Fegmaniax Digest <==----------==> (Send posts to the list to fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu) (Send adminstrative commands to majordomo@nsmx.rutgers.edu) (Send comments, etc to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu) <==----------==> Volume 3 Number 160 Today's Topics: ------- ------ Re: FW: Wax Terry Marks. "Wax Terry Dolls" Free Terry Marks? Re: i'm new...... wax London appearance last night Re: i'm new...... Re: sexuality terry marks and internal vibration psychodelic?... Re: Free Terry Marks? Even more Leppo corrections Non album questions David Lewis and Peter Buck (fwd) MOR my conversion to oblivionism Re: David Lewis and Peter Buck (fwd) Stumps Appropriate date new feg Deep ! Re: MOR Robyn On VH1 UK Re: MOR[E] Re: MOR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:00:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" To: "Us...we wanna be some anglepoise lamps yeh!" Subject: Re: FW: Wax Terry Marks. On Tue, 17 Oct 1995, Winkworth, Nick SJ (secret subject of "If You Were a Priest") wrote: > (Selling YooHoo to minors? Excessive use of F#m?) SUPPORT THE STRIKING F# MINERS! --Jeff Jeffrey Norman "I feel that all movies should have University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee things that happen in them." Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. e-mail: jenor@csd.uwm.edu --TV's Frank ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 19:16:53 -0500 To: owner-fegmaniax@ns2.Rutgers.EDU From: gshell@metronet.com (Greg Shell) Subject: "Wax Terry Dolls" Instead of covering Terry with wax, which I'm sure would be uncomfortable unless of course we dipped him into a large container of molten wax and next day-aired him to somewhere like Muleshoe, Tx. during July or August, why don't we make 13 or 14 "Wax Terry Dolls" and place them in stretegic locations as a diversion so Terry can just just walk away during all the confusion. Regards, Gregory S. Shell Subversive Specialist System Analyst ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 95 21:14:54 EDT From: Daniel Ginsberg Subject: Free Terry Marks? To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Hell, if I wanted a Terry Marks don't ya think I'd go ahead and just buy one?! Pack up yer stuff and get offa my doorstep. Damn salesfolx. *grumble* ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 23:41:26 +0100 To: seanbe@microsoft.com From: Jim Subject: Re: i'm new...... Cc: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu >>hey there everyone >>i'm new to fegmaniax and i was wondering what goes on.... like what kind >>of age range, what topics you guys talk about, etc. >> >>please reply >>sharon winiarz > Welcome Sharon I'm one of several Jims and one of many guitarist-songwriters and englishpersons on the list, but what sets me apart is the fact that I experience time in the opposite direction, plus I'm slightly taller. The purpose of Fegmaniax is to swap interesting anecdotes about cheese, ostrich-shaped birthmarks, toast, etc, but of course general trouser-pressing-related tips are always welcome. Charmingly dangerous, ************ Jim Bower ** ******** ** * * * """" """" * ** (@) (@) * *Advertisement* { ' ` } Freud Squad CD almost available *l (oo) l* ........you KNOW you want one! l ' l )======( l l` ' l `________' l l ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:32:59 +1200 To: The veins of Her Majesty the Queen From: james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz (James Dignan) Subject: wax >>> But what is this thing Robyn has about wax? There's "wax on my body" in >>> "Railway Shoes" and...er...oh shit, there's definitely more but I can't >>> immediately think of any. > >perhaps in addition to posing as a recordstore clerk he was also a beautician >working heavily in electrolosis and the waxing of womens legs? what? You mean a "Man with a Woman's (5 o'clock) Shadow"??? James James Dignan, Department of Psychology, University of Otago. Ya zhivu v' 50 Norfolk St., St. Clair, Dunedin, New Zealand pixelphone james.dignan@stonebow.otago.ac.nz / steam megaphone NZ 03-455-7807 * "Toast For Terry". Send your donations of toast (*unused*) to: * The "Toast For Terry - Free Terry Marks" Campaign, * PO Box 17, * Honiton Clyst. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 04:38:48 +0100 (BST) To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu From: billpannifer@easynet.co.uk (billpannifer) Subject: London appearance last night Robyn played a short (30 min) but sweet acoustic set last night, Tues 17th, at the Splash Club, held at the back of the Water Rat pub on Grays Inn Rd near Kings Cross Station. The last minute appearance was unadvertised except for a mention by Robyn himself on a GLR (local radio) interview a few days back. He played between sets by the bands Dreamhouse and Nervous. The venue is a nicely atmospheric little room (max capacity 200 or so), pretty full, with a few tables and cushions on the floor near the stage for people to lounge on, curtains draping the walls, lots of those flickering electric pseudo-candles to light the place. Four other bands in all on the bill, with our man very much an appreciated "extra" rather than the reason people had come. Robyn wore his "lizard" shirt, looked somewhat dishevelled, and kept between-song talk to a minimum. Problems with his guitar amplification at the start added to the impromptu air. "Heaven" and "Dead" were the highlights for me. Setlist: De Chirico Street Devil's Radio City of Shame Heaven ("This is about being an addict"--of course!This never struck me before.) Silver Wands I Something You Only The Stones Remain ("This was a hit for Bobbie Gentry in 1967" !!) E: When I Was Dead Bill. PS. "Come on your stump"-- obscure cricket reference?? (Just a thought....) ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 1995 20:40:32 -0800 From: "Mark Gloster" Subject: Re: i'm new...... To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Reply to: RE>>i'm new...... >hey there everyone >i'm new to fegmaniax and ... >sharon winiarz *long boring self-aggrandizing post. Please do not drive or operate heavy machinery while readingzzzzzzzz...* Hello, good evening and welcome. I am right now taking a break from my laborious craft of alchemically forging geekoid fiberglass fruitonian brains of thinking devices out of merely sweat and blood. I have been banished to the west wing of the castle above the chamber of horrors wher Tom Clark slaps his chains in rhythm to the waxy beats of obscure poetic british musicians. I occasionally hear the screams of the agony (of pleasure perhaps) of my fellow detainees. I must stay here until the sleeping knights o' genius wake and slip on my railway shoes that may take me safely home. I lack the discipline to avoid discussions her about guitars, singing, songwriting, music business, Terry Marks paraphernalia (it's a long story), Glass Flesh (a tribute to Robyn Hitchcock by many up-and-coming brilliant new voices, fingers and fish of the next musical wave), and how all of this relates to ROBIN HITCHCOCK. I apparently have some difficulty resisting talking about: ME. I suffered the effects of about 30 credits/semester of the advanced Dorm Chemistry curriculum when I was in College (no, actually just UNR), so I did not graduate and was not able to pursue my studies to the graduate level in trilobytology and toastology. I did learn how to drink beverages that were on fire, though. I am somewhat male, though women have threatened my life for my long wavy hair, bespectacled, listen to stuff like: They Might Be Giants, King Crimson, Stan Ridgway, Oingo Boingo (they're breaking up -wah!), Martin Simpson and Frank Zappa. I was born in Nevada, but was able to give myself a Nevadectomy many years ago. I am recovering nicely. I imported much of my sense of humor and stoic presence from the British Isles, but they were extremely warped and twisted from the long boat ride here. I could not afford return postage, so I have had to put up with them. I write pretty cool songs, sing well (other people think I'm just talking though, sometimes), play guitar adequately, play keyboards as a hoofed animal might, but I fix my fortissimal keyboard mistakes via my trusty old Mac. I'll stop now, -Mark Gloster "Curb your shark" (Mark Gloster and Big Rubber Shark's debut CD _Monday's Lunch_ will be available in December, assuming proper planetary alignments and stuff like that.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 23:58:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: sexuality terry marks and internal vibration To: dwillem1@IC3.ITHACA.EDU Cc: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu > > Terry Marks: > > Well the Free Terry Marks convention went rather well. A bit somber, but > it fit the general mood. The pinnacle was when Robyn came out on stage > at the end and dedicated Mr. Deadly to Terry. Tears came to eyes when > everyone virtually chanted out the chorus (torchlights swaying in the > darkness of the evening): > > And all who hear him say > He must be further gone then they > And all who hear him say > He must be mad > To be himself > Around today No... actually it went And all who hear him say He must be further gone then they And all who hear him say He must be mad To be a me-e-e-e-e-llotron today Terry "Thinking that Mr. Deadly, The Devil's Coachman, Some Body and Falling Leaves are *very* underappreciated" Marks. ps I think that Some Body is great and Beatlesque. Does anyone agree? ------------------------------ Date: 17 Oct 1995 21:13:49 -0800 From: "Mark Gloster" Subject: psychodelic?... To: "feggies and beer" Subject: Time:8:46 PM OFFICE MEMO psychodelic?... Date:10/17/95 It seems in the press, Robyn's work is synonymous with the word psychedelic. I have tried to sort this out, but it always tends to irritate me just a little. RH even refers to his own work this way. Maybe he's just tired of saying, "please don't put me in that little box, just because you can't find any other ones that I'm small enough for." This is what kind of gets me. I was never into the psychedelia thing. Yea, it was hip here in the states and England in the sixties, but to me that wave has very little to do with Robyn's work. I understand that some of his influences were branded that way, but the Soft Boys and his other work could never be confused with the Jefferson Lawsuitplane and the Lizard King to me. Their work was also a great deal more consistant (and fun) than Lou (though he is incredible) Reed's stuff from the seventies. I guess I would have liked the label "alternative" better (before that meant Carpenters to Ministry to Wayne Newton singing through a leg hole of Sting's underpants). Morebabbleonfrombubbamark Here's the letter I left off from my last post: e (please use it wisely) Yea, college should not be capitalized when referring to a place in Nevada, even if it is the first word in a sentence. Sorry. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 00:45:40 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" To: "Us...we wanna be some anglepoise lamps yeh!" Subject: Re: Free Terry Marks? I'm sorry, but I prefer my towels clean. If I wanted marks on my terry cloth, I'd leave them dirty. --Jeff Jeffrey Norman "I was just exhausted University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee from the act of being polite" Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. e-mail: jenor@csd.uwm.edu --The Residents ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 1995 19:30:29 GMT From: hitlist@realres.demon.co.uk (Robert Ramsay) To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Even more Leppo corrections Firstly: Over the Andulusian extensions of the life and loves of Noddy through the windows of disgust the teeth 'Noddy' is a famous English children's character by Enid Blyton. If anyone really wants to know, I'll post followup. Suffice it to say he was nonsexual (Myriad rude jokes about his mate Big Ears to the contrary) and therefore had no loves. {It's just Lep-Lep-Leppo and the J-J-J-J-J-J-Jooves They jump on anything that M-M-M-M-M-Moves On taxis, coffin lids, Americans, piano heads, and rooves Leppo} I think we're about agreed on this. You'll realize that everything you do or see or think of if it interferes with nothing might as well dissolve in arrows or in tears The rest seems fine otherwise. -- Robert Ramsay ------------------------------ From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 03:06:28 -0400 To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Non album questions Is there a compiled list of the non album tracks for Globe of Frogs and after? I get the feeling I'm missing something... On an unrelated note, can anyone tell me if the 2 Bunnymen CD singles that were released AFTER Reverberation are worth having? Is Ian on them? They're called Prove Me Wrong, and Inside You Inside Me. Please direct answers to me, not the list BLATZMAN@aol.com Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:54:14 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin To: Brenda shovelling on the wurst Subject: David Lewis and Peter Buck (fwd) I hadn't intended to post this as it smacks of advertising (hi, Jim!), but I thought that those Peter Buck completists might want to know about the David Lewis CD, so they can ask David: when he last met Peter Buck, which way Peter pairs the strings on his 12-string, what kind of flange Peter uses, what breed of cat needs the most protection, etc ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 17:06:27 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin To: jimm@dbu.edu I have never been to Texas myself, but an old acoustic partner of mine performed a solo spot supporting RH in Austin this summer. His name is David Lewis and he has a CD out on an Austin-based label, possibly called DEJA (I only have a tape of it). I know that Peter Buck plays on one or two tracks, and another guy called (improbably) John Wesley Harding was also involved. Watch out for it - Mike! PS DEJADISC have a Devid Lewis page at: http://www.eden.com/~dejadisc/lewis.