Fegmaniax Digest <==----------==> (Send posts to the list to fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu) (Send adminstrative commands to majordomo@nsmx.rutgers.edu) (Send comments, etc to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu) <==----------==> Volume 3 Number 179 Today's Topics: ------- ------ Lynda Ryan, et.al. Re: Vanilla ice cream body parts Re: CD Bootlegs, piracy, etc... bouncy mail, fish ice cream, and popscile toes Hands linda ryan spam filter? Re: Hands aidan lays down the law Yet another Flavour of Night interpretation new boots/panties in a bunch pv5 online Lightbulb Heads What "Clean Steve" means to me pretty obsure question... Re: spam filter? CRD: Woman In You things Clean Steve's musical taste Lightbulb Heads Re: The pirate CD being proposed Re: things (falklands/malvinas) Re: Lightbulb Heads Massive confusion Re: What "Clean Steve" means to me Re: linda ryan Copyrights/Eye NetSurfer Ghost Re: NetSurfer Ghost Requests Are You Preapred? Re: Are You Preapred? Copyrights/Eye Re: Copyrights/Eye Requests Are You Preapred? Re: Are You Preapred? Copyrights/Eye Re: Copyrights/Eye Re: Are You Preapred? ------------------------------ Subject: Lynda Ryan, et.al. To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu (two crabs) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 22:02:34 -0500 (EST) From: "Anna Rooney" Jacob Lurch, I have been told, was an Englishman who was hanged for drinking tea. Verification, anyone? Mr. Moose & Dangles????? I think, perhaps our British friends/fan have an advantage on many references, be there any. I'm a typical American who finds names like Sandra, Lotty, Vera and polysyllabic proper nouns unique in among themselves (even Ralph's wrench is -ooooh- a spanner). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 20:12:32 -0800 (PST) From: Glen Uber To: Bram Tchaikovsky Cc: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Vanilla ice cream body parts On Thu, 9 Nov 1995, Bram Tchaikovsky wrote: > And another thing- who is Linda Ryan? The obvious conclusion is that she's a > porn star of sorts, but real or fictional? Linda Ryan, if memory serves correctly, was a music journalist for either an underground or a college newspaper in San Francisco. I believe she is now a Public Relations representative (or some such thing) for the Gavin people. She was actually in the audience at an in-store concert I attended in San Francisco on April 29, 1992. If anyone knows differently, please let me know. "sticky wicket isn't cricket" Glen E. Uber "If sometimes you can't hear me, University of Washington it's because sometimes I speak in Department of Linguistics parentheses" Email: hirsute@u.washington.edu --Steven Wright Voice Mail: 206.547.8936 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Nov 1995 22:51:30 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" To: "Us...we wanna be some anglepoise lamps yeh!" Subject: Re: CD Bootlegs, piracy, etc... On Wed, 8 Nov 1995, covered in sequins, david spencer ramsey the first wrote: > Finally, something I have been thinking about is that if we do > create a CD of the Portland Arms show, or of anything else, we should pay > Robyn- by this I mean along with the cost of making the CD, everybody who > requests a copy should pay, I don't know, $5 or so as a sort of royalty > which will be sent in the form a check directly to Mister Hitchcock. *Excellent* suggestion. Even though I imagine, if it were me, that I'd send the checks back (which might actually be a bit of a headache), I'd certainly appreciate the gesture. --Jeff Jeffrey Norman "America takes drugs University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee in psychic defense" Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. e-mail: jenor@csd.uwm.edu --Iggy Pop In my CD changer: Tricky _Maxinquaye_ Air Miami _Me. Me. Me._ _Le Mystere des Voix Bulgares vol 1_ The Minus 5 _Old Liquidator_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 00:41:03 EST From: Daniel Ginsberg Subject: bouncy mail, fish ice cream, and popscile toes To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu not that i can spell... Fer the record, MCInet ahs been doing some gawdaweful re-routing for the last 10 days or so and you just shouldn't be surprised if mail bounces or telnet connections fail. I dunno *WAHT* they are up to, but there is nothing anyone can do when MCINet starts pulling plugs. I must also register my disappointment: vanilla icecream? Oh, c'mon! Prolly more like Prawn Praline, but all that matters is the sweet, soft, melting touch part. If ya got that well boom. Then again Robyn Could be nodding to that fine sugar-jazz clasic popsicle toes in which case there is a whole lotta licking going on in the flavor of the night. but first, are you experienced? dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 10:58:25 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin To: The looming mullet and the wily bream Subject: Hands There is a Victorian song with the refrain "Your tiny hand is frozen, let me warm it into life". 'Ice-cream' could just be a synonym for 'frozen'. - Mike Godwin PS UK copyright law is so stringent it is ridiculous. A lawyer commenting on the proposed release of police interviews with an (alleged) murderer was arguing the other day that the police questions are copyright to the police and the murderer's answers are copyright to the murderer! PPS Mark Ellen was on TV this morning, credited as 'Mark Ellen of Mojo and Q magazines' - didn't someone ask who he is? