From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V7 #53 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Wednesday, March 24 2004 Volume 07 : Number 053 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: PA shows ["Ron Rosen" ] Re: Loud and Annoying People ["Lonnie Hovis" ] Re: Loud and Annoying People [Ellen Buckley ] Re: Loud and Annoying People ["Jennifer Kirkby" ] Re: Loud and Annoying People ["Jennifer Kirkby" ] Re: Loud and Annoying People [Paul Sabourin ] Re: Loud and Annoying People ["jen studt" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 23:12:33 -0800 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: PA shows > Don't mean to alienate hippies; speaking as a performer myself, some of > my favorite fans are hippies. :-) But there's a sociopathy > (sociopathology?) on the part of the "I'm dancing right here right now > and I don't care if it's bothering anyone or appropriate to the venue" Of course, Paul, you didn't mean that to apply to a topless hippie chick with huge boobs, right? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:49:50 -0500 From: "Lonnie Hovis" Subject: Re: Loud and Annoying People Nope, you'd be sadly wrong (I bet that happens alot, if you like making randomly strange guesses at things) about how I'd react and even what sex I am :) Yes, it was a bit tongue-in-cheek, as the last poster alluded to. And you don't always pay for just a seat, you pay for the space in front of it, unless it's like chamber music or something. And it comes off as pretty whiny when you complain about someone dancing and enjoying the show. You pay your money to see a concert, not just to look at the band from a comfy chair, that's what DVDs are for. And, if I feel like I'll be dancing (applies more to my girlfriend) more than sitting on my hands watching the show, I do get lawn seats if that's available. I never said I liked to be obnoxious, just that it's good for people to be exposed to a little now and then, especially up-tight people :) And I never talk over the band, unless it's to tell you to shut up and listen :) Happily, EFO fans are (normally) a bit more laid back and fun and the band encourages folks to dance and have fun. Besides the great harmonies, that's probably why they are so popular. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Kirkby" > I bet Lonnie thinks obnoxiousness is good for other people but is the first > to be "offended" when something happens to her by a rude, obnoxious person. > I paid my money to see the band I don't think I need to have my evening > ruined because - obnoxiousness is good for me. There are plenty of people > out there that will be jerks for free. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 07:50:19 -0500 From: Ellen Buckley Subject: Re: Loud and Annoying People On Wednesday, March 24, 2004, at 06:49 AM, Lonnie Hovis wrote: > > Yes, it was a bit tongue-in-cheek, as the last poster alluded to. And > you > don't always pay for just a seat, you pay for the space in front of it, > unless it's like chamber music or something. And it comes off as > pretty > whiny when you complain about someone dancing and enjoying the show. > You > pay your money to see a concert, not just to look at the band from a > comfy > chair, that's what DVDs are for. And, if I feel like I'll be dancing > (applies more to my girlfriend) more than sitting on my hands watching > the > show, I do get lawn seats if that's available. I never said I liked > to be > obnoxious, just that it's good for people to be exposed to a little > now and > then, especially up-tight people :) And I never talk over the band, > unless > it's to tell you to shut up and listen :) > Happily, EFO fans are (normally) a bit more laid back and fun and the > band > encourages folks to dance and have fun. Besides the great harmonies, > that's > probably why they are so popular. I think what's missing from this discussion is a discrimination between the types of venues. If you're going to mostly bar and outdoor amphitheater-type venues, then of course you expect to see people up and moving around during a show. If you're in a theater or church hall or someplace like that... not so much. These days, EFO are playing less of the former and more of the latter, because they actually prefer sit-down venues where people are paying attention to the music (I forget who it was that told me that; I asked why they didn't play places like ___ anymore and that was the answer). So if you're seeing them at the Gordon Center, it's a lot different from seeing them at Philly Folk Festival. That said, Lonnie, from what you said above ("You pay your money to see a concert, not just to look at the band from a comfy chair") it sounds like your "We should be able to enjoy the show in our own way" principle