Fegmaniax Digest <==----------==> (Send posts to the list to fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu) (Send adminstrative commands to majordomo@nsmx.rutgers.edu) (Send comments, etc to the listowner at owner-fegmaniax@nsmx.rutgers.edu) <==----------==> Volume 3 Number 149 Today's Topics: ------- ------ Trilobite Age Controversy - Compromise Looms? Re: Lyrics to Outtakes Album Re: Trilobite Age Controversy - Compromise Looms? Re: Trilobite Age Controversy - Compromise Looms? trilobiting Ultra Unbelievable Verdict RE: Lyrics to Outtakes Album Trilobites-Issue Settled! Re: Lyrics to Outtakes Album RE: Lyrics to Outtakes Album (butcher's) Re: Trilobites-Issue Settled! Perspex perplex... Re: Ultra Unbelievable Verdict Re: Ultra Unbelievable Verdict Re: Lyrics to Outtakes Album Re:toast Re: Ultra Unbelievable Verdict ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 12:55:51 +0100 (BST) From: M R Godwin To: The Can Opener Subject: Trilobite Age Controversy - Compromise Looms? My bid of 140 million was made in response to an earlier bid of 65 million, which we all agree is too low. I could be prepared to go up to 250 million, but 500 million sounds a bit high - virtually pre-Cambrian, I'd say. Could we strike a deal at 200-300 million? - Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 05:26:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Livia To: your mom Subject: Re: Lyrics to Outtakes Album i was just thinking about posting a message asking about butcher's. (kingdom of love was the final song in his set here the other night, which got me wondering about it again) i knew it had to be rhyming slang (i come from a long line of anglophiles), but i just couldn't figure it out. i didn't know butchers had hooks, so i kept trying to think of something like 'look' that would rhyme with block or knife or meat man, what a relief to have that mystery finally cleared up ------------------------------ From: Anna Wilson Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:12:47 +0100 To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Trilobite Age Controversy - Compromise Looms? I don't want to be pedantic, but ... trilobites appeared during the first half of the palaeozoic, which was between about 600 and 400 million years ago. They died out around 250 million years ago. I think. So everyone's right. One of those moods, Anna ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:39:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Miss Western Teen USA To: dennis Subject: Re: Trilobite Age Controversy - Compromise Looms? it seems there is a trilobite firestorm a-brewin'. in my previous post i read, and then wrote, dates from the wrong column... so here goes as a more complete definition as to the age of trilobites. our friends were mainly characteristic of the paleozoic era. this era encompassed time span from 245 to 570 millions of years ago. trilobites became extinct at the end of this era, so sad to say. i found no indication if our friends existed into the pre-cambrian era. i shall, in the future, endeavor to read the columns labeled 'millions of years ago', not those labeled 'duration of period in millions of years'. i hold my column in shame. my source for such information, both guided and misguided, is from Lane, N. Gary. 1992. "Life of the past." Macmillan Publishing: New York. (pp.10-11, 189-170) .chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 13:38:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Bayard To: dark fossilized frogs Subject: trilobiting the important thing to remember is that we human types will most likely turn into fossils a lot quicker than our little paleozoic pals. So enjoy it while it lasts! hey-- i heard peter buck has gotten wind of the soft bradley reunion tour (stipey was surfing with his aol account) and is cutting short his other obligations to be sure and intersect when his band is in the dc area. I think skaught and the boys are heading up this way too! word on the street is, Dolby and Sensible want to join in the fun (so if the Radio Flyer cuts loose you can have a spare keyboardist, and a spare-- well, a spare Sensible.) Perhaps someone should notify Mr Barrett as well? Hey, aren't there any other NJ/NY trilobites going to the maxwell's show? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 10:48:52 -0700 Subject: Ultra Unbelievable Verdict From: Tom Clark To: "fegManiax" OJ goes free and L.A. sleeps peacefully. ************************************* * Tom Clark * Apple Computer, Inc. "Knowledge Is Good" * tclark@apple.com -Emil Faber * tclark@netgate.net * tclark@eworld.com * http://www.netgate.net/~tclark ************************************* ------------------------------ From: "Winkworth, Nick SJ" To: Vyrna Knowl Subject: RE: Lyrics to Outtakes Album Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 11:02:00 PDT On: Monday, October 02, Terry inscribed >A long time ago (before I was here), someone asked if Kingdom of >Love was the only use of Cambridge rhyming slang in Robyn's >songs ("just to have a butcher's at your face"). To "have a butchers" (butchers' hook = look) is Cockney rhyming slang (the only kind, actually) which is from the East End of London (a true Cockney must be born "within the sound of Bow Bells" but that's another story.) Like many other expressions, this one became common parlance throughout