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 07:30:04 -0500 From: deluxe transitive vampire To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: linda ryan Glen Uber sez: >Linda Ryan, if memory serves correctly, was a music journalist for either >an underground or a college newspaper in San Francisco. she was also a deejay at kusf. somewhere around here, i have an interview done by her with the egyptians in 1986 prior to a show at the i-beam. if i remember correctly, she was the one who gave the evil one to robyn (now *there's* a faq!). woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 08:30:10 -0500 From: deluxe transitive vampire To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: spam filter? folks, a number of the other lists that i am on have been "spammed" by advertisers, activists and other such ilk. majordomo does have a feature which allows for rudimentary filtering. there are three settings: 1) no filtering (where we currently are at) 2) filter out posts from non-subscribers 3) filter all messages which i then have to approve for them to be posted (i.e., moderation) i'd go ahead and turn on the first level of filtering except that it can be an inconvience for folks who post from multiple addresses (like yours truly for example, but i have noticed others whose from: address does not match their subscription address *exactly*, which is the matching that majordomo uses). so, i'd like to hear any thoughts on this. fortunately, we have not been spammed yet (no rutgers list has, so maybe there's something going on that i don't know about yet), but it's not fun when it happens. please send any comments to me and not the list - i'll summarize the consensus and post about any actions i'll take in a few days. woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 14:00:19 GMT To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu From: jturner@rpms.ac.uk (Jonathan Turner) Subject: Re: Hands At 10:58 AM 10/11/95, M R Godwin post-postscripted: >PPS Mark Ellen was on TV this morning, credited as 'Mark Ellen of Mojo >and Q magazines' - didn't someone ask who he is? Funnily enough, he had a mention in this morning's "Guardian" in an article on "Q" magazine - "Blair even played in a band with Q's founding editor, Mark Ellen, at Cambridge !" (For those of you not familiar with British politics, Tony Blair is the leader of the Labour Party, currently in opposition but looking more likely to win power at the next election than they have done for some years. At least, that's what the Guardian says.) I assume Blair and Ellen must have been at Cambridge sometime during the early 70s. The question is, should Robyn be offered Minister of Transport, or Agriculture and Fisheries ? (or whatever it's called). I don't think there's a department of copyright protection. Jonathan. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 12:34:20 GMT From: Jim Davies To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: aidan lays down the law in case anyone reads aidan's message and thinks `whoa, those sincere dudes don't sound too nice, what with the stories of them smashing up people's homes and taking their first born and all', i'd like to say that a) they are the nicest people you could hope to meet b) they are the nicest people you could hope to meet. take that as a given, then read aidan's story again. in particular, anyone who thinks that peter employs a team of mafia tea-ladies to bulk-erase home taping enthusiasts is way off the mark. it's not their style, and it's not what they're about. venue security (a separate affair) can be another matter. so can the BPI, god bless 'em. so can katrina from what i've heard. but hey, it's all rock and roll to me. summary according to jim: i) no-one's actually intending to rip anyone off, including the CD guy (blanks cost a lot more than that, aidan, unless you're buying a hell of a lot or you're in the business) ii) that doesn't make any difference. robyn probably wouldn't care for the idea. neither would the sinceros, and they might take the matter further suggestions: i) forget about it, at least as far as the list is concerned. it *has* been an interesting discussion, but let's leave it at that. ii) if you want to see unavailable material become available again, write to sincere, write to a&m even (!), and show that you're interested love Jim ( windin' up aidan again, eh? ) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 00:14:49 -0500 To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John B. Jones) Subject: Yet another Flavour of Night interpretation Being a new parent, and having spent a great deal of time around small children, the line You and your ice cream hands conjures up an image of a young person with ice cream all over. You know, like that messy marvin kid on the quik commercial. Anyway, I think of THAT and THAT makes me think that maybe he was referring to his daughter Maisie. Was Maisie young enough to have ice cream hands during the early 80's (when Robyn presumably wrote that)? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John B. Jones e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu "A pox upon the media and everything you read, They tell you their opinions and they're very good indeed." -Soft Boys -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 06:56:53 From: Russ Reynolds To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: new boots/panties in a bunch >3) We all excited because it's a CD, right? Not sure why, because >the quality will only be as good as the source material. If you make >a CD of a worn out scratched record it still sounds like a worn out >scratched record. The advantage is it will never get any MORE worn out or scratched, no matter how many times you play it...and you can leave it in your car on a hot day without ruining it...and if you listen mostly to music that's in CD format (as a good many of us do) it's far less trouble to throw it in the changer than it is to fiddle with your monitor and play a cassette. I know *I'd* listen to a CD of B-sides more often than I play my cassettes of same. As for the legal/moral issue, in my opinion this is no different than compiling a cassette of these tunes. Granted, it won't look good to someone like, say,the artist in question or an A&M executive, but that's primarily because this technology isn't as widely used as analog recording technology is...someone who sees a CD will assume it's been mass-produced for profit whereas that same someone wouldn't bat an eyelid if he stumbled across a cassette of the same songs. Maybe the key is to come up with really cruddy packaging...something scribbled in pencil on a white background [see "The Mothers--Live at the Filmore"]. And instead of a cool title like "digital fish" or something like that, we just call it "Larry's favorite songs" More direct Robyn Content: If'n this CD *does* get produced, I'd like to see it filled with only previously released material that never made it onto any of the albums' CD versions. Stuff like the Ruling Class, Dark Green Energy, Watch Your Intelligence...I think the original "Old Pervert" would also qualify. That's my 13 cents. keep the change. -Russ. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:23:22 -0500 From: deluxe transitive vampire To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: pv5 online *many* thanks to aidan for sending me a significant portion of the text that made up the fifth issue of "positive vibrations." taking advantage of the holiday today, i htmlized all the text this morning. fire your favorite web browser at http://remus.rutgers.edu/~fegmaniax/pv.html to take a looksee. woj ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 11:02:50 CST From: Bram Tchaikovsky To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Lightbulb Heads Well, it looks as if I really misinterpreted "Flesh Cartoons" now, doesn't it? Linda Ryan is a music journalist/press-agent type person and not a porn star :), but I think I could be forgiven for having that impression, knowing nothing about her and going purely from the lyrics. I mean, that verse about the half-empty airline flight conjured up something out of one of the "Emanuelle" flicks, at least to me (have I now revealed more about myself than I wanted to ?:)). Anyway, last night the line "life's a movie" popped into my head and a light went on (avert your eyes from my gaze, junior and ted and woody) and I think I Get It. Just don't ask me to Explain It. P.S. Am I the only person on this list who doesn't own ANY bootlegged Robyn material? Susan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:09:19 -0500 (EST) From: roLLerCOasTEr boy To: Engulfed in Living Slime Subject: What "Clean Steve" means to me A couple of ya'll asked, so here goes: Steve (not his real name) is some sort of music industry flack. I'm not sure if he's a promoter or the manager of a band or some a&r guy, but he's not, i think, involved on the creative side. i bet the real-life inspiration for Steve worked at A&M. Up until sometime in the Reagan/Thatcher years, Steve was a pretty heavy partying kind of guy. He may have been a little slimy, but he had some redeeming qualitities -- he fed the narrator, and lent him a pound once. Picture Steve, in some sort of toga, nose full of blow, dancing a round in the middle of the street to the new Nick Lowe album blaring from the boom-box. Woo-hoo! Get down, Steve, Get down!! But sometime in the late eighties, when heavy drug used stopped being chic, Steve cleaned himself up. I'm not quite sure if he's "washing" or "watching" his feet when the narrator is talking to Claire, but it fits either way: washing - Steve was walking barefoot in the grass, working on that pseudo-healthy orangish tan of his, and is fastidiously spraying the little bits of grass from his feet with the garden hose, so that he doesn't get it on Mark and Claire's carpet watching - He knows who Claire is talking to, and is unwilling to remain in the room while the narrator (who is still doing plenty of drugs -- they don't come any "dirtier" than him) is on the phone. Instead he stands outside, shuffling his feet uncomfortably and staring at his shoes Now Steve is a yuppie. he plays frisbee, and his teeth are great (he quit smoking, too, obviously). I'm not quite sure about the Liverhead bit -- is it a trendy neighbourhood?? He's got that sleazy sort of exploitive pressing-the-flesh quality ** -- he meets his neighbour's friend out on the front lawn and winds up going into business with him producing some sort of videos. (i always think of those amatuer erotic video series when i hear this line, but i can't say that my interpretations is supported by the text, as they say in the lit-crit world) so watch out all you space cats... clean steve is a mineral (-water-drinking) man I enjoyed everyone's thoughts about the ice cream hands, by the way... I like the vanilla image. I dunno why, I'd been thinking pistachio or something... doug the not-completely-clean __/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__==the=roLLerCOasTEr=boy= = ...nous devons cultiver notre jardin... = = INET:dmayowel@access.digex.net AOL:DougMhyphW Compu$erve:102432,355 = = visit the pathetic caverns! http://www.access.digex.net/~dmayowel = ** this is a p.s. to the whole exploitation thing. i went to a meeting yesterday in which our business development mgr said that anyone we had any contact with whatsoever was a potential customer. so... right then, which of you lot wants some multi-media training? business process re-engineering? an electronic performance support system? come on, woj, aren't you dying to have a part-task simulator that will teach the proper procedures for maintaining your cd collection database? ------------------------------ From: Erik Subject: pretty obsure question... To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:24:47 -0500 (EST) Hello, Sorry, but I'm not on this mailing list -- I'm subscribed to too many as it is -- but I have an RH related question that I'm hoping somebody can help me with (Bayard gave me this address). Anyway, I saw him last year (Nov. 17, I think) in Madrid, Spain. There was some guy opening up for him who I liked, but never got his name. Does anybody know who it was? Thanks :) Erik epb3r@fermi.clas.virginia.edu http://fermi.clas.virginia.edu/~epb3r/ ps Please reply to me personally since I'm not on this list. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:25:27 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: spam filter? To: deluxe transitive vampire Cc: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu As a sidenote.. Is anyone else here subscribed to the Pink Floyd Echoes Digest? Usually I wouldn't ask, but the thing is going berserk and sending me copies of the same digest (I think it's up to 10 so far in 2 days..probably more). I wouldn't mind, normally, since I could delete them, but my system limits me to 500K mail and this keeps pushing me over the limit. 1) Is anyone else having the problem w/ the Echoes Digest spamming them? 2) Does anyone know how I could stop it? Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 12:29:26 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: CRD: Woman In You To: Pretty Girls and Anglepoise lamps Woman in you G D C(addG) Don't want to lose you Don't want to lose your love Don't want to lose you Don't want to lose your love That's all I've got so far C(addG) is 032013 Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 11:37:06 -0600 (CST) From: JAY LYALL Subject: things To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu First of all the boot thing...I also thought of this idea a few months back and the consesses was that it was a bad idea...especially when it was pointed out that the Falkland invasion was really a move to inforce British copyright law...anyways, since RH doesn't seem to mind people taping his shows I think that that is the "sanctioned" method...now if some one will take a cd press to a show...that will be the real test....anyways I would think that if this was going to be done it should be handled the same way tapes are...if you want a copy send a blank cd to have it pressed with no money of anyform changing hands... Second as for Spam I don't think its a big a problem on mailing lists as it is in the USENET world so I would just leave the filter off with the proviso that if we do get spamed no one respond to the list, but drown the senders postmaster with complaints ...or even crash it with chat requests...no wait, I didn't say that I just thought it.... poll data...Airscape has fallen from the number one postion....but just barely and to those who I usually correspond with on private threads I've quit writting cause I'm swamped with work before I confront the old world...so don't take it personally... jay %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Jay Lyall "Must you tell me all your secrets hist1a@jetson.uh.edu When its hard enough to love you knowing nothing" University of Houston --Lloyd Cole "I was born to cheese you." "If absence makes the heart grow fonder --Robyn Hitchcock Then I don't want to see you any more." --Replacements %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 12:38:59 CST From: Bram Tchaikovsky To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Clean Steve's musical taste Rollercoaster boy (I can't be bothered with all that upper/lowercase shifting about!)- I like your interpretation. However, I must take issue with your opinion of Nick Lowe. :) Yes, I know, second time I have written to the list today. Scary. Susan ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu (The list that invented itself) Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 13:35:20 EST Subject: Lightbulb Heads Susan [Bram Tchaikovsky ] wrote: >Well, it looks as if I really misinterpreted "Flesh Cartoons" now, doesn't >it? Linda Ryan is a music journalist/press-agent type person and not a porn >star :), but I think I could be forgiven for having that impression, knowing >nothing about her and going purely from the lyrics. I mean, that verse about >the half-empty airline flight conjured up something out of one of the >"Emanuelle" flicks, at least to me (have I now revealed more about myself >than I wanted to ?:)). Anyway, last night the line "life's a movie" popped >into my head and a light went on (avert your eyes from my gaze, junior and >ted and woody) and I think I Get It. Just don't ask me to Explain It. > >P.S. Am I the only person on this list who doesn't own ANY bootlegged Robyn >material? > > >Susan I always heard it the same way. The other verses make sense in that context, too. Does the existence of a person named Linda Ryan who's had something to do with Robyn mean he wasn't writing about porn ? I still support the "porn" theory unless somebody can tie in all the other lyrics to the "journalist" theory. What about the German leather-boy "oboe" player ? What are porn films if not "flesh cartoons" ? -- ROSS OVERBURY email: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 14:15:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" To: "Us...we wanna be some anglepoise lamps yeh!" Subject: Re: The pirate CD being proposed On 9 Nov 1995, Aidan Merritt wrote: > Peter & Mushy Jenner (Sincere) have had a lot of bad experiences of people > pirating stuff from their artists - particularly Pink Fdoyd - and have a policy > of _always_ cracking down as hard as they can on bootleggers (people at concerts > at which Sincere staff have been present have often reported having tape > recorders taken outside and smashed), --which merely makes them petty fascists. "Compensation" is one thing--but value is obviously not the issue when equipment is being trashed. > all equipment which they > thought _may_ have been involved in the production was confiscated without > compensation. > British copyright law is draconian compared to that in the rest of the world, > allowing copyright owners to confiscate goods/money to cover both any royalties > or potential future royalties which may be lost as a result, plus an *unlimited* > amount as 'compensation'. --or perhaps a budding non-petty fascism. I love this "_may_ have been involved" and "umlimited...'compensation`"--how convenient! American police have been known to abuse the similarly vague "disturbing the peace" charge at their pleasure... > Sincere and the record labels - NOT Robyn - control > the mechanical copyright. As all those potentially involved are based in the EU > - Sincere, A&M, the receivers of Midnight - under the Berne Convention, only > _one_ copy needs to find its way to this country - or _anywhere_ in the EU - for > the British copyright law to be enforced anywhere in the world. > you're going to have Sincere aiming to sequester your money as compensation - > and you will be - it is *not* a good idea to send them something with your name > and bank account details on it. Something seems wrong here (and it may be BRitish law): let me get this straight: if I were to purchase a bootleg tape, the contents of which at some time were illegitimately available inthe EU, anything I have which *may* have been used in the "production" of this tape, to any "unlimited" amount for "compensation," could be seized from me--even though I'm not in Britain nor a British citizen?!? Sounds cool--if I had the ethics of a snake, all I'd have to do to get feelthy rich would be to get a copyright on something in Britain that someone somewhere would want to bootleg, and then confiscate everything they own. Now, since this isn't happening, something tells me there's a misreading of the law somewhere (quite possibly on my part--but I'm only reading what Aidan posted). There's also the practical question of enforcement cost--a close friend (of *course* I'm not naming names...) might possibly have or have had a RH bootleg tape--I don't think the BRitish Copyright Police are going to burst in his door anytime soon (singing, extremely well, no doubt), way over here in