From: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com (edheads-digest) To: edheads-digest@smoe.org Subject: edheads-digest V6 #133 Reply-To: edheads@efohio.com Sender: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Errors-To: owner-edheads-digest@efohio.com Precedence: bulk edheads-digest Sunday, August 3 2003 Volume 06 : Number 133 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: ASL question ["Ron Rosen" ] Re: ASL question [Mark Lindeman ] Re: ASL question ["Ron Rosen" ] Re: ASL question ["photomonk@earthlink.net" ] Re: ASL question ["Ron Rosen" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 07:57:10 -0700 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: ASL question > Nobody's asked yet, so I will. Did EFO's ASL interpreter rock or what? > > It seemed to me like she used her whole body to speak, not just her hands. A lot of the time what she was doing looked more like dancing than signing. She's also an EFO fan, or at least had done her homework on the songs, because she was doing an ASL simulcast, not listening to the words and then translating. And she cracked Robbie right up with the ASL version of "privates" and "rack". I noticed that several (or most) (or all) of the ASL interpreters rocked. I thought that they must go through the lyrics beforehand to familiarize themselves with the songs because it might be difficult for them to even understand/hear all the lyrics if they're just hearing a song for the first time. Did any of you catch the little girl or about 9 at the Family Stage who was also doing ASL, I think it was for the Kennedys. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2003 12:19:10 -0400 From: Mark Lindeman Subject: Re: ASL question Ron and all, Falcon Ridge's ASL interpreters have been blowing me away for years. The privates/rack moment reminded me of several y-- oh, wow, make that nine years ago (yeesh!) when Camille West was playing her song, "Ladies Against Fanny Floss," about absurdly skimpy bathing suits ("And I'm asking you, Fashion Avenue, for a little more support!"). Dave McCloskey's depiction of "support" brought the house down. And Jody Gill is insanely great, too - -- not to disparage any of the other interpreters, these are just the ones I've been admiring the longest. (Now that the festival is so much bigger, and I'm too tired and brittle to brave the thick of the tarp rush, it's harder to see the nuances, at least at the main stage.) >Did any of you catch the little girl or about 9 at the Family Stage >who was also doing ASL, I think it was for the Kennedys. Yeah, that was really interesting. One of the Kennedys (I think Maura) introduced her in passing. She wasn't signing the whole time, but when she did, she looked pretty sharp -- and it looked like she was watching the adult interpreter (Dave, I think) closely to make sure she didn't miss a trick. (Our kids have pretty much grown up at Falcon Ridge, so they were pretty happy to score posters signed by the Kennedys with the inscription, "Thanks for singing and playing with us." For those of you who missed the set, the Kennedys invite kids up on stage to play air guitar -- and then a bunch of them get to do three-word vocal solos on "Life Is Large.") Mark Lindeman ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:41:08 -0700 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: ASL question > Fashion Avenue, for a little more support!"). Dave McCloskey's depiction > of "support" brought the house down. And Jody Gill is insanely great, too > -- not to disparage any of the other interpreters, these are just the ones > I've been admiring the longest. Yes, it seemed to me that there is a certain amount of interpretation that the signers add that is probably not strict ASL. It looks like there's a lot of body language and free-lance involved. Maybe that's just the way ASL is spoken. > Yeah, that was really interesting. One of the Kennedys (I think Maura) > introduced her in passing. She wasn't signing the whole time, but when she > did, she looked pretty sharp -- and it looked like she was watching the > adult interpreter (Dave, I think) closely to make sure she didn't miss a > trick. (Our kids have pretty much grown up at Falcon Ridge, so they were > pretty happy to score posters signed by the Kennedys with the inscription, > "Thanks for singing and playing with us." For those of you who missed the > set, the Kennedys invite kids up on stage to play air guitar -- and then a > bunch of them get to do three-word vocal solos on "Life Is Large.") That was great the way the kids came up and mentioned things that they were lucky to have that not all kids are so lucky to have. I thought the Kennedys were one of the highlights of the Festival because they were so positive and light-hearted whenever and wherever they played, which was a lot. I thought Pete carried the