Fegmaniax Digest <==----------==> (Send posts to the list to fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu) (Send adminstrative commands to majordomo@nsmx.rutgers.edu) (Send comments, etc to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu) <==----------==> Volume 3 Number 173 Today's Topics: ------- ------ TW&J: F-Minor vs. F-Major-7th Re: messylaneous replies Hate and fanzines (was Positive Vibrations) Re: Reflections on alt.personals.fegmaniax Re: AN Idea Airscape chords REM CRD: My Favourite Buildings Re: AN Idea threads dunno who I disagree with Re: AN Idea Help Poor Andy! (nonRobyn) Re: threads Re: Personals. RE: Hate and fanzines (was Positive Vibrations) Re: dunno who I disagree with Re: AN Idea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:37:44 -0600 To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu From: jh3@ns.cencom.net (JH3 Unlimited, Ltd.) Subject: TW&J: F-Minor vs. F-Major-7th Mike Hardaker writes: >And, while we're on the subject of chords, I think the Ted, Woody and >Junior chords posted are a bit dodgy (well, they sound dodgy now, but they >might sound great when you're dead...:-)... >...the middle eights goes: > Fmaj7 Eb7 >It's a wonderful world with a lot of strange men Hold on a minute there, Mike...did you try singing along with that F-Major-7th? Assuming you're playing it 131241, the A on the 4th string would seriously conflict with the bass guitar's A-flat on the first beat of the second of the two measures in which this chord is played, and your E-flat on strings 3 and/or 5 would also conflict with the E that Robyn is singing on the word "world"... So I'm afraid I must stand by my earlier assertion that it's F-minor. Ideally, though, you would mute the 6th string on "world" to avoid unnecessary emotional stress, unexpected blackouts, and enormous tidal waves of skin lotion. I can accept the E-flat-7th, though since the first vocal note in that measure is an actual E-flat (or D-sharp, as I might put it), it's fairly debatable... and that's hardly a big concession, mind you. Anyway, they're only chords, right? I mean, what am I spending so much time on this for? I should be out there, taming... John Hedges JH3 Unlimited, Ltd. "We Change Our Corporate Identity Every Day" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:28:55 -0500 To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John B. Jones) Subject: Re: messylaneous replies Previously quoted: >jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John B. Jones) sez: > >>Unless I am mistaken, this is a vinyl only boot called "A Soft Boy No >>More". It is about 55min long, and the sleeve states it was recorded in >>Athens, GA in 1985. The boot is taken from an audience recording, and the >>quality is not that hot. Better than "The Hooded One" boot tho. > >hmmm. my recollection is that _the hooded one_ sounded better than _a >soft boy no more_. of course, it's been a while since i dusted off >either of these slabs o'vinyl, so don't trust me that much. ;) in any >event, both are audience recordings and sound accordingly. > >woj You might be right, Woj. While I do own an original of "A Soft Boy No More", my copy of "Hooded" is a taped copy--who knows how many generations down the line it is. This could account for my rotten opinion of it. It is the poorest quality Robyn show I own. Maybe I'll go and listen to it--its been a few years! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John B. Jones e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu "You know Bootleg Sal used to live crosstown, The law went there and they closed him down, Now you can't get that stuff no more." -Tampa Red & Georgia Tom, 1932 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:49:05 -0500 To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu From: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu (John B. Jones) Subject: Hate and fanzines (was Positive Vibrations) commenting on Positive Vibrations, jim said: >I liked some of the bits which I accessed on the Feg Web page, but I >was disappointed with others. I liked the interviews from the Chicago >radio station and the alphabetical song lists... What bothered me was >that I wasn't expecting a consistent slam-session on Robyn's recent >music. It was puzzling to me why somebody (actually, sombodies - >being you and Barb) would bother to put out a fanzine about an artist >which they obviously think is putting out sub-par work. My estimate >was that 75% of yours and Barb's comments were negative--if not >downright nasty. I see and hear alot of talk on the list about PV's and their (Aidan & Barb's) less-than-pretty demeanour towards Robyn and his recent body of work. As a fan of zines, fan and otherwise, I must admit that the majority of fanzines I have read are "the glass is full" type of zines. The people writing them couldn't THINK of something negative to say about the object(s) of their fandom, let alone put it into writing. It gets