From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V7 #51 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Tuesday, March 23 2004 Volume 07 : Number 051 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: PA shows [Ellen Buckley ] Loud and Annoying People ["jen studt" ] Re: Loud and Annoying People [Scott D Stanard ] Re: Loud and Annoying People [Scott D Stanard ] Re: Loud and Annoying People [Kerry Frey ] Re: Loud and Annoying People [Lonnie ] Re: Loud and Annoying People [Paul Sabourin ] Re: Loud and Annoying People ["Jennifer Kirkby" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:00:48 -0500 From: Ellen Buckley Subject: Re: PA shows On Tuesday, March 23, 2004, at 11:20 AM, Paul Sabourin wrote: > Don't mean to alienate hippies; speaking as a performer myself, some of > my favorite fans are hippies. :-) But there's a sociopathy > (sociopathology?) on the part of the "I'm dancing right here right now > and I don't care if it's bothering anyone or appropriate to the venue" > people that is no different or less destructive than that of a drunken > heckler. And as one of the aforedescribed hippie-types, I would like to point out what you all already know-- not all hippies would do this, and this behavior is by no means limited to hippies. ;) I've even been at several shows where someone in the crowd-- inevitably someone RIGHT UP FRONT who really wants the band to notice them in their cool hat-- is wearing a ginormous hat (think "cat in the hat" or "sombrero"). The bottom line is common courtesy, and unfortunately, not everyone out there Gets It. I'm amazed at how often I see people at shows displaying behavior that makes me want to whap them upside the head and say, "didn't yo mama teach you no manners?" peace, ellen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:08:09 +0000 From: "jen studt" Subject: Loud and Annoying People And though I am hesitant to label myself as one of the aforedescribed drunk-types, I would like to point out that not everyone who drinks or even gets drunk at a show makes an "ass out of themselves" or becomes a "heckler" or talks on the top of their lungs to their friends. Some people like to drink at shows - I mean, you should have seen the good ol' Bad Habits days, where let's just say that it wasn't always just the audience throwing back a few. I don't think all the drunks or all the hippies can fall into any category, particularly such a negative one. I hate when anyone ruins a show for me, be it a smaller EFO show or a Springsteen stadium show. In fact, my biggest pet peeve is people who shout things to the performers in between songs, trying to engage the performer in a dialoge or jsut trying to get attention. (And it's even worse when the performers acknowledge them (I'm talkin about you, Shawn Colvin!), because it just encourages other audience members to do it too!) But I also don't like stereotypes. I agree with Ellen, it's a courtesy thing, or maybe it's just that some people don't get out much, and when they do they don'thave a clue how the rest of society acts in public. Cheers! Jen Ellen wrote!: >And as one of the aforedescribed hippie-types, I would like to point out >what you all already know-- not all hippies would do this, and this >behavior is by no means limited to hippies. ;) I've even been at several >shows where someone in the crowd-- inevitably someone RIGHT UP FRONT who >really wants the band to notice them in their cool hat-- is wearing a >ginormous hat (think "cat in the hat" or "sombrero"). > >The bottom line is common courtesy, and unfortunately, not everyone out >there Gets It. I'm amazed at how often I see people at shows displaying >behavior that makes me want to whap them upside the head and say, "didn't >yo mama teach you no manners?" > >peace, >ellen _________________________________________________________________ Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! (Limited-time offer) http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:44:00 -0500 From: Scott D Stanard Subject: Re: Loud and Annoying People Off-topic, but still an Edhead item: A friend of mine and my wife's from the D.C. area (originally from Delaware like me) recently wrote in a letter to us that she loves EFO, as I do, which thrilled me, because we previously had not known this about each other... So, does anyone here know Jen Druliner, or if she is on this list? If so, let her know my address (sstanard@college.dtcc.edu), and tell her we'd love it if she were to e-mail us! Thanks! Scott Stanard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:49:24 -0500 From: Scott D Stanard Subject: Re: Loud and Annoying People Boy, THAT looks bad... I just realized I tagged on to the "Re:"-line above: "Loud and Annoying People"... For the record: Jen is anything BUT loud OR annoying. <*sheepish grin*> (demure and charming is much more like it!) Anyway, sorry, Jen, if you're out there! /Scott D Stanard wrote:/ > Off-topic, but still an Edhead item: A friend of mine and my wife's > from the D.C. area (originally from Delaware like me) recently wrote > in a letter to us that she loves EFO, as I do, which thrilled me, > because we previously had not known this about each other... So, does > anyone here know Jen Druliner, or if she is on this list? If so, let > her know my address (sstanard@college.dtcc.edu), and tell her we'd > love it if she were to e-mail us! Thanks! Scott Stanard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:01:17 -0800 From: Kerry Frey Subject: Re: Loud and Annoying People Wait - are you suggesting that any members of efo consume alcohol? ;) Kerry, who wishes he had stock in Grand Marnier and saw many edheads consume much alcohol on the last couple cruises. jen studt wrote: > And though I am hesitant to label myself as one of the aforedescribed > drunk-types, I would like to point out that not everyone who drinks or > even gets drunk at a show makes an "ass out of themselves" or becomes > a "heckler" or talks on the top of their lungs to their friends. Some > people like to drink at shows - I mean, you should have seen the good > ol' Bad Habits days, where let's just say that it wasn't always just > the audience throwing back a few. > > I don't think all the drunks or all the hippies can fall into any > category, particularly such a negative one. I hate when anyone ruins > a show for me, be it a smaller EFO show or a Springsteen stadium > show. In fact, my biggest pet peeve is people who shout things to the > performers in between songs, trying to engage the performer in a > dialoge or jsut trying to get attention. (And it's