the country (certainly in my school days (probably similar to RH)) and would be perfectly understandable to any Brit, hearing the song. Other examples well known (tho' less used in everyday speech): plates = feet ("plates of meat") apples = stairs ("apples and pears") There's other kinds of slang, of course, and slang changes from place to place and generation to generation, so it can be hard to get if it's heard out of context. (Not to mention references to people, TV shows or places you may not know) >I'm wondering if someone who is familiar with that version of the >language could look over the Can of Outtakes album, see if any of the >words make more sense that way. I don't have the album, but feel free to email me any questionable phrases and I'll be happy to give you my best guess at a translation. Nick ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 12:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Uber To: Underwater Moon-list Subject: Trilobites-Issue Settled! Ok. Once and for all. the final word on trilobites, takin from the summer 1995 edition of Grolier's Online Encyclopaedia. Hope this closes the book on this subject. Document 1 Article: trilobite Text: {try'-luh-byt} Trilobites are extinct marine arthropods whose fossils date from the early Cambrian to the end of the Permian Period, or about 600 million to 225 million years ago, although it is believed that the animals originated at least 100 million years before this date. There are 1,500 genera and more than 4,000 species classified as the Trilobita, which is recognized as either a subphylum or a class of the phylum Arthropoda. The trilobites' closest living relatives are spiders, crustaceans, and insects. The most commonly fossilized part of trilobites is the upper body covering or shell, made of calcium carbonate. The shell is divided into three longitudinal lobes--a raised central or axial lobe flanked by pleural lobes. Most trilobites are differentiated into three transverse sections: the head, or cephalon, the middle section, or thorax, and the tail, or pygidium. The head consisted of fused segments forming a rigid shell and usually bore eyes and antennae. The mouth was located at the back end of the head behind the stomach, and leglike appendages of the head passed food forward to the mouth. The thorax was flexible, and most trilobites were capable of curling their bodies for protection, like modern sow bugs. The tail was fused and rigid. The trilobite body consisted of several segments bearing branched, jointed, leglike appendages that were rarely fossilized. Like other arthropods, they grew by molting the external shell. Trilobites probably were predators and scavengers. They lived throughout a range of marine environments worldwide and burrowed in sands and mud, scurried on the seafloor, and drifted, or perhaps actively swam through the oceans. Most trilobite fossils are between 2 and 7 cm (3/4 and 2 3/4 in) long, but specimens have ranged from 6 mm (1/4 in) to 75 cm (30 in). Between 600 and 500 million years ago they were the most abundant and diverse animals on Earth, but they underwent a dramatic decrease at the end of the Cambrian. The numbers of trilobite species did increase again, but they never attained the preeminence they once had. Their fossils are used by paleontologists to determine the relative ages of different rocks as well as to reconstruct ancient marine environments. In addition, studies of trilobites have provided important insights into understanding evolution. Bruce Lieberman Biblio: Bibliography: Bergstrom, J., Organization, Life and Systematics of Trilobites (1973); Brusca, R. and G., Invertebrates (1990); Eldredge, N., "An Extravagance of Species," Natural History, July 1980; Levi-Setti, R., Trilobites (1975); Tasch, P., Paleobiology of the Invertebrates, 2d ed. (1980); Whittington, H. B., The Burgess Shale (1985). Copyright notice: Copyright by Grolier Electronic Publishing, Inc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Beers to You, Glen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 15:36:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Jeffrey with 2 f's Jeffrey" To: "Us...we wanna be some anglepoise lamps yeh!" Subject: Re: Lyrics to Outtakes Album On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, sitting naked from the waist down at the Mighty Wurlitzer Organ, Terry Marks wrote: > A long time ago (before I was here), someone asked if Kingdom of Love was > the only use of Cambridge rhyming slang in Robyn's songs ("just to have a > butcher's at your face"). Though I get the general drift of this line, could someone translate? What, exactly, is "Cambridge rhyming slang"? Is is similar to Cockney rhyming slang? Differences etc.? Ya dere, ain'a hey (Milwaukeean for "yes, mm-mm" approximately) --Jeff Jeffrey Norman "Watson! Something's afoot... University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee and it's on the end of my leg." Dept. of English & Comp. Lit. --Sherlock Holmes, in some e-mail: jenor@csd.uwm.edu Firesign Theatre skit, I think... In my CD changer: Replacements _Tim_ Soft Boys _1976-1981_ Tom Verlaine _Dreamtime_ U2 _Achtung Baby_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 17:48:22 -0400 (EDT) From: roLLerCOasTEr boy To: Fegmaniax List Subject: RE: Lyrics to Outtakes Album (butcher's) geez, i'd always thought it was: i would