boring to read pages and pages of gushing superlatives after awhile. I agree with some of their criticisms. For example, we are of the same opinion about Respect- it was a disaster. Wonderful songs---horrid production. But what I like most is that Aidan & Barb felt comfortable with taking a critical look at Robyn and his music. They are able to tell you what they LOVE about Robyn and his discography. They are also able to tell you what they HATE. And apart from the opinions you will find there, it has always been a great source of information (upcoming releases, what ex-band members are up to, tour dates, etc.). I am sad that Aidan & Barb will no longer be contributing, and wonder what the "new-improved" Positive Vibrations magazine will be like. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John B. Jones e-mail: jojones@mailbox.syr.edu "You know Bootleg Sal used to live crosstown, The law went there and they closed him down, Now you can't get that stuff no more." -Tampa Red & Georgia Tom, 1932 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 21:39:08 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" To: "Us...we wanna be some anglepoise lamps yeh!" Subject: Re: Reflections on alt.personals.fegmaniax On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, David Librik wrote: > Woj writed: > > >fave robyn (heart) = fegmania! > >fave robyn (head) = element of light > >fave robyn song = i have no fucking clue > > Performed only once, at the Viva Sealink! secret concert on a ferry in ...and so on in an ever-spiraling crescent of hilarity. Bravo! --Jeff IN GIRUM IMUS NOCTE Jeffrey Norman ET CONSUMIMUR IGNI University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. e-mail: jenor@csd.uwm.edu In my CD changer: Stereolab _Refried Ectosplasm (Switched On 2)_ David Bowie _Outside_ Sonic Youth _Washing Machine_ Mercury Rev _See You on the Other Side_ Pere Ubu _Ray Gun Suitcase_ PS: *my* fave Robyn song is "Ever-Spiraling Crescent"... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 01:43:09 -0500 (EST) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: AN Idea To: roLLerCOasTEr boy Cc: Fegmaniax List On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, roLLerCOasTEr boy wrote: [Re: the big artist list thing] > are you looking for a top three list? top ten list? top hundred? Well, I'd limit it to 10 or so. Don't correct any votes that you've already put in, because that will mess things up, but if it's too long, I'll get tired of typing it in before the end. I do all of this manually. No fancy survey driver programs > is it weighted in some intriguing fashion? Yes. The ones I like count double :) Entries that include biographies are not counted at all. Any denotation of which albums you like is kind of a waste of both of our times, because I usually don't know the albums and when that fails, I don't really care. This is because, well, I'm doing artist polls, not album polls. > should we restrict ourselves to folk/rock/pop? If you feel like it Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 11:00:49 +0000 (GMT) From: M R Godwin To: The looming mullet and the wily bream Subject: Airscape chords The last time I saw Robyn (at Yarmouth in August) he was definitely not playing standard E and A chords at the start of Airscape. He seemed to be using a sort of barre C shape (1st to 6th 3 5 5 5 3 3) for the main chord, alternating the bass note between the 6th and 5th strings every bar, but NOT altering the main chord. After that there was a change to the 3rd chord which was also not a normal 'Bert Weedon' chord. There might well have been an open string droning all the way through, too. He could have been using a non-standard tuning, but I don't think so. Sorry that this is so vague, but he was using chords which aren't on my guitar. When are we going to get a Robyn Hitchcock "Play my songs just the way I do" video? - Mike Godwin. ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu (The list that invented itself) Date: Sun, 29 Oct 95 22:15:01 EST Subject: REM Terry just wondered: > >Just wondering about "Man on the Moon". >'Andy are you goofing on Elvis'... >Just wondering if this could be the Andy I think it is.. > > >Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks >a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us > Yes. You think it's Andy Kauffman. I think I read it in Rolling Stone one or two years back. I'll check my sources if any debate over this eats up significant bandwidth. -- ROSS OVERBURY INTERNET: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ From: Mike Hardaker To: "'Fegmaniax!'" Subject: CRD: My Favourite Buildings Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 14:19:50 +-200 I decided to learn this the other day and dug out the chords which had been posted to the group a few months ago. I'm afraid they're so far off the original that maybe we're listening to different songs! Here's my two penn'orth, anyway. Chords an odd mix of