From Jim.Davies@prg.ox.ac.uk Tue May 18 08:58:40 1993 Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 May 93 08:21:35 -0400 Via: uk.ac.oxford.prg; Tue, 18 May 1993 11:43:53 +0100 Received: from prg.ox.ac.uk (pierrot.comlab) by prg.oxford.ac.uk id AA01034; Tue, 18 May 93 11:43:27 +0100 Received: by prg.ox.ac.uk (4.1/prg3.1) id AA01477; Tue, 18 May 93 12:04:35 BST Date: Tue, 18 May 93 12:04:35 BST From: Jim.Davies@prg.ox.ac.uk Message-Id: <9305181104.AA01477@pierrot.comlab.prg.ox.ac.uk> To: rsutton@microsoft.com Cc: fegmaniax@gnu.ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: Robert Sutton's message of Mon, 17 May 93 10:37:37 PDT <9305171737.AA17664@netmail.microsoft.com> Subject: New Captain Sensible... i picked up a copy of the album on cd yesterday (i can probably find another if anyone needs one). it's called the universe of geoffrey brown. my first impression = out-takes from revolution now. my second impression = extended version of coward of treason cove. my third impression = hawkwind. my fourth = women and captain's first! mr newell scripts the interludes and sings backing awry. i think that the album was recorded a couple of years ago, but has been hidden under contracts, paperwork, and writs. it's not a masterpiece, but it may be a treasure. we're talking concepts, we're talking sincerity, we're talking guitars. yours helpfully jim --> there are more snakes than ladders From keb@u.washington.edu Tue May 18 11:13:47 1993 Received: from carson.u.washington.edu by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 May 93 11:13:47 -0400 Received: by carson.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA12887; Tue, 18 May 93 08:13:43 -0700 Sender: keb@carson.u.washington.edu Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 08:11:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "K. Lena Bennett" Subject: Wafflehead sexual, not sexist To: society of dark birds In-Reply-To: <9305180600.AA03311@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=us-ascii What's sexist about expressing your appreciation for a partner of your preferred gender-object-orientation in a graphic manner? Just because it mentions body parts (in a delightfully original metaphoric manner, may I add)? Come on, "I love your mind" isn't completely honest, now, is it? Lena keb@u.washington.edu "I'm not above cliches tonight...." -- Scott Miller From @mitvma.mit.edu:REWOICC@ERENJ.BITNET Tue May 18 12:24:38 1993 Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 May 93 12:24:38 -0400 Message-Id: <9305181624.AA06578@wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Received: from MITVMA.MIT.EDU by mitvma.mit.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1871; Tue, 18 May 93 12:24:43 EDT Received: from ERENJ.BITNET by MITVMA.MIT.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 5293; Tue, 18 May 93 12:24:42 EDT Received: from ERENJ (REWOICC) by ERENJ.BITNET (Mailer R2.05) with BSMTP id 6326; Tue, 18 May 93 12:24:12 EDT Date: Tue, 18 May 93 12:12:04 EDT From: woj Subject: Re: Wafflehead sexual, not sexist To: "K. Lena Bennett" , society of dark birds In-Reply-To: Your message of Tue, 18 May 1993 08:11:39 -0700 (PDT) lena say: >What's sexist about expressing your appreciation for a partner of your >preferred gender-object-orientation in a graphic manner? nothing at all. "agony of pleasure" is the same kind of thing as "waffle- head." when i first listened to the album, "wafflehead" just struck a weird note in me that i have never been able to recapture and which i really can not explain...i guess it seemed to be more objectifying than celebratory that first time i heard it. it's a bit cruder and more obvious than "agony of pleasure" as well, which doesn't necessarally turn my cranks. i prefer a subtler and more insidious approach. i listened to _repsect_ again last night after ignoring it for a few weeks, partly in response to eeyore's query about what people think of the album and partly cos it is one of the cds that has not been packed in light of my impending move to a new apartment. i still don't like the arrangements on "the moon inside" or "arms of love" too much and i've still not completely absorbed the impact of all the songs either, but i still