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:01:01 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin To: Brenda shovelling on the wurst Subject: MOR I was struck when reading the recent posting about Conan Doyle how keen he is on villainous names beginning with MOR. MORiarty we all know about, but I had forgotten Colonel MORan. J R R Tolkien has been criticised for having his bad guys come from the land of MORdor, which one critic said was obviously based on MURder, but I don;t think it is. Can any of you Lit and Lang fegs suggest what it is that is so MORbid, MORose, MORtifying and MORdant about this syllable? (signed) MORibund Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 1995 11:19:24 +0100 To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu From: Jim Subject: my conversion to oblivionism Forgive me father for I have sinned... 'Yes my son what is it?' I got drunk yesterday and found I really liked "You and Oblivion" after all. OK, it was my tape with all the songs I don't like edited out. But all that stuff I wrote about how crap it is was overstated. 'As pennance thou shalt sing three yip songs, three september coneses and a surgery.' Charmingly dangerous, ************ Jim Bower ** ******** ** * * * """" """" * ** (@) (@) * *Advertisement* { ' ` } Freud Squad CD STILL almost available *l (oo) l* ........you KNOW you want one! l ' l )======( l l` ' l `________' l l ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 15:36:25 +0100 (BST) From: Jonathan To: "Robyn's Nest" Word from the temporarily-blond Aidan Merritt, former editor of "Positive Vibrations" magazine is that he's handed over the reins of power to some other kindly souls. The new address for the magazine is: Positive Vibrations PO Box 41 63 Camden High Street London NW1 7JL Be nice to them (Carol and Kristina, I think they're called, though I may be wrong. Apparently one's in Canada and one's in Germany, heaven knows why they've got an address in London. Maybe Aidan is now reduced to running the post room after some bizarre readers' buy-out), previous issues weren't their fault. Latest rumour from AM is that he's heard that Surfer Ghost is due for a February 30th release. However, when I asked him which label it would be on, he didn't know, saying that "if they can't find a major it'll be on Julian Cope's label," so that release date is probably more hope than anything. Also, February 30th sounds like a bit of a dodgy date to me. Someone, somewhere is being wound up.... unless Aidan was told the 13th...or next year is a double leap. The new Kimberley Rew album is out, as "Rew and Leskanich" in the UK and "Katrina and the Waves" in the rest of the world, news again from AM. JT. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:16:50 -0500 (CDT) From: JAY LYALL Subject: Re: David Lewis and Peter Buck (fwd) To: hssmrg@bath.ac.uk Cc: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu >I have never been to Texas myself, but an old acoustic partner of mine >performed a solo spot supporting RH in Austin this summer. His name is >David Lewis and he has a CD out on an Austin-based label, possibly called >DEJA (I only have a tape of it). I know that Peter Buck plays on one or >two tracks, and another guy called (improbably) John Wesley Harding was >also involved. Watch out for it > Lewis and Harding (as opposed to Lewis and Martin) shared the same venue with Robyn at the last SXSW show, along with Marshal Crenshaw...pointless trivia jay %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Jay Lyall "Capy Toad Blast" "If you could free my inner child hist1a@jetson.uh.edu Then I could free your inhabitions." University of Houston --Lloyd Cole "I was born to cheese you." "If absence makes the heart grow fonder --Robyn Hitchcock Then I don't want to see you any more." --Replacements %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 11:25:34 -0500 (CDT) From: JAY LYALL Subject: Stumps To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Come on your stump....a quaint Kashmir curry made from the bark of lower Himilayan trees and a sublte mixture of cardamon, tumeric, and ghee served over toast....brought back to Northern England