Beatles thing - it seemed like he knew the guitar part for every Beatle song. Sunday night I went to the Four Brothers pizza place and was lucky enough to run into Pete and Maura there. They were obviously waiting for other people, but they were the first of their party to arrive. I told them how much I enjoyed them. I told Maura it's always fun to wonder what she's going to do with her hair. She said, ''I never know either.'' We talked about how it came about that Roger McGuinn played the Bach solo on the Life is Large recording. Pete and I compared notes on bands we saw in the 60s. We both saw the Beatles in '66. I mentioned that I'd seen the Byrds in Berkeley in 1965 and that in those days they did not know how to get their sound right when playing live. Pete said that McGuinn had told him the same thing. I was surprised to hear that Pete had been seeing shows as long as I have. He seems a lot younger than me, but he hinted that maybe he's not all that much younger. ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:52:38 -0400 From: "photomonk@earthlink.net" Subject: Re: ASL question ASL is as much conceptual as literal in how things are "translated". ASL has a different syntax than english and more than one word can share an actual sign. it's the body language and contexts given with the words that shape their "actual" meaning. body language itself shapes a word. the same "word" sign with a different facial expression will change it's meaning, either by definition or tense, or if it's a statement or question, for example. and different interpreters may have different ways of interpreting the same phrases/lines, all of which could be considered correct. i saw annie wenz ask jody how to sign a line in one of her songs. jody said "i would do it this way...". dave actually interpreted one of annie's sets, and his version of the same line was similar but had his own "twist" to it. "strict ASL" is not as strict as other languages, like english. adds to the beauty of it :-) amy p. hearing impaired with some knowledge of ASL Original Message: - ----------------- From: Ron Rosen ronsopas@earthlink.net Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:41:08 -0700 To: edheads@efohio.com Subject: Re: ASL question > Fashion Avenue, for a little more support!"). Dave McCloskey's depiction > of "support" brought the house down. And Jody Gill is insanely great, too > -- not to disparage any of the other interpreters, these are just the ones > I've been admiring the longest. Yes, it seemed to me that there is a certain amount of interpretation that the signers add that is probably not strict ASL. It looks like there's a lot of body language and free-lance involved. Maybe that's just the way ASL is spoken. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 20:18:47 -0700 From: "Ron Rosen" Subject: Re: ASL question Thanks. Interesting. And sort of what I figured. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: <> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 7:52 PM Subject: Re: ASL question > ASL is as much conceptual as literal in how things are "translated". ASL > has a different syntax than english and more than one word can share an > actual sign. it's the body language and contexts given with the words that > shape their "actual" meaning. body language itself shapes a word. the > same "word" sign with a different facial expression will change it's > meaning, either by definition or tense, or if it's a statement or question, > for example. and different interpreters may have different ways of > interpreting the same phrases/lines, all of which could be considered > correct. i saw annie wenz ask jody how to sign a line in one of her songs. > jody said "i would do it this way...". dave actually interpreted one of > annie's sets, and his version of the same line was similar but had his own > "twist" to it. "strict ASL" is not as strict as other languages, like > english. adds to the beauty of it :-) > > amy p. > hearing impaired with some knowledge of ASL > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Ron Rosen ronsopas@earthlink.net > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 11:41:08 -0700 > To: edheads@efohio.com > Subject: Re: ASL question > > > > Fashion Avenue, for a little more support!"). Dave McCloskey's depiction > > of "support" brought the house down. And Jody Gill is insanely great, too > > -- not to disparage any of the other interpreters, these are just the ones > > I've been admiring the longest. > > Yes, it seemed to me that there is a certain amount of interpretation that > the signers add that is probably not strict ASL. It looks like there's a > lot of body language and free-lance involved. Maybe that's just the way ASL > is spoken. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ End of edheads-digest V6 #133 *****************************