only applies to you getting up and dancing and not to the people whose idea of enjoying the show *is* in fact, sitting in a comfy chair and listening to the band. To each his or her own, right? The people who want to sit and still be able to see the band have just as much right to be there as the person who wants to get up and dance. If the prevailing behavior seems to be sitting, then you're in a sitting crowd and it is kind of rude to get up and block other people's views. Which comes back to the type of venue, I guess. It sounds (from your mention of lawn seats) like you tend to go to the shows at places like Wolf Trap/Merriweather Post and not the Birchmere. And it would be pretty uncool to get up and dace at the Birchmere, since you'd, like, trip the waitstaff and stuff. And while it is good for people to be "exposed to a little now and then," it's really not your job to decide what, or when. ;) I personally don't understand why no one dances in the pavilion of the Filene Center (people dance in the pavilions of all of the other amphitheaters I've been to), and I really wish they would, because I don't like sitting on the lawn anymore (but I still like to dance). But that's my weird preference. *shrug* If I want to dance at the Filene Center, I go out to the lawn, rather than block the view of the person sitting behind me. They paid for their ticket, too. peace, ellen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:25:38 -0500 From: "Jennifer Kirkby" Subject: Re: Loud and Annoying People EFO fans do not have the luxury of watching the bands performance on a DVD. I am sure there are other people like me that if they pay their money to see EFO that is what they want to see. If you feel the need to get up and dance (and the rest of the crowd is sitting) move to the side. The best place I ever saw EFO was at the Sheldon Theater in St. Louis, MO. One guy danced (really weird) dances through the entire concert but his seat was the very last seat in a row, he was nice and quite and he did not bother anyone. The tickets for that concert were $45 each and the crowd was filled with college kids so I really did not know what to expect (since that was also my first time of seeing EFO) but everyone in the audience really just wanted to watch the band perform. Now after seeing EFO in different venues I do notice that fans of EFO generally want to watch the performance and it is the people coming in that are not overly familiar, or even familiar, with the band or their music that tend to be the ones that are disrespectful. One time I saw them in a bar setting and the tickets were cheap $10 and there were several people there because of the bars reputation for live music. This one women interupts them from going into a new song and says "Do you know Jimmy Buffet?" Mike, Julie, and Robbie kind of look at one another and she says "No, I am serious - Do you know if Jimmy Buffet listens to your music?" everyone still a little dumbfounded she says "Well, I think if Jimmy Buffet knew who you are he would send you guys far." Julie, just said thank you and moved on. Mike Clem ended up making fun of her the rest of the night because of her drunkness and since she was in the very front row would stand up and spontaneously dance. Mike's humiliations finally brought her under control. Plus it was funny for everyone in the audience - except probably her! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:28:51 -0500 From: "Jennifer Kirkby" Subject: Re: Loud and Annoying People EFO fans do not have the luxury of watching the bands performance on a DVD. I am sure there are other people like me that if they pay their money to see EFO that is what they want to see. If you feel the need to get up and dance (and the rest of the crowd is sitting) move to the side. The best place I ever saw EFO was at the Sheldon Theater in St. Louis, MO. One guy danced (really weird) dances through the entire concert but his seat was the very last seat in a row, he was nice and quite and he did not bother anyone. The tickets for that concert were $45 each and the crowd was filled with college kids so I really did not know what to expect (since that was also my first time of seeing EFO) but everyone in the audience really just wanted to watch the band perform. Now after seeing EFO in different venues I do notice that fans of EFO generally want to watch the performance and it is the people coming in that are not overly familiar, or even familiar, with the band or their music that tend to be the ones that are disrespectful. One time I saw them in a bar setting and the tickets were cheap $10 and there were several people there because of the bars reputation for live music. This one women interupts them from going into a new song and says "Do you know