Wisconsin. The bit about sending Robyn checks was intended, I suspect, not as a means of legally covering anyone's buttcheeks, but more as a gesture, saying "here, we know this is your material, and you should be compensated for it, even if only in this extra-legal, gestural way" (yes that's right--a gesture that's gestural...). Since Aidan, for some reason, officially foreswore responding to his post, someone else will have to do so if they want. --Jeff Jeffrey Norman "This album is dedicated to anyone University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee who started out as an animal Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. and winds up as a processing unit." e-mail: jenor@csd.uwm.edu --note on the Soft Boys' _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:24:14 -0500 (EST) From: roLLerCOasTEr boy To: JAY LYALL cc: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: things (falklands/malvinas) On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, JAY LYALL wrote: > First of all the boot thing...I also thought of this idea a few months back > the consesses was that it was a bad idea...especially when it was pointed out > that the Falkland invasion was really a move to inforce British copyright > law...anyways, since RH doesn't seem to mind people taping his shows I think Say what!? I thought the Falklands invasion was about getting control of the Uranium mines. Please to explain this copyright angle. (I still suspect this copyright thing may have been a smokescreen for the *real* reason) doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:32:46 -0500 (EST) From: roLLerCOasTEr boy To: Engulfed in Living Slime Subject: Re: Lightbulb Heads On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, Ross Overbury wrote: > > Susan [Bram Tchaikovsky ] wrote: [about Linda Ryan of "flesh cartoons" fame being a porn actress] > I always heard it the same way. The other verses make sense in that > context, too. Does the existence of a person named Linda Ryan who's > had something to do with Robyn mean he wasn't writing about porn ? I > still support the "porn" theory unless somebody can tie in all the other > lyrics to the "journalist" theory. What about the German leather-boy > "oboe" player ? What are porn films if not "flesh cartoons" ? Well, I might suggest that Linda Ryan was featured in the video nasties produced by "Clean" Steve and the man next door's best friend, but it might be slander or libel if i were to do so, and thus i will refrain. (does this count as being "printed??" i forget) I always thought "Flesh Cartoons" was a song about sexual fantasies, myself... doug ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 95 14:45:45 CST From: Bram Tchaikovsky To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Massive confusion Sorry if this comes out a bit garbled, but the noise on this line is something awful. I guess I had assumed because of the type of person that Clean Stteve was, the fact that you added the comment "Get down steve" was some sort of slam on what he was listening to (e.g. the "new Nick Lowe cassette). My confusin, not yours! Susan (third time posting today- I have a lot of time between classes! :)) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:50:01 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: What "Clean Steve" means to me To: roLLerCOasTEr boy Cc: Engulfed in Living Slime > But sometime in the late eighties, when heavy drug used stopped being > chic, Steve cleaned himself up. I'm not quite sure if he's "washing" > or "watching" his feet when the narrator is talking to Claire, but > it fits either way: Hmm. I was thinking of more of a religious sense, as in "Foot-washing Baptists" [See "To Kill a Mockingbird". The Radley's in particular]. I guess that this might be, in your view, some sort of thing w/ Steve as a born-again Christian.. > > Now Steve is a yuppie. he plays frisbee, and his teeth are great > (he quit smoking, too, obviously). I'm not quite sure about the > Liverhead bit -- is it a trendy neighbourhood?? He's got that sleazy > sort of exploitive pressing-the-flesh quality ** -- he meets his neighbour's > friend out on the front lawn and winds up going into business with > him producing some sort of videos. (i always think of those amatuer > erotic video series when i hear this line, but i can't say that my > interpretations is supported by the text, as they say in the lit-crit > world) It's Leatherhead, an English city. I never did get the "mineral man" bit, and gifured that it was just a takeoff of "vegetable man". And I always figured it was some sort of artsy music videos.. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:11:15 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" To: "Us...we wanna be some anglepoise lamps yeh!" Subject: Re: linda ryan On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, stirring up world-wide havoc, deluxe transitive vampire wrote: > she was also a deejay at kusf. somewhere around here, i have an interview > done by her with the egyptians in 1986 prior to a show at the i-beam. if > i remember correctly, she was the one who gave the evil one to robyn (now > *there's* a faq!). Errr, wot? That is, wudjz mean, "gave the evil one to robyn"? --Jeff Jeffrey Norman Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee "We make everything you need, and you need everything we make." --ZikZak advertising slogan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:06:26 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Copyrights/Eye To: Pretty Girls and Anglepoise lamps 1) That British Copyright law sounds pretty harsh. What I'm wondering is this: As a resident citizen of the US, if I make CDs that interfere with Peter Jenner's copyrights, who will physically sieze my various equipment. The American Police: Well...it's not their law. I doubt that they would enforce it because of this. The British Police: I'm over 1000 miles out of their jurisdiction. Peter Jenners: I don't think he's about to come to my house with a goon squad because of the *very* questionable legality of this and because, in the United States, invading someone's house is a very good way to get yourself killed. 