after the Mutiny it never made it to Southern England which imposed a strict embargo on the neccessary bark as part of the Corn Laws...the dish later evolved into the stump-n-mash of Ireland, the stump-n-trout of Wales, and the stump-n-gravel of Victorian London street urchins...today we call it crap... jay %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Jay Lyall "Capy Toad Blast" "If you could free my inner child hist1a@jetson.uh.edu Then I could free your inhabitions." University of Houston --Lloyd Cole "I was born to cheese you." "If absence makes the heart grow fonder --Robyn Hitchcock Then I don't want to see you any more." --Replacements %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 11:45:36 CDT From: The Freshmaker To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Appropriate date February 30th?!?!?!?!? Rather appropriate that the new Robyn album is scheduled to be released on a non-existent date, isn't it? :) Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 10:54:52 -0700 (PDT) From: prometheus To: veins of her majesty the queen elvis Subject: new feg hello all as we say in Belfast,"what about ya'?" but i am not from belfast, sorry. anyway, i am a veteran feg from california, who is new to the internet. i've been lurking the line for a week or so and have decided i like it here, well at least i like it better than a loaf of cheese piercing my skull with its tenatacles. i also thought it would be only polite to introduce myself, for brits are known for their politeness. but i am not british. i am a twenty one year old lightbulb, which makes me the oldest english speaking lightbulb in the world. i was conceived from my father's brain, not like an idea but like a piece of toast stuck in the toaster that must be prodded out with a knife, or some other stainless steel utensil, ever so carefully as to avoid electrocution. in my youth i had an identity crisis in which i had the notion that i was an anglepoise lamp. due to my schizophrenic affliction, i became a songwriter and household appliance (if you call a wanna-be lamp an appliance or a piece of furniture, i don't know). quite a proficient songwriter i was at that. so proficient was i that a young british fella whose name escapes me at the moment wrote a song about me out of respect and admiration, kind of like jesus doing a zarathustran tribute album. enough of that rubbish, prometheus (president of lightbulbs for the liberation of terry marks) ------------------------------ From: Ross Overbury To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu (The list that invented itself) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 95 14:33:31 EDT Subject: Deep ! >From Wax Doll: "Comment nuire strophe/but don't you know/this is the Home Counties" Robyn wonders ironically "how to damage a stanza", then offers an excuse for his awkward French. ... we're getting desperate again, aren't we? -- ROSS OVERBURY (or server boy) INTERNET: rosso@cn.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 14:42:44 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" To: "Us...we wanna be some anglepoise lamps yeh!" Subject: Re: MOR On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, the godlike genius of M R Godwin wrote: > > I was struck when reading the recent posting about Conan Doyle how keen > he is on villainous names beginning with MOR. MORiarty we all know about, > but I had forgotten Colonel MORan. J R R Tolkien has been criticised for > having his bad guys come from the land of MORdor, which one critic said > was obviously based on MURder, but I don;t think it is. Can any of you > Lit and Lang fegs suggest what it is that is so MORbid, MORose, MORtifying > and MORdant about this syllable? MOR? Threatening? Why? Well: Michael Bolton, Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson, Paula Abdul...oh god I can't go on. Now *that's* threatening and horrifying. Otherwise, I think you answered your own question. Although I might point out that "mordant" comes from "mordere" (Latin: to bite) rather than "mori" (Latin: to die). L'amort the merrier (or was that l'amour the marry 'er?) --Jeff "As long as I don't sleep, he decided, I won't shave.... Jeffrey Norman That must mean, he pursued the thought, University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee that as soon as I fall asleep, Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. I'll start shaving!" e-mail: jenor@csd.uwm.edu --Thomas Pynchon, _Vineland_ In my CD changer: Th Faith Healers _Lido_ The Boo Radleys _Wake Up!