Jimmy Buffet?" Mike, Julie, and Robbie kind of look at one another and she says "No, I am serious - Do you know if Jimmy Buffet listens to your music?" everyone still a little dumbfounded she says "Well, I think if Jimmy Buffet knew who you are he would send you guys far." Julie, just said thank you and moved on. Mike Clem ended up making fun of her the rest of the night because of her drunkness and since she was in the very front row would stand up and spontaneously dance. Mike's humiliations finally brought her under control. Plus it was funny for everyone in the audience - except probably her! Lonnie wrote: Nope, you'd be sadly wrong (I bet that happens alot, if you like making randomly strange guesses at things) about how I'd react and even what sex I am :) Yes, it was a bit tongue-in-cheek, as the last poster alluded to. And you don't always pay for just a seat, you pay for the space in front of it, unless it's like chamber music or something. And it comes off as pretty whiny when you complain about someone dancing and enjoying the show. You pay your money to see a concert, not just to look at the band from a comfy chair, that's what DVDs are for. And, if I feel like I'll be dancing (applies more to my girlfriend) more than sitting on my hands watching the show, I do get lawn seats if that's available. I never said I liked to be obnoxious, just that it's good for people to be exposed to a little now and then, especially up-tight people :) And I never talk over the band, unless it's to tell you to shut up and listen :) Happily, EFO fans are (normally) a bit more laid back and fun and the band encourages folks to dance and have fun. Besides the great harmonies, that's probably why they are so popular. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:05:53 -0500 From: Paul Sabourin Subject: Re: Loud and Annoying People Well, you also pay for the space behind your seat, so that would be me and my "sitting on our hands" friends behind you throwing popcorn and chicken bones at you after you've been politely asked three times to stop blocking our view, stepping on our blanket, and dancing through "Minnesota 1945" and "Abraham". After all, it's good for people to be exposed to a little obnoxiousness now and then. :-) Actually, all is generally forgiven, because (assuming my 2-minute Google search is correct), Lonnie is a DC United fan, so he can't be all bad. Paul. At 06:49 AM 3/24/2004 -0500, Lonnie wrote: Yes, it was a bit tongue-in-cheek, as the last poster alluded to. And you don't always pay for just a seat, you pay for the space in front of it, unless it's like chamber music or something. And it comes off as pretty whiny when you complain about someone dancing and enjoying the show. You pay your money to see a concert, not just to look at the band from a comfy chair, that's what DVDs are for. And, if I feel like I'll be dancing (applies more to my girlfriend) more than sitting on my hands watching the show, I do get lawn seats if that's available. I never said I liked to be obnoxious, just that it's good for people to be exposed to a little now and then, especially up-tight people :) And I never talk over the band, unless it's to tell you to shut up and listen :) Happily, EFO fans are (normally) a bit more laid back and fun and the band encourages folks to dance and have fun. Besides the great harmonies, that's probably why they are so popular. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:21:30 +0000 From: "jen studt" Subject: Re: Loud and Annoying People Thanks Scott, I'm only loud and annoying at sporting events - ha ha. Jen - who was told to sit down at the Clay Aiken show by a woman in her mid-forties who wasn't even sitting directly behind me. I just said, "Hey, I'm 5 '1" - and the people around me congratulated me to "Standing Up" for myself! >Boy, THAT looks bad... I just realized I tagged on to the "Re:"-line >above: "Loud and Annoying People"... > >For the record: Jen is anything BUT loud OR annoying. <*sheepish >grin*> (demure and charming is much more like it!) Anyway, sorry, Jen, >if you're out there! > > >/Scott D Stanard wrote:/ > > > Off-topic, but still an Edhead item: A friend of mine and my wife's > > from the D.C. area (originally from Delaware like me) recently wrote > > in a letter to us that she loves EFO, as I do, which thrilled me, > > because we previously had not known this about each other... So, does > > anyone here know Jen Druliner, or if she is on this list? If so, let > > her know my address (sstanard@college.dtcc.edu), and tell her we'd > > love it if she were to e-mail us! Thanks! Scott Stanard _________________________________________________________________ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee. 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