like the album, re- gardless. i really don't see the criticism that the lyrics are less dense or easier to understand. granted, they are less cryptic, but they are still fairly confusing and his wordplay/word selection is still in form. i like the change in musical style from the last few albums - i don't think it was planned or concocted and, while it's not exactly trail-breaking, it's cer- tainly a nice change for the egyptians. and yet, i don't find myself going ga-ga over it like i expected i would. most of that i attribute to my changing tastes in music, but some of it must come down on robyn's shoulders too. i just haven't figured out what it is about _respect_ that i can blame. +woj From keb@u.washington.edu Tue May 18 12:40:07 1993 Received: from carson.u.washington.edu by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 May 93 12:40:07 -0400 Received: by carson.u.washington.edu (5.65/UW-NDC Revision: 2.22 ) id AA12651; Tue, 18 May 93 09:40:05 -0700 Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 09:35:03 -0700 (PDT) From: "K. Lena Bennett" Sender: "K. Lena Bennett" Reply-To: "K. Lena Bennett" Subject: RE question, how do you like _Respect_ To: society of dark birds In-Reply-To: <9305181624.AA03878@bashful.u.washington.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii I like the album, would call it "quite good," but not "wonderful." The songwriting is strong, but nothing that grabs the inside of my heart and makes my fingers tingle like much of _Eye_ and _Queen Elvis_ do for me. I think it's a more subtle, more emotional, less pyrotechnic album (I'm thinking more in terms of lyricism here than other aspects, I guess), for listening in those quiet moments (except for the Yip Song, which I would sing at the top of my lungs while barreling down a hill on my bicycle). I got turned on to RH a bit late in his career and have been pursuing his albums in a completely random order, chronologically. I recently found a copy of _Groovy Decoy_ used and I'm wondering what RH fans think of it -- frankly, I don't like it very much upon the first few listens.... I think the production is very out of touch with what I expect and want RH to be (e.g., too many horns, overblown David Bowie vocal stylings -- I hate David Bowie). Sometimes it's taken some of his albums a while to grow on me. Should I keep trying with this one (that is, is there some deep appreciability to this one), or just give up now and listen to the ones I *do* like....? By the way, about "Agony of Pleasure," I really appreciate that song because no one, no one in the world, could describe so viscerally the fleshly aspects of this condition of being in a body that we humans so often pretend to ignore. It's not *comfortable*, but certainly enlightening :) Lena keb@u.washington.edu "I'm not above cliches tonight...." -- Scott Miller From searles@emily.emba.uvm.edu Tue May 18 15:30:13 1993 Received: from emily.emba.uvm.edu by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 May 93 15:30:13 -0400 Received: by emily.emba.uvm.edu id AA27732 (5.65/1.07); Tue, 18 May 1993 15:30:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 15:30:21 -0400 From: searles@emily.emba.uvm.edu (Brad) Message-Id: <199305181930.AA27732@emily.emba.uvm.edu> To: fegmaniax@gnu.ai.mit.edu unsub discuss From THOMASSON@CHEERS.gs.com Tue May 18 16:34:43 1993 Received: from camb.com by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 May 93 16:34:43 -0400 Received: from gs.com by camb.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #4085) id <01GYBSN235Q895NUEW@camb.com>; Tue, 18 May 1993 16:34:01 EDT Received: from DECnet-Mail (THOMASSON@CHEERS) by gs.com (PMDF #2348 ) id <01GYBS7QNOYO8Y5GK6@gs.com>; Tue, 18 May 1993 16:33:15 EDT Date: Tue, 18 May 1993 16:33:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Where are the Prawns? Subject: lyric queries To: fegmaniax@gnu.ai.mit.edu Message-Id: <01GYBS7QNOYQ8Y5GK6@gs.com> Organization: Goldman, Sachs & Co. X-Vms-To: @SYS$LOGIN:FEGMANIAX Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT sorry to bang on with lyrics queries (are these kept anywhere? if not i'd think about offering to administer the list's own set of lyrics) but "sometimes i wish i was a pretty