From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V7 #50 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Tuesday, March 23 2004 Volume 07 : Number 050 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Fw: PA shows ["Jennifer Kirkby" ] RE: PA shows ["John Ryan" ] Re: PA shows ["Jim Merullo" ] Re: PA shows [Paul Sabourin ] Loud and Annoying People [johnathan vienneau ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:59:25 -0500 From: "Jennifer Kirkby" Subject: Fw: PA shows I also think it is rude for people to sing loudly at a concert. My husband and I saw EFO at The Gray Eagle Tavern in Asheville, North Carolina last Aug/Sept/Oct (one of those months!) and there was a guy in front of us that was STOMPING his feet off key to the music and singing badly. He also had some drugged up hippie chick with him that was doing all these weird and stupid interpretive dances. It was hard to concentrate on the performance we paid money for and besides that it was difficult to see when the only TWO people in the place that were standing are right in front of you and when people would tell them to sit down they would sit for all of five minutes and then would be back up being idiots. It was as if they thought we had all left and went home in a five minute span. It is disappointing when drunks and idiots ruin it for the rest of the people in the crowd. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek" To: Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: PA shows What Julie didn't mention in the most recent update to "News" on the EFOhio site was the small group of very rude, very loud and, in one case, very drunk people in the back at the Pittsburgh show who did their best to ruin the show for others by conversing very loudly and/or singing along with the songs they knew at the top of their lungs. Perhaps Julie couldn't hear them from the front. I suspect most of the rest of us could. So here are two ethical questions for Edheads to consider: 1) Most of us do not sing as well as Julie, Robbie, Mike, or Eddie (maybe Bob too, though I haven't heard him sing) and even if we do isn't it rude to sing along very loudly while others are trying to listen to the performers? 2) Under such circumstances in the future would it be wrong for the Faithful to rise up and launch such unappreciative and inconsiderate individuals out the nearest window or door into the street? I welcome your comments. I am not actually a violent or dangerous person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:34:53 -0500 From: "John Ryan" Subject: RE: PA shows Depends on the song. If it's an upbeat hit song like Stupid American, Old Dominion, or Eddie's Concubine, and there are a number of others singing along with you, it's just fine. If it's a slower, softer song, you should definitely tone it down a lot. Sometimes you just can't fight the crowd. I've been to Guster shows and Great Big Sea shows where the entire crowd is singing along loudly, so you just can't fight that. But hey, if you're the only one singing loudly, have some modesty and shut up! >From: Derek >Reply-To: Derek >To: edheads@efohio.com >Subject: PA shows >Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 18:30:46 -0500 (GMT-05:00) > >What Julie didn't mention in the most recent update to "News" on the EFOhio >site was the small group of very rude, very loud and, in one case, very >drunk people in the back at the Pittsburgh show who did their best to ruin >the show for others by conversing very loudly and/or singing along with the >songs they knew at the top of their lungs. Perhaps Julie couldn't hear >them from the front. I suspect most of the rest of us could. So here are >two ethical questions for Edheads to consider: > >1) Most of us do not sing as well as Julie, Robbie, Mike, or Eddie (maybe >Bob too, though I haven't heard him sing) and even if we do isn't it rude >to sing along very loudly while others are trying to listen to the >performers? > >2) Under such circumstances in the future would it be wrong for the >Faithful to rise up and launch such unappreciative and inconsiderate >individuals out the nearest window or door into the street? > >I welcome your comments. I am not actually a violent or dangerous person. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar  get it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:42:22 -0500 From: "Jim Merullo" Subject: Re: PA shows >It is disappointing when > drunks and idiots ruin it for the rest of the people in the crowd. Yes! Last time I saw them at the Somerville Theater, it was later on in the show and everyone was sitting down, just enjoying the music. This one guy and his girlfriend stood up and started dancing the hippie dance. (I have no idea what it's called, but it is the universal dance of rhythm-less hippies everywhere, the one where they pretend they're a squid on Quaaludes) Now, were this a Phish concert, or even an EFO concert at a place where people were standing up, I would have no problem with it. Or even if the majority of the folks in the theater were standing up dancing, that would be ok too. I'm all for people getting into the music. There were many songs, especially at the beginning of the show, where the whole theater was dancing. But it was later in the evening and most people were sitting down. A *lot* of people politely asked these people to sit down, as they were blocking the view of everyone behind them. This was a theater with small seats and not the best visibility in the balcony. Instead of sitting down, the guy turned to everyone and told them to "get up and dance." Well, it was obvious nobody felt the need to dance at that point, yet these jerks would *not* sit down no matter how many people asked them to. It's one thing to enjoy yourself but not at the expense of everyone else. Ok, that's my rant for the day. I have better seats for this Saturday's show. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Kirkby" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:59 AM Subject: Fw: PA shows > I also think it is rude for people to sing loudly at a concert. My husband > and I saw EFO at The Gray Eagle Tavern in Asheville, North Carolina last > Aug/Sept/Oct (one of those months!) and there was a guy in front of us that > was STOMPING his feet off key to the music and singing badly. He also had > some drugged up hippie chick with him that was doing all these weird and > stupid interpretive dances. It was hard to concentrate on the performance > we paid money for and besides that it was difficult to see when the only TWO > people in the place that were standing are right in front of you and when > people would tell them to sit down they would sit for all of five minutes > and then would be back up being idiots. It was as if they thought we had > all left and went home in a five minute span. It is disappointing when > drunks and idiots ruin it for the rest of the people in the crowd. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Derek" > To: > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 6:30 PM > Subject: PA shows > > > What Julie didn't mention in the most recent update to "News" on the EFOhio > site was the small group of very rude, very loud and, in one case, very > drunk people in the back at the Pittsburgh show who did their best to ruin > the show for others by conversing very loudly and/or singing along with the > songs they knew at the top of their lungs. Perhaps Julie couldn't hear them > from the front. I suspect most of the rest of us could. So here are two > ethical questions for Edheads to consider: > > 1) Most of us do not sing as well as Julie, Robbie, Mike, or Eddie (maybe > Bob too, though I haven't heard him sing) and even if we do isn't it rude to > sing along very loudly while others are trying to listen to the performers? > > 2) Under such circumstances in the future would it be wrong for the > Faithful to rise up and launch such unappreciative and inconsiderate > individuals out the nearest window or door into the street? > > I welcome your comments. I am not actually a violent or dangerous person. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:20:39 -0500 From: Paul Sabourin Subject: Re: PA shows Ugh...you have my deepest sympathies, Jim. The least they could have done was move over to where they weren't blocking other folks' view. At a theater show, this is inexcusable. Can I say that I lump these type of people with the "loud drunk talkers at the bar" at club shows? The latter folks are generally not into the show, and as a result affect other people's experience; the former achieve the same result be being *too* into the show. I am never one to dance at any concert (as I am painfully white, self-conscious, and don't do substances), but I fully respect everyone's privilege to enjoy a show in their own way; but their "right" ceases at the point where it adversely affects another person's enjoyment of said show. It's one thing to be momentarily distracted by the funny hippies swatting imaginary butterflies over on the side of the room; it's another to have them blocking your view. It would seem they were in such a state (however it was achieved) that they believed their enjoyment of the show superseded anyone else's, and that's just sad. Don't mean to alienate hippies; speaking as a performer myself, some of my favorite fans are hippies. :-) But there's a sociopathy (sociopathology?) on the part of the "I'm dancing right here right now and I don't care if it's bothering anyone or appropriate to the venue" people that is no different or less destructive than that of a drunken heckler. Trust me, if you were to ask any heckler after a show (and I have done so), very few would believe that they were ruining others' enjoyment of the show or intentionally trying to do so; they were "just trying to have a good time," or being "really into it." Love the sentiment; just hate the judgement. So please, dance if you feel you must; just dance responsibly. Sorry 'bout the rant. Just a little pet peeve of mine. I'd take a chill pill, but like I said, I don't do substances. Paul. Last time I saw them at the Somerville Theater, it was later on in the show and everyone was sitting down, just enjoying the music. This one guy and his girlfriend stood up and started dancing the hippie dance. (I have no idea what it's called, but it is the universal dance of rhythm-less hippies everywhere, the one where they pretend they're a squid on Quaaludes) Now, were this a Phish concert, or even an EFO concert at a place where people were standing up, I would have no problem with it. Or even if the majority of the folks in the theater were standing up dancing, that would be ok too. I'm all for people getting into the music. There were many songs, especially at the beginning of the show, where the whole theater was dancing. But it was later in the evening and most people were sitting down. A *lot* of people politely asked these people to sit down, as they were blocking the view of everyone behind them. This was a theater with small seats and not the best visibility in the balcony. Instead of sitting down, the guy turned to everyone and told them to "get up and dance." Well, it was obvious nobody felt the need to dance at that point, yet these jerks would *not* sit down no matter how many people asked them to. It's one thing to enjoy yourself but not at the expense of everyone else. Ok, that's my rant for the day. I have better seats for this Saturday's show. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 08:38:37 -0800 (PST) From: johnathan vienneau Subject: Loud and Annoying People Myself and several Edheads experienced the same behavior at a Troy, NY show last year. Then again the following night at a Rochester Show. I complained about them both extensively on this list. Some of you might remember. And my attitude remains the same... If you want to get screaming drunk and make a total ass of yourself, go to a Puddle of Mud concert, or Metallica, or someplace where that type of behavior is deemed appropriate. It's just not acceptable at an E.F.O. concert. In certain venues, I can see kicking it up a notch with E.F.O. is applicable, and I'm not saying crowd participation is a bad thing. Talking at the top of your lungs with your drunken friends during "Oh My Brother" is not only unacceptable, but straight-up rude to the band. I'm for any Edhead telling noisy people who are being disturbing during an E.F.O. concert to "Please be quiet". If that doesn't work, I agree with Derek, and we'll just throw them out the window. No one wants to confront a bunch of drunk people, as we know how some of them can react. But if any of them should get out of line, I'll be there to back you up, provided I wasn't the one to ask them to keep their trap shut in the first place. In the future, I hope all Edheads band together to put an end to this ridiculous behavior. -Walleye PS- And to those of you who e-mailed me off-list thanking me for telling those drunk folks at the Troy, NY concert to "please keep it down", your welcome : ). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V7 #50 ****************************