2) Eye: To me, the album seems to be a very sentimental 'lost love' sort of album. Several people have brought some porn connection in with 'Flesh Cartoons' and 'Clean Steve'. I thought I'd bring this interview up.. > RH: I do. I was never that interested in how the thing actually > sounded. Records were a blueprint. You'd have to chain in the words. > The purpose of the words was to create a cartoon- a flesh cartoon. > Life is a series of flesh cartoons with various characters painlessly > rupturing themselves like Tom and Jerry. That was my attitude. They > were anesthetized folk songs, if you like. All sorts of horrible things > happened to people but it didn't really matter. They replaced > themselves very quickly like Tom and Jerry. You know, Tom's face > cracks completely when he smashes into a wall, he slides down and > then it reforms. There is that sort of painless regurgitation of hysteria. > > M2: Do you feel the same way about this current cycle of songs? > > RH: No, these songs are much more vulnerable. If one of these songs > cracks it would stay broken. "Flesh Cartoons" was also the working title of the album "Queen Elvis". I personally think that the song is basically about being jilted by a girlfriend. (I really dig the way he can put anger into a line like 'and everything just turned out right') Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 15:57:49 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: NetSurfer Ghost To: Pretty Girls and Anglepoise lamps Several of you with no ROIOs (Recordings Of Illegitimate Origin. Not Bootlegs. Al Capone does bootlegs. I do ROIOs) have asked about NetSurfer Ghost, and since I volunteered to be part of the 'latecomer' tape tree. It is: A collection of new live songs which will comprise a good portion of his forthcoming album. He has authorized this release. If you want a copy, please send private e-mail and we'll talk terms. Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 19:39:10 -0500 From: deluxe transitive vampire To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: NetSurfer Ghost Terry Marks sez: >He has authorized this release. well, not "officially". after one of the shows last spring, when asked about the _surfer ghost_ delays, robyn said something to the effect of, "the concert tapes are out there, make your own." so that's what happened, but i'd hardly consider that either authorization or permission. nevertheless, the tape exists. woj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 00:47:42 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Requests To: Pretty Girls and Anglepoise lamps I've got a few requests.. 1)Could someone send me the Egyptians interview in which Robyn claims that they don't rehearse, they just eat lunch together? 2) I'm considering recording for Glass Flesh. I plan on doing 52 Stations and When I Was Dead. Any requests? 3) If anyone knows the chords to "Bones in the Ground" or "Wading Through A Ventilator"? Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:58:53 -0700 (MST) From: Peter Quizert To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu, fegmaniax-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu, fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu, musica@krypton.hpc.sdsmt.edu, solarcar97@krypton.hpc.sdsmt.edu, st-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu, www-security@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Are You Preapred? The Problem: Most companies require a pre-employment drug test. If you are seeking employment, on probation, or in the military, you will have to take a drug test. Another Problem: Eating the wrong breakfast, or using certain over-the- counter pain relievers will falsely identify you as a drug user. The Real Problem: Public and private employers spend 1.2 billion dollars each year (1992 figures) on drug tests that are unreliable and inaccurate. Even hard working employees that do not use drugs are at risk. The Solution: ================================ Know the Facts. Know what foods and over the counter medicines are routinely mistaken for common illegal drugs. Simply eating a poppy seed bagel before a drug test can identify you as an opiate user. Know how long different illicit drugs can be detected in your system. Marijuana can be detected for more than a month if nothing is done to conceal its use. Know the different types of drug tests, especially the ones you are likely to face. GC/MS tests are almost impossible to beat, but are seldom used. The more common EMIT test is much easier to fool -- if you know how. Be Prepared! Know when the test is coming. Do not use illicit drugs, or ingest cross-reactive substances before the test. Clean your system of drug metabolites and cross-reactive substances. Drink plenty of water and urinate as often as possible before the test. Do NOT give them your first urine of the day! Use Clean 'n Clear. Clean 'n Clear is a three phase system designed to Clean out your body, so you will give Clear urine and Clear the test. The unique Clean 'n Clear Package includes: 1. Simple step-by-step instructions 2. All natural blood purifiers 3. All natural urine flow stimulators 4. Coloring vitamins to put 'yellow' back in your clear urine 5. Information you need about drug testing 6. A guarantee! This is not a simplistic "tea" or golden seal approach to the problem! This amazing three phase system is guaranteed! And not just guaranteed ... We are so sure our unique three phase system will work for you that we are including a DOUBLE YOUR MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!!! Everyone has a friend who needs this information! =================================================================== -------------------------------- P R I N T and S A V E ! ! -------------------------------- Be prepared. Stop worrying now! You will pass. We guarantee it!! Order your guaranteed Clean 'n Clear package now by sending $19.95 along with your name and address to: Clean 'n Clear 2809 East Hamilton Av #121B Eau Claire, WI 54701 Most companies require pre-employment drug screens. You may only have a few days notice of a drug test. Be Prepared. Order Now! =================================================================== Sorry, Clean 'n Clear is not legal in Texas, and will NOT be mailed to Texas addresses. Distributor inquires welcome. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:46:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" To: "Us...we wanna be some anglepoise lamps yeh!" Subject: Re: Are You Preapred? No, I'm not preapred. But I wonder--does Mr Quizert think this list is full of drug addicts or something? Or does he think we're a bunch of poppy-seed bagel-eaters? (Poppy-seed toast--now *that*'d be more likely...) And who was it who, speaking too soon, said none of the Rutgers listservs had been spammed? And has anyone ever spammed a bunch of lists trying to sell spam? i say we all send Mr. Quizert a glass of piss--serve him right! --Jeff Jeffrey Norman "Crumple zones, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee harmful or fatal if swallowed, Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. small-craft warning." e-mail: jenor@csd.uwm.edu --no one in particular ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:06:26 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Copyrights/Eye To: Pretty Girls and Anglepoise lamps 1) That British Copyright law sounds pretty harsh. What I'm wondering is this: As a resident citizen of the US, if I make CDs that interfere with Peter Jenner's copyrights, who will physically sieze my various equipment. The American Police: Well...it's not their law. I doubt that they would enforce it because of this. The British Police: I'm over 1000 miles out of their jurisdiction. Peter Jenners: I don't think he's about to come to my house with a goon squad because of the *very* questionable legality of this and because, in the United States, invading someone's house is a very good way to get yourself killed. 2) Eye: To me, the album seems to be a very sentimental 'lost love' sort of album. Several people have brought some porn connection in with 'Flesh Cartoons' and 'Clean Steve'. I thought I'd bring this interview up.. > RH: I do. I was never that interested in how the thing actually > sounded. Records were a blueprint. You'd have to chain in the words. > The purpose of the words was to create a cartoon- a flesh cartoon. > Life is a series of flesh cartoons with various characters painlessly > rupturing themselves like Tom and Jerry. That was my attitude. They > were anesthetized folk songs, if you like. All sorts of horrible things > happened to people but it didn't really matter. They replaced > themselves very quickly like Tom and Jerry. You know, Tom's face > cracks completely when he smashes into a wall, he slides down and > then it reforms. There is that sort of painless regurgitation of hysteria. > > M2: Do you feel the same way about this current cycle of songs? > > RH: No, these songs are much more vulnerable. If one of these songs > cracks it would stay broken. "Flesh Cartoons" was also the working title of the album "Queen Elvis". I personally think that the song is basically about being jilted by a girlfriend. (I really dig the way he can put anger into a line like 'and everything just turned out right') Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 10:58:31 -0500 (EST) From: roLLerCOasTEr boy To: Terry Marks cc: Pretty Girls and Anglepoise lamps Subject: Re: Copyrights/Eye On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, Terry Marks wrote: > 2) Eye: To me, the album seems to be a very sentimental 'lost love' sort > of album. Several people have brought some porn connection in with > 'Flesh Cartoons' and 'Clean Steve'. [cool interview snipped] > "Flesh Cartoons" was also the working title of the album "Queen Elvis". > I personally think that the song is basically about being jilted by a > girlfriend. (I really dig the way he can put anger into a line like 'and > everything just turned out right') Ok, Terry, but if you try to tell me I'm a pervert for thiking there's somthing sexual about "Agony of Pleasure," well.... re:Quizert's spam: geez, i don't think i've ever gotten the same message so many times! after i deleted all of them i didn't have any mail left... dirty doug (dawg?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 00:47:42 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Requests To: Pretty Girls and Anglepoise lamps I've got a few requests.. 1)Could someone send me the Egyptians interview in which Robyn claims that they don't rehearse, they just eat lunch together? 2) I'm considering recording for Glass Flesh. I plan on doing 52 Stations and When I Was Dead. Any requests? 3) If anyone knows the chords to "Bones in the Ground" or "Wading Through A Ventilator"? Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:58:53 -0700 (MST) From: Peter Quizert To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu, fegmaniax-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu, fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu, musica@krypton.hpc.sdsmt.edu, solarcar97@krypton.hpc.sdsmt.edu, st-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu, www-security@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Are You Preapred? The Problem: Most companies require a pre-employment drug test. If you are seeking employment, on probation, or in the military, you will have to take a drug test. Another Problem: Eating the wrong breakfast, or using certain over-the- counter pain relievers will falsely identify you as a drug user. The Real Problem: Public and private employers spend 1.2 billion dollars each year (1992 figures) on drug tests that are unreliable and inaccurate. Even hard working employees that do not use drugs are at risk. The Solution: ================================ Know the Facts. Know what foods and over the counter medicines are routinely mistaken for common illegal drugs. Simply eating a poppy seed bagel before a drug test can identify you as an opiate user. Know how long different illicit drugs can be detected in your system. Marijuana can be detected for more than a month if nothing is done to conceal its use. Know the different types of drug tests, especially the ones you are likely to face. GC/MS tests are almost impossible to beat, but are seldom used. The more common EMIT test is much easier to fool -- if you know how. Be Prepared! Know when the test is coming. Do not use illicit drugs, or ingest cross-reactive substances before the test. Clean your system of drug metabolites and cross-reactive substances. Drink plenty of water and urinate as often as possible before the test. Do NOT give them your first urine of the day! Use Clean 'n Clear. Clean 'n Clear is a three phase system designed to Clean out your body, so you will give Clear urine and Clear the test. The unique Clean 'n Clear Package includes: 1. Simple step-by-step instructions 