girl, so i could ????? myself in the shower" is it wreck or rape? about sandra, a friend, who hopefully will be joining the list in two weeks when he gets internet access, suggests "crimpolene linen". doesn't make much sense but that's never stopped robyn before. p+l josh@babylon ps have you all heard about the new syd barrett boxed set? - 3 albums + bonus tracks called "wyld stallyun" or "crazyt diamond" or something. From ruppen@QAL.Berkeley.Edu Tue May 18 17:35:29 1993 Received: from nettlerash.Berkeley.EDU by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 May 93 17:35:29 -0400 Received: from snowy.QAL.Berkeley.EDU by nettlerash.berkeley.edu (5.67.1/1.34.6) id AA23622; Tue, 18 May 93 14:34:01 -0700 Received: from henry.qal.berkeley.edu by snowy.qal.berkeley.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3.10) id AA03031; Tue, 18 May 93 14:29:32 PDT Date: Tue, 18 May 93 14:29:32 PDT From: ruppen@QAL.Berkeley.Edu (Andy Ruppenstein) Message-Id: <9305182129.AA03031@snowy.qal.berkeley.edu> To: fegmaniax@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: ...in the shower? josh @ babylon asks: >"sometimes i wish i was a pretty girl, so i could ????? myself in the shower" >is it wreck or rape? I won't venture a solid answer on that one, but in various live shows he has clearly said "wreck", "rape" and "whoop". They're more written in jello than stone. Andy From Jemiah.Levon.Jefferson@altosax.reed.edu Tue May 18 18:22:09 1993 Received: from dharma.reed.edu by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 May 93 17:15:39 -0400 Received: from 134.10.2.28 by dharma.reed.edu (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.21) id ; Tue, 18 May 93 14:15 PDT Message-Id: <13011@altosax.reed.edu> Date: 18 May 93 14:06:57 PDT From: Jemiah.Levon.Jefferson@altosax.reed.edu (Jemiah Levon Jefferson) Subject: wafflehead sexist?? To: fegmaniax@gnu.ai.mit.edu (society of dark birds) I don't find "w" particularly sexist, just weird, man. I find I tend to give those given to Satyricall Noodleinggs like he the benefit of the doubt. When he played "wafflehead" in Portland he mumbled something about Barry White and Andrew Dice Clay... I dunno -- how seriously do you take Robyn's lyrics at face value? Is it even possible? He seems like he writes sort of internal off the cuff incoherencies, and God knows even I, a member of just about every oppressed social group besides Orthodox Jews and folks with three heads, am not entirely PC when I'm just thinking or writing to myself. I bet he was fun to party with in Cambridge, though. Goodbye Dave R! nice cybernetting with ya. eeyore From seven@dbis.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de Tue May 18 14:46:36 1993 Received: from milano.dbis.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de by wookumz.gnu.ai.mit.edu (5.65/4.0) with SMTP id ; Tue, 18 May 93 14:46:36 -0400 Received: by dbis.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (Smail3.1.28.1 #9) id m0nvWhi-0001CDC; Tue, 18 May 93 20:47 MESZ Message-Id: From: seven@dbis.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de (Susan Johanna Even) Subject: Re: Wafflehead sexual, not sexist To: keb@u.washington.edu Date: Tue, 18 May 93 20:47:58 MESZ Cc: fegmaniax@gnu.ai.mit.edu In-Reply-To: ; from "K. Lena Bennett" at May 18, 93 8:11 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.30] > What's sexist about expressing your appreciation for a partner of your > preferred gender-object-orientation in a graphic manner? Just because it prior to the release of _Respect_ [sic], the (most offensively) sexist award (in my opinion) belonged to this line from Black Snake Diamond Rock: she's a woman every time (well, it certainly sounds harmless when taken out of context, but...) now, with _Respect_ [sic], Robyn's gone and shot himself with this (even more offensive) line from Waffelhead: where everybody leave their bone and he's even gone and printed it. though it does seem intentionally sexist to me, with its "just step up those stairs, baby" intro. I think there's a big difference between being (sexually) turned on by someone versus treating them like a bimbo in public. susan p.s. Agony of Pleasure is one of my all-time faves. There is no comparison...