jazz and folk shapes): F#m7: 2x2222 B7: x21202 E: 022100 C#9: x43444 G#7: 464544 C#m7: 446454 B9: x21222 G: 320003 Bm: 224432 Em: 022000 A7: 002020 Am7: 002010 D7: x00212 My Favorite Buildings (3:11) --------------------- F#m7 B7 My favorite buildings E C#9 Are all falling down F#m7 B7 Seems like I dwell in a E C#9 Different town F#m7 B7 But why should I bother with E G#7 Painting them brown C#m7 When they'll all be pulled down F#m7 (B9 C#9 B9) In the end F#m7 B7 My favorite buildings E C#9 Stretch upwards for miles F#m7 B7 Remind me somehow of your E C#9 Favorite smiles F#m7 B7 Like oak leaves in Autumn E G#7 Cascading on stiles C#m7 In the rain G Bm Em Nobody seems to know how long A7 Am7 All of these buildings belong D7 B7 'Til they become a part of you G Bm Em People get down on your knees A7 Am7 Buildings are like a disease D7 B7 You could wind up in a zoo E (B9 C#9 B9) And most people do My favorite buildings Are all laid to waste One might as well sculpt a statue >From toothpaste And someday I could have a fifty-inch waist It's all free (C#m7)F#m7 B7 For my favorite buildings E (B9 C#9 B9) And me ============================================== Mike Hardaker Editor - Information Week, Southern Africa hardaker@iafrica.com mike@ systems.co.za mhardaker@cix.compulink.co.uk Tel: +27 ((0)21) 419 0799 Fax: +27 ((0)21) 419 0787 ============================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 10:58:06 -0800 (PST) From: prometheus To: ted woody and junior Subject: Re: AN Idea On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Terry Marks wrote: > Someone posted a while back about not being able to spot Fegs at RH > concerts. Anyone want to try, perhaps, making big red "FEG" buttons? > how about big red neon lights attached to the skull that say "FEG". or even better wear a piece of toast stapled to your sleeve. ;) but seriously fegs, if anyone is interested in any type of button (Robyn or otherwise), i have acces to button making equipment. my friend sports a beautiful toth button. drop me a personal line only please, so as not to fill the fegpostings with unrelated shtuff. prometheus for halloween i wore a cynthia mask. ------------------------------ From: C.J.Burnham@physics.salford.ac.uk Date: 1 Nov 95 20:11 To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: threads Hey, I want to start a thread up on threads. eg: What's the most tenuous link to RH you can get away with without others on the list complaining? Can you think up a name for Robyn's pet rabbit? I'll start the ball rolling, Robert the Rabbit. Does Robyn have a pet rabbit? No? Well who can suggest what pet he has or should have? Maybe RH has a pet Rabbyt, or even a goldfysh. How come you lot are all multi-global-syndi-techno-silico-computer operators? Does RH realise his fan base contains enough spods to go to the moon and back 32.432353235 times (at least thats what my calculator tells me)? Should he be writing more songs about operating systems and work stations etc? Can we start a thread on threads on threads? yours brilligly, CHriStian bUrnhAm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 20:57:25 +0000 To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu From: Jim Subject: dunno who I disagree with Somebody recently wrote something I very much disagree with, but I carelessly deleted it, so I don't know who it was. I shall make my point without personal reference. But whoever you were, consider yourself on the spiky and painful end of my wrath-stick. The offending suggestion was that the production on 'respect' is substandard. Nay, nay and thrice nay. Anyone who could possibly consider the big middle section of "Arthur Lee" as anything other than one of the greatest, most sumptuous, most positively ORCHESTRAL examples of top notch well-layered production of all time needs new ears, and possibly a new head - at least a fresh lightbulb. Plus I prefer the respect version of 'Arms of Love' to any others I've heard and feel the big keyboardy treatment works marvellously. If it turns out I am in a minority of one then I shall simply feel superior, safe in the knowledge that I alone have taste. Oh, another person I can't remember was the one who asked for the fegographics in the first place. If you've compiled a full list, I for one wouldn't mind seeing it. Charmingly dangerous ************ Jim Bower ** ******** ** * * * """" """" * ** (@) (@) * oh yez oh yez oh yez hear ye hear ye hear ye { ' ` } FREUD SQUAD CD 'IN A PREVIOUS LIFE' NOW OUT *l (oo) l* I AWAIT YOUR EMAIL REQUESTING A COPY l ' WITH UNFOUNDED OPTIMISM l )======( l l` ' l `________' l l ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 13:27:49 -0800 (PST) From: Miss Western Teen USA To: dennis Subject: Re: AN Idea > On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Terry Marks wrote: > > > Someone posted a while back about not being able to spot Fegs at RH > > concerts. Anyone want to try, perhaps, making big red "FEG" buttons? > > Perhaps a piece of toast with a scarlet 'f' on it. this might be a patch or t-shirt. the f could be of the same script form 'fegmania'. an idea, .chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 22:54:19 -0600 (CST) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" To: "Us...we wanna be some anglepoise lamps yeh!" Subject: Help Poor Andy! (nonRobyn) On Tue, 31 Oct 1995 sitting naked from the waist down at the Mighty Wurlitzer Organ, jh3@ns.cencom.net wrote: > By the way, for all of you who were speculating about Andy Partridge > producing Robyn, forget it! The conversation referred to in the liner notes > for "The Kershaw Sessions" took place years and years ago, and besides, Andy > Partridge probably asks just about every musician he meets if he can produce > them, because he's, well, SKINT. He's in a band that doesn't tour, won't do > soundtrack work, and has a record company that won't release their records > because they "can't hear any hit singles." (Sound familiar?) Also, XTC's > first manager ripped the band off so badly that they've hardly seen a cent > from their first eight or nine years of existence, and they've only released > 3 albums since then with no live work whatsoever. So Andy's only source of > revenue, other than meager royalties, is producing and playing on other > people's records. Hell, Dave Gregory has to drive a delivery truck just to > make ends meet (though I think he's also working on Martin "The Chills" > Phillips' new solo LP). And Colin Moulding has to do things like co-produce > singles by Sam Phillips with T-Bone Burnett. All this while the band is > trying desperately to detach themselves from their Virgin/EMI contract. So everyone should (a) buy _Testimonial Dinner_ the XTC tribute recording, and especially (b) request songs from it (as well as XTC tracks--as if!) from your local radio station: some of them, apparently, are playing Sarah McLachlan's version of "Dear God" and Crash Test Dummmies' of "All You Pretty Girls." I don't particularly care for either artist, but broadcast royalties are the best potential for money-making, so *let's make Andy rich!* (Of course, you could just airlift dollars, pounds, etc. directly to him.... By the way, James, what do you call NZ money? Well send some o' that!) --Jeff Jeffrey Norman "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee is fast and bulbous. Got me?" Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. e-mail: jenor@csd.uwm.edu --Captain Beefheart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 16:52:29 -0500 (EST) From: Bayard To: C.J.Burnham@physics.salford.ac.uk cc: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: threads On 1 Nov 1995 C.J.Burnham@physics.salford.ac.uk wrote: > Hey, I want to start a thread up on threads. Oh no, another Shirt post. > eg: > > What's the most tenuous link to RH you can get away with without others > on the list complaining? Oh, they're always complaining. Trouble is, once they post about it they would be hypocrites ;) > > Can you think up a name for Robyn's pet rabbit? I'll start the ball rolling, > Robert the Rabbit. How about Tibbar? or maybe Jupiter? Happy the Executioner? > > Does Robyn have a pet rabbit? No? Well who can suggest what pet he has or > should have? Well, he's always had the pace of a young Ig-u-wanna... > > How come you lot are all multi-global-syndi-techno-silico-computer operators? > Does RH realise his fan base contains enough spods to go to the moon and back > 32.432353235 times (at least thats what my calculator tells me)? Should > he be writing more songs about operating systems and work stations etc? "andWindowsNinetyFive blew....up......in....my.....hands!..." I'm thinking about posting my opinions on PV soon. Get ready, Aidan. :) ------------------------------ To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 17:09 CST From: Bret Subject: Re: Personals. At 02:35 AM 10/28/95 -0400, you wrote: >Look. >I love you all. >I don't, however, care what you do for a living, how old you are, or >whether or not you wear glasses. >*Please* Stop posting this to all of us. E-mail to whoever wanted the >information, please. > >Thank You. > >Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks >a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us > > this seems odd, from the collection that I have been gathering for the list/chart/whatever you were one of the first to send in a bio (which I micht add went out to the entire list. odd eh?? -----Bret ------------------------------ From: jimm@dbu.edu Date: Wed, 1 Nov 95 16:24:58 -0600 To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: RE: Hate and fanzines (was Positive Vibrations) John Jones wrote: ------------------------- >As a fan of zines, fan and otherwise, I must admit that the majority of >fanzines I have read are "the glass is full" type of zines. The people >writing them couldn't THINK of something negative to say about the >object(s) of their