_ Flaming Lips _Clouds Taste Metallic_ Liquorice _Listening Cap_ Adult Net _Honey Tangle_ ------------------------------ From: tluk6@central.sussex.ac.uk (Marcus Slade) Subject: Robyn On VH1 UK To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 20:43:28 +0100 (BST) Somebody mentioned a hearing about Robyn on VH1 in America and wishing some music station would be enlightened enough to do a piece on him. I remember seeing a piece on a show called "Take It To The Bridge" on VH1 in the UK in probably April/May time where Robyn was actually interviewed, by a guy called Robert Sandall, about the upcoming reissue of all his old stuff. They even showed a small clip of the film of A Man With A Lightbulb Head (the only time i have ever seen any of this film!). At the end of the interview he was asked if he would come back an play sometim, which he said he would but i don't know if he ever did. If any other UK fegs remember seeing this they may be able to shed more light on it than i. Marcus Slade University Of Sussex, Brighton UK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 16:02:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard To: M R Godwin cc: Brenda shovelling on the wurst Subject: Re: MOR[E] On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, M R Godwin wrote: > I was struck when reading the recent posting about Conan Doyle how keen > he is on villainous names beginning with MOR. MORiarty we all know about, > but I had forgotten Colonel MORan. J R R Tolkien has been criticised for > having his bad guys come from the land of MORdor, which one critic said > was obviously based on MURder, but I don;t think it is. Can any of you > Lit and Lang fegs suggest what it is that is so MORbid, MORose, MORtifying > and MORdant about this syllable? Well, it beats workin'.... I peeked in the Webster's II and noted MOR comes from a couple of Latin roots. "moral" comes from moralis which comes from mos, or 'custom'. Morbid, moribund and moratory come from morbidius [diseased] moribundus [from the verb mori, to die] and Fr. moratiore > LLat moratorius, delaying] respectively. Well, you asked. I agree that Mordor isn't based on 'murder', one might as well assert it is based on mordant [bitingly sarcastic or painful.] ObRobyn: he ought to do a cover of Peter Gabriel's "Moribund the Burgermeister." with a diction addiction, bayard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 1995 13:42:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber To: M R Godwin Cc: Brenda shovelling on the wurst Subject: Re: MOR On Wed, 18 Oct 1995, M R Godwin wrote: > J R R Tolkien has been criticised for having his bad guys come from the land > of MORdor, which one critic said was obviously based on MURder, but I > don;t think it is. > Can any of you Lit and Lang fegs suggest what it is that is so MORbid, > MORose, MORtifying and MORdant about this syllable? > MORibund Mike Godwin The root of each of these words (except "mordant") comes from the Latin word _mors_ which means "death" (can also be used to mean "corpse"). The verb "to die" is _morior_. _Mortificare_ means "put to death". _Mors_ is not to be confused with the _mora_, which means "delay" or "hindrance" (from whence is derived "moratorium"). From _mors_ we get the following: morbid, morgue, moribund, morose, mortal, mortgage (literally "death pledge"), mortician, mortify, and mortuary. Some experts believe there is a relationship between the Latin _mors_ and the Greek _morphe'_ which means "dream" (or, more broadly, anything relating to sleep) or a form or apparition seen in dreams. There is not enough sufficient evidence to support this, however. Mordant, as well as its musical counterpart mordent, comes from the Latin _mordere_, "to bite". I've never read Tolkien, so I'm not sure if Mordor is closer in referencial meaning to bite than murder, but etymologically it is. Also, the Roman personification of Death was called Mors. There. I've had a chance to put my three years of Latin to good use. Vale, ***Quotation of the week:*** "Outside of a dog, a book is Glen E. Uber a man's best friend; inside of University of Washington a dog, it's too dark to read." Departments of Linguistics --Groucho Marx and Germanics Email: hirsute@u.washington.edu Voice Mail: 206.547.8936 [][][][][][][][] End of this Fegmaniax Digest. Archives can be found at ftp://fegmania.wustl.edu/fegmaniax/archives/ For administrative questions, send mail to owner-fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu For subscription requests, send mail to majordomo@nsmx.rutgers.edu. Slipping you the midnight fish...