to horns- yes, they are traditionally the sign of a cuckold. Wronged females, fortunately or not, have no such symbolism associated with their husband's infidelities as far as I know (though if anyone knows differently, most likely they are a member of this list and will be responding shortly :)). Susan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:35:56 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Songs and who done 'em To: Pretty Girls and Anglepoise lamps While we're on the subject.. WHo did Senor Senor, Arms 'Round the Rainbow, or Calvary Cross orignally? While I'm at it...has anyone ever heard of a band called Silly Wizard? I just stumbled upon it, mysteriously, and I'm wondering if anyone knows what kind of music they play (I know, it's not exactly Robyn-intensive, but I've got a feeling that Aidan once sold them a horse or something._ Terry "I once sold a horse to Silly Wizard, have you?" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:42:13 -0500 (EST) From: Dolph L Chaney To: Terry Marks cc: Pretty Girls and Anglepoise lamps Subject: Re: Songs and who done 'em On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, Terry Marks wrote: > WHo did Senor Senor, Arms 'Round the Rainbow, or Calvary Cross orignally? Calvary Cross is a Richard Thompson song, from Richard and Linda's I WANT TO SEE THE BRIGHT LIGHTS TONIGHT. Dolph ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:47:57 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" To: "Us...we wanna be some anglepoise lamps yeh!" Subject: Re: the last i have to say on the subject On 11 Nov 1995, Positive Vibrations wrote: > > c) if anyone _still_ doubts the ability of the British to prosecute people for > ludicrously petty things, bear in mind that people have received jail sentences > of up to two years for the crime of 'being in a group of more than 13 people > listening to music characterised by the emission of repetitive beats'. So I suppose the London Symphony Orchestra's going to be hauled in for performing Ravel's _Bolero_ right? Not bloody likely: the point of that law is rather obviously limited to *particular* groups of people listening to *specific* musics in *certain* situations (i.e., raves). Even though the law's not written specifically against them (is that illegal in Britain? It is--in theory--in the US), it'll in all likelihood only be enforced against them. The point is--unless some political points are likely to be made by hiring American security goons to harass, say, Terry Marks, it's rather unlikely to happen. Even wannabe police states have budgetary restrictions and must ration their bludgeonings.... So, umm, lessee...I *think* Robyn sang about something kinda like this somewhere...perhaps on the b**tl*g recording from the same show in which he sang "I Don't Have a Fucking Clue".... --Jeff "As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave.... Jeffrey Norman That must mean, he pursued the thought, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee that as soon as I fall asleep, Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. I'll start shaving!" e-mail: jenor@csd.uwm.edu --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 17:50:56 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" To: Anna Wilson Cc: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: robyn with a y On Sat, 11 Nov 1995, Anna Wilson wrote: > > (long-held-back interjection from the side) why do I think of Gary > Thing (Newman?) and the Tubeway Army every time I listen to Gotta > Let This (quietly) Hen Out? It's like I almost know the song it's > the same as, but not quite? I'll second that (you mean "Listening to the Higsons," right/)--I think it's the way his voice sounds, and the "whoa-oh-oh"s. But I can't think of which Gary Numan song it might specifically be like--all my old Numan tapes are hiding under dust in the attic I believe. --Jeff Jeffrey Norman "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee is fast and bulbous. Got me?" Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. e-mail: jenor@csd.uwm.edu --Captain Beefheart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:02:51 -0500 From: deluxe transitive vampire To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Crocodile Club gig date? jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John B. Jones) sez: >Does anyone know the date of this show? just checked the back of my shirt and it says october fourth. that seems about right since the viva sea-tac! gig was the tuesday after the seattle show in the fall of 1994...which i think was on september 31st, which, i believe, was a friday. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:08:43 -0500 From: deluxe transitive vampire To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Songs and who done 'em Terry Marks sez: >While I'm at it...has anyone ever heard of a band called Silly Wizard? traditional and contemporary scottish folk music. probably one of the best scottish folk bands ever. woj ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 19:33:34 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Aileen Copeland Subject: Re: In the Leatherhead Mood To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu On Mon, 13 Nov 1995, M R Godwin wrote: > In the Mood was popularised by the Glenn Miller Orchestra as an > instrumental, and in the UK it became the theme tune of the Joe Loss > Band. I guess that the lyric was added to an existing instrumental > sometime in the 40s, but it could be that the words version preceded the > instrumental. Can anyone help here? I suspect it's been done several times. I know Bette Midler recorded a version of "In the Mood" on her eponymous second album in the mid-seventies, with lyrics by her and Barry Manilow. They're not identical to those on the _Portland Arms_ track but it sounds as though there's some overlap (between the sound quality on _Arms_ on the one hand and ninety-two tracks of Midler on the other they're both hard to make out.) Has anyone transcribed Hitchcock's version? Tracy "Our Lady of Toast" Copeland ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 20:43:48 -0500 (EST) From: Stephen C Ellis To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: "Invisible History" ? Could somebody please post any details about "Invisible History". Is this the Soft Boys or Robin? Thanks, -Steve > Anyways, it's not like there are no Robyn CD boots out there on the > market- there's "Stand Back Dennis", "Invisible History", and "Rout of the > Clones". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Nov 1995 15:21:18 +0800 To: The Glass Hotel From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: watch out florida (completely pointless message) From: Terry Marks >The British Police: I'm over 1000 miles out of their jurisdiction. To be a picky pedantic bastard, you're only about 600 miles from the Cayman Islands, which are still a colony and therefore within British police jurisdiction. But no, I don't think they'd be too bothered. They'd probably just contact interpol ;) James [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. Archives can *not* be found at ftp://fegmania.wustl.edu/fegmaniax/archives/ The Archives are temporarily unavailable. 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