even worse when > the performers acknowledge them (I'm talkin about you, Shawn Colvin!), > because it just encourages other audience members to do it too!) But I > also don't like stereotypes. I agree with Ellen, it's a courtesy > thing, or maybe it's just that some people don't get out much, and > when they do they don'thave a clue how the rest of society acts in > public. > > Cheers! > > Jen > > Ellen wrote!: > >> And as one of the aforedescribed hippie-types, I would like to point >> out what you all already know-- not all hippies would do this, and >> this behavior is by no means limited to hippies. ;) I've even been >> at several shows where someone in the crowd-- inevitably someone >> RIGHT UP FRONT who really wants the band to notice them in their cool >> hat-- is wearing a ginormous hat (think "cat in the hat" or "sombrero"). >> >> The bottom line is common courtesy, and unfortunately, not everyone >> out there Gets It. I'm amazed at how often I see people at shows >> displaying behavior that makes me want to whap them upside the head >> and say, "didn't yo mama teach you no manners?" >> >> peace, >> ellen > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get reliable access on MSN 9 Dial-up. 3 months for the price of 1! > (Limited-time offer) > http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:55:43 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Lonnie Subject: Re: Loud and Annoying People As a hippie who loves to drink, I agree, we aren't all completely obnoxious, but a little obnoxiousness is good for people to be exposed to, you're in public after all, not on your couch :-) Talking over the musicians is rude, but if I sit in the lawn somewhere, I do expect it to some degree, hopefully it's quiet. As for the earlier post, go ahead and talk over Oh My Brother, or any of the gospel crap for that matter, you won't bother me, that's when I make beer runs. :-) More annoying than some of these things are people who tell you to sit down when you are dancing to the band. I'm fairly sure that's why they play :) - -----Original Message----- From: jen studt (replying to many others, some very whiny) And though I am hesitant to label myself as one of the aforedescribed drunk-types, I would like to point out that not everyone who drinks or even gets drunk at a show makes an "ass out of themselves" or becomes a "heckler" or talks on the top of their lungs to their friends. Some people like to drink at shows - I mean, you should have seen the good ol' Bad Habits days, where let's just say that it wasn't always just the audience throwing back a few. I don't think all the drunks or all the hippies can fall into any category, particularly such a negative one. I hate when anyone ruins a show for me, be it a smaller EFO show or a Springsteen stadium show. In fact, my biggest pet peeve is people who shout things to the performers in between songs, trying to engage the performer in a dialoge or jsut trying to get attention. (And it's even worse when the performers acknowledge them (I'm talkin about you, Shawn Colvin!), because it just encourages other audience members to do it too!) But I also don't like stereotypes. I agree with Ellen, it's a courtesy thing, or maybe it's just that some people don't get out much, and when they do they don'thave a clue how the rest of society acts in public. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:55:59 -0500 From: Paul Sabourin Subject: Re: Loud and Annoying People Oh, you hippies; how you love to tweak us squares! As my sarcasm meter is in the shop, I'm not sure how much salt to take Lonnie's post with, but just to cover my own arse...I certainly didn't mean to imply that all hippies and drunks--or even many hippies and drunks--are obnoxious and/or ruin shows and/or are responsible for the downfall of civilization. Indeed, a roomful of drunks can be a wonderful thing, given the right circumstances. (DVN's last show at Luther's Blues in Madison, WI was a sublime example, if any of you happened to be there) And if I'm at an outdoor festival, or a stand-up rock club, then I have an extreme tolerance for all kinds of behavior. But if I'm at a theater, and I've paid $20 or $30 for my seat, and some idiot starts dancing around directly in my sightline (and it's not an "everybody's getting up and dancing" kind of moment), or some drunk keeps jabbering loudly to his/her friend in the row behind me during the slow stuff, then go ahead and call me whiny, but I'll have a problem with it. But while you're up getting that beer, could you pick me up a coke? Paul, middle-class minivan-driving sellout. P.S. I have always wanted to see a theater full of hippies at a Wiggles concert. That would be like some sort of incredible harmonic convergence. At 03:55 PM 3/23/2004 -0500, Lonnie wrote: As a hippie who loves to drink, I agree, we aren't all completely obnoxious, but a little obnoxiousness is good for people to be exposed to, you're in public after all, not on your couch :-) Talking over the musicians is rude, but if I sit in the lawn somewhere, I do expect it to some degree, hopefully it's quiet. As for the earlier post, go ahead and talk over Oh My Brother, or any of the gospel crap for that matter, you won't bother me, that's when I make beer runs. :-) More annoying than some of these things are people who tell you to sit down when you are dancing to the band. I'm fairly sure that's why they play :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:29:05 -0500 From: "Jennifer Kirkby" Subject: Re: Loud and Annoying People I bet Lonnie thinks obnoxiousness is good for other people but is the first to be "offended" when something happens to her by a rude, obnoxious person. I paid my money to see the band I don't think I need to have my evening ruined because - obnoxiousness is good for me. There are plenty of people out there that will be jerks for free. As a hippie who loves to drink, I agree, we aren't all completely obnoxious, but a little obnoxiousness is good for people to be exposed to, you're in public after all, not on your couch :-) Talking over the musicians is rude, but if I sit in the lawn somewhere, I do expect it to some degree, hopefully it's quiet. As for the earlier post, go ahead and talk over Oh My Brother, or any of the gospel crap for that matter, you won't bother me, that's when I make beer runs. :-) More annoying than some of these things are people who tell you to sit down when you are dancing to the band. I'm fairly sure that's why they play :) ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V7 #51 ****************************