fandom, let alone put it into writing. It gets >boring >to read pages and pages of gushing superlatives after awhile. >I agree with some of their criticisms. For example, we are of the same >opinion about Respect- it was a disaster. Wonderful songs---horrid >production. > >But what I like most is that Aidan & Barb felt comfortable with taking a >critical look at Robyn and his music. They are able to tell you what >they >LOVE about Robyn and his discography. They are also able to tell you >what >they HATE. response: ------------- I'm right there with 'ya on the mags that can't say ANYTHING negative about an artist. But what I was referring to was a different matter. It wasn't as much that they didn't *like* Robyn's work--it was more the way that they expressed their dislike. Maybe I'm not used to such mean- spirited humor, but I thought there were many comments that seemed like mere put-downs--and not constructive criticism. That, to me, seemed unnecessary and tended to damper my enthusiasm as I read the piece. I wish I could give you an example, but I don't have anything here in front of me. Regarding *Respect* - I really disagree with you here. I do admit that it is somewhat uneven. But then many of us on this list think (as has come up on some recent threads) that on just about every album Robyn has put out there have been some, shall I say "less than stellar" tracks. But overall, I like *Respect* very much and I think it fits in nicely with his other material. Let me do it this way--I will grade each song on *Respect* as I think they match up with his other material in the categories of LYRICS, MELODY, and PRODUCTION.... I'll use the standard American grading scale... The Yip Song: lyrics 95, melody 95, production 95 - "A" Arms of Love lyrics 90, melody 98, production 95 (I like Kershaw version a lot, too) - "A" Moon Inside lyrics 91, melody 75, production 85 (not one of my faves, but it has its good bits) "B-" Railway Shoes lyrics 98, melody 100, production 98. Aidan hated it called it the worst song on the album. I think it has great emotional content..."A+" When I Was Dead lyrics 100, melody 100, production 100. Excellent! - "A+" Wreck of the Arthur Lee lyrics 75, melody 80, production 80. This song doesn't do much for me... "C+" Driving Aloud lyrics 95, melody 100, production 97. Excellent! "A+" Serpent... lyrics 100, melody 95, production 95. I liked this one too. "A" When You're Dust lyrics 75, melody 80, production 75. My least favorite track... But I could see how people could like this... has the same appeal as, say "Surgery". - "C" Wafflehead I don't want to rate this one because to me, this is more like a "novelty" song--it lacks the emotional and spiritual depth of the other songs on the album. It doesn't really "fit" here, in my opinion. I think he could have switched out "September Cones" for this and both would have fit nicely in their new environments. The one criticism I have for *Respect* is that it is too short. When I first listened to it I said--"That's IT?" And it has grown on me quite a bit. The production criticism really is strange to me, though. I think the arrangements for the most part are excellent--and the sound quality is superb. So, anyway, those are my two cents... Hope they have bored anyone out of their skulls. Beaker "but have you ever seen him get around to begin with?" Moore ------------------------------ From: bing@student.umass.edu Date: Wed, 01 Nov 1995 17:48:23 -0500 Subject: Re: dunno who I disagree with To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Amen to that. I consider the production on _Respect_ the best Hitchcock production ever! To me, the early albums have wonderful songs that suffer from mediocre production-- _Respect_ is beautifully produced. There are times when it's almost like a home made _Pet Sounds_ the way it layers sounds and uses orchestral arrangements-- very lush and warm. I think that, for me, it really demonstrates the versatility and talent of the Egyptians-- as well as the versatility of Robyn's songs. My favorite album, and much of that is because of the production. "maybe the Beach Boys have got you now" Bradley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Nov 1995 15:07:03 -0800 Subject: Re: AN Idea From: Tom Clark To: "prometheus" , "fegManiax" >but seriously fegs, if anyone is interested in any type of button (Robyn >or otherwise), i have acces to button making equipment. my friend sports >a beautiful toth button. drop me a personal line only please, so as not >to fill the fegpostings with unrelated shtuff. > >prometheus TOAST! -tc ************************************* * Tom Clark * Apple Computer, Inc. "Knowledge Is Good" * tclark@apple.com -Emil Faber * tclark@netgate.net * tclark@eworld.com * http://www.netgate.net/~tclark ************************************* [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] The End of this Fegmaniax Digest. 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