2. All natural blood purifiers 3. All natural urine flow stimulators 4. Coloring vitamins to put 'yellow' back in your clear urine 5. Information you need about drug testing 6. A guarantee! This is not a simplistic "tea" or golden seal approach to the problem! This amazing three phase system is guaranteed! And not just guaranteed ... We are so sure our unique three phase system will work for you that we are including a DOUBLE YOUR MONEY BACK GUARANTEE!!! Everyone has a friend who needs this information! =================================================================== -------------------------------- P R I N T and S A V E ! ! -------------------------------- Be prepared. Stop worrying now! You will pass. We guarantee it!! Order your guaranteed Clean 'n Clear package now by sending $19.95 along with your name and address to: Clean 'n Clear 2809 East Hamilton Av #121B Eau Claire, WI 54701 Most companies require pre-employment drug screens. You may only have a few days notice of a drug test. Be Prepared. Order Now! =================================================================== Sorry, Clean 'n Clear is not legal in Texas, and will NOT be mailed to Texas addresses. Distributor inquires welcome. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:46:36 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" To: "Us...we wanna be some anglepoise lamps yeh!" Subject: Re: Are You Preapred? No, I'm not preapred. But I wonder--does Mr Quizert think this list is full of drug addicts or something? Or does he think we're a bunch of poppy-seed bagel-eaters? (Poppy-seed toast--now *that*'d be more likely...) And who was it who, speaking too soon, said none of the Rutgers listservs had been spammed? And has anyone ever spammed a bunch of lists trying to sell spam? i say we all send Mr. Quizert a glass of piss--serve him right! --Jeff Jeffrey Norman "Crumple zones, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee harmful or fatal if swallowed, Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. small-craft warning." e-mail: jenor@csd.uwm.edu --no one in particular ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Nov 1995 18:06:26 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Copyrights/Eye To: Pretty Girls and Anglepoise lamps 1) That British Copyright law sounds pretty harsh. What I'm wondering is this: As a resident citizen of the US, if I make CDs that interfere with Peter Jenner's copyrights, who will physically sieze my various equipment. The American Police: Well...it's not their law. I doubt that they would enforce it because of this. The British Police: I'm over 1000 miles out of their jurisdiction. Peter Jenners: I don't think he's about to come to my house with a goon squad because of the *very* questionable legality of this and because, in the United States, invading someone's house is a very good way to get yourself killed. 2) Eye: To me, the album seems to be a very sentimental 'lost love' sort of album. Several people have brought some porn connection in with 'Flesh Cartoons' and 'Clean Steve'. I thought I'd bring this interview up.. > RH: I do. I was never that interested in how the thing actually > sounded. Records were a blueprint. You'd have to chain in the words. > The purpose of the words was to create a cartoon- a flesh cartoon. > Life is a series of flesh cartoons with various characters painlessly > rupturing themselves like Tom and Jerry. That was my attitude. They > were anesthetized folk songs, if you like. All sorts of horrible things > happened to people but it didn't really matter. They replaced > themselves very quickly like Tom and Jerry. You know, Tom's face > cracks completely when he smashes into a wall, he slides down and > then it reforms. There is that sort of painless regurgitation of hysteria. > > M2: Do you feel the same way about this current cycle of songs? > > RH: No, these songs are much more vulnerable. If one of these songs > cracks it would stay broken. "Flesh Cartoons" was also the working title of the album "Queen Elvis". I personally think that the song is basically about being jilted by a girlfriend. (I really dig the way he can put anger into a line like 'and everything just turned out right') Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 10:58:31 -0500 (EST) From: roLLerCOasTEr boy To: Terry Marks cc: Pretty Girls and Anglepoise lamps Subject: Re: Copyrights/Eye On Fri, 10 Nov 1995, Terry Marks wrote: > 2) Eye: To me, the album seems to be a very sentimental 'lost love' sort > of album. Several people have brought some porn connection in with > 'Flesh Cartoons' and 'Clean Steve'. [cool interview snipped] > "Flesh Cartoons" was also the working title of the album "Queen Elvis". > I personally think that the song is basically about being jilted by a > girlfriend. (I really dig the way he can put anger into a line like 'and > everything just turned out right') Ok, Terry, but if you try to tell me I'm a pervert for thiking there's somthing sexual about "Agony of Pleasure," well.... re:Quizert's spam: geez, i don't think i've ever gotten the same message so many times! after i deleted all of them i didn't have any mail left... dirty doug (dawg?) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 11:17:59 -0500 From: deluxe transitive vampire To: jenor@csd.uwm.edu Subject: Re: Are You Preapred? Cc: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" sez: >And who was it who, speaking too soon, said none of the Rutgers listservs >had been spammed? hey, at least i offered a line of defense. speaking of which, i'll be putting that filter on within a few minutes or so. so, if you post to the list, and the address in your from: header doesn'y sync up with the address that you are subscribed to the list as, the note will be sent to me for approval. >And has anyone ever spammed a bunch of lists trying to sell spam? >i say we all send Mr. Quizert a glass of piss--serve him right! nah - instead, send a letter of complaint back to him and cc the postmaster at his site. be polite about it too. no mailbombing. just state that this guy is misusing the net and that you'd appreciate it if his account was disabled. most commercial providers, in the interest of protecting their reputation, will comply rather than become known as a spam site. woj [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. 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