ramble all through time and space just to have the butchers at your face this slang thing changes the meaning A LOT! doug (who despite his best efforts was unable to avoid hearing the verdict) (which actually seems ON the topic of my original interpretation!) __/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__==the=roLLerCOasTEr=boy= = ...nous devons cultiver notre jardin... = = INET:dmayowel@access.digex.net AOL:DougMhyphW Compu$erve:102432,355 = = visit the pathetic caverns! http://www.access.digex.net/~dmayowel = ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 18:02:07 -0400 (EDT) From: roLLerCOasTEr boy To: Fegmaniax List Subject: Re: Trilobites-Issue Settled! On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Glen Uber wrote: > Ok. Once and for all. the final word on trilobites, takin from the summer > 1995 edition of Grolier's Online Encyclopaedia. > > > Trilobites are extinct marine arthropods whose fossils date from the > early Cambrian to the end of the Permian Period, or about 600 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > million to 225 million years ago, although it is believed that the > animals originated at least 100 million years before this date. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ so the little buggers are pre-cambrian after all! is pre-cambrian the period when the mud was wrong so there are just terribly few (if any) fossils about? i think it might be. doug ------------------------------ From: cbrady@mail.millikin.edu Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 16:29:04 cst To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Perspex perplex... Hello I am new to the list, but a big fan nonetheless. If this is an appropriate posting, I would like to know if anyone out there has lyrics to the album "Perspex Island" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 18:27:45 -0400 From: beach house tiki god To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Ultra Unbelievable Verdict Tom Clark sez: >OJ goes free and L.A. sleeps peacefully. in the hall of legalized murder... +w ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 17:16:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Terry Marks Subject: Re: Ultra Unbelievable Verdict To: Tom Clark Cc: fegManiax Written by: Terry "The Human Mellotron" Marks a013645t@bcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Tom Clark wrote: > OJ goes free and L.A. sleeps peacefully. Yeah, but I still say that they should've nailed him down for it.. ------------------------------ From: Mike Hardaker To: "'Fegmaniax!'" Subject: Re: Lyrics to Outtakes Album Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 01:39:54 +-200 A 'butchers' is not Cambridge slang, but Cockney (rhyming) slang. >From 'butcher's hook' == 'look' Mike ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:32:45 -0500 (EST) From: Tracy Copeland Subject: Re:toast To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Retoast? On Fri, 29 Sep 1995, Terry Marks wrote: > > he changed the last lines of "the devils coachman" to (something like): > > "yesterday I saw the devil in our bed > > I want to kill him but I'm English so > > I went to the kitchen and I made him toast" > Has someone notifyed the Toast Goddess of this? > No need. I _am_ omniscient within my sphere. I first saw Hitchcock in concert on the Queen Elvis tour. I barely knew his work; I'd heard three or four songs but was really just tagging along with friends. Poi Dog Pondering opened, and their pennywhistle was giving me a headache, but they played a song that went "Sunny side up, sausage, toast, and jelly" so I forgave them. "That almost sucked," I said during the intermission. "Maybe this [checking the ticket stub] Robyn Hitchcock guy will be better." Hitchcock came out for the first song of the night, fluttering his eyelashes and staring at a spot fifteen feet up on the back wall, and sang "The Devil's Coachman." I remember the lyrics as "Yesterday I saw the devil in her bed; I could have strangled him - I'm English, though, so I made him coffee and I made him toast." On the word "toast" all the lights went down and I was won over. I had all of the officially released albums by the end of the summer and became a frequent customer in used record stores throughout Indiana trying to track down _Underwater Moonlight. (I know, now you can get it at Best Buy, but this was back in the old days when we didn't have Rykodisc reissues and people only got toast on Sundays. A clerk at one of the stores finally taped his copy for me.) I still think this was the best Hitchcock concert of the seven I've seen; if anyone has a tape of it (6/27/89, I think) and is willing to set up a trade, please write to me. Tracy Copeland the feg list's #1 toast-modern artist yeah. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 22:59:04 -0400 From: mikeb@usa1.com (Mike Breen) To: fegmaniax@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Ultra Unbelievable Verdict >>OJ goes free and L.A. sleeps peacefully. > >in the hall of legalized murder... Please _don't_ get me started. I'm p*ssed off enough as it is... ---Mike (THIS SPACE UNDER CONSTRUCTION) Check out the Other Days home page at http://www1.usa1.com/~mikeb/odays.html mikeb@usa1.com mikester@bix.com [][][][][][][][] End of this Fegmaniax Digest. 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